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Is 'SimCity' Homelessness a Bug Or a Feature?

sarahnaomi writes: SimCity players have discussed a variety of creative strategies for their virtual homelessness problem. They've suggested waiting for natural disasters like tornadoes to blow the vagrants away, bulldozing parks where they congregate, or creating such a woefully insufficient city infrastructure that the homeless would leave on their own.

You can read all of these proposed final solutions in Matteo Bittanti's How to Get Rid of Homelessness, "a 600-page epic split in two volumes documenting the so-called 'homeless scandal' that affected 2013's SimCity." Bittanti collected, selected, and transcribed thousands of these messages exchanged by players on publisher Electronic Arts' official forums, Reddit, and the largest online SimCity community Simtropolis, who experienced and then tried to "eradicate" the phenomenon of homelessness that "plagued" SimCity."

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  1. SimCity 2000 available for free by mcrbids · · Score: 5, Informative

    I found this one on a trip down memory lane. Runs in a DOSBox and works great on my Win7 laptop! Yes, it's ENTIRELY LEGAL. you can get the download here.

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    1. Re: SimCity 2000 available for free by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      The first versions of EA Downloader, which later became Origin, were essentially indistinguishable from malware, so the confusion is understandable.

    2. Re:SimCity 2000 available for free by kelemvor4 · · Score: 4, Informative

      How is Origin malware? What does it do that makes it malware? It does have DRM but (depending on the game) its not exactly rocket science to either remove the DRM or find an existing no-DRM crack for your purchased game.

      Origin gathers your personal information, computer information, application usage, software inventory, software usage, and peripheral hardware usage. It reports this data back to EA/Origin. You can Google about it or spend a few minutes and read your origin EULA.

    3. Re: SimCity 2000 available for free by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Steam literally asks you when they want to take a hardware or software profile.

    4. Re:SimCity 2000 available for free by cas2000 · · Score: 5, Informative

      Origin may be basically a steam-wannabe, but it's without realising that the reason steam doesn't piss people off very much is that they're not arseholes about what they do - the DRM is minimal and mostly unobtrusive, and they ASK people if they want to participate in their surveys rather than just abuse the fact that their software is installed and simply steal the information.

    5. Re:SimCity 2000 available for free by GNious · · Score: 4, Informative

      I just installed the Origin client - it specifically asked for permissions to collect statistics during the install process.

  2. Which is stupider, the book or the game? by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 4, Informative

    A limited run of 99 copies of How to get Rid of Homeless is available from Bittanti's Concrete Press via Amazon. Volume I is $150 and Volume II is $70.

    Like anyone's going to pay $220.00 for a collection of reddit posts ...

    They lost their way after SimCity 4 + Rush Hour. For aficionados of previous versions of the game, read the reviews first, it'll save you money. As for the "books", you can get the raw posts from reddit and the Simcity site.

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    1. Re:Which is stupider, the book or the game? by FlyHelicopters · · Score: 4, Informative

      No, because some people choose that life and no amount of help will make a difference.

      Here in Dallas it was tried over 10 years ago... million of dollars were spent to refurbish several old hotels and make them liveable, rooms were offered free of charge to homeless people to give them a place to get back on their feet, to give them a place to have a hot shower, give them a mailing address so they could look for work (you might find it hard to get work without an address), etc.

      After 6 months, most of them were empty, the homeless didn't want them. Probably had something to do with a requirement that in return for a FREE PLACE TO LIVE, they had to actually look for work, or attend job training.

      I kid you not, a free place to live, a working bathroom with a toilet and shower, an address to use to get back on their feet and the homeless by and large didn't want it.

    2. Re:Which is stupider, the book or the game? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      I am not sure of the difference between the two programmes, but what failed in Dallas 10 years ago seems to be working in Salt Lake City now: http://thedailyshow.cc.com/videos/lntv3q/the-homeless-homed

      Yeah, it is not the best source for news, but it is the only way I heard about it.

  3. Re:Who cares? by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 4, Informative

    That game has more problems than just the homeless population.

    So does the author:

    Bittanti says that it's impossible to distinguish between videogames and America in the same way that Jean Baudrillard thought it was impossible to distinguish between Disneyland and America. The book, he told me, is about simulation and its discontents, the unexpected convergence and collapse between reality and simulation.

    "To me video games are the so-called 'real America,'" he said. "The real America operates according to a video game logic, and that game logic is neo-liberalism, and that absolutely manifests in San Francisco, that to me is the epicenter of inequality. In San Francisco you either have a Tesla and you drink a seven dollar cappuccino or you're homeless in the streets."

    I think he's been playing games too long. SimCity's reality distortion field claims another victim, which is amazing because it's crap compared to its' predecessors.

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  4. Re:Does anyone care about SimCity2013? by Sowelu · · Score: 5, Informative

    Are...are you kidding? Cities XL is barely a game. It has some really nice features that were innovative for its time, like free-drawing roads, but a lot of its implementations are complete and utter BS. Like, you have to zone regions based on social class. Part of the challenge of SimCity is that you can't directly control that. Natural resources are garbage... the supply/demand graphs of different zones have hardly any bounce or buffer zone and your citizens move in with no intelligence at all. If you build twice as much unskilled-labor residential than you need--probably because you're trying to plan your city out early--people will SWARM in, and then whine about how there's not enough jobs. Even the very first SimCity game made people only move in if there were jobs (+/- a fudge factor). This is a really huge problem because you have to micromanage your zoning and build it a little bit at a time, rotating through all different kinds. You can't prebuild or everyone goes ballistic. Oh yeah, and road widths. God damn it, road widths. Hey great, I can upgrade this three-lane to a four-lane!...if I bulldoze everything along it, because the game cares about road width down to the foot, and you aren't allowed to build small roads with extra buffer on the side for future expansion. Dump tons of money now to build the nice roads, or you're hosed later.

    All of this leads to extremely formulaic gameplay. There's not much variation in what works, and it feels tedious to do. I spent a lot of hours trying to find the fun, on a couple different versions, and it wasn't there. Went back to SC4.

  5. You blogged as a doper and thief in Oct/Nov 2014? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    "Personally, I just don't care to contribute to a system/country that I find vomit-inducing and am pretty comfortable sleeping under a bridge."

    Yeah, so I read your blog - you were arrested for holding burglary tools and appearing to be high and when you got out the first thing you did was score some weed, got high, then at some point got some schrooms, got high, then complained about the homeless life, etc. You sir, are in my opinion, a bullshit artist and your homeless has nothing to do with solidarity; I believe it has everything to do with you being in need of some serious mental help. Of course, I'm pretty sure you won't see it that way. Please, get yourself some help, you don't have to live with substance abuse issues and you don't appear to need to be a burglar to make a living if you actually are a programmer. Good luck, man.

  6. Re:TSDR, too stupid, yes. by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 2, Informative

    Besides, south park already addressed the final solution to the homeless question:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    Basically you just entice them to move to another city.

  7. Re:Not a problem by reve_etrange · · Score: 4, Informative

    Like other countries we have people that camp on welfare because it's easier than working.

    I do agree with the substance of your post, but what do you mean by welfare? The United States doesn't really have any unconditional cash transfer programs, which is what most people think of when they hear the term "welfare." TANF for example is restricted to families with children, has a lifetime limit of 60 months of benefits for any individual and recipients must have a job within 24 months of joining the program. After doing a bunch of research on our means-tested social programs, I just don't see how it would be possible for a single, able-bodied, working-age individual to satisfy all their needs using federal transfers alone.

    I also don't think it's far to call social insurance programs "welfare." They're insurance policies operated by government, with mandatory premiums garnished from wages. You have to have paid the premiums to get the benefits.

    Where the US differs greatly is that our programs are abused at the top as well.

    Agree 100%, though I don't think the US is alone worldwide in this regard, even if it stands out among OECD members.

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  8. Re:Not a problem by AmiMoJo · · Score: 3, Informative

    San Francisco in particular has a more progressive homeless outreach program than almost any other city in the entire world

    Not really. In the EU shelter is a human right. I haven't travelled to every country, but at least in the UK and France we don't have homeless people any more. Everyone has the right to shelter - it might not be very nice shelter, but the government will put a roof over your head no matter what. It's massively reduced begging too, because no no-one has an excuse for being on the street when they could be helping themselves with government assistance.

    Having a fixed address is really important. You can't get a job without a fixed address, and somewhere to shower and shave. Plus, it keeps people off the streets and out of the criminal justice system, so it's a win for everyone.

    I'm sure San Fran is doing better than most US cities, but the US is so far behind Europe to start with... You can't really make that claim.

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