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An Open Letter To Everyone Tricked Into Fearing AI

malachiorion writes If you're into robots, AI, you've probably read about the open letter on AI safety. But do you realize how blatantly the media is misinterpreting its purpose, and its message? I spoke to the organization that released letter, and to one of the AI researchers who contributed to it. As is often the case with AI, tech reporters are getting this one wrong on purpose. Here's my analysis for Popular Science. Or, for the TL;DR crowd: "Forget about the risk that machines pose to us in the decades ahead. The more pertinent question, in 2015, is whether anyone is going to protect mankind from its willfully ignorant journalists."

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  1. Bleep Bloop Muthafucka by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    You're one of them aren't you!

  2. I'm Sorry Dave by mdsolar · · Score: 4, Funny

    I can't do that.

  3. "AI" vs Strong AI by Urd.Yggdrasil · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The AI we have today is not capable of the kind of malice that people seem to be afraid of with all of these FUD stories, and will not be any time soon if ever. Even if we add some AI to things like drones which can kill people it is only the malice/incompetence of the developer that causes the destruction that results. If an engineer built a bridge woefully inadequately, either on purpose or because he is incompetent, and it falls down and kills a bunch of people would you blame the bridge or the engineer? We are not even remotely close to the Terminator level strong AI, and it's still a big open question whether such a thing is even possible at all.

    1. Re:"AI" vs Strong AI by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 5, Insightful

      We are not even remotely close to the Terminator level strong AI

      The problem is that once you reach a point where AI can participate in its own improvement, then that improvement can advance at an exponential rate. We may go from "not even remotely close" to "to late to stop it" faster than you realize.

      it's still a big open question whether such a thing is even possible at all.

      We already have a working example: The human brain. So, of course it is possible, unless you believe that the human mind is based on some sort of magic.

    2. Re:"AI" vs Strong AI by queazocotal · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Software runs on hardware - yes.
      Software cannot increase the capabilities of hardware - well - not quite.
      The most literal meaning of this - apart from limited things like overclocking is of course broadly true but may be hugely misleading.
      If you've got a really advanced program on each of a network of computers, doing a given task - there are many ways in which it can seem to increase its capabilities, without really doing so.

      Giving up the designated task and freeing resources.
      Co-opting other systems into adding to its resource.
      Optimising the way it performs the task so that it at least does it reasonably well, but much cheaper.
      Sharing computations over multiple devices which were expected to be done on one.

      There are many systems where 'dumb' algorithms are tens, or thousands of times less efficient than optimum ones.
      Optimum algorithms are in many cases intractable for humans to find.

      Optimising computational efficiency over time as machine learning is a really valuable thing to do.
      Looked at from another angle, this can come quite close to 'evolution'.

    3. Re:"AI" vs Strong AI by queazocotal · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That is not hardware.
      The hardware - the FPGA has remained constant.

  4. Welcome to the new age. by JustNiz · · Score: 4, Informative

    Unfortunately the most successful reporters are the ones that sold out their professionalism on their first day.
    A sensationalist headline and article easily trumps a sane, balanced and informative one in attracting views/viewers therefore money. Welcome to the new age.

  5. Re:"Forget about the risk that machines pose to us by Carewolf · · Score: 4, Insightful

    No, forget you. Yes journalism is crap and yes sensationalism rules the day. That doesn't make AI in 2015 and ongoing any less persistent a threat to humanity.

    You are right, it doesn't make it any less of a threat, which is to say any less that non existing. You are exactly who this article is about, you have been conned into thinking AIs are actually real and could in any near future cause a threat to you, when that is in fact not the case. AI do not exists, all those software emulating AI are all smart systems working either deterministic based on specific rules set out or does stastical modeling to make guesses at what you mean or what they are looking at. Stastical modeling that makes a black yellow striped pattern look like a school bus, because it has no concept of anything and not intelligence in any sense of the word and that is the just what fits the statistical model.

  6. Re:"Forget about the risk that machines pose to us by DM9290 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    To the best of my knowledge, no program has become self aware. And no martians have seen our probes as a hostile invasion. It makes for (sometimes) good fiction though.

    To the best of my knowledge no asteroid, or virus, or natural disaster has ever wiped out humankind either!

    and for that matter I've never been killed in a car accident.

    OMG! I'm invincible!

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  7. Killer AI will kill journalists for slandering it by TiggertheMad · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Ten years out? As a veteran programmer and AI enthusiast, I'd say it was more like a century. We cannot build a computer that can model a bug's brain activity, let alone something a million times more complicated like a human brain. And that doesn't even get us to the 'superhuman intelligence' category that people are afraid of.

    Worrying about Killer AI is like worrying about the Sun burning out. Yeah, it might happen eventually, but it isn't even worth considering right now...

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  8. Re:Killer AI will kill journalists for slandering by farble1670 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    yes, worrying about AI that might be a threat in 500 years is like worrying about the Sun burning out in 5 billion years. good point. we should also stop talking about global warming while we are at it.

    We cannot build a computer that can model a bug's brain activity, let alone something a million times more complicated like a human brain

    http://www.futurity.org/why-ar...
    rather, once we are able to model any nervous system we are well one the way,

  9. Re:"Forget about the risk that machines pose to us by Baloroth · · Score: 4, Insightful

    you think it's absolutely impossible that could be achieved in say the next 500 years, considering what humans have accomplished in the last 100?

    Absolutely impossible? No. But the problem is that we don't even know where to begin creating a true AI, which means we also know nothing about what threats it may or may not pose... so we also have no actual way to address those threats. All we have right now is pure, 100% complete speculation (no different from speculating about what would happen if we had FTL travel, or psykers, or met aliens). There are plenty of actual threats to humanity that really exist right now (or could be created with our current knowledge and technology), which makes worrying about something we know literally nothing about kind of silly.

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  10. Re:"Forget about the risk that machines pose to us by farble1670 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    where i come from, discussing and addressing problems before they are a threat is a good idea.

    did we learn anything from global warming? we denied that up to the point where it's essentially too late. would have been good to be talking about global warming a hundred years ago wouldn't it have? humans need to get accustomed to looking at the big picture if we are to survive.

  11. Re:"Forget about the risk that machines pose to us by AK+Marc · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The same fears started when people first started with saying that AIs could someday become sentient.

    Aside from iRobot, nearly all SciFi indicate the problem post-singularity is when the humans try to kill the AI first. Sometimes because the AI starts it, other times, just because the AI is an AI and should be feared. iRobot was the AI staging a complete overthrow of humanity, "for our own good". That has been a recurring theme as well.

    I know people complain about looking to fiction for answers to reality, but SciFi (at least the good stuff) is as much a thought exercise about technology as "fiction", and thus is often relevant.