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Researchers Tie Regin Malware To NSA, Five Eyes Intel Agencies

Trailrunner7 writes Researchers at Kaspersky Lab have discovered shared code and functionality between the Regin malware platform and a similar platform described in a newly disclosed set of Edward Snowden documents 10 days ago by Germany's Der Spiegel. The link, found in a keylogger called QWERTY allegedly used by the so-called Five Eyes, leads them to conclude that the developers of each platform are either the same, or work closely together. "Considering the extreme complexity of the Regin platform and little chance that it can be duplicated by somebody without having access to its source codes, we conclude the QWERTY malware developers and the Regin developers are the same or working together," wrote Kaspersky Lab researchers Costin Raiu and Igor Soumenkov today in a published report. (Here is the Spiegel article.)

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  1. Google cache by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    HTTP URL not working. Use HTTPS URL:

    https://threatpost.com/researchers-link-regin-to-malware-disclosed-in-recent-snowden-documents/110667

    1. Re:Google cache by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      HTTP URL not working. Use HTTPS URL:

      https://threatpost.com/researchers-link-regin-to-malware-disclosed-in-recent-snowden-documents/110667

      That's just the NSA tap getting overloaded, it'll clear up on it's own. ;)

  2. It was known before.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    According to this article, Regin has been known for some time.

    Fox IT, which was hired to remove Regin from the Belgian phone company Belgacom's website, didn't say anything about what it discovered because it "didn't want to interfere with NSA/GCHQ operations."

    1. Re:It was known before.. by houghi · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Way more then just the website.
      More info on http://www.net-security.org/se...
      Not only the website, but "26,000 systems were found to be infected: email and share point servers, as well as the technical staff's workstations."
      Belgacom is the largest telecom operator and is also the largest ISP. I would guess almost all political individuals would at least use their phone system, but most likely also their internet.

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      Don't fight for your country, if your country does not fight for you.
    2. Re:It was known before.. by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 2

      Fox IT Has close ties with various governments that are known to run cyber spying operations and/or have questionable human rights records. I wouldn't trust those guys anywhere near my systems. Also one of the founders, Prins, is politically well connected and lobbies for far-ranging police powers, like letting the police break into private citizens' computers. These guys are Part Of The Problem.

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      If construction was anything like programming, an incorrectly fitted lock would bring down the entire building...
    3. Re:It was known before.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If they didn't want to interfere, then why did they remove it?

    4. Re:It was known before.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It needed to be replaced with something less detectable.

    5. Re:It was known before.. by AHuxley · · Score: 2

      Re "It needed to be replaced with something less detectable."
      It depends on where some gov backed malware is found, who is hired to remove it and who can ensure any code found in the wild is not passed to antivirus, spyware and malware protection teams for further global study and public discussion.
      A nation would allow its own private sector or academic teams to find the malware networking, create an expert team for the study and removal only to be told it would be done by a domestic intelligence organization.
      So Western nation could have teams find the networking used but nothing more would be mentioned in public and the western nation is left with questions about what and who is allowed to run in complex networks for years.
      The trust is gone.

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      Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
  3. Outstanding achievement for Computer Science by Virtucon · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Now our Malware/Virus software engineers are practicing reuse. Excellent development practice out there folks! Keep Reusing that code!

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    Harrison's Postulate - "For every action there is an equal and opposite criticism"
    1. Re:Outstanding achievement for Computer Science by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good job... support signature based malware detection!

  4. Actual Conspiracy by Strangely+Familiar · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It would seem our governments are at minimum committing the crime of conspiracy to break into US (and UK, Aussie, etc) citizens computers, if they are helping out foreign governments. They may have made themeselves immune for their own actions, but I highly doubt that immunity extends to helping foreign governments break into your own citizens computers. I have not researched this though. Just thought some people with more knowledge might chime in. If it is not illegal, it really needs to be illegal.

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    1. Re:Actual Conspiracy by Virtucon · · Score: 1

      Well the CFAA gets used and abused quite a bit. I'm sure it's applicable here. The problem is proving who the perps are who wrote the stuff and catching them. Since you're implying the US government or some of its allies then let's suppose that you could provide evidence at trial that they actually wrote it and used it to hack your system. The simple response by government lawyers would be "national security" in which case they have a better than 90% chance of getting the judge to agree and your evidence is excluded and sealed. On top of that you'd have a gag order put in place that if you ever did disclose the information you found you'd wind up with a long vacation at club Fed.

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      Harrison's Postulate - "For every action there is an equal and opposite criticism"
    2. Re:Actual Conspiracy by dcw3 · · Score: 1

      I was going to respond that while it may be "criminal", it's not a crime, but you got to that at the end.

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      Just another day in Paradise
  5. Real shocker by X.25 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    And I thought it was IS/Russians/NKoreans/Aliens, because US and allies hold moral highground and would never initiate actions which they themselves consider to be acts of war, right?

    http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB...

    After all, it's ok if they do it. It's only bad if terrorists, communists and perverts do it.

    Crying wolf and all that.

    1. Re:Real shocker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Crying wolf has nothing to with it, unless in that parable the boy who cried wolf became the wolf, or at least had frequent sexual intercourse with it.

    2. Re:Real shocker by SeaFox · · Score: 1

      After all, it's ok if they do it. It's only bad if terrorists, communists and perverts do it.

      Crying wolf and all that.

      I think you mean "pot calling kettle and all that".

  6. I wonder... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...when Snowden is going to wake up with a bullet in his head...

    1. Re: I wonder... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not soon enough. :)

      Edward Snowden is going to die projectile vomiting. His neighbors will sob and embrace one another when they learn that the sounds they'd heard had come from a human being and not an animal.

    2. Re:I wonder... by nehumanuscrede · · Score: 1

      Never, if he's smart. ( And we know he's rather intelligent )

      Were I in his shoes, the most damning evidence I had would be held back as leverage to ensure no one in the US Government did anything stupid. A digital dead mans switch if you will. Easy enough to bundle with the original encrypted files, just encrypt the crazy stuff with a secondary key. If you end up in an "accident" or going missing, the key gets distributed and the fun really starts.

      Boils down to how badly the Government wants to get their hands on Snowden really. Is it really worth having your most intimate secrets dragged into the spotlight for the world to see ?

    3. Re:I wonder... by kilfarsnar · · Score: 2

      ...when Snowden is going to wake up with a bullet in his head...

      Edward Snowden has released all of his information to news agencies. They are the ones now releasing this information. Snowden could die tomorrow and it wouldn't make a difference. The US government likely knows this, so there is no point in going after him. They may be lawless, but I don't think they would try to get him just for revenge.

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      "What the American public doesn't know is what makes them the American public." -Ray Zalinsky (Tommy Boy)
    4. Re:I wonder... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "But, the whole point of a [dead mans switch] is lost....if you KEEP IT A SECRET! WHY DIDN'T YOU TELL THE WORLD, EH?!"

      Seriously, if he is holding something big like that, he would have to say, roughly, what it is or else there is no point.

    5. Re: I wonder... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      My friend, revenge ain't a big enough word. ;) If you don't imagine that there are people who would go after him, understand that you are mistaken.

    6. Re:I wonder... by Immerman · · Score: 1

      Why would he tell the world? It's not the world he wants to keep in check.

      Basically he would be trying to blackmail the government into inaction - and the whole point of blackmail is that you keep your mouth shut so long as the target does what you want. If he's employed such a strategy then I would expect that certain key individuals have received packets of especially damning information about themselves, along with a promise that should anything happen to him that information will become public.

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    7. Re:I wonder... by Immerman · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Revenge wouldn't be the point - the point would be to send a clear message to future patriots that might try a similar stunt. Revenge would just make it more satisfying to do so.

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      --- Most topics have many sides worth arguing, allow me to take one opposite you.
    8. Re:I wonder... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I have to take with a grain of salt the claims made by a company headed by someone who studied at a school which was essentially a KGB recruitment camp, using documents leaked by a traitor who is being harbored by a hostile government and who is trotted out as a propaganda piece when it suits the aims of the de facto dictator of that adversary.

      Edward Snowden should be given the US Presidential Medal of Freedom but that would require the US Government admitting its bad acts. Not going to happen even with a constitutional scholar lawyer in the Oval Office.

    9. Re: I wonder... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      A traitor to a corrupt, immoral, self-serving government, and a hero to the people for whom the Constitution still has some meaning.

      Your pal Hitler was big on medication. No wonder you recommend it.

    10. Re: I wonder... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What?

    11. Re:I wonder... by kilfarsnar · · Score: 1

      Revenge wouldn't be the point - the point would be to send a clear message to future patriots that might try a similar stunt. Revenge would just make it more satisfying to do so.

      Yeah, maybe. I'd think that if they wanted to do that, they'd have done it already. But maybe they just haven't had the opportunity. Seems to me the horse is out of the barn.

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      "What the American public doesn't know is what makes them the American public." -Ray Zalinsky (Tommy Boy)
    12. Re:I wonder... by Immerman · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Sure this horse is out of the barn, but there's lots of horses - that's why you want to make sure the others all hear the first one screaming as it's being eaten by cougars.

      I can think of only a few reasons why it hasn't been done:
      - To be truly effective it must be obvious that the US/NSA was behind it, and there may well be a fear that employing extra-legal methods to send that message would generate the public backlash that has thus far failed to manifest. A martyr can be far more powerful than a man.
      - Given that he is under Russian protection, any such action could be taken as a direct assault on Russia, and in the current international political climate that might be regarded as too great a risk to take. They seem to be positioning themselves as the spokesman of a new global power structure - no sense in ceding them any more moral high ground than they've already got.
      - The guilty parties still have some scruples (hey, nobody values their scruples like the man who doesn't have many)

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      --- Most topics have many sides worth arguing, allow me to take one opposite you.
    13. Re:I wonder... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you schmuck. Kaspersky is part of the FSB. There is no escape.

    14. Re:I wonder... by tburkhol · · Score: 1

      Yeah, maybe. I'd think that if they wanted to do that, they'd have done it already. But maybe they just haven't had the opportunity. Seems to me the horse is out of the barn.

      Seems to me that the CIA is not quite as omnipotent as their propaganda claims. Julian Assange has not had serious appendicitis, let alone a tragic heart attack nor freak accident, and we all know exactly where he is. How many years did it take to track down OBL, while he sat eating take-out in the suburbs?

      No, I think it's pretty clear that the CIA have trouble finding their asses with both hands. Most of the time that doesn't matter too much, because the media is happy to believe without question that the identified bad guys were really bad, and the public would rather believe in James Bond than Maxwell Smart. I'm sure there are a few very clever and very capable people within CIA, NSA, etc, but I'm equally sure that they are, by and large, massive, hidebound bureaucracies employing legions of tenured civil servants whose sole goal is to get home in time to catch the evening weather report

    15. Re: I wonder... by johncandale · · Score: 2

      fuck you. Snowden was like jesus to the jews. He didn't betray any values, only the crooks

    16. Re: I wonder... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Now you're supporting terrorism, and pushing politically motivated murder, all in order to oppress the public.

      Dude, you're either in serious need of some therapy, or your boss needs to cut down on the script because you'll start scaring people who still believe in the US, after all the shit you guys have pulled.

      You've gone from the land of the free - if you ever were - to the land of control and oppression. You support more corrupt dictatorships, and more human rights abuses, than any other country in the world.

      You won't find any traction for your ideals of control and order here. Most people here want to be free.

    17. Re:I wonder... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's entirely possible that they knew where bin Laden was, and sat on the information because bin Laden was helping them further their cause.

    18. Re:I wonder... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I always find the cognitive dissonance in views like this amazing. First the government spy agencies are all powerful, able to tap anything and read any communication, then when contradictions come up, such as if they WERE all powerful then why didn't X happen, the "[they] have trouble finding their asses with both hands" type comments fly. Pick a side and take it. Don't try to claim you're standing on both sidelines.

    19. Re: I wonder... by cold+fjord · · Score: 1

      You and your "hero" don't seem to either understand or support democratic governance.

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      much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don't even know that fire is hot - George Orwell
    20. Re:I wonder... by cold+fjord · · Score: 1

      You seem to be building the case that he was a traitor, and embracing it.

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      much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don't even know that fire is hot - George Orwell
    21. Re:I wonder... by cold+fjord · · Score: 1

      Lots of horses? I don't think so. Truly exceptional turncoats like that are once or twice in a generation.

      Snowden is wanted as a fugitive from justice. He has refuge in Russia. That's about all there is to it, your theatre aside.

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      much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don't even know that fire is hot - George Orwell
    22. Re: I wonder... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Edward Snowden is going to go insane before his body gives out. :)

    23. Re:I wonder... by Immerman · · Score: 1

      Possibly so - but if one man gets away with it relatively unscathed, that may embolden the next. Also you have to consider that thanks to exponential population growth modern generations involve a *hell* of a lot more individuals than anything even a few hundred years ago - what was once would have been "once every few generations" rarity can now be reasonably expected to occur many times per generation. Hell, we've already had both Snowden and Manning within a relatively brief window.

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      --- Most topics have many sides worth arguing, allow me to take one opposite you.
    24. Re:I wonder... by Carewolf · · Score: 1

      Lots of horses? I don't think so. Truly exceptional turncoats like that are once or twice in a generation.

      Snowden is wanted as a fugitive from justice. He has refuge in Russia. That's about all there is to it, your theatre aside.

      Yes, we call it political refugees. People who flee and are granted amnesty because they would be prosecuted if they returned to the totalitarian hellhole from where they fled.

  7. The NSA is a spy agency by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's more likely they were spying on the Regin developers, stole their code, and modified it for their own purpose.

    1. Re:The NSA is a spy agency by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Stockholm's syndrome if I ever saw one...
      Are you completely deluded?

    2. Re:The NSA is a spy agency by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not only matter of steal some code, change it and use it..... you also have to actually understand that code, so I definitely believe Regin developers are the same NSA developers! period.

      Makes more sense

    3. Re:The NSA is a spy agency by aralin · · Score: 1

      Occam's razor says not.

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      If programs would be read like poetry, most programmers would be Vogons.
  8. Cyber terrorism ... by gstoddart · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If we did it, it's cyberterrorism. If they do it, it's law enforcement.

    Assholes.

    These clowns are entirely willing to undermine the security of every computer on the planet to get their grubby fingers into everything.

    We need products which keep these guys out, and these guys need a serious beat down in the courts to limit what they can do. A few of them probably should be hung for treason.

    Morally, every black hat should be targeting these agencies to cause as much damage to them as possible -- because the damage they're doing to our freedoms is immeasurable.

    Thanks, America, for leading the charge in fucking up the planet.

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    Lost at C:>. Found at C.
    1. Re:Cyber terrorism ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      We won't be around for much longer.

      Politically, economically and socially deterioration is setting in. This must be like what it was in Rome's last days.

      I was hoping we'd go the way of Great Britain. When they stopped being the World power, the average UK citizen's standard of living went up.

      If we the US were to give up the Carter doctrine, pull out of the Middle East and every where else we have US troops guarding oil supplies, we'd have a much more peaceful planet - gas, OTOH, would go through the roof and our "way of life" of cheap gasoline and perpetual war would end. And unfortunately, too many Americans would rather be at perpetual war and terrorized than have more expensive gas for their pickup trucks and SUVs.

      tl;dr: we Americans are a very short sighted and stupid people.

    2. Re:Cyber terrorism ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      You're mad because all the software available to use is security swiss cheese, and there's nothing you can do about it. But your anger is misplaced. It should be directed at Linus and other "white hat" software developers who *could* write secure software but do not. Linux could be designed so that each app only has access to its own files, not complete user-level access. The kernel could be written in a safe language (a Rust-like language), where minor mistakes wouldn't let hackers take over the whole system. The kernel could cryptographically verify apps and modules. ...except making a safe system is too boring and inconvenient for open-source developers to do, and not demanded by customers of purchased software.

      There's evil all over the world. If the systems are not built to be secure then somebody will take advantage of that. Russia or China, organized crime, dictators. You can't shame all actors and if you manage to get one to stop taking advantage then you haven't really changed anything -- your computer is still wide open to bad guys. So be mad at the programmers for being lazy and careless, because that might actually result in safer systems.

    3. Re:Cyber terrorism ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wait until you realize that they hold your life in the same regard that they do your Internet connection; worthless and ultimately only there to serve their own interests.

      I bet you'll really...bitch on Slashdot again, but with even more lunatic remarks about treason and executions.

    4. Re: Cyber terrorism ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I doubt you're American at all. If I'm wrong about that, then your self-loathing is impressive. :) Ugly as hell and pretty embarrassing, but certainly impressive in its magnitude.

    5. Re:Cyber terrorism ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      A few of them probably should be hung for treason.

      That may (or not) be a bit excessive, but it'd be hard to (legally) accomplish.

      Bring back tar and feathers, I say.

    6. Re:Cyber terrorism ... by Shortguy881 · · Score: 1

      Thanks, America, for leading the charge in fucking up the planet.

      Slight misnomer there. England is leading the charge, the US just likes where they are going and stays in close step.

      --
      Brilliance without wisdom, power without conscience. Ours is a world of nuclear giants and ethical infants.
    7. Re: Cyber terrorism ... by mrchaotica · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It's not self-loathing, it's loathing of tyranny -- a fine, patriotic American tradition.

      --

      "[Regarding the 'cloud,'] ownership was what made America different than Russia." -- Woz

    8. Re: Cyber terrorism ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Calling Americans a stupid people is actually the loathing of tyranny? Huh.. interesting. Seems rather obscure to me.

    9. Re: Cyber terrorism ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Calling Americans who support tyranny through inaction a stupid people is not obscure.

    10. Re:Cyber terrorism ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're mad because all the software available to use is security swiss cheese, and there's nothing you can do about it

      Personally, that is only a minor irritant. I can write new software if required, so there is something I can do about it.

      What has made me angry is that the government is saying that it is fine for them to do the equivelent of breaking into my house, going through my things, and using them to break into other houses. And the reasons?
      1. Because someone else might.
      2. Because I might be doing something wrong.
      3. They want to use my stuff to do something else.
      Note that I can still be charged for any damage that they do using my stuff.

      It is fine to be worried about what criminals might do to me, but it is not good if I cannot trust the people whom are supposed to be there to protect me.

    11. Re:Cyber terrorism ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Kernel MUST be written in a low level language like C for practical and performance reasons.

      SELinux (and TrustedBSD and other MAC frameworks) does provide a lot of application segregation -- the framework is already in the kernel, it's more a matter of nobody wanting to go to the effort of properly using it.

    12. Re: Cyber terrorism ... by cold+fjord · · Score: 1

      Maybe you could be so kind as to point out the "tyranny" being "loathed" in that post?

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      much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don't even know that fire is hot - George Orwell
    13. Re:Cyber terrorism ... by cold+fjord · · Score: 1

      If we did it, it's cyberterrorism. If they do it, it's law enforcement.

      Assholes.

      They are part of the government, you are an individual citizen. Do you somehow not see the difference? Is this a difficult point for you?

      When was the last time that you personally passed a zoning ordinance and fined people for not obeying it?
      When was the last time that you personally arrested and imprisoned someone after their appeal to your personal court failed?
      When was the last time that you imposed and collected taxes?
      Does any of this ring a bell?

      A few of them probably should be hung for treason.

      Until you can reliably discern the difference between the powers wielded by a government and you as an individual citizen you aren't really qualified to make any claims of treason.

      Morally, every black hat should be targeting these agencies to cause as much damage to them as possible -- because the damage they're doing to our freedoms is immeasurable.

      What could possibly go wrong? And of course "black hat" hackers are not a problem in any way.
      To the extend that you aren't "free" it appears to be mainly due to being captive to some crank ideas.

      Thanks, America, for leading the charge in fucking up the planet.

      Unserious and apparently unmedicated.

      Will your spleen be empty any time soon?

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      much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don't even know that fire is hot - George Orwell
    14. Re: Cyber terrorism ... by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

      I've done so on numerous occasions, which you ignore because you're a fascist. Fuck off and die.

      --

      "[Regarding the 'cloud,'] ownership was what made America different than Russia." -- Woz

  9. Mod parent up Re:The NSA is a spy agency by davidwr · · Score: 1

    Out of points or I would do it myself.

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    Knowledge is how to play a game, intelligence is how to win, wisdom is knowing what game to play.
  10. When will there be justice? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How long is it going to take before the American people get fed up with this. The NSA is obviously an out of control agency and has been for years. The people in charge need to start spending LONG prison sentences for their crimes against humanity. And before people start screaming "Think about the terrorists" remember that those in charge (both the NSA, FBI and others) have deliberately chosen to ignore gathered intell about actual terrorist threats (such as 911 and the Boston Marathon bombers). This should prove to everyone that the government considers their own citizens as more of a threat than foreign terrorists.

    1. Re:When will there be justice? by kilfarsnar · · Score: 3, Insightful

      How long is it going to take before the American people get fed up with this. The NSA is obviously an out of control agency and has been for years. The people in charge need to start spending LONG prison sentences for their crimes against humanity. And before people start screaming "Think about the terrorists" remember that those in charge (both the NSA, FBI and others) have deliberately chosen to ignore gathered intell about actual terrorist threats (such as 911 and the Boston Marathon bombers). This should prove to everyone that the government considers their own citizens as more of a threat than foreign terrorists.

      Yeah, but most people don't see it that way. They may not like what the government is doing, but they still buy the terrorism angle. This type of thing isn't what gets people fed up enough to really do something. That comes with hunger or widespread violence, and we should all hope it doesn't get that bad.

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      "What the American public doesn't know is what makes them the American public." -Ray Zalinsky (Tommy Boy)
    2. Re:When will there be justice? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      General Alexander lied to Congress, denied NSA was spying on millions of Americans, pretended the NSA didn't have the technical ability. Has he been punished? Has he been found in contempt of Congress?

      No, he retired, set up a private company which banks pay tens of millions of dollars for some vague service, and the CTO of the NSA is involved as a consultant. In other words this is some NSA front company most likely. Yet another way for NSA to escape legal bounds.

      Tempora, the UK's massive full-take surveillance system, that the NSA queries using its UK base to avoid any legal questions in the US. The one they use to spy on British politicians, press and activists with the help of GCHQ (aka traitors to their democracy). Has any GCHQ staff been prosecuted for that? Quite the opposite, their agents in the Lords are busy trying to amend bills to make it legal!

      So who exactly is going to punish the NSA? Because everyone of those politicians is in the database, and politicians who step out of line find their private lives leaked to the press.

      UKIP MPs are the being targetted now, with their phone calls over the years, leaked. Who records phone calls of people just in case they become political MPs, then selectively leaks the most embarrassing ones? GCHQ and NSA, that's who.

      So no good people will make their way up the political ladder and no fix is possible.

    3. Re:When will there be justice? by Paradise+Pete · · Score: 2

      How long is it going to take before the American people get fed up with this.

      Their elected representatives are to blame. They don't put real pressure on them to clean up their act. And how could they? Considering what it takes to have a career in politics, surely the NSA has too much dirt on each of them. So they occasionally put on a show but that's the extent of it.

    4. Re:When will there be justice? by andydread · · Score: 2

      How long is it going to take before the American people get fed up with this. The NSA is obviously an out of control agency and has been for years. The people in charge need to start spending LONG prison sentences for their crimes against humanity. And before people start screaming "Think about the terrorists" remember that those in charge (both the NSA, FBI and others) have deliberately chosen to ignore gathered intell about actual terrorist threats (such as 911 and the Boston Marathon bombers). This should prove to everyone that the government considers their own citizens as more of a threat than foreign terrorists.

      Is this shown on the news? Have CNN spent a whole 2 days on it like they have a current blizzard of new york? or previously Inflategate? Nope So why whould the unwashed masses be upset if the fucking media is failing to report on it. It's not a blizzard, sports cheating or a plane crash so they are oblivious. We that read slashdot hear about stuff like this all the time. DEA cameras, NSA GCHQ etc. The greater "American people" do not. So they cannot be outraged over something that the media is not reporting.

    5. Re:When will there be justice? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      General Alexander lied to Congress, denied NSA was spying on millions of Americans, pretended the NSA didn't have the technical ability. Has he been punished? Has he been found in contempt of Congress?

      No, he retired, set up a private company which banks pay tens of millions of dollars for some vague service, and the CTO of the NSA is involved as a consultant. In other words this is some NSA front company most likely. Yet another way for NSA to escape legal bounds.

      Not at all. This is not a way for NSA to escape legal bounds but to honor them. There is no point in telling people "this is a fine network you have there. It would be a shame if something would happen to it" if you do not actually have an insurance contract to offer. Where is the use in being the largest collector of blackmail material if you do not have a properly registered and legal payment counter? You don't want to serve time for tax evasion like Al Capone did, do you?

  11. When in doubt, call it a "Snowden document" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I am starting to smell bullshit here. When a reporter needs to make a scoop, all they seem to have to do is just say they pulled out a "Snowden document", and presto, a story. Especially if they feel they need to stir up some anti-American sentiment, which I'm sure some people or countries would love right about now.

    When I took journalism classes in college, anyone writing something and ascribing it to a document that cannot be proven; merely alleged... that would ensure I got an "F" for the coursework. However, I took journalism when you couldn't pull "anonymous sources" out of your ass to "prove" your point either.

    1. Re:When in doubt, call it a "Snowden document" by mean+pun · · Score: 2

      Exactly what are you angry about? The article under discussion is from Kaperski researchers who are describing a relation they discovered between two different strains of malware. One of the strains of malware happened to be mentioned in a der Spiegel article about a recent Snowden revelation, but that is it.

      So be precise: who is claiming something based on an unproven document? What is it that they are claiming? Where do they do that?

  12. A call for Write Protect by Technician · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It is time ro return to the Write Protect Switch. Passwords are no longer effective in preventing firmware alterations by hostile organizations.

    For those old enough to remember them, changing a BIOS required an EPROM burner and UV eraser. Changing CMOS settings required setting the write protect jumper.

    Early infections were restricted to Write Enabled floppies, hard drives for machines with them, and everything else was write protected.

    It is time to return to write protected firmware requiring physical access to alter.

    Our complacency with remote management is showing the error of our ways as we are compromised.

    --
    The truth shall set you free!
    1. Re:A call for Write Protect by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      For those old enough to remember them, changing a BIOS required an EPROM burner and UV eraser. Changing CMOS settings required setting the write protect jumper.

      Well, I had an IBM PC-1, and yes and no respectively.

      Clearing CMOS settings is still done with a jumper. I do wish that all flash BIOS devices had a write protect jumper, though, and it would cost little to add them.

      --
      "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
    2. Re:A call for Write Protect by silas_moeckel · · Score: 1

      Trust as in how do you know jumping through those hoops stops the NSA? Maybe the use the secret courts to require a backdoor, maybe they alter the chips themselves.

      The NSA etc needs a clear directive by the president and congress that this is not ok. As long as they get only a minor slap of do not do that again it will not stop.

      --
      No sir I dont like it.
    3. Re:A call for Write Protect by Technician · · Score: 1

      Some clones not only has the reset/erase jumper, but also has a CMOS write enable. Without it, the CMOS settings could not be altered. Changing the hard drive was one of the few reasons for enabling a write.

      --
      The truth shall set you free!
    4. Re:A call for Write Protect by Ronin+Developer · · Score: 1

      Yup. Changing a bios required physically taking the old one out and popping in a new eprom. At 17, I doubt the NSA cared less about my original IBM PC that came with a cassette tape drive (I couldn't afford single sided floppy drives until a little later..let alone a hard drive until I was 18.

    5. Re:A call for Write Protect by houghi · · Score: 1

      Minor slap? When did that happen? All I heard was that they were called a very, very naughty boy. A slap would be going in the right direction.

      --
      Don't fight for your country, if your country does not fight for you.
    6. Re:A call for Write Protect by mlts · · Score: 2

      The problem is that convenience got ahead of security. Until the hit on Sony, the biggest threat to companies was hardware failure. So, companies went with SAN installations that had RAID6, async replication via WAN, snapshots, multiple tiers, and deduplication. More backups needed? Add more drives, maybe a controller.

      Tape (and also optical, although optical has not kept up with the times when it comes to storage) became something considered a dinosaur.

      This model worked perfectly when the bad guys were logging in to copy off the plans for the next mouse trap, and then go about their business.

      The Sony hack has changed things. It only takes one command issued as root to completely purge an entire SAN of all LUNs and directories. Replication? The remote SAN will happily replicate the deleted directories and zeroed LUNs. Snapshots? Easily deleted.

      Even non storage items are affected. Firmware can be easily zeroed out, and bricking expensive machinery can be a victory for an extremist group looking for publicity.

      As stated above, it is time for physical write protect switches to happen [1], and it is time to start factoring storage tiers with offline (perhaps WORM) media... media that can't be erased with just one command.

      [1]: The best is a physical switch or jumper, but even if it is a button or combination of buttons held down, this is better than what we have now. We should never have left the concept of "flip to writable and boot from clean media to initiate the flash update process" behind in the first place.

    7. Re:A call for Write Protect by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why not just return to the days before digital technology? The 'solution' you propose is impractical and horrendously unscaleable.

  13. NSA = No Sales for Americans by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    People everywhere in the world are trying to avoid buying U.S. products because of many kinds of secret U.S. government actions, not just surveillance.

    NSA = No Sales for Americans

    1. Re:NSA = No Sales for Americans by AHuxley · · Score: 2

      Re: "People everywhere in the world are trying to avoid buying"
      Nations will just revert to paper, number stations and one time pads. Couriers, cults, faith, background investigations that interview friends, generations of family, teachers in person.
      Other nations have systems and trusted staff to revert back to. Expecting junk computer networks to just keep producing real global intelligence was a wonderful boondoggle over decades.
      The "most advanced espionage malware platforms ever studied" would then just find disinformation or limited hangouts been produced for the junk global networks :)

      --
      Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
  14. WE don't need new products by future+assassin · · Score: 1

    The peasants need to standup and say enough is enough.

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    by TheSpoom (715771) Uncaring Linux user here. I have nothing to add to this but please continue. *munches popcorn*
  15. How would the USA react by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    if other countries placed malware on their computer systems? It is nothing short of an attack on sovereign countries, and the world needs to stand up and turn their backs on the US until they are willing to fall in line.

  16. codes? what is this codes you speak of? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Codes? Serious? You do realise that this site is slightly nerdy, and most users have an above average education? Codes? I think you meant CODE! I seriously think you accidentally added the 's' by mistake. Either that, or you don't know the difference between a count noun and a mass noun. Yet somehow I doubt you would refer to an organizations rule book as a "Codes of conduct", or talk about a company "dress codes". You wouldn't refer to a nation's legal statutes as their "Penal Codes". Yet the author of the blurb takes great pleasure in fucking up here. It's my nit, and I'm picking it. When I was in university and turning in papers (even in C.S.), you would be rebuked and thought of as a dumb-ass if you referred to computer software as 'codes'. Trying to ftfy.

  17. found in a keylogger called QWERTY by Paul+Rose · · Score: 1

    What a relief! So if I use Dvorak I'm safe, right?

    1. Re:found in a keylogger called QWERTY by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What a relief!

      So if I use Dvorak I'm safe, right?

      Dvorak????? That's RUSSIAN.

      You just made THE LIST

    2. Re:found in a keylogger called QWERTY by Virtucon · · Score: 1

      I worked with a guy who brought one of those one day to the office. It was very funny couple of days watching him try and use that thing. Of course his retorts of "oh it's better!" "more efficient!" "easier to use!" all went by the wayside when he eventually threw it away.

      --
      Harrison's Postulate - "For every action there is an equal and opposite criticism"
  18. Re:codes? what is this codes you speak of? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    All the codes on all the boxen!

  19. And you said the free software people were looney by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There is a reason we need 100% free software and not this half baked "open source" thing. "Open source" is how proprietary software sneaks in and that's bad. Really bad from a privacy and security perspective. While free software isn't enough to safeguard us all bets are off the second you let proprietary applications in. Nobody intelligent techy person would argue against "once infected all bets are off". Well, that's true for proprietary software too.

    We can point to a heck of a lot of examples of government spyware or those acting on the behalf of rouge corporations utilizing non-free bits to extract untold amounts of information. From non-democratic states creating proprietary keyboard drivers necessary for there own regions languages spying on the citizens of the state to backdoors in proprietary bits of android phones from telecommunications giants in bed with the US government (contracts and whatnot).

    Not only can corporations and the government(s) track where your going (ie GSM modem firmware and by design of the technology itself), but they can also read your emails, log your keystrokes, and even blackmail you without any forensics "expert" being the wiser. Computer forensics was already a joke- but we're wrongly imprisoning people on the flimsiest of of the most unreliable "evidence".

    If your not aware the Free Software Foundation is pushing for the release of code at a hardware level. Not only do they want you to be able to control your applications- but they want you to be able to control your devices too. From drivers to firmware. They have analyzed (for non-free bits, not specifically for security, but its a big start) a number of drivers and firmwares for various chips found in hardware and certified a number of devices as being 100% free software. Check out the Respect Your Freedom certification program @ fsf.org/ryf and help stop big brother.

  20. Is this why Flash Player has endless security fix? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is this why Flash Player has endless security fix?

  21. Researchers Tie Regin Malware To [...] Intel by ArcadeMan · · Score: 1

    That's why I use AMD.

  22. https://archive.today is better! Re:Google cache by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    NT