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Man Saves Wife's Sight By 3D Printing Her Tumor

An anonymous reader writes: Michael Balzer, a former software engineer and Air Force technical instructor, found himself unsatisfied with a doctor's diagnosis of a small tumor behind his wife's left eye. Balzer had recently become proficient at creating 3D models, so he asked the doctor for the raw medical imaging data and took a look himself. In addition to correcting a later misdiagnosis, Balzer 3D printed models of his wife's cranium and helped neurosurgeons plan a procedure to remove the tumor, instead of waiting to see how it developed, like previous doctors had recommended. During the procedure, surgeons found the tumor was beginning to entangle her optic nerve, and even a six-month wait would have had dire consequences for her eyesight.

Medical researchers like Dr. Michael Patton believe this sort of prototyping will become "the new normal" in a very short time. He says, "What you can now do through 3D printing is like what you're able to do in the software world: Rapid iteration, fail fast, get something to market quickly. You can print the prototypes, and then you can print out model organs on which to test the products. You can potentially obviate the need for some animal studies, and you can do this proof of concept before extensive patient trials are conducted.

164 comments

  1. This could be fun.... by ColdWetDog · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Most medical imaging equipment will dump out a DICOM file, which, IIRC, can be translated into the more typical 3D formats. So pretty much everybody that gets a CT or MRI could get the data. Then you just have to set up the printer.

    I could see this as a growth industry for hospitals (hey, we need the money) - instead of getting some miserable little CD with your image, you get a plastic skeleton (or plastic squishy part). Coffee table discussion item or new D&D figurine?

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    1. Re:This could be fun.... by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 4, Funny

      Fun and tasty! There's already a company that will turn your raw CT scans into a 3d model of your brain... printed in chocolate.

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    2. Re:This could be fun.... by Lumpy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And knowing the medical industry, you will be charged $5500 for the printing and $9100 for the "medical 3d modeling specialist" that stands there watching it print.

      And the 3D printer will have to be FDA approved and cost well over 22 million dollars.

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    3. Re:This could be fun.... by operagost · · Score: 2

      May you always roll a natural 20 on your saving throw.

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    4. Re:This could be fun.... by ColdWetDog · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And the 3D printer will have to be FDA approved and cost well over 22 million dollars.

      Not quite... Since it's not actually PART of the imager itself, it needn't be FDA approved. However, if it were .... yes. We had a generic hard drive fail on our CT. Just a typicall 400 GB SATA drive. We had literally dozens of them hanging around but we couldn't use it because they were not special FDA approved generic SATA hard drives. No special firmware needed - the console for the CT runs a GE version of Linux (you can see this as it boots). All the drive did was hold the images temporarily. It couldn't kill the patient unless you threw it at them. But we had to shut the machine down for 48 hours until they could FexEx a drive to Anchorage and commercial jet it in.

      So, we'd probably only charge $2000 for the gizmo (the specialist time would be included since they are not a doctor - you can only add special charges for doctors).

      See, you feel better already.

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    5. Re:This could be fun.... by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 1

      I don't know if it is routine; but I think that it isn't all that uncommon for 3d prints to be used, pre-surgery, by the surgical team to 'rehearse' the planned operation, entry, exit, important blood vessels, etc. Even where it isn't used, if medical imaging equipment that provides a 3d model was used, they'll pull the model up on screen and examine it both for diagnostic purposes and as a planning aid for chopping their way in and making the necessary repairs without too many unpleasant surprises, unnecessary scars, and so on.

      While it's cool that this guy took the job on himself, and ended up getting much better results, this story seems to be, at least in part, "How at least one radiologist fucked it up, and the guy who luckily second guessed him."

    6. Re:This could be fun.... by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 1

      It is not clear to me the benefit of a 3D printed model versus a 3D visual model displayed on a 3D screen. The latter would seem more flexible to use for analysis. I can see how the physical model would possibly benefit surgical rehearsal.

    7. Re:This could be fun.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As someone who works in healthcare on the IT side, while I'm all for aggressive integration of technology in this arena, we simply can't implement this sort of thing. We have barely the personnel to keep things running, and pushing ahead with projects. They've gone so far as to authorize overtime for everyone in IT, despite salary. Guys are working 6 days a week for weeks on end. Granted they volunteering, but this is honestly how you burn yourself out. Also, the overtime work, isn't exactly the same as what the day to day stuff is, so it isn't like it's more of the same. Clearly the directors want things done, and are throwing money at the problem, but it really does seem like we don't want to have the numbers of peopl eto push ahead like they want. So what you have, is a group who are putting in 50-70 hours a week, rather than say a 2nd shift of personnel at 20-40 hours a week covering what is being done in the overtime.

      Add new technology scenarios like the headline into this, and it's honestly, too much for a group just getting by. They're having a hard enough time finding people to fill vacancies. Introduce positions requiring or needing cutting edge stuff like 3D printing into existing environments, while might not look like a big leap, most certainly is from an implementation and support front.

    8. Re:This could be fun.... by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 1

      How does the FDA draw the line between 'must be approved' and 'not our problem' for devices that connect to a greater or lesser degree to other equipment?

      I assume that the HDD was drawn in because it was unlucky enough to be an internal part; but with, say, something like this unit, which can burn CDs, transfer to USB devices, or connect to an ethernet network, do you need magic FDA CD-R blanks and flash drives, or is it just things considered 'integral' to the system(even if logically speaking they are no more or less important than something non-integral) that fall under certification requirements?

    9. Re:This could be fun.... by Penguinisto · · Score: 4, Funny

      Cool - now can they turn a skull MRI of some guy I dislike, and turn it into a goblet?

      *That* would be hilarious (okay, maybe I'm really odd for wanting to drink from the skulls of my enemies, even if only on a semi-metaphorical level, but...)

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    10. Re:This could be fun.... by eclectro · · Score: 5, Informative

      I could see this as a growth industry for hospitals (hey, we need the money)

      Not really, according to 60 minutes. Hospitals have no problem getting money. They're rolling in the dough and can afford to pay their CEOs millions of dollars. So called non-profit hospitals mark up prices many times. Really, don't fool yourself with a statement like that.

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    11. Re:This could be fun.... by Penguinisto · · Score: 2

      I can see the benefit: It's one thing to use virtual 'hands' with a 3D mesh on a two-dimensional screen, but if you're the guy who has to get in there with your hands and actually do the job? A couple of practice runs on a tactile 3D model of the real thing would make the job a hell of a lot easier when it comes time to actually do it.

      If I were the patient, and it were the inside of my skull that they were getting all handsy with, I'd damned well insist on it.

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    12. Re:This could be fun.... by TheCarp · · Score: 2

      Often I think it comes less down to the FDA and more to the interpretation. If you are a hospital using a device that comes with a certification from a vendor saying that you have to buy their drives to maintain certification, a few hundred bucks extra isn't worth the risk of it not being a bluff.

      When I was working for a hospital we had a box running an ancient version of rhel (AS 2.1 if I remember) that the vendor swore could not be upgraded or security patched because of fda certs. What did we do? We made an exception.

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    13. Re:This could be fun.... by flink · · Score: 2

      How does the FDA draw the line between 'must be approved' and 'not our problem' for devices that connect to a greater or lesser degree to other equipment?

      I can only speak to IT software since I am a software developer, but I worked for many years in the field writing both practice management (scheduling, claims processing, etc) and clinical (IHEs, patient records, RX) software. The way it worked at the time is that you basically told the FDA if you wanted to be regulated. i.e. it was up to the company to say: yes, this software constitutes a medical device and should be regulated.

    14. Re:This could be fun.... by vux984 · · Score: 2

      How does the FDA draw the line between 'must be approved' and 'not our problem' for devices that connect to a greater or lesser degree to other equipment?

      The FDA itself, believe it or not, is actually pretty reasonable on that specific issue.

      For example:

      do you need magic FDA CD-R blanks and flash drives

      If the device specifications that the vendor wrote and documented and validated, specified a specific brand and model of CD-R blank as being validated. Then you need that brand and model of CD-R blank to be valid.

      If the device specifications specify that the saving of images to the disk doesn't impact patient safety, and any CD that supports the CD-RW standard xyz will work, then you can use anything suitable.

      Unfortunately the manufacturers too often just take the path of least resistance; and assume the safest most conservative position; all under the advice of their lawyers and FDA consultants. It doesn't hurt that it creates a revenue stream being able to supply that particular model at an inflated price.

    15. Re:This could be fun.... by davester666 · · Score: 1

      By "the new normal", they mean giving the raw files to the person who's sick and say "here, fix the problem yourself. you can't afford to have us do it."

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    16. Re:This could be fun.... by Stan92057 · · Score: 1

      2000 being 1900 over priced. No You fell better, we however live in/with reality. Vastly over priced medical procedures, devices.

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    17. Re:This could be fun.... by hawguy · · Score: 3, Interesting

      And the 3D printer will have to be FDA approved and cost well over 22 million dollars.

      Not quite... Since it's not actually PART of the imager itself, it needn't be FDA approved. However, if it were .... yes. We had a generic hard drive fail on our CT. Just a typicall 400 GB SATA drive. We had literally dozens of them hanging around but we couldn't use it because they were not special FDA approved generic SATA hard drives. No special firmware needed - the console for the CT runs a GE version of Linux (you can see this as it boots). All the drive did was hold the images temporarily. It couldn't kill the patient unless you threw it at them. But we had to shut the machine down for 48 hours until they could FexEx a drive to Anchorage and commercial jet it in.

      So, we'd probably only charge $2000 for the gizmo (the specialist time would be included since they are not a doctor - you can only add special charges for doctors).

      See, you feel better already.

      If physicians are using the 3D printed model to plan their surgery, how could it not require approval? If the printer sometimes misprints by a mm that could make the difference between a successful surgery and accidentally severing an important nerve, so it seems that the manufacturer would need to test and certify a printer to ensure that it creates accurate models, otherwise they have no assurance that whatever cheap 3D printer the hospital buys at Walmart prints accurately with their software.

      The FDA regulates computer monitors used to view medical imaging, so I don't see why they wouldn't regulate 3D printers used to "print" that same imaging data.

    18. Re: This could be fun.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Our 3d printer must suck, it's monocolor, hard plastic.

    19. Re:This could be fun.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Brain? Uh huh.

    20. Re:This could be fun.... by Rei · · Score: 1

      If you can find him while he's sleeping, you can make a goblet out of his head without having to make him get a scan.

      1) Install "123D Make" on your cell phone
      2) Take as many pics as you can from as many angles as you can with the sound off (up to 70) and wait for it to process (and hope it processes well... photogrammetry still isn't a mature tech)
      3) If it works well then download the 3d model it produces.
      4) Open it in a 3d modeller
      5) Fill in any gaps
      6) Replace the area that you couldn't image (the back of the head, presumably, assuming he was lying on his back) with someone else's
      7) Cut the top off his head and apply a solidify/thickness modifier to turn it into a goblet
      8) Upload it to anywhere that prints ceramic (for example iMaterialize not only can print in ceramic, but can even print ceramic in color).
      9) Wait a bit for printing and delivery
      10) Enjoy!

      Bit by bit, the world is becoming an awesome place. ;)

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    21. Re:This could be fun.... by cusco · · Score: 1

      It doesn't hurt that it creates a revenue stream being able to supply that particular model at an inflated price.

      I think that is really the reason for it. Computer manufacturers are notorious for this. We had a critical server down with a failed network card. Compaq tech looked inside, said "That's not a Compaq-brand hard drive in bay 3, I can't touch this machine. Take it out and generate another service call." Three hours later he was back and replaced the NIC with a Compaq-branded card that cost three times what it should, and we were charged for both visits. Turned me off of factory warrantee service forever.

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    22. Re:This could be fun.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even better, I've got my own MRI file.
      I could do this with my own skull!

      Warning, causal loop risk detection alarm ...

    23. Re:This could be fun.... by cusco · · Score: 1

      If hospital IT departments weren't such shitholes to work in you might be better staffed. HCA is notorious for underpaying IT staff and understaffing their department. In Anchorage they insisted on paying Lower-48 salaries, with the result that the entire IT department quit the same week. If your manager won't ask to increase head count then he's in the wrong position. If he asked and got turned down then he's working for the wrong employer, as are you.

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    24. Re:This could be fun.... by cusco · · Score: 1

      Actually the 'new normal' will soon be charging for those bits. Currently the data is free only because administrators don't realize that there is any actual value to it.

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    25. Re:This could be fun.... by _xeno_ · · Score: 1

      Most medical imaging equipment will dump out a DICOM file, which, IIRC, can be translated into the more typical 3D formats.

      DICOM is a magical container format that is more than capable of storing data that no one can use.

      In the best case, it contains the imagery in an unencrypted format that everyone can read like JPEG or TIFF.

      Because it's the medical industry, it will instead contain an encrypted blob of proprietary imagery data that can only be read by a crappy Visual Basic program that the vendor supplies.

      (At least, based on my brief experience trying to get useful data out of medical devices that did provide DICOM files that were universally in some vendor-specific format. And in at least one case were actually encrypted. You could get the raw imagery data out, using the Visual Basic program.)

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    26. Re:This could be fun.... by Krishnoid · · Score: 1

      You'd probably have been able to get away with a cheaper solution if it was the FDA approved power supply that went bad.

    27. Re:This could be fun.... by plover · · Score: 3, Informative

      My wife recently went in for an ultrasound, and the machine clearly booted up Windows XP. I'm sure they can't install updates it without it being a certified upgrade, so they do nothing.

      Meanwhile, whatever hackers are finding their ways into the hospital's network probably aren't quite so fussy about the certification of their malware.

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    28. Re:This could be fun.... by DigiShaman · · Score: 1

      It would be cheaper to just print 7 times on 7 different printers. All seven ok? Sounds good, go with it.

      Whatever happened to the idea of voting logic?

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    29. Re:This could be fun.... by PRMan · · Score: 1

      hospitals (hey, we need the money)

      Seriously? You guys charge enough. What do you do? Pour the money down a drain?

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    30. Re:This could be fun.... by turning+in+circles · · Score: 1

      Just as not only one person thought of 3D printing a gun, lots of groups have had the idea to 3D print the output of medical imaging (e.g. http://depts.washington.edu/uw... and http://digm.drexel.edu/portfol...). One company has even gotten FDA medical device approval (http://3dprint.com/18577/materialise-heartprint-class-1/) and one man printed his tumor before and after chemotherapy (http://3dprint.com/14359/3d-printed-cancer-tumors-2/).

      So my point is, this is /.-worthy news?

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    31. Re:This could be fun.... by ArsenneLupin · · Score: 1, Informative
      Wouldn't it be easier to just bring a knife along, and turn this into a mere two step process:

      1. Apply knife to throat. As our Muslim brethren have shown us, even a small knife will do. You just need to make sure he's soundly asleep...
      2. Bring your new swag home, and finish the work with a spoon, then let it dry and polish

    32. Re:This could be fun.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If I eat Einsteins chocolate brain, will I become a Kinder Surprise?

    33. Re:This could be fun.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe a few of the mega hospital such as those in Manhattan, MD Anderson, and the like but take a look at the hospitals around Brooklyn, rural critical access hospitals and everybody in between as they are losing tons of money. You'll notice the ones that are making money have a higher private insurance to medicare / medicaid ratio while the poorer ones have a higher medicare / medicaid to private insurance ration. The PPACA (Obamacare) increased the number of medicare / medicaid recipients while eating away at the uninsured -- which in laymans terms means that these hospitals are now being paid pennies on the dollar for medical care when they were receiving none before. It barely makes a dent to their bottom line.

    34. Re:This could be fun.... by Smauler · · Score: 2

      "Non-profit" does not mean they're not paying their employees massive salaries, and never did. I don't know where people got the idea that non-profits had to pay their employees less.

    35. Re:This could be fun.... by hawguy · · Score: 1

      It would be cheaper to just print 7 times on 7 different printers. All seven ok? Sounds good, go with it.

      Whatever happened to the idea of voting logic?

      How do you accurately compare 7 different 3D models that may differ only in some small detail out of thousands of small details. Scan them all in a 3D scanner? If you're going to do that, then why not only print one and scan it for accuracy?

    36. Re:This could be fun.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you're a funny little shit. until that's your friend/relative sans head courtesy of some Stone Age-minded asshat. take that small knife to your small prick and spare us.

    37. Re: This could be fun.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Put all 7 in a CMM, that'll get you within a couple thousandths

    38. Re:This could be fun.... by cdrudge · · Score: 1

      To which I would have said that it's up to you, the manufacturer or it's representative, to prove that the use of an "unauthorized" hard drive caused the NIC to fail. It's just like using non-OEM parts or fluids in a car for a repair, it doesn't void the warranty if the non-OEM part didn't contribute to the failure that otherwise would have been covered.

      All this presumes that you're in the US jurisdiction and that it was an actual warranty and not just a service contract people thing are warranty. FTC information as it pertains to auto repair, but the same applies for other types of warranties.

    39. Re:This could be fun.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Coffee table discussion item or new D&D figurine?

      Why not both?!

    40. Re:This could be fun.... by dbIII · · Score: 1

      The one I saw on display in 2002 was a model of a skull of a heavily deformed child. The surgeon cut up the model and positioned the plastic "bone fragments" in places where they could be used for facial reconstruction. It took more than one attempt to develop the procedure, which was a success. As the child grew the gaps between the bone fragments filled with bone to make a complete skull and a face that does not look deformed in any way.
      Maybe the surgeon could have manipulated models on a screen for the same result, but I doubt it would have been as easy since it's a completely different skillset. Working with a physical instead of digital model appeared to be both a better simulation of the operation and easier for the person developing the procedure to manipulate.
      Maybe there are surgeons that could just as effectively rehearse on a 2D screen but that's a very different skillset to carrying out the operation. Until we get "Iron Man" style 3D representations that we can manipulate like objects we're stuck with a simulation a long way short of reality.

    41. Re:This could be fun.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh, let me fix this for you.

      Wouldn't it be easier to just bring a knife along, and turn this into a mere two step process:

      1. Apply knife to throat. As the Saudi Arabian brethren of our Big Oil Overlords have shown us, even a boxcutter will do. You don't even need to make sure he's soundly asleep if you've got the willing assistance of US politicans owned by Big Oil to strap him into a torture chair for you...
      2. Bring your new swag home, and finish the work with a spoon, then let it dry and polish.

      Surely we know by now that Muslim is not synonymous with Saudi? The 9/11 hijackers and the al-Qaeda terrorists have more in common with Texas politicians than they do with the Aga Khan. The Saudis are wahhabists, heretics... and their best buddies are from *Texas*.

    42. Re:This could be fun.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      We have these. An ultrasound is little more than a plug in these days. There are multiple software vendors that write for Windows and Mac. Some embedded *nix systems are still around too, but they are getting expensive to upgrade. Not to worry, the ultrasound computer is only a client of the hospital's system just like any other device (laptop, phone, terminal) with the same security protocols. You will see most offices these days using a laptop on a rolling trolley for convenience, but that is all it is, laptop and ultrasound wand.

    43. Re:This could be fun.... by stoatwblr · · Score: 1

      Same thing applies in the EU, even for service contracts.

    44. Re:This could be fun.... by Rakarra · · Score: 1

      "Non-profit" does not mean they're not paying their employees massive salaries, and never did. I don't know where people got the idea that non-profits had to pay their employees less.

      People confuse "non-profit" and "charity" pretty regularly, and even charities have no guarantees of reasonable salaries.

    45. Re:This could be fun.... by plover · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I wasn't worried about her safety, only that all the hospital's systems are vulnerable because they have these malware infection hosting devices rolling around on carts.

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    46. Re:This could be fun.... by MiSaunaSnob · · Score: 1

      Couldn't you just weigh them?

    47. Re:This could be fun.... by hawguy · · Score: 1

      Couldn't you just weigh them?

      I just weighed them, here's the weights: 356g, 355g, 357g, 354g, 355g, 358g, 354g.

      Tell me which one has all of the critical nerves and blood vessels in the right place.

  2. Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think it is safe to say that 3D modeling had saved her sight. Doctors could have looked at the digital model and proceeded as well.

    1. Re:Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Probably even more true to say that paying attention saved her sight. If it's possible to make a correct diagnosis from a 3D model derived from the CT scan results, it should have been perfectly possible to make the same diagnosis looking at 2D slice images of the same tumour, if not actually easier. The original doctor messed up, and a second opinion saved the day; the 3D aspect is really irrelevant.

  3. 3D models are incredibly helpful by Hadlock · · Score: 4, Informative

    I'm not a vet student, but I did spend a night helping one study the sinuses of a large animal (they split in to large animal (farm) and small animal (pet) specialties) and some of the learning materials are a little difficult to wrap your brain around, in particular how the sinuses (voids in the skull) exist inside the skull, how they connect (or don't) and simply where they are. The brain has enough trouble understanding negative spaces, even more trouble trying to conceptualize the winding, twisting 3D negative spaces you can't ever directly view without cutting apart a skull to do so. Even then doing so only gives you half the picture, and in negative space.
     
    There are some videos online showing the sinuses in "positive 3D space" but it's still only a reference (Everyone is different) so I would imagine having a 3D positive space model of a tumor you've never seen and can't see without cutting open someone's head would be incredibly helpful, especially since you can't just buy off the shelf reference material for human tumors like you can bovine sinuses.

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    1. Re:3D models are incredibly helpful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and some of the learning materials are a little difficult to wrap your brain around

      That's because you're supposed to wrap your skull bones around the sinuses, not your brain.

  4. Anyone else concerned? by JustNiz · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Is ist just me or is anyone else actually concerned that a have-a-go engineer can apparently quite easily achieve significantly bettr results than a team of so-called expert doctors in their own field?

    1. Re:Anyone else concerned? by ibpooks · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Not concerned at all, he helped them to develop and use a tool they didn't understand how to use and didn't have access to previously. It's how progress is really made. Experts from two different fields find a way to work together to solve problems that neither could solve independently.

    2. Re:Anyone else concerned? by gstoddart · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Not being constrained by traditional things, having skin in the game, and having a skillset which differs from what the doctors do -- all of these combine for him to take a whack at it in a way they'd never think of.

      If anything, this highlights how a breakthrough can come from an outsider.

      And I bet all of a sudden a lot of medical people are saying "wait, he did what?" and "where can I get one?".

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    3. Re:Anyone else concerned? by war4peace · · Score: 2

      I call it "approaching a problem without previously existing > polluting the outcome".
      Doctors have tunnel vision sometimes. They rely on past experience (be it work- or document-based) too heavily.

      With that being said, these occurrences are likely rare and a minority, statistics-wise.

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    4. Re:Anyone else concerned? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The experts of the field were most likely unaware of newer technologies that can facilitate such quick action. I'm not saying that there are not doctors out there whom are incompetent, but this isn't necessarily an example of that.

    5. Re:Anyone else concerned? by sideslash · · Score: 1

      No, not really. Software does that kind of thing a lot.

    6. Re:Anyone else concerned? by TheMeuge · · Score: 3

      Is ist just me or is anyone else actually concerned that a have-a-go engineer can apparently quite easily achieve significantly bettr results than a team of so-called expert doctors in their own field?

      RTFA please.
      The description does indeed try to imply that the above is the case. But it's far from the truth, as much as internet armchair experts would like to believe.

      The article itself appears to state that the problem was that 1) the initial advice was to wait, which after (appropriately) consulting with a number of experts they had done, and a followup showed progression. Even the first advice was not totally misplaced. Then what happened was that he suggested that the neurosurgeons basically invent a procedure specifically for him, and used 3D printing to create a model for them. The result was he did find someone willing to try (my guess is they refused the conventional approach) a less invasive procedure that removed 95% of the tumor. Now that may sound revolutionary, but neurosurgery is a tricky business, and depending on the tumor 95% may be equivalent to buying a little time while doing nothing at all, especially since they already knew that the tumor was growing aggressively. If the conventional approach would have had more of a chance of removing more of the tumor, possibly all of it with negative margins, that would be a far more definitive approach. Doctors aren't always right, but if you get a sufficiently experienced expert opinion, it'll usually reflect what is possible to do currently, with a reasonable margin of both safety and success.

    7. Re:Anyone else concerned? by Lumpy · · Score: 0

      Nope, because those experts are not as good as everyone makes them out to be.

      Their only advantage is they were rich and paid for college. They are not any smarter than a guy working for $12.00 in a foundry fixing a welder.

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    8. Re:Anyone else concerned? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Absolutely yes. Good damned point. Let us never forget it's all just stupid people. In this case, paralyzed by doing something indefensible to his/her lawyers or medical malpractice. Stifling innovation. Yes. Safe? .. ? Assured results...
      There is a reason the wild west was called wild. Now we are safe. And slow, averse to risk taking...

    9. Re:Anyone else concerned? by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 4, Interesting

      No surprise here. I've recently had to deal with doctors of various kinds, and found many (though not all) to be myopic, stubborn and deeply conservative, reluctant to consult outside their own area of expertise, prone to seek the cause of unknowns outside their own area of expertise ("It's not X, go see a specialist for Y"), and having a disturbing lack of curiosity. Maybe I expect too much of them, but doctors act a lot more like technicians than scientists or researchers. There was an article (in the Economist I believe) about health care being one of the least innovative disciplines. The science of medicine has progressed, but there's been relatively little progress in the way we diagnose and treat patients. Some doctor proudly spoke about how they now employ checklists similar to those being used by pilots, to reduce errors in surgery. A great innovation... which they could have known about and implemented about 50 years ago.

      There are plenty of examples of desperate patients nudging their doctors in the right direction after doing some self-diagnosis and research online. There are also some examples of extraordinary breakthroughs in medical science made by engineers with no medical background.

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    10. Re: Anyone else concerned? by GodInHell · · Score: 1

      Surgeons are basically engineers with a specialty in human engineering ... a lot of cross pollination in required training.

    11. Re: Anyone else concerned? by GodInHell · · Score: 2

      Well... that plus decades of experience.

    12. Re:Anyone else concerned? by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Sorry, but if the CT software / computer is not hopeless outdated, the doctors should have been able to see at a 3D visualization and hardly had need for a 3D printed model.
      Your parent is quite right, it is a scandal that the doctors missinterpreted the data and wanted to wait 6 more month to see how "it develops"
      Bottom line they IM(ns)HO simply wanted to increase the costs for the insurance and hence earn kore money (at cost of the patients eye sight!)

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    13. Re:Anyone else concerned? by ColdWetDog · · Score: 4, Interesting

      but doctors act a lot more like technicians than scientists or researchers.

      Doctors are much more like technicians. You don't want doctors "experimenting" on you unless you really, really need that. Physicians are typically not brought up in a 'science' environment (question assumptions, learning how to research a topic, critical thinking.) Doctors are brought up in 'cram mode'. Dump a lot of into down your throat. You're expected to believe it. They are increasingly taught to 'follow the protocol' which amazingly, is what technicians do.

      Yes, there are 'physician scientists' but they aren't treating the majority of patients and you don't want them to be ('hey that looks interesting, what happens when I tug on it?').

      This case is interesting as the husband of the patient kicked the docs out of 'technician' mode. And, of course, used a 3D printer.

      ALWAYS ask your doc questions about stuff you don't understand.

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    14. Re:Anyone else concerned? by njnnja · · Score: 1

      And I bet all of a sudden a lot of medical people are saying "wait, he did what?" and "where can I get one?".

      And even more patients are going to say that. Hopefully someone listens....

    15. Re:Anyone else concerned? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Oh bullshit. Unnecessary surgery is awful and should be avoided at all cost.

    16. Re:Anyone else concerned? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      " They are not any smarter than a guy working for $12.00 in a foundry fixing a welder.". You missed the tags. They most certainly are likely smarter than your hypothetical welder-fixer. Seriously? Everyone is *not* equal..

    17. Re:Anyone else concerned? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You don't become an expert by going to college. You become one by working in your field for years.

    18. Re:Anyone else concerned? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      meant..missed {sarcasm} tags..

    19. Re:Anyone else concerned? by Overzeetop · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Not at all. A technically minded person who's entire career is solving problems throws several hundred hours at solving a problem vs a doctor who is allotted 2-6 hours to solve the same problem and has a hundred other patients who are clamoring for his time. Which do you think would solve a complex problem?

      I encounter it every day as a professional engineer who designs buildings. I get $600 (about 4 hours of time) to solve the entire wind and seismic resisting system on a small building and if you decide the entire first floor will be all glass I'll tell you you can't do it. If you're an engineer (but not necessarily a structural one) and decide to design a system yourself and you spend 400 hours on it there's a good chance you'll come up with a solution. For $40,000 in your time, you've solved problem worth $600 on the open market.

      And, FWIW, I can solve that kind of problem in under 40 hours - maybe $6000 - but if you offer me $600 to solve the problem, I'm going to tell you that it can't be done [for that money].

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    20. Re:Anyone else concerned? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Their only advantage is they were rich and paid for college.

      Unless they're poor and are still paying for college years later. TV lied to you - "doctor" does not equal "rich".

    21. Re:Anyone else concerned? by Minwee · · Score: 1

      You may want to read Richard Feynman's "What Do You Care What Other People Think?" (Or watch the movie "Infinity", with Matthew Broderick as the famous bongo player if that's more your thing) for another example of this. Being able to apply research skills isn't something unique to any one field, and having only one patient to worry about can make things a lot clearer.

    22. Re:Anyone else concerned? by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 0

      Nope, because those experts are not as good as everyone makes them out to be.

      Their only advantage is they were rich and paid for college. They are not any smarter than a guy working for $12.00 in a foundry fixing a welder.

      And this is why we don't get our medical advice from slashdot. But please, don't let that stop you ....

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    23. Re:Anyone else concerned? by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      Science isn't a closed club that is only understandable to the initiated. And a good thing, too, otherwise this guy's wife would be in a significantly worse situation.

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    24. Re:Anyone else concerned? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      deeply conservative, reluctant to consult outside their own area of expertise, prone to seek the cause of unknowns outside their own area of expertise ("It's not X, go see a specialist for Y")

      Well, yeah, "If I mess this up, someone might die" tends to do that to you. It's easy enough to say "move fast and break things" when the consequence of buggering it up is just that Ed needs to walk to the basement to reboot the server farm. It's a completely different thing when the thing you're breaking is a human being, and when things go south you have to call a mortician and justify yourself in front of a review board or a judge in a malpractice suit.

    25. Re: Anyone else concerned? by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      New doctors dont have decades of experience. Unless we are now transplanting brains of old doctors into the heads of new ones.

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    26. Re:Anyone else concerned? by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      Education != smart.

      for an example please look in the nearest mirror.

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    27. Re:Anyone else concerned? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Doctors are mechanics for your body. This issue is, his health insurance was such that the only attention he could get was the 15 minute distracted/hungover medical-school-debt indentured-servant blinker-fluid salesman. Those doctors live for oil changes, not transmission rebuilds.

      A true artisan doctor wouldn't need a 3d printed model to visualize the problem accurately, but where on the standard distribution of med school grads are YOU willing to pay for to save your wife?

      Top 0.3% whiz kids aren't cheap and probably cost a plane ticket. They don't accept your insurance, and hell: you can get 80% of the value for 20% of the cost. It's funny to hear people claim UNLIMITED or get indignant that EVERY doctor should be top 0.3%. Practical reality is: there's a finite amount of material wealth on the planet and 100% being in the top 0.3% is "Sex Panther" math. Would you prefer to have money and have to roll the dice on which doctor/how long the wait is just so everyone's healthcare is equally inadequate?

    28. Re:Anyone else concerned? by ChumpusRex2003 · · Score: 1

      3D visualisation is pretty standard on medical imaging software, but it's not really that useful for most situations. The issue here appears to have been the missed diagnosis of optic nerve compression by the tumor. As it is, a 3D rending/print of a CT scan won't help with that, as both the nerve and tumor will have similar appearances and very low background contrast to normal tissues. Where 3D rendering or printing of CT is useful is for examining the bone. It sounds like the 3D printing is an interesting factoid tacked onto a story about a misdiagnosis which was corrected after the patient/relatives asked for a 2nd opinion. This, of course, assumes that the diagnosis was wrong in the first place. "Watch and wait" is often far preferable to surgery for slow growing tumours in awkward places.

    29. Re:Anyone else concerned? by plcurechax · · Score: 1

      but doctors act a lot more like technicians than scientists or researchers.

      Doctors are much more like technicians. You don't want doctors "experimenting" on you unless you really, really need that.

      To clarify the doctors or physicians you are referring to medical practitioners in medical parlance. There is two additional medical "communities," which are linked, the medical teaching and research specialties though two these tend to be more intertwined. In many cases they share hospitals, labs, institutions.

      Physicians are typically not brought up in a 'science' environment (question assumptions, learning how to research a topic, critical thinking.) Doctors are brought up in 'cram mode'. Dump a lot of into down your throat. You're expected to believe it. They are increasingly taught to 'follow the protocol' which amazingly, is what technicians do.

      That is a gross over-generalization. A good physician is trained to be scientifically minded, to take careful observations (utilizing medical testing), question assumptions for faulty assumptions and correlations, and be critical in what they do. They are expected to learn and memorize a large body of knowledge that they will likely need to do their job on a daily basis, and was the first profession AFAIK to have formal continuing education requirements to keep their medical license in many jurisdictions. All bio-chemical scientists follow a protocol so that they have a consistent and reliable testing methodology to reduce mistakes, attempt to be as objective as possible, and to be comparable.

      Yes, there are 'physician scientists' but they aren't treating the majority of patients and you don't want them to be ('hey that looks interesting, what happens when I tug on it?').

      If you are being treated by a medical researcher, then either there is no known effective or reliable treatment, or there are testing for a new hopefully better treatment. It means you are the test subject, normally not an ideal situation.

      This case is interesting as the husband of the patient kicked the docs out of 'technician' mode. And, of course, used a 3D printer.

      ALWAYS ask your doc questions about stuff you don't understand.

      Interesting, yes, but it bugs me more in that I fear the deniers of vaccine safety, and those who want to consumer-ize their medical experience ("the customer is always right" is a horrible mantra for any legitimate medical practice) will use it as evidence to vindicate their positions. Most of the medical drama was in fact about miscommunication, inconsistent practice, and the need to be your own advocate for medical treatment.

      From working with physical scientists, I know that 3 and higher dimensional visualization is still often lacking in being easy to interpret with advanced computer visualization techniques. The results while sometime can be made to look pretty, that has little correlation with how quickly and easily the visualization can be interpreted to extract the relevant information.

    30. Re:Anyone else concerned? by BitZtream · · Score: 1

      Its just you.

      He could have just as easily caused his wife her sight by finding doctors that weren't as good as the originals and the originals having the right course of treatment.

      Doctors practice medicine. Notice the words I used, PRACTICE medicine. They ALL get it wrong, A LOT.

      Don't think for a second that this guy saved the day with his skill alone, he got lucky.

      Neither the summary nor the article gives enough detail to make a medical decision and a 3d object printed isn't immensely more useful for diagnoses than the MRI/CT which they can manipulate on the computer like any other 3d model.

      One of the things that causes problems for medical advancement in areas like this is that doctors are liars. ALL of them. Put the same MRI or CT scan of a 100% perfectly healthy individual in front of 100 different doctors and they will ALL diagnose something different but still wrong with the scan. Companies trying to do things like have machine learning decode/analyze and find problems on scans are essentially screwed because they get no help from living doctors who don't want to say 'I don't see anything on this scan' so no progress can be made as far as machine learning since no one else will accept anything from a study like that. God forbid someone call the fucking doctors out on their bullshit.

      Okay so not ALL doctors at that way, just 99.999% of them, and I say this as the husband of a doctor with friends who work for companies trying to build the automation I mentioned. Again, he didn't show how awesome he was and better than the doctor, he simply found a different set of doctors who were willing to cut his wife open versus the other ones weren't. The rest was dumb luck.

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    31. Re:Anyone else concerned? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is why licensing laws should be rescinded, though--if he was doing anything other than helping with his wife's case, he would run into all sorts of regulations and medical licensing restrictions. Medical licensing law is just government-enabled monopoly.

      I agree with you about multidisciplinarity and what not, but the orignal poster's underlying point still stands for me. There's nothing special about an MD that suggests its bearer should have sole medical-decision making authority over everything health care related. This is one in a long line of examples. The best way of illustrating this is to let the market decide who is the most skilled and has the most to contribute, not the government (via MD-run licensing boards). It's just another thing among many driving up health care costs in the US.

    32. Re:Anyone else concerned? by Krishnoid · · Score: 1

      Yes -- one would hope the specialists would have the latitude and motivation to research options to get the best answer possible; and no -- this was her husband, with a personally vested interest in the accuracy of the diagnosis of a single patient, not just any have-a-go engineer.

    33. Re:Anyone else concerned? by cusco · · Score: 1

      You know what they call the guy who graduates dead last in his class at medical school? Doctor.

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    34. Re:Anyone else concerned? by JustNiz · · Score: 2

      ...except the difference here is that we're talking about someone's life not just a few bucks, and also the doctors didn't say they couldn't do it for the money, they misdiagnosed it the first time, then just said they couldn't do it at all.

    35. Re:Anyone else concerned? by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 1

      I'm not talking about reckless experiments on patients, but about looking outside one's own comfort zone. Instead of referring a patient with odd, conflicting symptoms to the next specialist, and the next, and the next who will fob it off with an "it's psychological", maybe confer with that next specialist instead, and discuss what could be ailing the patient. It also means looking to other industries and asking yourself: "what can we learn from airline pilots to make our own jobs safer?", or "would a 3d printed model of a brain help us plan this surgery better and perform it more accurately?".

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    36. Re:Anyone else concerned? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pretty much this.

      When two previously unacquainted industries come together, magical things can happen.
      3D printing is going to make the medical industry pretty amazing.
      Printing tumors, printing heart valves, printing replacement veins, replacement organs, nerves.
      It will be an exciting time for the medical industry.

      Also the food industry. 3D printed custom foods will be possible (are possible) and you will be able to create all kinds of amazing food.
      The best bit? Extremely little waste. Combined with fungal food alternatives and insect farming, it could provide for another several billion humans in the century to come. (if you have the farms to meet the demand, that is. Hopefully aquaponics grows in popularity, it too is incredibly efficient, especially on the industrial scale!)

      The goods industry might suffer a bit, but more and more companies in said industry are getting behind 3D printing as well, either directly at the consumer-front, or in-house. Even secondary retailers are taking up the job as well, can walk down to a typical supermarket and get stuff printed.
      This will likely be the transitional stages before it becomes a consumer-level hobby like printers used to be back a couple decades. (although they are mighty affordable now considering how expensive they were only a few years back.)

    37. Re:Anyone else concerned? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're basically noting the difference between an MD and PhD in medecine.

    38. Re:Anyone else concerned? by RandCraw · · Score: 1

      Yes, absolutely I'm concerned. The radiologist got it wrong in assessing the tumor to have grown. That's so important to a cancer patient as to be an unpardonable sin.

      But given the hodgepodge of modern medical testing, it's not terribly surprising. Clinical CT or MR images often have low resolution or voxels that are anisotropic (usually, longer head-to-toe than side-to-side). When comparing two images with differing resolutions, voxel shapes, or subject poses, two images can be difficult to compare.

      That said, recommending surgery based on a mistaken read of an image is something I would *definitely* be concerned about. But that's why we get second opinions.

    39. Re:Anyone else concerned? by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

      In this case, he brought knowledge outside their field-of-expertise to help them (not replace them) in making a decision. This is good.

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    40. Re:Anyone else concerned? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      no more concerned than when a goldsmith sparks a printing press revolution in Europe.

    41. Re:Anyone else concerned? by s0nicfreak · · Score: 1

      Except when it turns out to NOT be unnecessary :\

    42. Re: Anyone else concerned? by s0nicfreak · · Score: 1

      It's the decades of experience that clouds their vision (no pun intended). Many become set in their ways and refuse to listen to new knowledge.

    43. Re:Anyone else concerned? by s0nicfreak · · Score: 1

      Of course everyone can't be the top 0.3% - but the bottom 99.7% could be less shitty. To achieve this, the first step would be to cut the cost of medical school - stop making it for the rich who expect to eventually be paid enough to continue being rich (after paying off the school cost).

    44. Re:Anyone else concerned? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Maybe I expect too much of them, but doctors act a lot more like technicians than scientists or researchers. There was an article (in the Economist I believe) about health care being one of the least innovative disciplines.

      That's because experimenting on human subjects has serious ethical considerations. After the tuskegee syphilis study medical ethics became a "big thing."

    45. Re:Anyone else concerned? by Overzeetop · · Score: 1

      That's just it. Nearly 200,000 people die every. single. day. Doctors have patients die all the time because some things can't be fixed, or can't be fixed within the constraints of "regular" medicine. One of those constraints is money. I didn't see where he took her to a clinic and offered the best surgeon in the world $10,000,000 to attempt the surgery. (And, remember, all medical procedures are just probabilities of repair not guarantees.) Because he probably would have gotten a different answer.

      And, yes, it's intensely frustrating. In fact, I'm often glad that I'm not a doctor. I've run into cases where someone's home will cost more to fix than the home is worth. Often, for those people, it costs more than their life savings. It's the death sentence for the structure, and a pretty dire condition for the owner. Imaging that your only shelter is falling apart around you, and may collapse, but not only don't you have the money to fix it but if you found the money and did fix it, it would still be worth less than the money you spent.

      As for the misdiagnosis, doctors are still humans and they still make mistakes.

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    46. Re:Anyone else concerned? by Rakarra · · Score: 2

      Except when it turns out to NOT be unnecessary :\

      So do you do ten unnecessary surgeries under the assumption one of them will turn out to be needed? Who pays, and where is the line drawn?

    47. Re:Anyone else concerned? by Rakarra · · Score: 1

      Their only advantage is they were rich and paid for college. They are not any smarter than a guy working for $12.00 in a foundry fixing a welder.

      Except for their experience. And perhaps the fact that they may have been smart enough to get into and pass medical school in the first place, while the welder might not have.

      But then, we have need for all sorts of jobs and all sorts of skillsets.

    48. Re:Anyone else concerned? by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      Well, I have two points basically:
      a) the position of the tumor is *visible* in the CT and the position of the visual nerve is *known* so even if you can not distinguish the two kinds of tissues in the CTs visualization (which you should imho) then you nevertheless should know the tumor is very close or around the visual nerve
      b) it can't be that the data from the CT has enough information to make a 3D print that shows the visual nerve is in danger but can not be used to visualize that fact

      Regarding watch and wait in respect to tumors, sorry: I don't buy that. The sooner you get rid of it the higher the survival rate and length.

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    49. Re:Anyone else concerned? by ChumpusRex2003 · · Score: 1

      You have made my point (which admittedly I didn't make very clearly). What is useful is a knowledge of anatomy, and knowing what the potential problems are, and careful examination of the raw data of the CT scan. A skilled doctor would have specifically looked for the optic nerve in relation to the tumor. For whatever reason, this was not detected, or not communicated appropriately, resulting in a delayed treatment.

      Complex 3D rendering or printing, while it looks impressive, generally isn't all that useful for making the diagnosis - the raw (or minimally processed) data tends to show the anatomical relations most clearly. The raw volumetric data shows everything; a 3D rendering depends upon some sort of thresholding, and the 3D projection necessarily results in occlusion and obscuration of objects. The thing about 3D rendering is that it is immediately recognisable by the lay person, or doctors without specific training in interpretation of CT, whereas the appearance of the anatomy is rather alien to most people when presented as cross-sectional raw data.

      As for treating tumors, I'm afraid you're wrong about that. Watch and wait is very important for tumours around the eye and base of skull, because the anatomy here is so complex and fragile that the whole tumor may not be removable, or may be removable only at significant cost (loss of vision, facial disfigurement, risk of infections due to bone holes, etc.) For this reason, if a tumour is only causing minor symptoms, and there is good reason to suspect a benign tumor (i.e. not cancer liable to spread elsewhere in the body), there are often good reasons to delay surgery, until such time as the symptoms resulting from side effects of surgery are likely to be less than the symptoms from the tumor.

    50. Re:Anyone else concerned? by s0nicfreak · · Score: 1

      If doctors think those 10 surgeries MAY be needed, I'd rather get the surgeries and not need them than need them and not get them. I'll pay for mine. The line is drawn when I'm healthy/able to see/etc.

  5. 3d printing irrelevant by sonicmerlin · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It sounds to me like the actual 3d printing was less important than the 3d model. I'm not sure what the first doctor's problem was. Usually an MRI gives you a detailed model that you can look at from multiple angles. You don't just measure the size from one point of view. That doesn't even make sense.

    1. Re:3d printing irrelevant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure what the first doctor's problem was

      The doctor probably wasn't smart enough to sufficient interpret the scan to guide the surgeons. Most doctors aren't too smart... :(

    2. Re: 3d printing irrelevant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It would help with understanding the spatial connection between everything, helps facilitate a real world model to learn from kinesthetically versus visually.

      I've done something very similar (assist planning brain tumor removal operation) with a neurosurgeon and patient, though the tumor in the case I worked with was far more accessible (top of head, excuse my lack of medical terminology).

      One function that does help without 3D printing is adding stereoscopic visualization. Many hosipotals actually have real time cross sectional displays where the patients skull and OR surgery tools are registered and tracked in relative space, and the cross sections scans (as well as a volumetric visualization that 'slices' inward) update as the surgeons
        progresses (it's was a Stryker system). One thing I foind lacking is use of autostereo displays (which may not have been as well developed at the time as they are now) but beyond that, I'd say its very well developed as is.

    3. Re:3d printing irrelevant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, doctors are well known for being bumbling idiots, just like in that documentary, Scrubs.

    4. Re:3d printing irrelevant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The key to success here might have been simply the push for a second opinion. People don't understand that doctors often base their decisions on best practices, and in this case maybe the normal thing for an oncologist would be wait and see how the tumor developed, working out better for 99% of cases. Getting an actual neurosurgeon to look into it was probably the biggest thing, and the 3d print was only useful in catching their attention.

      Granted, 99% of people who tried something like this would have the neurosurgeon look at it, pat them in the head for a good job on the print and then get sent back, as that's the right thing to do. Those are not newsworthy, but that doesn't mean this exception will be the new rule.

      I'd bet on VR to be more useful for doctors as you can see the results right away instead of waiting for the print though.

    5. Re:3d printing irrelevant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Touche.

      The MRI software usually gives slices instead of pretty volumetric point cloud/voxel displays 1) Because x-section area makes the mental arithmetic of volume calculation easier to do than visual estimates 2) GPU horsepower

  6. What it takes to justify tech toy purchase to wife by JoeyRox · · Score: 2

    This sets a high bar for other husbands trying to convince their wives that the house needs that shinny new 3D printer :)

  7. Interesting by BenJeremy · · Score: 1

    I'm glad her tumor was not inside her eye.... I've lost most of the vision in my right eye after radiation treatment for a tumor inside the eye. My Ocular Oncologist did extensive drawings of my retina and the tumor. I'm not sure MRI technology could have mapped it out well enough to make a reliable model. I also had to deal with the fun of having an ultrasound probe run over the surface of my eye to get a better idea of the size of the tumor. That was 4 years ago, and luckily, the ocular melanoma had not metastasized.

    It's amazing how fine, delicate, almost microscopic work can be done these days.

  8. rubbish by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    this entire story is nonsense, speaking as a qualified medical physicist in radiotherapy with decades of experience. First of all, for him to make a 3D model of a tumour, he is having to decide based on CT and/or MRI data what is or isnt the tumour, which by the way you might have noticed is the same information from the CT and/or MR scan that qualified radiologists and oncologists look at, and using treatment diagnosis and planning software (including auto segmentation techniques). So unless this guy suddenly read a book one night and became a fucking oncologist, he didnt pick out SHIT from a CT data set that a qualified oncologist "missed". Nor did he tell surgeons "how to get at" the tumour in a way that implies that was the holdup, like he figured it out while people who work with this for decades didnt get it.

    ah now wait a minute, halfway down the article

    "So although the first doctors told them to wait, Balzer and Scott sent the MRI results to a handful of neurologists around the country. Nearly all of them agreed that Scott needed surgery."

    correct. OTHER QUALIFIED DOCTORS diagnosed the issue. Not some fucking clown with a 3D printer.

    "The tumor had grown substantially, which indicated a far more grave condition than was initially diagnosed. But back at home, Balzer used Photoshop to layer the new DICOM files on top of the old images, and realized that the tumor hadn’t grown at all — the radiologist had just measured from a different point on the image."

    this makes no sense at all and has either been misreported, or he went to a pretend hospital staffed by retards. NO INFORMATiON WHATSOEVER came to light from a 3D printed model of the SAME FUCKING DATA thats in the image. If someone measured wrong on a scan thats an error, just go back and review the images, or send them off again for a 2nd opinion rather than waste your time printing a fucking useless model

    he sent a 3d model /image round when instead all he had to do was send the SOURCE DICOM files to these other doctors, which would have resulted in the exact same solution.

    Fuck, every single time you see a story in your own field and realise its utter bullshit, you realise that ALL stories must be fucking bullshit, its just that you cant check up on stuff youre not involved with so easily

    1. Re:rubbish by pete6677 · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      I see somebody feels professionally threatened...

    2. Re:rubbish by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      Whoa there buddy. Maybe you should see a nice psychiatrist or perhaps a bartender.

      This is SLASHDOT (says so right on the top). TFA has only transient and extremely limited interest to the vast majority of people and bots here (Hi Bennett!). It really makes little difference if this was reported in Nature or the National Enquirer. Nobody really believes anything happened remotely as described.

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    3. Re:rubbish by Zordak · · Score: 1

      Welcome to my life every time Slashdot posts one of their misinformed anti-patent rants. (Signed, a patent attorney.)

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    4. Re:rubbish by BitZtream · · Score: 0

      What do you call any number of attorneys at the bottom of the ocean? ...

      A good start.

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    5. Re:rubbish by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most programmers probably would have just put the one pertinent quoted line and pointed out that the summary was wrong.

      Now, Doctor, please go sanitize your keyboard to wash the dirty words you used off of it as they're making your shift key stick, and the punctuation not to work at all.

    6. Re:rubbish by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Agreed. I am a radiologist. The article makes no sense.

    7. Re:rubbish by phorm · · Score: 1

      or he went to a pretend hospital staffed by retards.

      Yes, because hospital stuff are never overworked, hurried, etc. They never make rush decisions, or screw up results. Never...

      Says the AC, whose personal medical training probably involved a CPR course once 5-6 years ago...

    8. Re:rubbish by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I must say, for someone professing to be a professional in the medical field, with decades of experience even, you sound very much like the kind of person I would not want to see anywhere near a hospital or other medical facility.

      I am hoping you are not actually that kind of person, but the impression you made with that post is not a flattering one.

    9. Re:rubbish by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's actually a study out there pointing out how easy it is to incorrectly measure this.

      I'd also say that it's questionable that he directly saved her life, though the originally contemplated surgery--lifting her brain out of her skull--is quite dangerous.

      I think it's a bit oversold, but it's interesting what you can do these days with a bit of technical know-how. I do think that 3D models can be easier to interpret. I know I've made them myself for this very purpose when solving other problems.

    10. Re:rubbish by hilather · · Score: 2

      this entire story is nonsense, speaking as a qualified medical physicist in radiotherapy with decades of experience. First of all, for him to make a 3D model of a tumour, he is having to decide based on CT and/or MRI data what is or isnt the tumour, which by the way you might have noticed is the same information from the CT and/or MR scan that qualified radiologists and oncologists look at, and using treatment diagnosis and planning software (including auto segmentation techniques). So unless this guy suddenly read a book one night and became a fucking oncologist, he didnt pick out SHIT from a CT data set that a qualified oncologist "missed". Nor did he tell surgeons "how to get at" the tumour in a way that implies that was the holdup, like he figured it out while people who work with this for decades didnt get it.

      ah now wait a minute, halfway down the article

      "So although the first doctors told them to wait, Balzer and Scott sent the MRI results to a handful of neurologists around the country. Nearly all of them agreed that Scott needed surgery."

      correct. OTHER QUALIFIED DOCTORS diagnosed the issue. Not some fucking clown with a 3D printer.

      "The tumor had grown substantially, which indicated a far more grave condition than was initially diagnosed. But back at home, Balzer used Photoshop to layer the new DICOM files on top of the old images, and realized that the tumor hadn’t grown at all — the radiologist had just measured from a different point on the image."

      this makes no sense at all and has either been misreported, or he went to a pretend hospital staffed by retards. NO INFORMATiON WHATSOEVER came to light from a 3D printed model of the SAME FUCKING DATA thats in the image. If someone measured wrong on a scan thats an error, just go back and review the images, or send them off again for a 2nd opinion rather than waste your time printing a fucking useless model

      he sent a 3d model /image round when instead all he had to do was send the SOURCE DICOM files to these other doctors, which would have resulted in the exact same solution.

      Fuck, every single time you see a story in your own field and realise its utter bullshit, you realise that ALL stories must be fucking bullshit, its just that you cant check up on stuff youre not involved with so easily

      IANAD, and appreciate your analysis of the article, and generally agree with the points you make about the article. Articles are written by journalists that generally the reports end up coming out like a school yard game of telephone. But I think the 3d printed representation of the tumor may have been useful. I myself find physical objects and representations much easier to understand and comprehend than virtual equivalents.

    11. Re:rubbish by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fuck, every single time you see a story in your own field and realise its utter bullshit, you realise that ALL stories must be fucking bullshit, its just that you cant check up on stuff youre not involved with so easily

      Bingo!

    12. Re:rubbish by TheInternetGuy · · Score: 1

      Whoa there buddy. Maybe you should see a nice psychiatrist or perhaps a bartender.

      This is SLASHDOT (says so right on the top).

      Nobody needs real psychiatrists any more. Using some robotics components and a 3D printer you can easily print your own psychiatrist at home these days.
      Now the bartender.... that is a completely different story.

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    13. Re:rubbish by feufeu · · Score: 1

      Fuck, every single time you see a story in your own field and realise its utter bullshit, you realise that ALL stories must be fucking bullshit, its just that you cant check up on stuff youre not involved with so easily

      This, a 1000 times.

  9. Which shows the failure of capitalist medicine by gestalt_n_pepper · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Doctors make no profit out of difficult diagnoses. They have a business to run. They're a mill. Get 'em in. Get 'em out. If it looks like something even slightly nonstandard, shove them off to another specialist so that they can bear the cost, and liability. That neurologist isn't going to bother to read the journals, or keep up with technology, or make any extra effort at all. He's got 25 other people to see today and he's already running late and there's a hiring meeting in 20 minutes because the single good support employee his practice has is threatening to quit, and there's another meeting with the lawyer this afternoon about the tumors he missed because he was just too rushed that day.

    Socialized medicine has its own problems, but at least you can get a doctor focused on medicine.

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    1. Re:Which shows the failure of capitalist medicine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Canada has socialized medicine. Family doctors are paid a flat amount per patient visit by the government.

      I'll let you guess how motivating a difficult diagnosis is for a doctor here vs "My timmy has a cold!"

      Your same failure is a failure in any environment where people are paid for their labour. About the only case where it doesn't fail that I can think of is communism.

    2. Re:Which shows the failure of capitalist medicine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I live in Canada where we have socialized medicine. Going to a doctor will only get you results if you either
      A) have a broken bone and need it set (six hours from now)
      B) want to have blood tests and have a dotor who is actually willing to sign the form
      C) want to hear, "Go home and rest for a few days."

      For anything else, you are dreaming. Forget about actually finding a doctor to look into something or run additional tests. It won't happen.

    3. Re:Which shows the failure of capitalist medicine by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Canada has socialized medicine. Family doctors are paid a flat amount per patient visit by the government.

      I'll let you guess how motivating a difficult diagnosis is for a doctor here vs "My timmy has a cold!"

      Your same failure is a failure in any environment where people are paid for their labour. About the only case where it doesn't fail that I can think of is communism.

      And the family doctor (if you have one - I don't) will quickly refer you to a specialist because that's the right thing to do. Doesn't waste your time or his/her time. Or if it's serious, go to the ER and you'll see a specialist the same day. And if you need a doctor for follow-up care, isn't it better to have a specialist doing it rather than the delays associated with a G.P. playing broken telephone with the specialists?

      I have 4 different specialists who I see on a regular basis, and if something crops up between regular visits, I just have to make a phone call. They answer my questions, they describe what's going on, and I think they're all great.

      It's funny because this is SO in contrast to the experiences of some of the people I know who have nothing to do but complain about their doctors. Same Canadian system, even the same hospitals, but you wouldn't believe it listening to them. I think a big part of that problem is their attitude. They go to the doctor and they already have it in their heads what the doctor should do, and if the doctor doesn't, "they're crap." Me, when I go, I say "I think I need your help", ask questions in a non-confrontational way, thank them, and follow their directions. Just like I talk to and thank the technicians, the resident doctors, the nurses, the medical secretaries, and the receptionists.

      Attitudes matter. I've seen people get mad because we had to wait a few hours because our doctor was called out. The reason - emergency surgery on a newborn's eyes. Me, I figure "Hey take all the time you need."

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    4. Re:Which shows the failure of capitalist medicine by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      I live in Canada where we have socialized medicine. Going to a doctor will only get you results if you either A) have a broken bone and need it set (six hours from now) B) want to have blood tests and have a dotor who is actually willing to sign the form C) want to hear, "Go home and rest for a few days."

      For anything else, you are dreaming. Forget about actually finding a doctor to look into something or run additional tests. It won't happen.

      The problem is because it's perceived as "free", you get people taking up time insisting on ridiculous things like antibiotics for a viral infection. Doctor says no, they get angry and go to another doctor. Same with pain - they'll doctor shop (and report increasing severity of symptoms) until a doctor finally prescribes them hydromorphone. They bring it to the pharmacist, who knows they're a crackhead with a long history of legal and illegal drug abuse, calls the doctor, and it gets substituted with a placebo, which works.

      And then you have the people who absolutely refuse to follow their doctors' recommendations - they don't take their medication "because I feel fine now so I don't need it any more" and then end up going to the ER by ambulance covered in their own feces and urine, they won't make any of the lifestyle changes the doctor recommends because, worse case scenario, they'll get a transplanted organ so why worry (they don't think of how they won't be a suitable recipient because by then there's too much else wrong with them).

      Or they lie about taking their meds or following instructions, leading the doctor on a wild goose chase trying to find something that works. All these types of cases are avoidable if the patient would just take the doctor's advice for once instead of expecting more pills and other drugs to "fix it."

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    5. Re:Which shows the failure of capitalist medicine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, the solution isn't socialized medicine, it's *more capitalized* medicine, where licensing laws are removed or dramatically scaled back. Too difficult of a case to be worth the physician's time? Then go somewhere else. Find someone else who will take your money. Go find a radiology specialist at the university, or that person with a neuroimaging doctoral degree who started seeing patients because they decided academics wasn't what they wanted. There are plenty of people who are qualified to provide medical services who cannot--they can't even get training because it's a dead end because of medical licensing monopolies.

      Health care needs to be approached like taxes. There are reasons to go to a CPA, and a CPA has value. But sometimes you want to be able to do your own taxes, or have your lawyer do them, or have your friend do them who knows what they're doing. Same situation--sometimes you really would want an MD. But sometimes you might want to just go buy that medication without a prescription because you've used it a zillion times and it's safe. Sometimes you might want to consult with a non MD, like an RN or PhD. That should be your choice as a consumer. People providing health care should have to prove their worth in the marketplace, not because the government protects them.

      I guarantee if physicians were forced to compete on the basis of the quality of the care they provide, and didn't have the security of a pool of patients who can't go elsewhere because they're not legally allowed to, they would pay more attention. In the very least, if they passed the patient off, they'd have to have more reason to, and the patient would have more places to go.

    6. Re:Which shows the failure of capitalist medicine by gestalt_n_pepper · · Score: 2

      Oddly, I actually agree here. If I had to enforce anything that I though would help, it would be price transparency and published outcomes. That would also reduce the "run them through the mill" problem. Outcomes here can get pretty lousy.

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    7. Re:Which shows the failure of capitalist medicine by Livius · · Score: 1

      Canada has socialized medical insurance. The doctors themselves are capitalists. Their incentive is to simply see more patients per unit time rather than charge more dollars per patient.

  10. Open source medicine, the time has come by jd.schmidt · · Score: 1

    For about 20 years I have felt that the solution to spiraling costs in medicine is to enable collaborative or "open source" type research. There is no doubt that the free market, where true competition takes place, can compete to produce medicine very cheaply if allowed to, but the basic research needed does take real effort and the resulting patents, though needed under the current system, end up being very expensive for the end user. The natural remedy crowd has long rightly claimed that there are many natural remedies available that can never get the funding needed to pass FDA approval because there is no profit in doing so. Likewise the information revolution has made even development of high tech remedies within the reach average individuals and communities. I call on us all to consider how the approval process could be adapted to keep safeguards in place, yet enable collaborative open source medicine to be researched and produced. If people are motivated to help out Wikipedia out of simple community altruism, consider how motivated people would be to help cure diseased afflicting loved ones! I think there is also a valuable place for government and university funded labs to perform much of the basic research needed.

  11. Re:Hm by AlecC · · Score: 1

    So you think neurologists should be spending a lot of time keeping up to the State of the Art in all new technologies? I would rather they were good neurologists, and waited for people with advanced new technology to offer it to them - as happened in this case. The only difference from what I would expect to be the normal process is that an end user rather than a manufacturer looking for a market came up with the idea. But I do not think skilled medial staff should spend their time surfing the technology scene for possibly good ideas.

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  12. Let's play doctor! by AndyKron · · Score: 1

    Home doctoring, the new normal...

    1. Re:Let's play doctor! by gestalt_n_pepper · · Score: 1

      And the reason this happens, is because doctors so often can't come up with a fix (See article). Seriously, we have a medical system that has, after centuries, been unable to cure many cancers, arthritis, obesity, diabetes, etc. I suffered from insomnia for years. The approved drugs were all crap, pretty much. I now rotate a series of herbs with different modes of action, never repeating them for more than one night in a row. Result? No addiction problems and a sound sleep. Tell me how our current medical research system would ever come up with this trivially cheap and effective solution.

      Not home doctoring. It's guerrilla medicine. It's not optimal. What is?

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    2. Re:Let's play doctor! by cusco · · Score: 1

      I think that's the old normal. It wasn't until about 1900 that having a physician present actually improved your chance of survival, in many previous eras it would have increased your chance of dying instead. (George Washington was bled to death by his doctors, for example.)

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    3. Re:Let's play doctor! by dbIII · · Score: 1

      Similarly I had severe migraines for years - but as I did not start using various types of fairy dust I cannot give them the credit for that condition ceasing. Stuff happens to your body, and the environment you expose it to, whether you are feeding it weird stuff or not so it's a guess that the weird stuff is causing the change, especially since insomnia can have so many causes. Just chatting to people at the herb shop for instance may displace stress that causing insomnia more than the herbs.
      It's a bit depressing I felt I had to write something like that here but the post-enlightenment attitudes are even creeping into tech sites like this, probably because there has been so much contempt of the "reality based community" over the last couple of decades.

  13. First thing they will fix. by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 1

    He’s also become more focused on education, and hosts a podcast called All Things 3D, on which he often invites doctors to speak. Recently, he organized a free seminar on 3D in medicine. “My big message now is that this stuff is out there, and a lot of it is free,” he says. “The first thing is getting the word out that your hands aren’t tied. Your buddy’s got a 3D printer? Use it.”

    The medical industry is horrified. I could hear the CEOs of healthcare industry barking to their minions: "It is Free? as in beer?, what the hell? This is a situation that must be rectified. Got all the buzz words, 3D printing, rapid prototyping, minimally invasive, micro robotic, if it costs less than 1 million dollars to treat this condition, we are leaving money on the table. People get to work. Do not have come back till you have patents all the way to moon and back. We will not rest until we close every loophole that allows that cancer called open source. Must. not. rest. till. open. source. is stopped dead in its tracks".

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  14. Hey another medical speciality by Virtucon · · Score: 2

    "Imaging printer technologist" that can charge me $1000/hr to generate 3d models of my tumors.. I don't think most doctors or hospitals will let you DIY.

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  15. rubbish by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Once his relief subsided, Balzer was furious and more determined than ever to stay in control of ScottÃ(TM)s treatment. ÃoeI thought, Ãwhy donÃ(TM)t we take it to the next level?Ã(TM)Ã Balzer says. ÃoeLetÃ(TM)s see what kind of tools are available so that I can take the DICOMs, which are 2D slices, and convert them into a 3D model.Ã That decision changed everything."

    So he made it "radiologist-proof" by making a physical representation of the mass that isn't subject to scaling errors or misinterpretation. A doctor or tech making a mistake like that tends to freak a person out and make them not trust doctors.

  16. Be active in your own medical care by Firethorn · · Score: 1

    While it's cool that this guy took the job on himself, and ended up getting much better results, this story seems to be, at least in part, "How at least one radiologist fucked it up, and the guy who luckily second guessed him."

    Yeah, I think it's a reinforcement of the idea that while you might not be a professional, you generally have a lot more invested in it(it's YOUR health) than the professionals, and you have a lot more time you can spend on your specific problem than any given specialist.

    I'm not saying not to listen to your doctors or take their advice. I'm saying that double checking everything is probably in your best interest.

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    1. Re: Be active in your own medical care by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Always assume everyone is having a bad day.

      It's the optimistic way of never trusting anyone.

  17. Re:Hm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Uh yes, that's part of being a doctor is keeping up to date with shit. Technology especially.

  18. I'll take that baby in the store front... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I drove past a store front in Silicon Valley that offered to print a 3D model of an unborn child from ultrasound scans. Alrighty...

  19. Re:slashdot saves slashdot by killing beta.slashdo by Falos · · Score: 1

    You raised my hopes then dashed them quite expertly, sir!
    -TT

  20. 3D imaging + 3D printing = missing bone parts by ModelX · · Score: 2

    About two years ago I was at a presentation by a surgeon who used 3d imaging to produce a 3d model of a partially missing bone and a complete symmetric bone. He mirrored the model of the symmetric bone to approximate the part of the missing bone. The part was printed on 3d printer and used to prepare a mold for the appropriate alloy for the implant.

  21. morcellation? by bityz · · Score: 1

    According to the article, the tumor was "95%" removed. It also sounds like morcellation instead of excision. I'm glad that they got it before entanglement with the optic nerve, but they need to follow up carefully. Morcellation of some tumors can lead to metasticies.

  22. Re:Hm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No, I think neurologists should be spending a lot of time collecting adequate data on each patient and scrutinizing it with adequate rigor so as to catch mistakes like "oh oops that measurement was wrong, we should operate right away before you go blind, instead of waiting until next year". No "State of the Art in all new technologies" was required here; just a little more attention, patience, and humanity, and a little less shoving people through the queue like parts on an assembly line. I've worked minimum-wage factory jobs which had more stringent inspection procedures than this.

  23. This is old technology, lol. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nothing new about this, not a thing. In CAD/CAM/CAE fields this technology has existed for many years. Oh, about three decades and, although a bit fuzzy, I think I saw human bone replication towards the end of the last century. The original technique used laser cured photo sensitive resins and later used laser sinterring with plastics. The latter technique is how printed metal object are currently created using powdered metal alloys. Very cool stuff.

  24. Soon surgery... by mha · · Score: 1

    > I see somebody feels professionally threatened... ...will be offered by garage hobby doctors at cut-throat prices! Ask your 3D printing neighbor for details.

    Is that what your comment wants to say? You are not even funny.

  25. In Sci Fi Story: Savage Empire by Jean Lorrah by jimwelch · · Score: 1

    Savage Empire by Jean Lorrah. One important scene in the story is a telepath who can "see" inside of the body makes a 3d model of a tumor by hand in clay and the brain of his ally's father. The ally (a savage lady) then makes the tumor, "not be" telekineticly. As the tumor is removed, he as to remake both models as the brain expands back into the empty space. Patient lives.

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  26. From a neurosurgeon. by buccobruce · · Score: 1

    The eyebrow incision for orbital roof lesions has been around for many years. This is not a new procedure. It is disappointing that the tumor was not completely removed. If it is truly growing as fast as implied in the article, she will need another surgery, probably through a different incision to definitively take care of the problem. There is nothing new in the article, and I would have to say, the 3D model in all likelihood had no impact on the surgical planning or results. It is easy to have good results when the difficult part of the tumor is left behind. I have intermittently used 3D models for various cases, for many years. I don't know that they have ever really helped me when it came to actually doing the procedure.

  27. Full circle by dbIII · · Score: 1

    For about 20 years I have felt that the solution to spiraling costs in medicine is to enable collaborative or "open source" type research

    The idea of "open source" software was inspired by academic research. Most health research still runs that way and is published. The pharma stuff is mostly "product development" which is based on some open research somewhere.

    The natural remedy crowd has long rightly claimed that there are many natural remedies available that can never get the funding needed to pass FDA approval

    Yes, it costs a bit to prove whether something works or not instead of just guessing. Many things in use in medicine were originally from a natural source, but it's the stuff that's been proven to work, as distinct from the sympathetic magic suggested by naturopaths.

  28. BarbaraHudson: "Eat your words"... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "I tore apart your stupid hosts file crapola." - by BarbaraHudson (3785311) on Tuesday August 19, 2014 @10:46AM (#47703255)

    Where? You RAN from trying recently -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... & you're FAIRLY given the opportunity to make good on those words of yours - you downmodded (via your many sockpuppets) & ran, lol, after your wise-ass comment on hosts here JUST before that challenge -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comme... quoted next below:

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    "scans multiple forums repeatedly to troll his crappy HOSTS file " - by BarbaraHudson (3785311) on Sunday January 04, 2015 @11:58AM (#48730581) from http://tech.slashdot.org/comme...

    I only post on them where they apply (or confronting naysayers like you). Prove otherwise!

    (Oh, that's right - you're NOT BIG ON PROOF, are you? See below next...)

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    "His only "legend in his own mind" was that he claimed that "his" hosts file could completely secure a windows computer. " - by tomhudson (43916) on Saturday February 12, @11:19AM (#35186644)

    Where did I even *once* claim hosts completely secure a computer? Hosts are, however, the BEST single tool for more speed, security, reliability, & more. Prove otherwise.

    Putting words in my mouth I never stated != truth, or a good argument on YOUR part. You RAN from that too!

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    "Who has independently vetted it?" - by BarbaraHudson (3785311) on Tuesday August 19, 2014 @10:46AM (#47703255)

    You tried to say it's malware/spyware too - guess what:

    Answer = The BEST in the security antimalware & antispyware business currently, http://www.av-test.org/en/news... per that VERY recent test's results, who also host & RECOMMEND my program for hosts, is who -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... (Malwarebytes' hpHosts)

    * You've done better? No... lol!

    APK

    P.S.=> You fail: "Eat your words, Forrest" & you told others to stalk/harass me by ac posts as YOU YOURSELF do, unceasingly, for years http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

    ... apk

  29. BarbaraHudson's b.s. answer... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    BarbaraHudson stalks me by ac posts & that's quoted in her words http://slashdot.org/comments.p... & her "so-called 'point'" vs. hosts = b.s. (in a 'journal' - not publicly since she KNOWS they're bullshit):

    "We don't need to use a hosts file to block ads (adblock does it better)" - by BarbaraHudson (3785311) on Sunday September 21, 2014 @02:09PM

    FROM-> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

    To THAT b.s. I point out how NOT BETTER it is, tearing up 4++gb of RAM & flooring CPU too -> https://blog.mozilla.org/nneth...

    +

    By default (since advertisers KNOW most folks using "Almost ALL Ads Blocked" won't change that) adblock's PAID OFF NOT TO DO ITS JOB FULLY -> http://techcrunch.com/2013/07/...

    ClarityRay's also DESTROYING AdBlock but it's NOT ABLE TO DO THAT to custom hosts files.

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    * BarbaraHudson's *trying* to tell us that Adblock's vastly inferior abilities + chewing up resources LIKE MAD is "superior" to hosts?? Please... lol!

    (Hosts do all of what adblock does, + FAR more - with less!)

    APK

    P.S.=> Facts above vs. BarbaraHudson's fictions & the FACT BarbaraHudson CANNOT DISPROVE that hosts do more w/ LESS, & far, Far, FAR MORE for added speed, security, reliability, + even anonymity (to an extent) vs. adblock

    &

    That hosts fix DNS security issues in DNS amplification attacks, DNS being downed, DNS being redirect poisoned etc. - et al as well!

    Fact: NO SINGLE SOLUTION does more & w/ less, period/fact, for all those points of mine here BarbaraHudson sockpuppet downmodded & RAN from -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... like the troll & multiple account using sockpuppeteer he/she is... apk

  30. Cool!!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Cool!!!!

  31. Re:3D Printing for Life Extension! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hee hee, think I care? This was more a story about a doctor who made a mistake (gasp), and an idiot who wasted time with a toy instead of getting a second opinion right away.