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Astronomers Record Mystery Radio Signals From 5.5 Billion Light Years Away

sarahnaomi writes For the first time ever, astronomers have captured an enormous radio wave burst in real time, bringing us one step closer to understanding their origins. These fleeting eruptions, called blitzars or FRBs (Fast Radio Bursts), are truly bizarre cosmic phenomena. In the span of a millisecond, they emit as much radiation as the Sun does over a million years. But unlike other super-luminous events that span multiple wavelengths—gamma ray bursts or supernovae, for example—blitzars emit all that energy in a tiny band of the radio light spectrum. Adding to the mystery is the rarity of blitzar sightings. Since these bursts were first discovered in 2007 with Australia's Parkes Telescope, ten have been identified, the latest of which was the first to be imaged in real time.

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  1. This has been know for a while... by beheaderaswp · · Score: 5, Funny

    This is obviously an advanced data stream which we are intercepting. Civilizations who do not have control over quantum entanglement, Use compressed radio bursts at unbelievable magnitude to transfer massive amounts of information across multiple civilizations simultaneously.

    This has been known for about 10 years. But suppressed due to it;s sensitive nature.

    Attempts to decode the messages have only been marginally successful. The one small decoded message translated into English is roughly: "Never going to give..."

    The rest of the message can only be guessed at.

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    1. Re:This has been know for a while... by reboot246 · · Score: 3, Funny

      You mean they went to all that trouble to Rickroll us from billions of light years away? They have too much free time.

    2. Re:This has been know for a while... by Arkh89 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Civilizations who do not have control over quantum entanglement, Use compressed radio bursts at unbelievable magnitude to transfer massive amounts of information across multiple civilizations simultaneously.

      Wait.... Do you think that this is Bennett Haselton transferring is next article to Slashdot Editors???

    3. Re:This has been know for a while... by mekkab · · Score: 3, Insightful

      don't be a hater; it's a solid "B" effort from the parent-post. You can argue it down to a "C", but that's as far as you'll get. Lulling the reader into submission (your complaint about it taking too long) is an actual STRATEGY. Are you familiar with how certain readers can gloss over typos? That's what our beheaderaswp is using as a trapping action. Now you can also argue that the barb "never going to give" isn't worth burying with the lead-up, but while humor bursts from the unexpected there is also a joy in the familiar. I'm sorry if this attempt isn't up to your standards, but it hits the standard.

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    4. Re:This has been know for a while... by roc97007 · · Score: 4, Funny

      > only for it to be a hackneyed reference to a reddit meme so old that it's practically dust?

      Well, it *was* coming from 5.5 billion light years away. They can't be expected to be up on the latest memes.

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    5. Re:This has been know for a while... by roc97007 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Never? Really? Wow. There should be a special Achievement just for that.

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    6. Re:This has been know for a while... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      ACHIEVEMENT UNLOCKED

    7. Re:This has been know for a while... by Kozar_The_Malignant · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You're not trying hard enough then. :-) One of the benefits of excellent karma is that you can bring out the flamethrower to crisp up some fool on occasion without too many consequences.

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    8. Re:This has been know for a while... by jeffb+(2.718) · · Score: 3, Funny

      No, no, you're falling into the old fallacy of confusing "information" and "data".

    9. Re:This has been know for a while... by Man+On+Pink+Corner · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yeah, I was duped into watching LOST too.

      Those aliens are going to be pissed.

  2. Boom. Boom. Boom. Another one bite's the dust... by gestalt_n_pepper · · Score: 4, Funny

    No worries ladies and gents. Just some black hole or star being absorbed into a circle of more stable vacuum than the twitchy sort of vacuum we have over here. Move along. Move along. There's literally nothing to see there.

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  3. I felt it too. by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 4, Funny

    I felt a great disturbance, as if millions of voices suddenly cried out in terror, and were suddenly silenced. I fear something terrible had happened 5.5 billion light years away.

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    1. Re:I felt it too. by Kjella · · Score: 3

      I fear something terrible had happened 5.5 billion light years away.

      Well in that case it also happened 5.5 billion years ago, so your warning may be a little late. Then again they did say it happened long, long ago in a galaxy far, far away...

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    2. Re:I felt it too. by roc97007 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Yeah, they just got their own version of Keeping up with the Kardashians.

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    3. Re:I felt it too. by roc97007 · · Score: 2

      Yeah, they just got their own version of Keeping up with the Kardashians.

      Are you sure it wasn't the Cardassians?

      I'm pretty sure that would be an improvement.

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  4. Clickbait by Chess_the_cat · · Score: 2

    "“In real time here means, ‘as soon as the burst radiation arrives on the Earth,’” astronomer Daniele Malesani, co-author of a new paper about the discovery, told me over email. " So, not in real time then. "Astronomers record mystery signals" isn't as exciting though is it?

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    1. Re:Clickbait by david_thornley · · Score: 2

      Really, the time and distance depend on your point of view. From the photon's point of view, it hit Earth as soon as it was emitted, meaning that the distance is zero. From our point of view, the photons were emitted 5.5 billion years ago from a point rather far away (I was going to say 5.5 billion light-years, but due to space expansion I'm not nearly as confident of that).

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  5. Re:Boom. Boom. Boom. Another one bite's the dust.. by MozeeToby · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Now now, we all know vacuum stabilization events travel out from their sources at the speed of light, if it were to happen it would be against the laws of physics to see it coming.

    More interesting is one of the actual proposed explanations. A massive spinning magnetron gradually slowing down until centrifugal force can't keep it from collapsing into a black hole anymore. And when the source of the magnetic field suddenly gets cut off from the outside universe by being engulfed by the event horizon, the magnetic field has no where to go but... out. The most powerful magnetic field in the universe getting converted almost instantly to energy; creating a spark that lasts seconds and outputs more energy than the sun has in the past million years.

  6. Re:WTF by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 5, Informative

    If you had read the article, you would know that until now, they had to sift through old data to find these things, so they couldn't ask other radio-telescopes to look at it. This time the data was analyzed in real time and triggered an alarm so other radio-telescopes could look at it in other wavelengths, etc.

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  7. Re:In "Real-Time"? by MozeeToby · · Score: 2, Informative

    What they are, admittedly awkwardly, trying to say is that the Fast Radio Burst was detected as it was happening, enabling follow up investigations to catch the immediate after effects. Previous such bursts were detected much later, too late to do any kind of follow up leading some to question if the events were even extra planetary.

  8. Only Radio, Huh? by avgjoe62 · · Score: 5, Funny

    But unlike other super-luminous events that span multiple wavelengths—gamma ray bursts or supernovae, for example—blitzars emit all that energy in a tiny band of the radio light spectrum.

    Why is this a mystery? 5.5 Billion years ago, did anyone have anything other than a radio? It wasn't like they could use a satellite dish or something...

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  9. Re:Signal? by Deadstick · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Reasonable nitpick, but yes: "signal" in the signal processing context means a detected quantity whose variations may tell you something. Vibrations in the earth, detected by a seismograph, are signals.

  10. They had their own LHC by Tablizer · · Score: 2, Funny

    Congratulations, another civilization just won the Intergalactic Darwin Award.

  11. Re:WTF by nukenerd · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This time the data was analyzed in real time and triggered an alarm so other radio-telescopes could look at it in other wavelengths, etc.

    As it (or at least the interesting bit) lasted "the span of a millisecond", those other radio-telescope operators must have acted pretty quick.

  12. Re:WTF by confused+one · · Score: 3, Informative

    In many cases they're looking for afterglow or secondary effects. When a gamma ray burst is observed, it's common to request optical telescopes to point in the direction of the burst in the hopes they'll see what caused it.

  13. Re:Spectrum shift by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Yes, redshift affects all wavelengths equally. However, at the distance they cited, the cosmological red shift is only a factor of 3 in wavelength, which is just enough to shift visible into near-IR, while a shift from gamma to radio spectrum would need a factor of a billion. Current theories give the cosmic microwave background a redshift of around 1100, so we would not expect to see any cosmological red shifts larger than that for light, because the universe was opaque before the even that created the CMB.

    Also, in these specific cases, radio interacts with the plasma between Earth and the source, and causes the energy to disperse and spread out as different frequencies travel at slightly different speeds (e.g. a whistler wave). This effect is effectively not existent with IR and higher energy light going through the space between galaxies, but does give an idea how far the light traveled based on how much the different frequencies spreed out and what we know of densities between galaxies.

    In principle you could still get that much red shift from something falling into a black hole or something moving very fast, but there would be some more subtle issues with that.

  14. Re: In "Real-Time"? by jsh1972 · · Score: 2

    They WERE recorded when they hit the Earth; they're NOTICED until much later, while sifting through old recordings.

  15. Re:WTF by radtea · · Score: 3, Interesting

    As it (or at least the interesting bit) lasted "the span of a millisecond", those other radio-telescope operators must have acted pretty quick.

    It is likely that other processes will be longer-lived. For example, if there are optical emissions associated with the event they likely involve hot matter, which will in most reasonable scenarios take much longer then milliseconds to cool down. Gamma rays from nuclear processes will likewise have lifetimes that can be into the seconds (from intermediate beta decays.)

    There is a lot of mystery here. Collapsing neutron stars is on possibility, but getting the details right is going to be interesting. The billion light-year distance seems to come from dispersion measurements, which require that the initial pulse be much narrower than the observed pulse. Interstellar (and intergalactic) plasma slows down different radio wavelengths by slightly different amounts, so it will tend to spread out. By looking at the spread as a function of frequency it is possible to get an estimate of distance, but it depends on a lot of assumptions being correct.

    There is still a chance, albeit small, that these are closer than currently believed.

    Finally, it is worth noting that the first few detections of these things were all from the same radio telescope, and the scientific community did what we always do when something weird is seen only in one place: put on a side-bet that it was equipment malfunction, because the odds are always good on that.

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  16. LHC by Pallas+Athena · · Score: 2

    I think some far away scientist just said "don't worry, our LHC can not create a black ho..."

  17. Re:WTF by tommeke100 · · Score: 3, Informative

    When an event emits at a particular wave-length; that event probably emitted at other wavelengths as well. Since different wavelengths travel at different speeds, it's still possible to observe other data from the same event a bit later.

  18. Break the /. rules - RTFPaper by RockDoctor · · Score: 2
    It's submitted (and accepted) to MNRAS.

    "A real-time fast radio burst: polarization detection and multiwavelength follow-up"

    It's also on Research Gate.

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