Slashdot Mirror


White House Drone Incident Exposes Key Security Gap

HughPickens.com writes The Washington Post reports that the intrusion by a recreational drone onto the White House lawn has exposed a security gap at the compound that the Secret Service has spent years studying but has so far been unable to fix. Commercial technology is available that can use a combination of sensitive radar and acoustic trackers to detect small drones, though coming up with an effective way to stop them has been more elusive. "To do something about the problem, you have to find it, you have to track it, you have to identify it and you have to decide what to do with it," says Frederick F. Roggero. "But especially in an urban environment, it would be tough to detect and tough to defeat kinetically without shooting it down and causing collateral damage." Most recreational drones, like the one that crashed Monday, weigh only a few pounds and lack the power to do much harm. Larger models that can carry payloads of up to 30 pounds are available on the market and are expected to become more common. The FAA imposes strict safety regulations on drones flown by government agencies or anyone who operates them for commercial purposes. In contrast, hardly any rules apply to people who fly drones as a hobby, other than FAA guidelines that advise them to keep the aircraft below 400 feet and five miles from an airport. "With the discovery of an unauthorized drone on the White House lawn, the eagle has crash-landed in Washington," says Senator Charles Schumer. "There is no stronger sign that clear FAA guidelines for drones are needed."

13 of 236 comments (clear)

  1. That'll stop the terrorists! by Lumpio- · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Because nobody with bad intentions defies FAA guidelines.

    1. Re:That'll stop the terrorists! by wierd_w · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This is just reactionary policy.

      "Oh noes! SOMETHING GOT INSIDE our SUPER SECURE compound!! Quick, Everybody PANIC!" ...

      I really hate politicians. They never seem to actually think about what they are doing, before proposing then doing it.

    2. Re:That'll stop the terrorists! by TheMeuge · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Actually, we'll just outlaw hobby drones. We can add that to outlawed real chemistry kits and outlawed lasers.

  2. Here it comes by some+old+guy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The Secret Serpents need X millions of dollars to provide a 100% effective defense against a $50 toy. Because terrorists!

    --
    Scruting the inscrutable for over 50 years.
  3. Well... by Dzimas · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I suspect you could also use an unregulated trebuchet to launch something over a fence, or perhaps an unauthorized weather balloon with a payload to drop something on your neighbor's lawn from altitude. Or a slingshot (although those might be illegal within city limits). The notion of a serious "security gap" is farcical because any reasonably intelligent person could come up with a number of clever ways to outwit fences and exclusion zones.

    1. Re:Well... by Baloroth · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The goal of these kinds of security measures isn't to prevent people with malicious intent from breaking them. That is, obviously, impossible. It is to make sure people without malicious intent don't engage in activities which are indistinguishable from malicious activity. That in turn means that if you see people engaging in apparent malicious activity, you can safely assume they are, and operate accordingly (i.e. shoot them, arrest them, etc.)

      --
      "None can love freedom heartily, but good men; the rest love not freedom, but license." --John Milton
  4. Stronger regs ? Try a better radar by Crashmarik · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Seriously, regulate the entire country because somebody's toy landed on the lawn at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave ?

  5. Lack the power to do much harm? by houghi · · Score: 4, Funny

    It could easily carry 3 or 4 nail files and we know how dangerous they are.

    --
    Don't fight for your country, if your country does not fight for you.
  6. Terrorists don't actually follow the rules by raymorris · · Score: 4, Insightful

    TFS says that they don't have a good way to stop a small drone or remote-control plane.
    Therefore, we should make it illegal to fly a hobby toy _______. (Fill in the blank with your favorite regulation).

    I guess they didn't notice that the bad guys don't CARE whether or not it's illegal to use this toy in the city / at night / near Washington / without permission / whatever. The vexing thing about terrorists is that they don't follow the rules, so hanging the rules doesn't effect them - it only effects us.

  7. It's not a drone by Trailer+Trash · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's a toy helicopter. We don't need the FAA to do anything about this - but nannies never let a good "crisis" go to waste...

  8. Water water everywhere by SavSoul · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Just use a water cannon to shoot the things down. The government already consider them safe to use on crowds. It would be very effective against drones. I can't be the only person who thought of this.

  9. Re:and when the next one has a bomb? by Aqualung812 · · Score: 4, Informative

    The scenario you have painted here is a farce.

    While I don't support regulation of drones outside of keeping them away from normal airplane traffic and outside private property, this is hardly a farce.

    This is a 4-lb payload drone that doesn't look more than 1 meter wide. There is even a video showing it dropping a small watermelon from 250ft.

    A M18 Claymore is 3.5 lbs, so this drone could carry one without issue.

    --
    Grammer Nazis - I mod you "troll" unless you actually add something on-topic. Yes, I know I have mispellings in my sig.
  10. Re:Eveyone complaining... by wierd_w · · Score: 3, Informative

    The most powerful IED that could be transported by a recreational drone would be one carrying a model rocket engine. These contain PETN solid fuel, which is a high explosive. With clever design, this solid fuel engine could be used to make a small explosion.

    The problem? This would be at most enough to damage a few windows, and maybe maim somebody at point blank range.

    Thinking like yours would lead to the pre-emptive banning of not only hobby RC controlled aircraft, but also hobby rocketry, and a whole shitload of other innocent hobbies-- all because "Whoooo! Something spooky but unlikely COULD happen, so in order to be "PERFECTLY SAFE", All those things have to be preemptively banned! You dont want somebody to be HURT do you!?"

    When considering civil policy, one has to weigh in the direct AND indirect costs of a policy change on the standard of living and quality of life of the people who are going to be living under that policy. There is too much collateral damage for policy of this kind to justify it, even if it could maybe, theoretically, save a life.

    Other things that can be used to make IEDs? A bag of flour and a box fan with a cigarette lighter.

    You REALLY need to distance yourself from the "MUST FEEL SAFE AT ANY COST!" programming that the government has been pushing. Rational evaluation of that kind of policy shows, consistently, that it leads to a less desirable future than allowing the "Oooh, scary!" things to exist.