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Can Students Have Too Much Tech?

theodp writes: In a NY Times Op Ed, developmental psychologist Susan Pinker goes against the conventional White House wisdom about the importance of Internet connectivity for schoolchildren and instead argues that students can have too much tech. "More technology in the classroom has long been a policy-making panacea," Pinker writes. "But mounting evidence shows that showering students, especially those from struggling families, with networked devices will not shrink the class divide in education. If anything, it will widen it." Tech can help the progress of children, Pinker acknowledges, but proper use is the rub. As a cautionary tale, Pinker cites a study by Duke economists that tracked the academic progress of nearly one million disadvantaged middle-school students against the dates they were given networked computers. The news was not good. "Students who gain access to a home computer between the 5th and 8th grades tend to witness a persistent decline in reading and math scores," the economists wrote, adding that license to surf the Internet was also linked to lower grades in younger children.

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  1. This is not new. by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 5, Informative

    Every serious (read "non-vendor-sponsored") study for the last 20 years has shown that computers in school hinder education.

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    1. Re:This is not new. by Lumpy · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Except for very bright students, Then it is discovered that the teachers and dumbed down education hinders students more.

      If you are on either side of the bell curve you need special education. Low IQ need more hand holding, High IQ need the teachers to get the hell out of the way.

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    2. Re:This is not new. by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Insightful

      TFA is conflating very different issues:
      1. "Tech in the classroom" is NOT the same thing as "teaching tech". Just dumping a bunch of laptops and iPads into a classroom accomplishes nothing. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't teach programming to kids. They are completely different issues.
      2. "The digital divide" is NOT a problem. It is a symptom. The problem is dumb/poor kids doing poorly. The fact that other kids are doing well is a good thing, not a bad thing. We should focus on ALL kids doing better, not closing the gap by pulling the smart kids down.

    3. Re:This is not new. by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The kids who are interested will already know more than an intro class can teach them. It's the same as thinking of giving an course on how to win at FPS games - those who are interested already know how, and for the rest it's just a waste of time.

      I tried to get my two daughters interested in programming, and now I'm happy they didn't bite. Competition is going up, salaries and benefits are going down, and the "up or out" attitude would leave them with no job when they hit 40.

      Better that they learn to use computers just as a tool, to write, to do spreadsheets, and to play games and surf the web. Programming is fast becoming a dead-end job, same as web design already is.

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    4. Re:This is not new. by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 3, Informative

      Instead of that, better off teaching them how to apply flow charting to making real-life decisions. At least it teaches them a logical approach to breaking down many everyday problems.

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  2. Re:Tools make it easier to accomplish tasks. by TWX · · Score: 3, Insightful

    A general purpose computer is only useful if the student is willing to use it for a certain specific purpose. Given that there's a whole lot of temptation to use it for things that the student wants to do, rather than the things that the student is supposed to do, it can be incredibly easy to not be productive with the very machine that was intended to increase productivity.

    I don' think that general-purpose computers should be used in schools without software to limit the use of the computers. That can be for a duration, like during class time or during the school day, or it can be full-time, so that a computer is still limited to its intended function in its entirety, but leaving computers open to do anything just means that much more opportunity to not do work.

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  3. This pays credence to my rant about tech by bogaboga · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yes, I have never liked tech in class. Never!

    "Students who gain access to a home computer between the 5th and 8th grades tend to witness a persistent decline in reading and math scores," the economists wrote, adding that license to surf the Internet was also linked to lower grades in younger children.

    About me: I am a former full-time teacher:

    Now my $0.02.

    That's why kids from the so called "third world," that come here consistently beat our own kids in all subjects that really matter. Why? Their brains were conditioned to think. They only used PCs if they had any, at home. And only when homework was complete. Homework done the "old fashined" way.

    Look folks, there's so much distraction in class that kids can't really learn. It's hard for such young minds to focus. The trouble is that our learned colleagues submit studies that are clearly biased, and what can you say? The contract to supply the latest gadget is inked! It's a sad state of affairs now. The so called "third world kids" when here, quickly catch up with tech and do even better. Is anyone listening?

    1. Re:This pays credence to my rant about tech by Ambassador+Kosh · · Score: 4, Informative

      At the college level though I see a different kind of problem. Many of the people from 3rd world countries I have encountered do VERY well at rote memorization tasks and can often solve engineering problems that are almost exactly what they have done before but when you step outside of that they quickly run into problems. I find that american and canadian engineers are more likely to rely on a computer to solve the hard math part but they are much better at figuring out how to define the problem and what should be done to solve it.

      I am not sure why but most european countries still seem to do rote memorization for many disciplines and base all grades on a single 2 hour exam. It is all pretty silly. Maybe some day education won't be confused with memorization.

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  4. Its not that there's too much tech... by Zombie+Ryushu · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Its what tech, and how the tech is used. Both in the Apple and Microsoft Camp, our schools have been and are being fleeced for billions possibly Trillions to buy grade school and high school kids toys, from MacBooks, to iPads, to Surface Tablets. Linux and Android technologies that could be used to teach effective use of problem solving in Math, science, Literacy, and assistive technologies for the Disabled are being shut out to prop up wholesale robbery of the tax payer to buy media consumption platforms to create an addict user base that is helpless without effective tools.

    1. Re:Its not that there's too much tech... by ColdWetDog · · Score: 3, Informative

      Buying stuff is easy.

      Teaching is hard.

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  5. The web can be a great tool... by Radical+Moderate · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...or a great distraction. Not too surprising that handing a kid a tablet and turning him loose doesn't work out too well, but what do I know, I've only work in educational IT for 20 years. A properly supported computer (don't try to make teachers into sys admins) supervised by a properly trained teacher can be very useful in a classroom setting. But training and support are expensive and unsexy, so who the hell wants that?

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  6. The tests are the problem. by blue+trane · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Students can be motivated in other ways than by tests and grades. Using tests and grades really teaches kids that they should dislike school.

    Alfie Kohn makes The Case Against Grades.

    A favorite passage:

    although teachers may be required to submit a final grade, there's no requirement for them to decide unilaterally what that grade will be. Thus, students can be invited to participate in that process either as a negotiation (such that the teacher has the final say) or by simply permitting students to grade themselves. If people find that idea alarming, it's probably because they realize it creates a more democratic classroom, one in which teachers must create a pedagogy and a curriculum that will truly engage students rather than allow teachers to coerce them into doing whatever they're told. In fact, negative reactions to this proposal ("It's unrealistic!") point up how grades function as a mechanism for controlling students rather than as a necessary or constructive way to report information about their performance.

  7. Re:Tools make it easier to accomplish tasks. by Livius · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Just throwing money, or tools of any kind, at a given problem isn't going to inherently address the problem.

    Throwing money at a problem generally leads to a well-funded problem, not a solution.