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US Wireless Spectrum Auction Raises $44.9 Billion

An anonymous reader writes: The FCC's recent wireless spectrum auction closed on Thursday, and the agency has raked in far more money than anyone expected. Sales totaled $44.89 billion, demonstrating that demand for wireless spectrum is higher than ever. The winners have not yet been disclosed, but the FCC will soon make all bidding activity public. "The money will be used to fund FirstNet, the government agency tasked with creating the nation's first interoperable broadband network for first responders, to finance technological upgrades to our 911 emergency systems, and to contribute over $20 billion to deficit reduction. In addition, the auction brought 65 Megahertz of spectrum to market to fuel our nation's mobile broadband networks. The wireless industry estimates that for every 10 Megahertz of spectrum licensed for wireless broadband, 7,000 American jobs are created and U.S. gross domestic product increases by $1.7 billion."

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  1. Just curious who decides.. by Virtucon · · Score: 2

    Who decides where the proceeds go for public airwave auctions? I would have thought it would go to the treasury to contribute paying all the bills of the government, not just an isolated project?

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    1. Re:Just curious who decides.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not sure who decides, Congress or the FCC through its delegated powers, but as to where the money goes:

      "Auction proceeds have allowed [the FCC] to claim that it self-funds its own priorities. About $7 billion from this auction will go to pay for a nationwide emergency communications network, something recommended a decade ago by the 9/11 Commission. The rest will be deposited with the Treasury to help pay off the government’s $13 trillion in public debt."

    2. Re:Just curious who decides.. by jratcliffe · · Score: 4, Informative

      Broadly, it is general revenue to the treasury. In this case, a chunk of it was allocated ahead of time. Congress passed (and the President signed) the "Middle Class Tax Relief and Job Creation Act of 2012." That legislation instructed the FCC to find spectrum in this set of bands to auction off, and allocated a portion of the proceeds to (a) defray the cost of moving the existing users of the spectrum and (b) building a public safety wireless network.

      So, the FCC, while it conducts the auction, does so at the request of, and on the behalf of, Congress.

    3. Re:Just curious who decides.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Doesn't matter who decides, this one has already been decided by them, and as you can see by reading where it will "go", it will all be wasted, half of it on less than a single year's debt creating deficit, the rest on military-industrial-commercial-govt waste known as "first responder / 911" security theater... in other words, simply thrown into the furnace and burnt.
      In America, roughly half of your taxes, about 16% of your paycheck, are simply burnt by the people you put in Congress to serve you. Year after year after year.
      How does that make you feel?

    4. Re:Just curious who decides.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      have no illusion, you and I going to pay for this
      as my granny used to say, there is not free lunch

    5. Re:Just curious who decides.. by micahraleigh · · Score: 1

      Why not put it to paying off the $18 TRILLION debt before investors loose all confidence in our ability to repay our debts?

    6. Re:Just curious who decides.. by dj245 · · Score: 2

      Broadly, it is general revenue to the treasury. In this case, a chunk of it was allocated ahead of time. Congress passed (and the President signed) the "Middle Class Tax Relief and Job Creation Act of 2012." That legislation instructed the FCC to find spectrum in this set of bands to auction off, and allocated a portion of the proceeds to (a) defray the cost of moving the existing users of the spectrum and (b) building a public safety wireless network.

      So, the FCC, while it conducts the auction, does so at the request of, and on the behalf of, Congress.

      Usually it is a troubling sign for a government if they are selling off assets and still running a deficit. We see it when small local governments sell off buildings and then rent the very same building back from the person they sold it to. So that leaves the question: "Selling off the spectrum- good thing or bad thing?"

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    7. Re:Just curious who decides.. by nazsco · · Score: 1

      the people dumping the money into campaigns. In this case you can clearly see that the buyers for the spectrum are the ones deciding, since every item listed will result in the government buying services from them.

      "here is 40billion to buy this pipe. but you have to promises to use it to pay to deliver water via that pipe to those places where i plan to install said pipe"

  2. Always Check the Source by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    The wireless industry estimates that for every 10 Megahertz of spectrum licensed for wireless broadband, 7,000 American jobs are created and U.S. gross domestic product increases by $1.7 billion

    I estimate that for every million dollars I receive, I create 8,000 American jobs and increase gross domestic product by $3 billion. They should talk to me before spending all the money they got from this auction.

    1. Re:Always Check the Source by thieh · · Score: 1

      You are suggesting you can provide a fiscal multiplier effect of 3000 which is not consistent with current economic estimates.

    2. Re:Always Check the Source by Virtucon · · Score: 1

      no.. My question relates to who decides where the proceeds go. This is a public auction, licensing public airwaves. Who makes the determination where the proceeds go. The money should go to the Treasury and it's dispensation determined by congress.

      All Bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with amendments as on other Bills.”
      — U.S. Constitution, Article I, section 7, clause 1

      “No Money shall be drawn from the Treasury, but in Consequence of Appropriations made by Law; and a regular Statement and Account of the Receipts and Expenditures of all public Money shall be published from time to time.”
      — U.S. Constitution, Article I, section 9, clause 7

      So who in the government approved funding for this new national response network from these proceeds?

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    3. Re:Always Check the Source by Echo_Hotel · · Score: 1

      I think AC's point is that the "Wireless Industry" may be inflating or simply making up numbers to encourage Government cooperation.

    4. Re:Always Check the Source by jratcliffe · · Score: 4, Informative

      Congress and the President did. It's Title VI, Subtitle D of the "Middle Class Tax Relief and Job Creation Act of 2012."

      http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/P...

  3. Any free bands by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Are there any free bands in that mix for the rest of us? For the likes of 802.11a/b/g/n/ac? I would say those free bands has done more.

  4. It's a regressive tax. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    A mobile phone is practically a necessity. The cost recovery on such massive "investment" is nothing more than a regressive tax. Well, actually, it's also a great barrier to entry.

    1. Re:It's a regressive tax. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      how on earth can we possibly survive without this wireless gadget!

    2. Re:It's a regressive tax. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > how on earth can we possibly survive without this wireless gadget!

      That is true. For example, if you are unemployed, you need a phone to get a job. Modern life requires the ability to communicate.

    3. Re:It's a regressive tax. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A mobile phone is practically a necessity.

      "You're a fucking liar."

      , says little Johnny, as he shoves two of them in his pocket and heads off to work..

    4. Re:It's a regressive tax. by Echo_Hotel · · Score: 1

      It's called copper you should look into it, very good conductor I hear.
      Plus if you are unemployed what are you doing wandering around away from home and your land line anyway.

    5. Re:It's a regressive tax. by danbob999 · · Score: 1

      You can get a VoIP landline with a voicemail for close to free. Cellular access is not a necessity for finding a job.

    6. Re:It's a regressive tax. by SydShamino · · Score: 0

      Land lines are more expensive than cell phones. Why would an unemployed person have one?

      And why do you assume that an unemployed person has a home?

      And, if someone is unemployed and has a home, shouldn't they be out looking for a job all day, rather than sitting around hoping someone will call them? If they're sitting at home, they can't apply for jobs unless they also have internet access, which in your world must be an incredible luxury for the unemployed. Do you propose that they give out the land line number for the public library as their resume contact?

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    7. Re:It's a regressive tax. by SydShamino · · Score: 2

      And how do you pay for the "IP" part of that "VoIP" if you don't have a job? It makes 10000x more sense to keep a prepaid cell phone than home internet access when you're unemployed. You can also go to the library for internet access, or to apply for jobs, etc., but if you're contacted by a recruiter you need to pick up the phone whether you're at the shelter getting dinner, or at the library, or in the bathroom.

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    8. Re:It's a regressive tax. by danbob999 · · Score: 1

      It makes 10000x more sense to keep a prepaid cell phone than home internet access when you're unemployed.

      I disagree. It's 2015, but would have said the same thing 10 years ago. You need Internet and an email address to find a job. Also without Internet, you will end up using that prepaid cell phone a lot, as it will be your only communication with the outside world.

      but if you're contacted by a recruiter you need to pick up the phone whether you're at the shelter getting dinner, or at the library, or in the bathroom

      When you have home Internet you will end up spending most of your job-less time there. Also if you are that poor so that you can't afford Internet (doesn't even need to be fast), then I don't see why you should be dinning at restaurants anyways as it's much more expensive. Last time I checked, a bathroom was still part of most people's houses and a cordless phone is cheap enough.
      Anyway my view is that if the employer call to give you an interview and doesn't leave a message or send an email if you don't answer right away, you weren't going to get that job.

    9. Re:It's a regressive tax. by cayenne8 · · Score: 1
      Goodness.....how did we survive at all, in those few short years ago before cell phones became so ubiquitous?

      I mean, none of us were remotely able to find and get jobs back in the dark ages of the late 90's and early 2000's. Yep, we all lived in caves, some with the luxury of landlines, and almost no internet connectivity for most.

      Yep, we were all pretty agrarian, farm families at home with no hope of finding a job outside, nor communicate with anyone further than the end of the block.

      Seriously, this wireless and instant communication is a very recent thing....while it makes things MUCH more convenient, it isn't a necessity. If you're very poor, you get your ass out and find out what you need to do. The unemployment office will help you too these days still.

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    10. Re:It's a regressive tax. by sjames · · Score: 1

      Back then, potential employers understood that they would need to call early or late and probably leave a message. Or, they might, God forbid, decide to hire you on the spot. Now, you answer the phone when they call or they move on.

  5. And more importantly ... by gstoddart · · Score: 4, Informative

    The wireless industry estimates that for every 10 Megahertz of spectrum licensed for wireless broadband, 7,000 American jobs are created and U.S. gross domestic product increases by $1.7 billion.

    And more importantly, this correlates to a 5% increase in executive compensation, and a 2% increase in the hookers and cocaine fund.

    This will also increase the pool for bribing politicians by an additional 1.5%, ensuring the best opportunities to purchase favorable legislation.

    CEOs are said to be pleased with the forecasted pillaging of the American public, and look forward to raising your rates and finding new and creative ways to give you less for your money, while optimizing long-term executive compensation.

    Suckers.

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    1. Re:And more importantly ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Suckers indeed.

      And it annoys me that when people issue estimates and then others take it as fact. Put some numbers under people's noses and they take it as gospel and never question where the hell those numbers came from. Oh, and engineers are just as bad, if not worse, than everyone else.

  6. Unbiased estimates... by JoeIsuzu83 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The wireless industry estimates that for every 10 Megahertz of spectrum licensed for wireless broadband, 7,000 American jobs are created and U.S. gross domestic product increases by $1.7 billion."
    Yes, of course they do. That's a nice press release for both the wireless industry, and the politicians they paid for.

    1. Re:Unbiased estimates... by interkin3tic · · Score: 1

      Hey now! Press releases from the wireless industry and political bribery on the part of the wireless industry generates an additional forty thousand jobs a year! If you question these stats, that risks two hundred billion jobs!

  7. Great financial justification by bradley13 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "The money will be used to fund FirstNet, the government agency tasked with creating the nation's first interoperable broadband network..."

    You could just as well put the money in a pile and burn it. Heck, given the inevitable follow-on costs, burning it would be cheaper...

    "...contribute over $20 billion to deficit reduction". Meaning it's going into the general fund, where it will be promptly spent three or four times over, each time with the justification that the expenditure has already been paid for by the wireless auction.

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  8. Spectrum by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 3, Funny

    Yellow everybody. Let's hope those who lost out in this auction aren't feeling blue about it. It'd be understandable to be green with envy, sure, but I hope no-one's seeing red, because the last thing we want is for things to turn violet. Orange you glad this hasn't happened? Best just to heave a cy-an move on.

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    1. Re:Spectrum by d34thm0nk3y · · Score: 1

      They only sold one color: Infrared

  9. Public...sure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nice to auction something that one does not own.

  10. This will be fun by houghi · · Score: 1

    I remember when they held sales in Belgium and the rest of Europe over the UMTS licences. That did not go over well for some companies. Fun times loosing my job because they needed to make good on that money they spend. Well, not just me, in the end 50% of the company and it went downhill from there.

    The reason I am against this is that even though it is extra money for the government, it will mean that people will still have to pay for it, so in reality it is a tax.

    It also removes any real option of competition.

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    1. Re:This will be fun by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      now if only the sentence was constructed to order the colour words as ROYGBIV

  11. $45 Billion is just another tax, different form by Trachman · · Score: 3, Interesting

    $45 Billion? True, this is the amount raised. All of it has been paid to Uncle Sam.

    The same amount of $45 Billion is also telecomunication companies' best estimate, a modelled amount, equal to the net present value of all their clients' prospective fees, less their expenses, to be collected in the future.

    If a customer would ever ask a question, why his wireless service bill is so high, he would be given an answer that the bill includes amortization of $45 Billion of previously capitalized expenses, which companies had to pay.

    The GDP increase by $1.7 B is merely an additional tax, that the parties will need to pay, and represents increase in prices that the customers will sooner or later pay.

    1. Re:$45 Billion is just another tax, different form by danbob999 · · Score: 1

      So would you rather have no auction at all and the spectrum be given for free to the first company to ask for it?

    2. Re:$45 Billion is just another tax, different form by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Government should not be creating monopolies.

    3. Re:$45 Billion is just another tax, different form by jandrese · · Score: 4, Insightful

      One could argue that the Government didn't create the monopolies here, physics did. There's only so much spectrum and it doesn't work if multiple people are trying to use the same frequencies at the same time in the same area.

      Unless you can find the political will to separate highly regulated tower operators and the phone carriers (so airtime would be a utility and there would be competition with the carriers), then it's always going to be like this. It could be worse, at least there is some competition in the wireless space. It's not wireline broadband.

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    4. Re:$45 Billion is just another tax, different form by danbob999 · · Score: 1

      That's why the government usually has rules so that a single company can't buy the whole spectrum.

    5. Re:$45 Billion is just another tax, different form by ImdatS · · Score: 1

      Couldn't the government lease it to the TelCos? For e.g., a limited-time lease (5-10) years with either a fixed amount (increasing on a yearly basis) or a certain percentage of revenues generated?

      Didn't think this through completely, but this might generate more cash to the government. Also, there could be some strings attached so that no actual monopolies arise...

      Just a thought.

    6. Re:$45 Billion is just another tax, different form by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's sure does work - we would not have WIFI or bluetooth if it didn't. If it does not work in your area it's because Govenment has not released any more spectrum for ISM or UNII.

      IoT industry is booming and government rather make a buck and forsake competition.

    7. Re:$45 Billion is just another tax, different form by circletimessquare · · Score: 3, Informative

      and that's exactly how wireline should work

      government should build and maintain the fiber, and companies should lease it for any and every service, comprehensive or fractional, that the free market commands

      the current american system is a fucking joke- there's no competition in wireline because the barrier to entry is too high, it's just too expensive to build the shit

      so we have a monopoly. it should be the government that governs it. because letting an economic parasite drain us like a vampire for shoddy service is certainly worse than any criticism you want to level at government, and competition from google isn't coming for another 40-50 years to your town

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    8. Re:$45 Billion is just another tax, different form by jandrese · · Score: 1

      Have you ever tried to use WiFi in a crowded apartment building? Do you want the same experience with cellphones? It works for WiFi and Bluetooth only because their ranges are so short that you usually don't get much interference. That solution obviously won't work for cell phones. Nobody wants to have to find the nearest cell tower and drive over to it to use their phone.

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    9. Re:$45 Billion is just another tax, different form by bws111 · · Score: 1

      Wifi only works because of the very short range it has. And more to the point, if your Wifi does not work because of interefence from someone else there is nothing you can do about it.

    10. Re:$45 Billion is just another tax, different form by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Right, because few companies in a market as large as USA makes for free market. That's what Comcast would like you to believe.

    11. Re:$45 Billion is just another tax, different form by itzly · · Score: 1

      Monopolies create themselves. Government is needed to prevent that.

    12. Re:$45 Billion is just another tax, different form by itzly · · Score: 1

      government should build and maintain the fiber

      Not necessarily. Where I live, the physical infrastructure is owned by various private companies. There is however regulation that forces these companies to lease bandwidth to others, for a reasonable fee. This works well in practice.

    13. Re:$45 Billion is just another tax, different form by MozeeToby · · Score: 1

      If a customer would ever ask a question, why his wireless service bill is so high, he would be given an answer that the bill includes amortization of $45 Billion of previously capitalized expenses, which companies had to pay.

      And this would be a lie. The only reason cell bills are high is because that is the price people are willing to pay.

    14. Re:$45 Billion is just another tax, different form by puzzled_decoy · · Score: 1

      What if the government builds out the physical infrastructure to store all the wire, and then rents out the space on a per-foot basis? You could have multiple fiber lines per area, this way, and increase both competition and reliability.

    15. Re:$45 Billion is just another tax, different form by mr_mischief · · Score: 1

      Typically the homeowners and business owners own the land, the government demands a right of way through it or above it (for pole-hung services), then leases that right-of-way to too few companies.

    16. Re:$45 Billion is just another tax, different form by circletimessquare · · Score: 1

      i see that as a half measure but i still approve, it is an improvement over the status quo elsewhere. how expensive is your cable bill?

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    17. Re:$45 Billion is just another tax, different form by circletimessquare · · Score: 1

      additionally, no one wants their roads constantly dug up by various companies all the time, or the poles by their house an ugly rats nest of various cables

      better: one cable, fractionally leased

      as tech improves and one cable means much more bandwidth, government progressively upgrades the single cable, and has more bandwidth to lease

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    18. Re:$45 Billion is just another tax, different form by itzly · · Score: 1

      Not sure about cable, but I have a choice of 6 different companies providing internet at my address, with prices between 20 and 40 EUR/month. I picked the most expensive one, but they offer a fixed IPv4 address, and let me run my own servers, including SMTP.

    19. Re:$45 Billion is just another tax, different form by circletimessquare · · Score: 1

      oh, EUR, euro

      you guys understand the concept of a natural monopoly so much better than americans

      in the usa we believe letting a rent seeking parasite siphon more money for shoddier service, and buying off our government to keep the arrangement, such as with healthcare, is "capitalism." and anyone who suggests dealing with natural monopolies as they should be dealt with: government control or heavily regulated, as you describe, is "evil socialism"

      propagandized morons

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    20. Re:$45 Billion is just another tax, different form by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Physics doesn't drag you away in chains when you retune your radio.

      Captcha: Repress

    21. Re:$45 Billion is just another tax, different form by mr_mischief · · Score: 1

      This is the ideal, yes. Possibly with a lower bandwidth point-to-tower connection for sideband and failover.

  12. Why Sell, they should Rent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    As spectrum is a finite resource, why sell it, instead of rent it? It goes up in value each year, so the stuff we sold years ago is now worth MUCH more than we sold it for.
    And, since the frequencies are owned by the general public, why the transfer to private corporations, who then hide income offshore? Heck, if the feds put up cell towers and little buildings to house the radios, they could easily earn enough money to fund the government's basic needs for MANY years to come.

    1. Re: Why Sell, they should Rent by MarkH · · Score: 2

      Now that is an interesting idea. Create a marketplace for leasing spectrum to commercial market on bandwidth range,duration and Locality.

      Far better than mass block allocation in perpituaty.

    2. Re:Why Sell, they should Rent by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      why sell it, instead of rent it?

      Same reason people don't renovate leased buildings. Why invest in something when it isn't yours. I certainly would be thinking twice about providing 100% coverage anywhere if there was a risk that in a few years time my investment would be for nothing. The only solution then is really long term leases, but at that point what is the difference between the lease and the sale?

  13. Why not distribute this as a basic income to all? by Paul+Fernhout · · Score: 1

    Just like Alaska does with its "Permanent fund"?

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  14. Yes, we should give it away for free! by Kludge · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Yes, we should give that obviously highly valuable wireless spectrum to cell phone companies for free! Because they will pass those savings directly to us, and not horde the profits for themselves!

  15. Spectrum is measured in Hz? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can someone explain what "65 Megaherz of spectrum" looks like? Did they buy up the rights to broadcast on all frequencies between 0 and 65 Mhz?

    1. Re:Spectrum is measured in Hz? by jeffb+(2.718) · · Score: 4, Informative

      The space between 100 MHz and 165 MHz would constitute 65 MHz of spectrum. So would the space between 1 GHz and 1.065 GHz, or 1 KHz and 65.001 MHz.

      According to this US government source, this auction was for 1695-1710 MHz, 1755-1780 MHz and 2155-2180 MHz -- a 15 MHz band and two 25-MHz bands, totaling 65 MHz.

      To a first approximation, 65MHz of spectrum gives you a fixed amount of capacity, regardless of its start and end points.

    2. Re:Spectrum is measured in Hz? by MagicM · · Score: 1

      This threw me off too, because "65 million cycles per minute of spectrum" hurts my brain.

      However, "spectrum" is defined as "frequency range", similarly to how you can talk about "temperature range". If today's high temperature is 70F (20C) degrees and the low temperature is 50F (10C) degrees, then today's temperature-range is 20F degrees or 10C degrees. To define the range you need to include the unit in which the end points of the range are measured.

      I still want to call the temperature range "20 F-temperature-points" and the spectrum "65 Mhz-frequency-points", but maybe that's because I skipped lunch. I shouldn't skip lunch.

    3. Re:Spectrum is measured in Hz? by Wrath0fb0b · · Score: 1

      To a first approximation, 65MHz of spectrum gives you a fixed amount of capacity, regardless of its start and end points.

      No, that's a zeroth approximation. To a first approximation, 65Mhz of spectrum gets you capacity linearly proportional to the frequency.

      Of course, in reality there's a few more nasty surprises -- higher frequencies can carry more capacity but have much worse penetration through obstacles. Lower frequencies give better coverage at the cost of capacity. That's why shoving T-Mobile and Sprint up in the 1800+ nosebleeds means they will never get the coverage range of VZ and ATT down in the 700-800 range.

    4. Re:Spectrum is measured in Hz? by itzly · · Score: 1

      Not according to the link you provided, which says:

      In 1927, Nyquist determined that the number of independent pulses that could be put through a telegraph channel per unit time is limited to twice the bandwidth of the channel.

      In this case, bandwidth would be 65MHz. The carrier frequency isn't mentioned in the Nyquist relation.

    5. Re:Spectrum is measured in Hz? by jeffb+(2.718) · · Score: 1

      No, that's a zeroth approximation. To a first approximation, 65Mhz of spectrum gets you capacity linearly proportional to the frequency.

      I don't think so.

      I am out of my depth here somewhat, so I may be completely wrong. But I think that any frequency band of a given width has the same information capacity as any other, given identical signal/noise. That's what the first equation on the Wikipedia page you linked seems to state -- there's no separate term for "base frequency" of your channel. There are fairly simple techniques for transforming a "passband" (a band starting or centered at a higher frequency) to a "baseband" signal (starting at DC, or 0 Hz) -- and, of course, vice-versa.

      You seem to be saying that the band from 1 GHz to 1.1 GHz would give you half the capacity of the band from 2 GHz to 2.1 GHz. I'm pretty sure that's wrong, and that the two bands, each 100 MHz wide, have the same Shannon capacity (again, given identical signal/noise).

      Of course, in reality there's a few more nasty surprises -- higher frequencies can carry more capacity but have much worse penetration through obstacles. Lower frequencies give better coverage at the cost of capacity. That's why shoving T-Mobile and Sprint up in the 1800+ nosebleeds means they will never get the coverage range of VZ and ATT down in the 700-800 range.

      Yep, that's one of the higher-order issues, along with interference from adjacent bands, broadband noise from power electronics, atmospheric propagation differences, cost of components capable of operating in the target band, and lots of other stuff.

    6. Re:Spectrum is measured in Hz? by MattskEE · · Score: 1

      Nope, reread your link. Channel capacity (at a given signal to noise ratio) is proportional to bandwidth alone. 1.000GHz to 1.065GHz is as good as 20.000GHz to 20.065GHz.

      But as you say higher frequencies often have worse propagation characteristics, especially through buildings, which reduces channel capacity by reducing the signal to noise ratio.

  16. Public goods by DriveDog · · Score: 0

    First, how do you square selling a public good to private parties? Second, it wouldn't be hard to demonstrate that the good to the economy of allocating it without charge intelligently would exceed the auction's proceeds. Third, the proceeds don't come out of thin air. That's money that we'll all be paying the "winners" in the future. So as usual, it's using resources from the future in the present.

    1. Re:Public goods by msauve · · Score: 0

      It's completely illegitimate. Nowhere does the US Constitution grant the federal government the power to sell public resources to private interests. The closest is the "takings clause," which is exactly the opposite, taking private property for public use.

      Furthermore, nowhere is spectrum mentioned (of course, it wasn't known about at the time), so it should be covered by the 10th Amendment, and left to the states. Before someone claims that the nature of spectrum demands federal oversight due to it's pervasive nature, I'll point to Europe and elsewhere with closely situated political divisions.

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    2. Re:Public goods by bws111 · · Score: 1

      How do you square selling a piece of land to private parties?

    3. Re:Public goods by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sweet jeebus don't involve the states in this. Last thing we need is each state walking in with their hand out.

    4. Re:Public goods by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      Connecting all four points?

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    5. Re:Public goods by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd have to agree with that. Anything the Federal government can screw up, the states can make worse. Spectrum important enough to have an independent entity, much like the Federal Reserve, governing it, whose charter is to make decisions in the public interest. And by public, I do mean citizens, actual people.

  17. I love the smell of deficit reduction in the morni by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

    > Sales totaled $44.89 billion

    Yey! We can put off borrowing for 14 days!

    > [of which] contribute $20 billion to deficit reduction

    Yey! I mean 6 days!

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  18. Thanks a lot by AndyKron · · Score: 1

    And us 99% get shit on. THX

  19. Open Spectrum by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is where kickstarter really should step up. A nice little chunk of spectrum for hobbiest to play with. HAM, I know, I know, but there are some severe restrictions on HAM broadcasts. But, of course, we can't have anyone but corporations using wireless spectrum ... because, well, yeah...because.

    Bah humbug.

    1. Re:Open Spectrum by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hams?
      We need to clear them out of their UHF allocations, and re-allocate to services people will actually use

    2. Re: Open Spectrum by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Short sighted comment. Realize that much of the wireless innovation you currently enjoy (including WiFi) was developed by amateur radio enthusiasts, whom many are leading RF engineers in real life. Be careful what you ask for.

  20. It's a safety issue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For security reasons public should not have access to free radio waves. It's much safer in hands of few giant companies that already made concessions to surveillance demands and are guaranteed to cooperate in the future.

  21. So, in other words... by ItsJustAPseudonym · · Score: 1

    ... my job is worth 1428.57 Hz?

    1. Re:So, in other words... by k6mfw · · Score: 1

      ... my job is worth 1428.57 Hz?

      hertz or hurtz? sorry I couldn't pass this one up. I do what you did with the math, like what someone did in article about Apple app store of $10 billion created 627,000 jobs that results in one job of $15948.96.

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    2. Re:So, in other words... by k6mfw · · Score: 1

      I hit reply too soon, wanted to say I like what you did with the math. It is true one job is worth 1428.57 Hz but is meaningless like the App Store math (a few developers made much larger than $16K and most made only pennies). Also illustrates selling spectrum to reduce deficit is meaningless as well.

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  22. Re:Why not distribute this as a basic income to al by ColdWetDog · · Score: 2

    Because the Alaska Permanent Fund takes a small amount of revenue from the oil recovery fees and puts it in a managed fund whose interest is dispersed to the couple of hundred thousand humans left in this mosquito infested swamp. It has a total capitalization of about 45 billion dollars, roughly the same as the spectrum sales.

    However, Alaska's population is roughly 735,000, the US 316,000,000. Assuming the same long term returns, the average US citizen would get about $1.80 per year. On a good year.

    Disbursement of government money to the masses doesn't really do much. It is arguably different in Alaska since outside the 'big' cities, a significant fraction of the population is at a subsistence level and the close to $1000 we get each year makes a big difference. But many people have argued that the fund would do better if it were more intelligently managed. Of course, that term is defined differently by different people,

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  23. WiFi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We need more class license WiFi bands, I couldn't give a shit about corporate greed of commercial use.

  24. Cognitive Radio by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can't believe no one else is saying this, but forget auctions, forget renting, forget discrete allocations altogether. Dynamic spectrum management makes infinitely more sense in a world of cheap and ubiquitous microcontrollers.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_radio

  25. US$560 for a family of four is significant by Paul+Fernhout · · Score: 1

    There is another way to look at it. Using your figures, the total amount per US person is about US$142. That is for a ten year lease of the spectrum if I recall correctly, so we can expect a similar amount again in another decade. So, that is about US$14 per person per year during that time (well, a little more, with interest as the money if the money is received up front). For a family of four, that is about US$56 per family per year ignoring interest. That could be a month or two of cell phone service on a cheap plan -- or even half a year for one phone on a very cheap plan (like Ting's cheapest). Or, with the entire amount up front (US$560 per family), that could be the cost of an unlocked current smartphone or, say, two current Chromebooks, or, say, a Chromebook and a "FreedomBox" or such as a home server, or, say, a new Raspberry Pi educational kit every three years. Or it might just cover an otherwise-missed mortgage payment during the next decade. US$560 in various ways could make a *big* difference to a lot of lower middle class people living paycheck to paycheck on the edge in the USA.

    Given that whoever got the spectrum will undoubtedly charge more for it given these up front costs, it seems only fair for families to get some money to offset those extra costs.

    It's true though that some US states already have a free-to-the-user limited cell phone plan for very poorest people on Welfare, an one might argue in theory this money should also go to something like that -- but probably less fairly IMHO compared to a needs-blind cost, otherwise it becomes a hidden "tax" on everyone. I would argue that the current approach, to put the money to deficit reduction, is similarly just a hidden tax of US$560 on every US family -- where the tax for deficit reduction is paid by higher cell phone fees. Since the poorest people probably spend the greatest percentage of their income on cell phone service (which is becoming a necessity of mainstream US life), the plan to use the money to pay back the deficit is a terribly *regressive* tax as a way to pay back the deficit. This also ignores both that the deficit creates the US money supply and also that much of it can be considered to be underwriting problematical optional war spending like the Iraq war. So, rather than get US$560 in the family pocketbook, each US family instead sees a tighter money supply (so, higher credit card interest) and also probably yet more war spending since there was no real accounting for the previous spending (other than this new hidden cell phone tax).

    Related:
    http://costsofwar.org/article/...
    "The increased military spending following 9/11 was financed almost entirely by borrowing."

    As an aside, the theory of auctioning off (or "privatizing") the spectrum is probably based on some notion of "highest economic use", in the theory that whoever would pay the most for the spectrum would make the most use of it for the most benefit to the most people. But in reality, such auctions may just be putting resources in the hands of people (and their organizations) that may have the most capital (including trademarks and good will) and think they are best at "rent seeking" to extract the most money from the most people regardless of what they can deliver. Again, distributing the funds raised at least partially protects people from that -- however, it is still not enough in many cases. Ideas like the open WiFi spectrum are alternatives, and are helping a lot of people in a lot of ways. Other ideas include "ham" like regulations on the use of some frequencies.

    Right now, almost everyone 65 or older (roughly) gets a basic income in the USA of about US$1000 - US$2000 per month via "Social Security" as well as health care via Medicare. Is that not significant? That makes a big difference to a lot of people and even their children. So, I feel it is hard to generalize that "Disbursement of government money to the masses doesn't really do much". Grant

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  26. First Net will still run after internet kill switc by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Holy crap... I remember a time when /. would be all over the important part of this story...

    So now when marshall law is declared.. internet kill switch is thrown...

    Gov can still communicate while you can't