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Alibaba Face Off With Chinese Regulator Over Fake Products
hackingbear writes China's State Administration of Industry and Commerce on Wednesday issued a scathing report against one of the country's biggest stars, accusing e-commerce giant Alibaba of failing to do enough to prevent fake goods from being sold on its websites. SAIC said Alibaba allowed "illegal advertising" that misled consumers with false claims about low prices and other details. It claims some Alibaba employees took bribes and the company failed to deal effectively with fraud. Alibaba fired back with charges of bias and misconduct by accusing the SAIC official in charge of Internet monitoring, Liu Hongliang, of unspecified "procedural misconduct" and warned it will file a formal complaint. Such public defiance is almost unheard of in China. Apparently, Alibaba has long attained the too big to fail status.
Why are the headlines so big? Why is there 3 inches of blank space between paragraphs? Why are videos auto-playing on Slashdot now? Go ruin the beta thingy all you want but how about leaving classic, classic...
Alibaba has them. And even some great copies of NGC and PCGS slabbed coins.
This will help ali baba. E-bay had the same problem. I've encountered dozens of fake scams on ali baba. Mostly for watches.
Some drink at the fountain of knowledge. Others just gargle.
Like the bankers, too big to punish. Everybody should know who wears the pants in government-corporate relationships.
“He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
I'm at a complete loss to understand why anybody would purchase anything from a site name Alibaba.
Lets just call ourselves outright thieves, its right there in the title and yet people are surprised when they are sold a bill of goods.
Alibabi is not unique in this regard, Amazon is due for a dressing-down for quite similar negligence. I have bought many supposedly name-brand items, only to realize upon receiving that they are cheap, fraudulent knock-offs. Yet Amazon seems unable or unwilling to address the issue. Reading recent comments, you can sometimes tell, but Amazon does not associate the product supplier with the comments, so there is no way to track which suppliers are providing authentic goods, and which are taking you for a ride.
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I go to Alibaba because they sell cheap knockoffs.
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Kind of fits. Alibaba needs 40 thieves.
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Alibaba was the big shit last fall and I was looking to buy a plasma TV in the 60" range so I checked their site. If I were to believe Alibaba's seller, I could get 5 of them for the same price as 1 TV from Costco. Yeah, that sounds legit.
Three wishes, guaranteed satisfaction, nobody has ever brought us a complaint. Ever.
If I were to believe Alibaba's seller, I could get 5 of them for the same price as 1 TV from Costco. Yeah, that sounds legit.
That's a fairly clear scam, unless you were shopping Sony and they were offering J. Random Brand. But there are real things on there, too. And if you were to buy 5 TVs you probably could get them somewhere close to half off, but you'd have to pick them up from the port for that price.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
If corporate America can offshore the production of its goods to China, displacing US workers, but continuing to keep prices high, then I see this as a fair and just response to that. Cut out the middlemen, it is good for the US consumer, and that's all that matters, right? Just like global trade.
Shouldn't it be "Alibaba faces off", given that this is an American website, and that is the convention on this side of the pond? Also, it sounds cleverer, because Ali Baba faces off, etc etc.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
It's the same gang fuck attitude we saw in the 80' with the atari 2600. Junk carts, moving mfg to asia, fire everyone .This time, it's not a bunch of shit for brains designers / coders and polyester suit wearing sales droids, it's the chinese elite with unlimited capital and a unbridled desire to be a +one percent.
We are truly fucked. Get ready for food riots.
You don't help Alibaba by pointing out what they already know. I'm certainly not going to defend the Electronic Bay of Thieves' business pratices, but Alibaba has built their business on telling you that you are dealing with crooks. They go to great lengths to warn you that the people they hook you up with are not trustworthy and that they will hold your money in escrow for you, while warning you never to deal with the seller directly. Then, when you get cheated, they always side with the seller.
Don't try to kid us that they didn't know crooked things like fraud merchandise is going on. Only in the case of Alibaba it is as likely to be counterfeit SD memory cards or chips as it is to be designer fashions.
I'm an American. I love this country and the freedoms that we used to have.
It's nothing but hustlers and scammers literally breaking Ebays own rules to try and seem legit so you'll mail them your goods while Ebay turns a blind eye when you report them. Alibaba is no better and I'mm back to using craig's list so long as my former military buddy joins me on exchanges so I don't get jacked.
This is all about brands. People who are silly enough to think that overpriced branded goods are better get what they deserve. Those who buy modestly priced unbranded goods on Taobao generally do fine. I've bought lots of tools, electronics, clothes, and household items with no regrets.
I 've only ordered from Alibaba 3 times. The last time I got screwed royally and Alibaba sided with the vendor which was clearly in the wrong. The netherworld will freeze over before I do any more business through them. This is not like dealing with ebay or Amazon. Much, much worse.
Ebay has been the bulk of my experience with this, and they deal with it *VERY* poorly.
MicroSDXC card which is labelled as 32GB but actually rewrites sectors at about 4GB (you won't know until after you used it awhile), ah well they sold that to you too long ago so we won't deal with it, even though it's fraud
DVD series that's boxed nicely but obviously not legit (poor subtitles taken from fansubs, even some eps with scan-lines)... well we'll do something about that *IF* you can prove they're fake by having a professional sign off on it.
Seems China is doing more about it than anyone here. The above are pretty well known issues once you start looking into things, but no charges of "profiting from the proceeds of crime" hitting eBay that I've ever heard of.
Chinese official face their biggest challenge yet: too big to pay bribes.
1. short Alibaba stock
2. post negative official message publicly
3. ???
4. PROFIT !!!
I bought a 32GB USB 3.0 stick from Aliexpress. It said "Toshiba" on it, even though linux would show the vendor as generic. The drive showed 32GB free space. However, it only had 6GB of actual space on it (there are utilities out there that will actually test this). I gave the item 1 star, the lowest possible rating. For the next few days, the vendor was calling my house (yes, I was stupid to put my real phone number on my order - silly me, thinking that I was dealing with professionals, not thugs) at 3am, threatening to continue calling at that time until I changed my review to 5 stars. Only 5 stars would be "a fair review", as they were so keen to say.
So I just unplugged my phone at night for the next month and deleted my Aliexpress account. I had provided Aliexpress' abuse department with emailed threats that I received and voice calls, but they never even replied. Screw them. I'll stick with Ebay, which has a functioning feedback system, or something else that is legit.
Am I reading this right? The Chinese government is actually going to do something about counterfeit products?
Yes they're counterfeit and not "fake", so let's stop using this Chinaplication. It's as poor as using engrish, although the chinese have brought that to new highs, or should I say lows.
I love batteries with crusts...
when they started using third-parties to fulfill a bunch of order that they put their name on. Just another of their shitty anti-consumer business decisions along with the slow-frog-boil that is Prime and the shit filled walled garden that is bootloader locked Kindle.
A lot of sellers give false information about their products, and they get really angry when you complain about it.
Just look for "philips 50000mAh" power banks, for instance.
They often defy physics by having more storage capability per weight than is theoretically possible for LiPo batteries.
LED lights and similar often exaggerate their light output by at least a factor 2, sometimes 10.
That said, I'm happy with quite a lot of aliexpress products, so I think that aliexpress would be great if they started to clear out the false information.