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Tesla vs. Car Dealers: the Lobbyist Went Down To Georgia

McGruber writes The Atlanta Journal Constitution (AJC) newspaper's Jim Galloway has an update on the behind-the-scenes battles over who can sell you a new car: "Traditional car dealers are in the midst of a legal fight to push Tesla, the fledgling California electric car company, out of Georgia. Never mind that metro Atlanta is one of the hottest markets for electric vehicles in the nation. Signs point to a parallel battle in the General Assembly. Last week, the National Automobile Dealers Association began trolling for sympathetic lawmakers. While Georgia dealers say they have "no plans" to revisit an anti-Tesla bill that failed last year, Tesla is preparing a defense. It has already hired one of the top lobbying firms in Atlanta."

The Georgia Automobile Dealers Association wields considerable influence in the state Capitol; the AJC determined that the Georgia Auto Dealers Association (GADA) had made over $600,000 in recent campaign contributions to state lawmakers. Despite those contributions, a bill to boot Tesla from Georgia mysteriously died during last year's legislative session. While no legislator would claim credit for killing the bill, Galloway noted that Lt. Gov. Casey Cagle, who presides over the Senate, drives a Nissan Leaf.

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  1. I'm shocked, SHOCKED! by JBMcB · · Score: 4, Informative

    An industry is using government regulation to stifle competition? Holy cow NO!!!
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

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    1. Re:I'm shocked, SHOCKED! by whoever57 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Or you mean an industry wanting a new entrant in to that industry to be subject to the same regulations the rest of the industry is forced to follow, right?

      You fail at reading comprehension. In this case, it is the car dealers who are trying to introduce new regulations that would disadvantage Tesla.

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    2. Re:I'm shocked, SHOCKED! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You're not seeing the issue. It's not other automakers wanting to keep Tesla out, it's the dealerships that want to keep them out. And as useless middle men always do, they are fighting hard and dirty. Just like the record companies are.

      If you don't think the bigger automakers are pulling for Tesla, you're wrong. They would love to be able to sell direct and/or put up their own retail stores. They wouldn't have to rely on, at this point completely useless and frequently scummy, middle men to sell their products.

    3. Re:I'm shocked, SHOCKED! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      many of these rules exist because of scummy tactics by the automakers long ago.

    4. Re:I'm shocked, SHOCKED! by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What? You're saying there are no independent Tesla dealers? Then it isn't even the same industry we are talking about.

      Yes it is. If Tesla prevails, other car manufacturers will move to the same direct sales model. Long ago, car dealers actually served a purpose. Today, they are just rent-seeking leeches.

    5. Re:I'm shocked, SHOCKED! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      The problem is that the independent franchise dealer model doesn't work for electric cars and the existing dealers know it. Traditional dealerships make their living on repairs/maintenance and electric cars just don't require that much of either. If existing dealers were allowed to sell Tesla they would still be pushing the gas cars for the same reasons.

    6. Re:I'm shocked, SHOCKED! by vakuona · · Score: 4, Interesting

      How exactly do dealers prevent manufacturers from setting prices? How do they force BMW and Mercedes from demanding a specific wholesale price. And if a wholesale price is high enough for BMW to not care who sells their car (as long as they take responsibility for service/maintenance) why should they care.

      Tesla doesn't want to be in a showroom where the dealer is trying to sell other cars. It would be too easy for a dealer to push people towards other cars if they believe Teslas are a hard sell. Their success does not depend on selling Teslas. It depends on selling lots of cars, and they don't necessarily care which ones they sell. Unless, of course, Tesla gives them very large inducements to sell their cars.

      Basically, they want to run a protection racket - give us large commissions/discounted wholesale prices, or your lovely electric cars won't sell.

    7. Re:I'm shocked, SHOCKED! by AaronW · · Score: 4, Informative

      There is a lot less periodic maintenance required and maintenance is far easier. The recommended maintenance is every 12K miles. The maintenance includes a wheel alignment, changing the wiper blades, cabin air filter, tire rotation, inspections and any software updates (though the car periodically allows the user to install them when they're downloaded over the air). The electric motor is lubricated for 12 years, according to one of the techs I spoke with at the factory. Many of the items that need maintenance are just not there or need less periodic maintenance. Many things can be diagnosed remotely without even having to bring the car in. My car was one of the early ones that received a defective 12v battery because the battery manufacturer decided to subcontract it out to China who subcontracted it out to Viet Nam. Tesla contacted me about replacing the battery within a couple of days of a weak battery being detected.

      Sure, you still have tires (which can be rotated or replaced just about anywhere), a cabin air filter, wiper blades, suspension, etc. but these are not the money makers. The number of moving parts is a fraction of what it is in an ICE car.On top of that, much of the maintenance is far easier since many parts are far more accessible without a big engine in the way. Even things like brake pads will last far longer on an EV. There are no spark plugs, no fuel filters, engine air filters, oil changes or belts to change. There's minimal chance of laking oil seals and no smog related work. There's no catalytic converter, oxygen sensors, fuel pumps, fuel injectors, etc to deal with. And if you do need to do something like pull the electric motor, it is a far easier process. They install the entire drive train in the Model S in under 4 minutes since it's all in a single module, including the motor, differential, inverter, rear axels, etc. Removing it is not the huge job it is in an ICE car.

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    8. Re:I'm shocked, SHOCKED! by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Funny

      Dealerships will still try to sell you on extended warranty for your Tesla, which assures you will be able to pass any future emissions tests. For 10 years or 3000 miles, whichever comes first.

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    9. Re:I'm shocked, SHOCKED! by NatasRevol · · Score: 4, Insightful

      As an American, I have no fucking clue other than they don't like competition.

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    10. Re:I'm shocked, SHOCKED! by Jeremi · · Score: 4, Informative

      That's a niche product, so there are few producers of that stuff. Why would you expect to find stock at different prices unless there's something wrong with it? They don't produce a lot of excess stock.

      It's more than just a result of being "niche" -- the same thing happens with Apple products. In order to become an authorized resaler, the stores have to sign an agreement to only sell the products at the manufacturer-specified price. It's done to prevent dealers from getting into price wars with each other, but by the same token it means that the consumer can't get a better deal by shopping around.

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    11. Re: I'm shocked, SHOCKED! by Dastardly · · Score: 5, Informative

      My Prius is 9 years 130000 miles the brakes only just recently show measurabe wear since most braking is handled by the electric motor except hard braking and under 6 mph.

  2. Lobby = Corruption by Felgior · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Lobbying, is corruption clear and simple. They should jail everybody connected to it.

    1. Re:Lobby = Corruption by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      All of us should have the right to lobby our legislators and legislatures.

      Where it's a problem is when we have these professionals and big money behind them to effectively give them a larger voice than the rest of us.

      How can one compete when you have to take time off of work to drive over, somehow get through security, and then get to talk to an intern; whereas the big money guys, get to take the actually politician out to an expensive meal, rides on their private jets and other attention getting things that are waaayyy beyond you or me?

      And then there's the human nature thing. People take rich people more seriously than regular people. Got a billion bucks? Well, just having it makes your opinion more important even no money or favors are exchanged - because we are all primates and act like it when it comes down to it; bald ape.

      And as a Georgia resident, I can assure you that our current politicians are all Hollywood Stereotypes. No one is called Boss Hogg - yet, though. You want material for a corrupt Southern Politician, come'on down here, boy!

    2. Re:Lobby = Corruption by Dcnjoe60 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Lobbying, is corruption clear and simple. They should jail everybody connected to it.

      When you do it in the US, we call it lobbying. When you do it in a foreign country, we call it bribery.

    3. Re:Lobby = Corruption by jklovanc · · Score: 4, Interesting

      How can one compete ...

      A single person can not compete but groups can and do. Groups like ACLU and AFL-CIO lobby and contribute to campaign on behalf of there members all the time. Tesla does it too.

      The thing is that lobbying is necessary as it is the only way to put alternate positions in front of the politicians.

    4. Re:Lobby = Corruption by The+New+Guy+2.0 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Lobbying is the act of telling an official how to vote by making a convincing argument.. Bribery is paying money for a vote or action.

    5. Re:Lobby = Corruption by PopeRatzo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      All of us should have the right to lobby our legislators and legislatures.

      But money should not be the controlling factor for access to those legislators and legislatures.

      If you can afford to go to those $50,000 plate campaign events, you get more access to the politicians and they listen to you more.

      Our Constitution is designed to make sure only the wealthy elite can influence government. It was designed that way in 1789 and nobody should be surprised that it's only gotten worse.

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  3. Territory protection at its finest by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So much for "free market" and "competition". Screw that old fashioned shit, let's get back to territory protection and arbitrary monopolies to screw over the custom... I mean, to protect the customer and ensure the highest possible quality.

    No, you're not encouraged to try to find out how it should increase quality and create the best product for you when a monopolist can pretty much sell you any crap and you have to buy it, lacking any options.

    Politicians? You expect politicians to do anything against that? For real? They're doing exactly the same and benefit from the same monopolizing, anti-competitive mechanisms in their area, you honestly expect them to do something against what they learned is good for them?

    Face it, we're fucked.

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  4. NADA is very powerful. by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 5, Insightful
    NADA vs Tesla battle is not really about Tesla. It is NADA vs gas car makers.

    I have friends who have worked as IT consultants in Detroit. Their inside story is that NADA is more powerful than the automakers. It is not that the auto makers are saints, but the laws governing data sharing between the dealers and the auto makers is very heavily biased in favor of dealers. Even very minor data gathering projects have to go through several layers of approval from NADA. NADA is very suspicious of the automatkers.

    There is very good reason for the strained relationship. The automakers would dearly love to ditch the dealership model of sales and go for direct sales. The auto makers believe the dealers are acting in bad faith and against the interests of the makers. Many dealerships are actually selling cars from different vendors. Even when the dealerships are nominally different they are owned by same clan or extended family in a market. They demand the automakers to cut deals with them and they are not above promoting one maker to punish another maker. The present set up is so biased in favor of the dealers, if it at all it is possible to ditch them, the auto makers will boot them in no time.

    What NADA is really afraid of is setting a precedent allowing Tesla to sell cars directly breaking their monopoly of access to auto buyers. Americans love cars. Automobile is the second most expensive thing a person buys, after home. (Slowly slipping into third place, behind college tuition). Still car buying is the most unsatisfactory part of car buying. We can thank NADA and its selfish policies for this anomaly. Once Tesla breaks the dike, so NADA believes, all automakers will sue for equal access to the market and the dealerships will be at a huge disadvantage.

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  5. $$$ == Influence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's like we're not even trying to hide anymore how bribes work in this country. Saying that the association holds influence, and then backing up that claim with exactly how much they've "donated"... Payola is still illegal, prostitution is still illegal, yet, bribing politicians is considered par for the course. Business as usual. I think it's time we called politicians in America what they are. Whores. And they will turn tricks for the measliest of sums.

  6. Re:Another State Incentive by Firethorn · · Score: 4, Informative

    In all cases I know of, they'd still get the tax revenue - you pay sales tax in the state where you first register the vehicle, not where you actually buy it.

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  7. There's a reason for the laws by Kagato · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The reason the laws existed in the first place was because at the dawn of the industry the franchise fees were used for capital by the manufactures. Without the legal protections car makers could simply run the franchisees out of business once they became big enough. To a similar extent when foreign makers moved into the USA the franchise fees helped build the infrastructure.

    Now we have a conundrum where Tesla doesn't see itself needing the dealers and is going on it's own. A large chunk of that is based on most buyers are going to be in big cities. They only need need 1 or 2 showrooms per state for the foreseeable future. They don't see the need to build out the showroom network which would require having franchisees. For Tesla the Franchisee system would certainly add another 3-4K to the cost of each car. They'll never get the model 3 to fit into the expected price range going that route.

    At the same time you can't just get rid of all the dealer protections because Ford, GM, Toyota, Honda, etc would be more than happy to cherry pick the most profitable areas for corporate dealerships. Those dealerships are owed that exclusivity because they invested in the company at the beginning. I personally don't think the dealers give a crap about selling Tesla, but they foresee the big auto makers suing to get rid of franchise laws if Tesla is allowed an exemption.