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Safety Review Finds Yucca Mountain Nuclear Waste Site Was Technically Sound

siddesu writes: The U.S. Department of Energy's 2008 proposal to build a nuclear waste repository at Yucca Mountain, Nevada, was technically sound, a report by the NRC says. However, the closed-down project is unlikely to revive, as its staff has moved on, and there are few funds available to restart it. "With the release of the final two volumes of a five-part technical analysis, the commission closed another chapter on the controversial repository nearly five years after President Barack Obama abandoned the project, and more than a quarter century after the site was selected. While the staff recommended against approving construction, the solid technical review could embolden Republicans who now control both houses of Congress and would like to see Yucca Mountain revived."

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  1. Won't be enough by Virtucon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Even if the Nuclear Waste Repository was located on the Moon it would be too close for some people. This was an opportunity lost.

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    1. Re:Won't be enough by Richard_at_work · · Score: 5, Funny

      Hey, we don't want a stray nuclear explosion to send the moon off on a fantastical but low budget trip across the universe, requiring some really bad acting and 1970s styles to come back into fashion!

      That would be horrific :(

    2. Re:Won't be enough by Virtucon · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Martin Landau and Barbara Bain were the shiznit! I won't listen to accusations of bad acting. Hurumph!

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    3. Re:Won't be enough by knightghost · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That's just hoping for magic. The bane of our so-called modern society.

      Yucca has always been an excellent place for mid-term (1k-10k year) radioactive storage - it's politics and corresponding misinfotainment that has destroyed our chances of low carbon safe energy.

    4. Re:Won't be enough by Echo_Hotel · · Score: 4, Interesting

      What makes you think the material is going to be left there for 500 years much less 500,000?
      At some point long before half a million years, reprocessing this waste is going to be economical at some point.
      Plus what the hell man THIS IS SIMPLE BURYING, there's no magic super lead lining these tunnels, this is simply the most geologically stable place where an earthquake / volcano / water table won't crack open the cases, the cases aren't super over engineered for radiation they are over engineered because of nigh impossible demands that these be the last surviving creation of man standing steadfast in their tomb as the Sun goes red giant and engulfs the Earth.
      AND ANOTHER THING
      We CAN process the high level nuclear waste down but we won't because the result can be weapons grade and the last thing we need is another nuclear arms race, especially now with all the people that would be participating.

    5. Re:Won't be enough by Chas · · Score: 2

      Because I'm CERTAIN that it's MUCH safer to just leave storage casks sitting OUT IN THE OPEN IN A PARKING LOT at the plant. Right?
      No possibility of ground water contamination there right?

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  2. Majority leaders home district by Billly+Gates · · Score: 3, Interesting

    That is politics for you.

    Fact is no one wants the waste near them and distrust government and experts. Thank 3 mile island, chernoybl, and even the non nuclear deep water horizon. Promises of safety and advances for all 3 yet failures with lasting consequences create a boy crying wolf scenario whether justified or not.

    1. Re:Majority leaders home district by thaylin · · Score: 2

      Promises of relative safety. That is the problem, people think when people say that there is relative safety that there is absolute safety.

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    2. Re:Majority leaders home district by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 2

      Thank 3 mile island, chernoybl, and even the non nuclear deep water horizon.

      Thank the Soviet propaganda machine. They spent a lot of time in the 50's and 60's pushing an anti-nuke message that spread from its intended target (bombs) to a completely unintended victim (power).

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    3. Re:Majority leaders home district by TWX · · Score: 2, Informative

      The problem is that the storage of nuclear waste isn't passive, it requires active processes to keep the genie in the bottle.

      Reactor 4 at Fukushima Daiichi in Japan wasn't even fuelled when the tidal-wave destroyed the coolant circulation pumps, but the storage pool in the reactor building became a problem because the continual supply of liquid water is necessary in order to keep the fuel safe. The 'cool down' period is very, very long and if the temps get too high then reactions with the other materials in the system (Zirconium at Fukushima Daiichi) can lead to chemical reactions and possible explosions, or can even lead to pressure buildup and steam explosions (Chernobyl, and to a lesser extent, Three Mile Island). Given how the Japanese have been struggling with even determining the conditions inside those four reactor buildings, let alone remedying them, I can see why no one wants this vast spent-fuel facility to be near them, if something serious does go wrong then it the results would be absolutely horrible on a regional scale.

      And of course, if the facility isn't near a nice place to live, it's a lot harder to attract and retain skilled workers that could easily find work at any number of other power plant facilities across the country.

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    4. Re:Majority leaders home district by MightyYar · · Score: 4, Insightful

      At current rates, with no reprocessing or advances in technology.

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    5. Re:Majority leaders home district by MightyYar · · Score: 5, Informative

      The pools aren't necessary forever - 5 to 10 years and then they can be moved to dry casks. Already, over 20% of spent fuel is stored this way. Hardly permanent, as the casks need to be reconditioned/rebuilt every 30-100 years - but not the active process that you describe.

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    6. Re:Majority leaders home district by Virtucon · · Score: 2

      Money.

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    7. Re:Majority leaders home district by GarethIwanFairclough · · Score: 4, Informative

      That shit is poison, a proliferation risk, and it isn't like there is an unlimited supply of fissile material anyway. At best nuclear energy is a stopgap technology. At current rates it is thought that there is a 200 year supply at best... more like 100 years (or less) should consumption double (or triple).

      "Proliferation risk"? Please cite your source!

      "200 year supply at best"? Again, please cite your source.

    8. Re:Majority leaders home district by Virtucon · · Score: 2

      Like Radio Free Europe or Voice of America? Yeah we spend a lot of money putting out our message but they do the same thing. It's still a Spy v. Spy world and they have their propaganda engines and we have ours. There's also feet on the street, right now there's a trial going on in NYC and it really sheds some light into the low budget approach on how Russia pursues it's goals. One of my favorite quotes so far in talking about American Women:

      "I have lots of ideas about such girls, but these ideas are not actionable because they don't allow (you) to get close enough. And in order to be close you either need to (have sex with) them or use other levers to influence them to execute my requests."

      If you take a look at Russia Today, they spew a ton of propaganda, daily, all with English speaking ex-pats or well groomed English speaking Russians. It makes for hilarious viewing sometimes.

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    9. Re:Majority leaders home district by dfenstrate · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The problem is that the storage of nuclear waste isn't passive, it requires active processes to keep the genie in the bottle.

      This is only true for the first 5-10 years after the fuel is removed from the core for the last time. There are dry fuel storage sites all around the country where used nuclear fuel sits in steel casks in concrete bunkers, and is completely cooled by the ambient air and natural convection. This fuel, incidentally, is supposed to be in Yucca mountain.

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    10. Re:Majority leaders home district by blackanvil · · Score: 3, Informative

      Well, if you assume we never reprocess old reactor fuel rods, never exploit breeder reactors, never explore thorium reactors, and never do any more prospecting, he's more or less right. Sadly for him, none of this is true, so we have thousands of years on naturally occurring uranium just from the ocean (contains about 3mg per cubic meter of uranium), a huge number of on-land prospecting claims that have never been investigated, an unknown number of classified resources still undisclosed after the Cold War, and research ongoing into breeders, thorium, and other higher-efficiency nuclear reactors ongoing. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P... has a good analysis of current beliefs about uranium reserves and extraction.

    11. Re:Majority leaders home district by MightyYar · · Score: 2

      No, I think it is completely unacceptable that we don't have a permanent solution in place. I was just responding to TWX's post - which to my reading implied that the spent fuel requires a lot more attention than it actually does.

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    12. Re:Majority leaders home district by tnk1 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Yes, we spent more money. However, understand that the anti-nuclear message causing the anti-power issue was a tactic, not the end goal. The end goal was simply unrest in the West which would affect the West's ability to compete with the Soviet bloc in nuclear armaments. So our money pointed back at them would not have directly counteracted against their propaganda that turned into anti-nuclear NIMBY protests because we used different tactics.

      No one in the USSR would have cared if we sent an anti-nuclear message to them, because they controlled their population to the extent that there would be no actual protest. The West is vulnerable to that because we have the freedom to accept NIMBY-ism. The only people who had the ability to say "not in my backyard" in the USSR would have been the Party leaders, and they were likely already covered.

      So, we didn't encourage them to not use nuclear power, because it would not have had the effect we wanted. Our propaganda was to show the people of the USSR that we were prosperous and non-threatening, while being able to defend ourselves if needed. The best way to do that was free information, blue jeans and rock and roll, not countering anti-nuclear propaganda.

    13. Re:Majority leaders home district by tnk1 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Okay. Idiocracy is a movie. A funny one, with something valid to say, but a movie. If the world got to the point where it even resembled that, civilization would have already completely collapsed or it would be subsisting on automation that the previous generations built. In either case, you have bigger problems than some radioactive waste leaking a little in Nevada.

      Much of Nevada is a marginal place for humans to live to begin with. If there was a catastrophe that eliminated a lot of people, those people wouldn't go living in Nevada near the nuclear waste site. They'd move to the places it was easier to live. Just like before the Black Death in Europe, the development of marginal lands only continued profitably (or at all) while there was high population, and thus demand. Kill off a third of the population, and they stopped developing marginal areas and depopulated them.

      The real risk of the waste site is increased expansion of human civilization which puts a lot of humans near the site. This isn't like Chernobyl or Fukushima where fire and explosions are spreading the material. We're talking more about material leaching into groundwater and things like that. A terrible thing to happen, to be sure, but not exactly a problem if no one is living there.

      Compare this to your Roundup example, and it is apples and oranges. Herbicidal treatments will be applied to locations where weeds need to be killed for food production. That is a much more serious threat compared to some nuclear waste stored in casks under a salt dome in the middle of nowhere.

    14. Re:Majority leaders home district by Linsaran · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Fukushima was bad, but it was nothing even close to Chernobyl.

      Furthermore if you average the damage done to our environment and population across all nuclear accidents ever, it's paltry compared to the amount of damage/loss of life traditional fossil fuels do. The difference is that damage from fossil fuels are like car accidents, small in scale, each one only impacting a few people, but they happen all the time. Nuclear accidents are like airline crashes, they're rare, but the impact of a single 747 going down is considerable, and impacts a lot of people. Most of the time car crashes don't make the news, but every time a 747 goes down people talk about it.

      There have been exactly 2 INES level 7 nuclear disasters in the 70 odd years we've had nuclear power. Even if we take the most liberal estimates of the number of cases of cancer caused by Chernobyl, the total number of deaths related to nuclear power are still somewhere shy of 100,000. (in reality this number is probably closer to 50,000 but it's difficult to say exactly how many additional cases of cancer Chernobyl caused, with a range of between 4000 and 98,500). Coal mining alone averages 1,800 deaths a year, or 126,000 deaths over the past 70 years, and that's not even factoring in other fossil fuels.

      TL;DR nuclear power is the safest cleanest, most viable option that can meet our current and future power needs.

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    15. Re:Majority leaders home district by Mike+Van+Pelt · · Score: 2

      The real risk of the waste site is increased expansion of human civilization which puts a lot of humans near the site.

      Well... go to Google Earth and take a look at what's already there in the general area of Yucca Mountain.

      Search for "Sedan Crater" and start scanning south. That moonscape of craters? Atom bomb test craters, every one, lined with completely uncontained fission products and whatever plutonium didn't get fissioned. (Which is a substantial fraction of each bomb's load.)

      I submit that what is already there is a much bigger hazard than anything that would ever be put in the Yucca Mountain repository.

  3. If only it were POLITICALLY and SOCIALLY sound by NotDrWho · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Nuclear waste disposal isn't an engineering problem, it's a social and political problem.

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    1. Re:If only it were POLITICALLY and SOCIALLY sound by QuantumPion · · Score: 5, Informative

      Nuclear waste disposal isn't an engineering problem

      The folks in Japan working the #4 unit of the Fukushima Daiichi plant would like to have a word with you about this. It was shut-down and defuelled before the tsunami struck, and despite this its spent fuel pool's contents blew the building apart.

      You are misinformed. While the stability of the fuel pools was unknown and a concern at the time of the disaster, it was later determined that they were in fact not leaking, damaged, or in danger. No fuel in storage was compromised. The damage to Unit 4 was caused by the hydrogen explosion of Unit 2.

  4. the problem with how nuclear works in the USA by nimbius · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Unlike many foreign countries including china and india, the US has no civil reprocessing plant for its nuclear waste. Our literal approach to high level nuclear waste is to entomb it in some sort of living grave in the desert and hope for the best; its irresponsible but creates a handful of jobs in Nevada. It also takes pressure off nuclear power companies to invest in reclamation and reprocessing technologies and frees them to simply consume fresh nuclear fissile materials without concern for their total lifespan. The management and operating contractor as of April 1, 2009 for the project is USA Repository Services, a consortium of government contractors, URS Corporation, Shaw Corporation and Areva Federal Services LLC. Yucca mountain was nothing but pork, lemon socialism for a handful of government contractors and the effort could be put to better, more sustainable projects.

    The NRC report is correct! this project was technically feasible. But ethically and morally irresponsible in the 21st century where the vast majority of nuclear generating facilities, including those in russia, operate on a reprocessing model that ensures high-level waste is kept to a minimum. When the Kremlin decided to decomission the Russian navy's 4 story tall akula class submarine, its reactor cores were recycled and its coolant filtered for fissile material. What the state of nuclear power in America means is that if and when we decomission our cold-war fleets, the reactor materials will spend thousands of years idly decaying in some cave in the desert, hoping the next government shutdown doesnt affect them. And if that doesnt concern you then it should be noted in america we import 100% of our nuclear materials from Canada, Khazakstan, or in the past converted russian nuclear munitions as part of a bilateral disarmament treaty. our nuclear infrastructure is not energy independent by any means.

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    1. Re:the problem with how nuclear works in the USA by QuantumPion · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It also takes pressure off nuclear power companies to invest in reclamation and reprocessing technologies and frees them to simply consume fresh nuclear fissile materials without concern for their total lifespan.

      While most of your post I would disagree with, this part is especially wrong. The reason why power companies do not invest in reprocessing and consume fresh fissile material is because by federal law bans it. Remember Jimmy Carter's Non-proliferation deal? Yeah.

    2. Re:the problem with how nuclear works in the USA by smellsofbikes · · Score: 3

      The reason why power companies do not invest in reprocessing and consume fresh fissile material is because by federal law bans it. Remember Jimmy Carter's Non-proliferation deal? Yeah.

      From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N...:

      "In October 1976,[8] concern of nuclear weapons proliferation (especially after India demonstrated nuclear weapons capabilities using reprocessing technology) led President Gerald Ford to issue a Presidential directive to indefinitely suspend the commercial reprocessing and recycling of plutonium in the U.S. On 7 April 1977, President Jimmy Carter banned the reprocessing of commercial reactor spent nuclear fuel. ...
      President Reagan lifted the ban in 1981, but did not provide the substantial subsidy that would have been necessary to start up commercial reprocessing."
      "In March 1999, the U.S. Department of Energy (DOE) reversed its policy and signed a contract with a consortium of Duke Energy, COGEMA, and Stone & Webster (DCS) to design and operate a mixed oxide (MOX) fuel fabrication facility. ... the government has yet to find a single customer, despite offers of lucrative subsidies."

      It's nothing to do with the ban on reprocessing that was only in place from 1977 to 1981, and everything to do with reprocessing being completely uneconomical. If we're going to reprocess, the government has to pay for it, as companies won't, but there are no technical or legislative barriers to doing so, as multiple other countries that are already reprocessing their waste demonstrate.

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  5. Yucca Fraud by mdsolar · · Score: 2

    It is unlikely a brief review could really check for additional fraud beyond what was already discovered. http://articles.orlandosentine... The existence of systematic fraud in the project indicates that no confidence could ever be placed in it.

  6. It's the Mining Stupid by retroworks · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Graham Pickren wrote an excellent Ph.D thesis in 2013 "Political ecologies of electronic waste: uncertainty and legitimacy in the governance of e-waste geographies". While it isn't about nuclear waste, per se, it rather brilliantly describes how industrialized nations apply a "fetishism" to material which tracks downstreams but not upstreams. http://www.envplan.com/abstrac...

    The point of the article is that the dirtiest recycling (or most questionable Yucca storage) is practically always better than the cleanest extraction (mining).... and this applies to the risk at Yucca (for storage) vs. mining uranium in the USA Southwest. Nevada's strangely among the most willing states to allow in situ mining, even when mercury effluent (from gold mining) turns their extraction points into Superfund sites. 14 years ago Nevada and NM legislators were trying to provide the private sector with $30 million to develop environmental restoration technologies for in-situ leach (ISL) mining of uranium. "In a statement from his office in Washington, D.C. Domenici said he decided to remove the ISL provisions from his comprehensive nuclear energy plan in order to calm fears stoked by "substantial misinformation about the legislation." (Gallup Independent, Nov. 10, 2001)"

    Treatment of Planetary Environmental health oddly follows the same "waste centric" obsessions of western medical history. Western medicine is pretty great today, but went through a couple of centuries of giving mercury as a laxative, and being always focused on what comes out of the body rather than the nutrition stream. Closing the "waste deposit" while giving tax incentives to mine uranium is "anal retentive" environmentalism.

    See also Pickren et. al. at AREA Waste, commodity fetishism and the ongoingness of economic life http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com...

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  7. Shows the immaturity of the political system by Karmashock · · Score: 2

    This thing has to be built. And there is a district somewhere that would have it. Put it in Alaska if you really want to put it out in the middle of no where. Possibly on the Aleutian islands if you really need to go nuts with it. There are islands out there that no one lives on. We have many places in the US where no one lives that could host a storage facility. We have nuclear weapons test sites for example that could be used. Might they be as ideal as the yucca mountain site? Possibly not but no one can claim they're going to make once pristine land a nuclear waste dump if the site was literally nuked... repeatedly.

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  8. Re:Hire new staff? by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Its not like the nuke waste has another home to go to. Open the damn thing already.

    Actually, there is a better option: Do nothing. Just let the waste continue to accumulate in the cooling ponds at each individual plant.

    The cooling ponds have sufficient capacity. Security is adequate. The waste is becoming less radioactive as it sits there. So there is no harm in waiting. A few decades from now we will have more knowledge about geology, radiation, engineering, etc., and be in a better position to make a long term decision. It is quite possible that by then we will have power plants that can burn the "waste" as fuel. Even if not, we will have much better robots and other technology that will make processing the material far cheaper than if we did it today. Sometimes procrastination is the best policy.

  9. Nuclear reprocessing is a fiction by edxwelch · · Score: 3, Informative

    Nuclear reprocessing is one of the biggests myths proponed by nuclear advocates.
    Only the plutonium, which is less than 1% of the spent fuel rod, can be really used again as MOX. However the process to seperate the plutonium is a extremely expensive and dirty one, involving pumping low level nuclear waste into the sea.
    The rest of the uranium in the used fuel rod is uneconomical to reprocess because of contaminated with U232 and U-236:

    "No use of reprocessed uranium in French reactors in the near future
    The uranium recovered from reprocessing of spent fuel in France is not expected to be used for the manufacture of nuclear fuel in the near future. French utility EdF rather has made provisions for long-term storage of the reprocessed uranium for 250 years. This was revealed in a report of the French Court of Auditors on the decommissioning of nuclear facilities and the management of radioactive wastes.

    Usage of the reprocessed uranium (REPU) is problematic for several reasons: since the REPU is contaminated with the artificial uranium isotopes U-232 and U-236, special precautions are necessary during processing: the U-232 and its decay products cause elevated radiation doses for the plant personnel, and the U-236 as a neutron absorber requires higher enrichment levels to achieve the same reactivity. In consequence, use of the REPU is not very attractive at present market conditions: conversion is three times more expensive than conversion of natural uranium, and enrichment cannot be done in France's sole enrichment plant (Eurodif gazeous diffusion plant), since the REPU would contaminate the plant's circuits. "