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George R. R. Martin's "The Winds of Winter" Wiill Not Be Published In 2015

Dave Knott (2917251) writes George R.R. Martin's "The WInds Of Winter", the fifth book of his bestselling fantasy saga "A Song Of Ice And Fire" (known to television fans as "Game Of Thrones") will not be published in 2015. Jane Johnson at HarperCollins has confirmed that it is not in this year's schedule. "I have no information on likely delivery," she said. "These are increasingly complex books and require immense amounts of concentration to write. Fans really ought to appreciate that the length of these monsters is equivalent to two or three novels by other writers."
Instead, readers will have to comfort themselves with a collection, illustrated by Gary Gianni, of three previously anthologised novellas set in the world of Westeros. "A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms" takes place nearly a century before the bloody events of the A Song of Ice and Fire series. Out in October, it is a compilation of the first three official prequel novellas to the series, The Hedge Knight, The Sworn Sword and The Mystery Knight, never before collected.

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  1. Damn the editor by kakaburra · · Score: 5, Informative

    Fifth book? SERIOUSLY?

    1. Re:Damn the editor by sexconker · · Score: 5, Informative

      For those who don't know:

      Published
      A Game of Thrones
      A Clash of Kings
      A Storm of Swords
      A Feast for Crows
      A Dance with Dragons

      Not yet published
      The Winds of Winter
      A Dream of Spring

    2. Re:Damn the editor by MightyMartian · · Score: 5, Funny

      Eagerly awaiting the sequel series:

      A Poop for Penguins
      A Tit for Tyrion
      Another Tit for Tyrion
      A Gaggle of Geese
      Yet Another Tit for Tyrion
      A Bunghole of Bratwurst

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    3. Re:Damn the editor by SeaFox · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Eagerly awaiting the sequel series:

      A Poop for Penguins

      The two questions on everyone's mind...
        1) Is that going to be a LTS release?
        2) Does it have systemd?

  2. Apologies for slight errors in the article by davidknott · · Score: 4, Insightful

    My apologies for the typo in the summary and also this factual error: "The Winds Of Winter" is the sixth book in the series, not the fifth as stated in the article.
    I brought it to the attention of the editors in a comment on the submission, but I think they posted the article to the front page before they noticed my correction. Mea Culpa!

    1. Re:Apologies for slight errors in the article by killkillkill · · Score: 4, Funny

      Don't feel too bad, I don't think those even count as errors by slashdot submission standards. At least it was intelligible english.

    2. Re:Apologies for slight errors in the article by Ksevio · · Score: 4, Funny

      Maybe the books are 0-indexed

  3. Is anyone surprised? by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I think some forget, or never knew, that his first book was published 1996. This guy is not a fast writer.

    Personally doesn't bother me, since I stopped reading after the third book because the quality tanked so hard. The original Game of Thrones is my all time favourite fantasy novel and I will recommend it all the time. A Clash of Kings was good, but a major step down. I enjoyed it though. A Storm of Swords wasn't very good at all.When A Feast for Crows I asked some people and the answer I universally got was "don't bother" so I didn't. It was also a bit harder to maintain the "givashit" with 5 years intervening instead of 2.

    It seems like he more or less ran out of ideas and has bogged things down in to a whole bunch of characters nobody cares about. Ok, he can do as he pleases, but I'll keep my money thanks.

    1. Re:Is anyone surprised? by MightyMartian · · Score: 4, Interesting

      He has managed to out-Tolkien JRR Tolkien. Even with three or four contiguous story lines going on, Tolkien had to map out the chronology of events carefully so that he always knew where all the main characters and events were happening in relation to each other. Martin has something like two or three times as many plots going on, and he must spend have his time keeping the plotting straight.

      The Game of Thrones series is essentially a shared universe with one writer.

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  4. Re:Never finish by MightyMartian · · Score: 3, Insightful

    He may not finish it, but you can be damned sure the producers of the series have a solid plot line at their disposal should he kick the bucket. This is a cash cow of monumental proportions, and they won't let something as minor as the author's death get in the way of continuing production.

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  5. better than rushing steaming piles of shit. by rogoshen1 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    So the dude has a set of lofty ethics for his work.. i fail to see how this is a bad thing.. What fans should really appreciate is that he's not doing the quick cash grab (which he could surely do.)

  6. "GRR Martin is not your bitch" by Godwin+O'Hitler · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Or so says Neil Gaiman, at which point one of my favourite authors lost all respect I had for him. What I say is call me back when it's finished.
    GRR Martin is taking the piss. He took the piss with a Feast for Crows, among the dullest fantasy books I've ever read. He took the piss when he forgot about the readers for five years to go for the TV money. He is taking the piss trying to fool us into believing he knows where this story is heading.
    A Song of Ice and Fire is a totally worthless work with no ounce of merit. Fuck you, Martin.

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    1. Re:"GRR Martin is not your bitch" by MightyMartian · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I can tell you right now that if I was a successful writer, doubtless making a meaningful, but still modest wage, and someone waved the big bucks in front of me to make my unfinished series into a major multinational television production, I would not hesitate for the briefest moment in taking the cash.

      I'm not a fan of the television series, but do enjoy the books. The only thing that really pisses me off is that there is such a length of time between each book that I end up having to reread the entire series from the start just to remember all the characters and story lines. Thus far I've read the first three books three times.

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    2. Re:"GRR Martin is not your bitch" by Rakarra · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I take it that you have not read the Wheel of Time... :)

      I have done the rereading 6 or 7 times, and don't need to do that again for the rest of the series.

      The Wheel of Time books are really easy to reread.
      First, you read all of book 1 cover to cover. That one is pretty well written with a good pace.
      Then for all the other books, read the first chapter, skip the next 600 pages where nothing of consequence happens, then read the last 3 chapters where all the mind-blowing developments occur.
      I've yet to decide if book 2 and 3 fall into the "read all of it" or "skip most of it" camp.

    3. Re:"GRR Martin is not your bitch" by SuiteSisterMary · · Score: 5, Funny

      I'm sorry, it's all my fault. CSB inbound:

      Several years back, I took my wife to a signing for Feast for Crows at the (now gone) World's Biggest Bookstore in Toronto.

      The info said he'd sign anything he'd written, and I happened to have the first Wild Cards volume, so I grabbed it and off we went.

      Well, when we got to the table, he seemed surprised to see it, and said something like 'Ah, that takes me back.'

      A month later, he announced a ton of new Wild Cards stuff. So I think it might be my fault. Sorry.

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  7. Re:Never finish by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Also known as, "Pulling a Robert Jordan".

  8. just like him... by Tumbleweed · · Score: 4, Funny

    Killing off hope now, instead of just characters. Well played, sir, well played.

  9. Re:Never finish by Em+Adespoton · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Martin already stated that to avoid pulling a Jordan, he wrote the ending first, and gave copies to interested parties. He also wrote the storyline, so it's just the actual textual details and plot twists that haven't been fully hammered out yet.

    What got me to start reading the series in the first place was his promise that he wouldn't leave the story arc open-ended and then die. He also got a thorough check-up from his doctor giving him a full bill of health prior to starting the TV series.

  10. Re:Never finish by Darth+Muffin · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I was at a small convention where he was the guest of honor, got to hear a lot of him talking about this type of stuff.
    Basically, he confirmed that the studio does have a folder sealed and locked in a safe somewhere with plot outlines to finish the rest of the series should something happen to him. Also was interesting to hear that he *does* have a plot outline, he knows how it will end, who lives and dies and who comes out on top, but doesn't know all of the details about how to get there. Some people say he's dug himself a pretty deep hole and is having trouble writing his way out to get to the ending he wants.

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  11. Re:Never finish by dasunt · · Score: 4, Interesting

    He may not finish it, but you can be damned sure the producers of the series have a solid plot line at their disposal should he kick the bucket.

    True, but I don't expect them to have the same level of detail or intricacy the completed series would have.

    It's quite a complicated world. It's easy to miss out on the little clues scattered here and there - such as Young Griff's possible ancestry; who was responsible for Balon's death; the creaking hinge of Aeron's memories; the identities of the Sphinx, the new Pirate King in the Stepstones, the brother on the Quiet Isle, Robert Strong, and more; or what actually happened at the Tower of Joy, etc.

    And that's what we actually can claim to be pretty certain about, if you're a careful reader. There's so much unrevealed or left ambiguous - what is up in the Land of Always Winter, who is Septa Lemore or Coldhands, what happened to Benjen (and no, he's not Coldhands, they killed him "long ago"), what's on the Isle of Faces, what did Rhaegar read that lead him to become a warrior, where did Tysha go, etc. Now some of these won't be answered most likely, but we'll get more answers, both in the main series and in the Dunk & Egg novellas.

    I think the television series can pull off a satisfactory conclusion, especially since it veers off on its own direction occasionally (Yara's plotline, for example) and by the necessity of the television medium it must be more simple than the books. But I don't think the written series will be the same if someone else finishes it.

  12. Re:He better not Pull a Jordan by Ramze · · Score: 4, Funny

    I hear the ending has The Others win, all the main characters die -- and the white walkers reanimate Joffrey's corpse so he can rule as the Litch King of Westeros!

    But, it's all written from Hodor's perspective.

    Hodor. Hodor hodor hodor. Hodor!