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The NSA Is Viewed Favorably By Most Young People

cstacy writes: A poll by the Pew Research Center suggests that Snowden's revelations have not much changed the public's favorable view of the NSA. Younger people (under 30) tend to view the NSA favorably, compared to those 65 and older. 61% of people aged 18-29 viewed the NSA favorably, while 30% viewed the NSA unfavorably and 9% had no opinion. 55% of people aged 30-49 viewed the NSA favorably. At the 65+ age bracket, only 40% of people viewed the NSA favorably.

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  1. In other news... by DivineKnight · · Score: 5, Insightful

    In other news, Satan is viewed positively by those who have never heard of him...

    1. Re:In other news... by Opportunist · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I heard of him and I still think he's nothing but the PR department of his alleged adversary.

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    2. Re:In other news... by Immerman · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Hey, it's much easier to get good press once you construct a bogeyman to blame for your less popular actions. Just look at the old testament - there is no adversary, and God is a great and terrible being whose attention you're probably better off avoiding entirely.

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    3. Re: In other news... by king+neckbeard · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Ah, yes, of course a well-respected research center doesn't know how to run a simple opinion poll...

      In other news, grass is green, and the sky is blue. An opinion poll, Pew or otherwise, being shitty and unreliable is the case more often than not.

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    4. Re:In other news... by sconeu · · Score: 5, Insightful

      My take: "Those who have never seen anything different happy with status quo".

      Demographic: 18-29. That means that they were between 5 and 16 when 9/11 happened. These kids grew up with "ZOMG!!! 3VIL TERRORIZTS!!!!!"

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    5. Re:In other news... by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I tend to think that I can actually estimate the NSA's obligation and motivation. Mostly because they are mine, if only in a different area and a different part of this planet. I, too, am concerned with security. I'm responsible for the security of quite important and valuable assets that, if threatened or even harmed, could have a serious negative impact on various parts of the economy and maybe lives, depending on how important some people take their belongings.

      I'm not responsible for the security of a country, but of a large enough corporation that maybe this allows me to speak in perspective here.

      And there is one thing that is imperative when it comes to security: Your efforts must not threaten your own assets. When protecting my assets costs more than they are worth, the security is not even just useless, it's worse than useless. Because you just wasted more than what an incident could have costed.

      Likewise, you cannot protect your assets by throwing them away. Of course you can avoid them being stolen by discarding them, but that doesn't accomplish anything either.

      And the NSA is doing just that. What's it worth to defend the USA against terrorist attacks if those attacks would do less damage than the protection? What is it worth to defend the "American way of life" if that very way of life with its liberties and freedoms is discarded in favor of a security theater?

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    6. Re: In other news... by rsierpe · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If you want to understand Satan, first grab the Torah (BTW, in not Hebrew or Jewish!). The A-shatan, the adversary, is not inherently evil nor good, it's just and individual appointed by his boss God to be the one making people fall. It's not that he likes it, it's his job. This takes us to an interesting conclusion (IMHO of course!): finally Jahveh is inherently evil itself and EVERYTHING bad is his fault. His son dead on a cross? His fault. Original sin? Guilty too. Or, you can go with traditional Catholic interpretation. This takes us to a standpoint: he is either not omnipotent (challenged by a mere Angel??) or he is the original and definitive sociopath. Pick your poison. :)

  2. If you knew the NSA was reading your response by russotto · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...and you do, because they're reading everything... how would YOU respond?

  3. they know they're watching by turkeydance · · Score: 5, Insightful

    young people say the 'right' thing to pollsters.

    1. Re:they know they're watching by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This.

      It's like when you're doing those paid online surveys and one about music comes up and they ask, "Have you ever pirated music / downloaded illegally / &c.?"

      If I haven't, I'll say "no". If I have, I'll say "no".

      Rule number 1: You do not say anything to incriminate you.

      Rule number 2: See rule number 1.

      Put another way, if a policeman thinks you're giving attitude and you say, "Do you have a problem with the police?" what you don't say is...

      The NSA fear campaign has worked. I know loads of people who have anti-authoritarian spirit who take great care about where they say things, and try to clean up any record of what they've said. They're not out to cause harm, and many of them have regular jobs, but they are worried about how they'll be judged now (by more authoritarian employers / if they were to become the subject of investigation / whatever) and how they'll be judged in the future (by everyone, when computers are powerful enough to trawl through every item of data anyone has ever published).

  4. Wrong question means wrong answer. by franzrogar · · Score: 3, Insightful

    They should have asked this way: "NSA is reading your WhatsApp, your phone calls and your mobile photos and making a copy of them. With that, it's building a database to determine if you *might* be criminal and make you disappear. What do you think of NSA?"

  5. Re:Possible reason by rockout · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Oh yeah, the old "Back in MY day....!" argument. Excellent way to explain away everything with one centuries-old ridiculous premise.

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  6. Re:Not my findings by phantomfive · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So, now you have strong evidence that the people you talk to are not representative of America as a whole.

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  7. The sheeple factor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Sheeples will like something when they are told by someone that that something is good

    Most of the younger generations have been brought up without any struggle - everything has been provided for, from physical things such as housing, food, schooling to virtual things like voting rights, it's all there

    Unlike generation of yore who had to fight the system in order to get something - the young uns don't need to

    They are content, and content people can easily turned into sheeples

  8. Re:I am not sure what the hoopla is about by wbr1 · · Score: 4, Insightful
    I was not surprised either. However, we purport to be a free country with certain rights, including privacy. To not follow that is not just insulting and hypocritical, it is dangerous. The sheer amount of data collected is too much to handle period. This was proven at 9/11 which the NSA had intel on (with far less noisy data than now), and with the Boston marathon bombing.

    The question then is what will this data be used for if it is not usable/used for its intended purpose? I can think of nothing good, and this is the reason for those rights in the first place. To prevent tyranny.

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  9. How much based on who controls the White House? by Dragon+Bait · · Score: 4, Insightful

    How much of this is a reflection of "I trust the government, if my guy is in charge. I don't trust the government if the other guy is in charge."

    The Patriot Act is probably a great example of this. How many people flipped positions on whether the Patriot Act was a good thing or a bad thing when Bush left office and Obama became president?

    From what I can see, consistency of thought and philosophy seems rather rare in American politics. Too many people are partisan whores who always agree with their party and always disagree with the other party.

    1. Re:How much based on who controls the White House? by Grishnakh · · Score: 3, Insightful

      This is exactly it, in my opinion. Democrat voters are idiots who will back anything their Dear Leader Obama does, even when it was something they were bitching about during Bush's reign.

      And Republican voters are just as stupid. They're now bitching about things that they were perfectly OK with when Bush was doing them, but now that Obama is doing them, they're up in arms.

  10. Spying on Americans not about finding terrorist by 3seas · · Score: 3, Insightful

    And the politicians using double and triple speak know terrorist can do the same making any communication looking like common conversation..

    The Spying and lying through the main stream media is just a manipulation feedback loop of the Peoples employees of government manipulating the employers (the people) among the many other things the Employees of the people are doing against the Declaration of Independence. i.e. stealing the retirement funds of the employers (the people) funded by the employers (social security), illegally arming the police with military equipment (and having the employers. the people pay twice for the same equipment claimed to be "surplus") while trying to suppress the employers arms (anti-gun efforts) and more . Its time the people apply their rights and do their duty and instruct those working in the peoples business of government, how the funding (taxes) they are supplying is to be used.

    Its simple to do, a form to allow the taxpayers, the funders of government, to say how their taxes are to be used and included in the tax returns for the tax processors to allocate the funds according to the taxpayers instructions. Also needed is teh government transparency information, what the government wants funding for so the people can each decided to fund or not. If the government doesn't say, they don't get.

    If there is a problem with allocation then funds are placed in a credit union account till government supplies verified receipts in accord to teh allocated funds, for reimbursement.

    There is no need to spy on the employers, as the employers will set the budgets and this way the representatives will actually know what to do to represent the people. And the People will become participants rather than subjects.

    This is a republic, not a democracy but democracy is only to be a supplement of the republic. However two universities (Princeton being one of them) have technically determined the government is functioning as an Oligarchy. Now read the Declaration of Independence for the instructions the founders wrote for what the people are to do about this distortion and abuse of bad business of letting the peoples employees run the funding of the peoples business of government bank account.,
         

  11. Re:Vietnam war by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    > Younger folks do not understand these concepts or have lived in fear of "What if they draft me next?"

    More importantly, mothers have not lived in fear of "what if they draft my son next." That is why the Iraq and Afghanistan wars were the two longest wars in American history. We need to bring back the draft so that the personal fear of consequences for war-mongering is something every parent has to live with, not just the parents of those for whom the military is an employer of last resort.

    I write this because my nephew enlisted and became an army ranger doing two tours in Afghanistan and it drove his mother to alcoholism because every night she worried herself sick about his safety. He got out with only mental trauma (still wears one of those black KIA wrist-bands) and is getting a full-ride at a prestigious university now, and she's on the wagon. If every mother had to face the same thing my sister-in-law did, we would have been out of those countries much faster, we may never have gone into Iraq in the first place.

    Getting rid of the draft was the most pro-war policy change in the history of the US.