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What Happens When the "Sharing Economy" Meets Higher Education

jyosim writes Professors now make big bucks teaching in educational marketplaces. Sites that let anyone teach courses might just change the way people think about the value of education, about the nature of expertise, and about what teaching is worth. From the article: "When Nick Walter graduated with an information-systems degree, he intended to start his own tech company to create the next big iPhone app, as so many twenty-somethings have tried in recent years. But then something dawned on him: He could make more money teaching. He set up a free account on a site called Udemy, which lets anyone teach online courses and charge for them, and then uploaded a series of lecture videos and exercises showing other people how to make apps. Walter had no experience teaching, no affiliation with a university or accredited educational institution, and—by his own admission—no particular gifts as a computer-science student. But that doesn’t matter to Udemy, or to any of a number of similar platforms that have emerged in recent years."

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  1. In what universe? by meustrus · · Score: 4, Funny

    But then something dawned on him: He could make more money teaching.

    What? You lost me there.

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  2. Re:Big bucks? by Lab+Rat+Jason · · Score: 2

    What I'm hearing is that making apps pays worse than teaching people to make apps. By comparison yes, it's a triumph. But to everyone else with a real job...

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  3. Misunderstanding of Higher Education Economics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The summary (though not the article) begins on the assumption that professors make big bucks. That may have been true at one point, but it's certainly not true now. Yes, full-time tenure track faculty average close to six figures annually, but only 27% of university instructors are full-time or tenure-tracked[1]. The remaining 73% or so is made up of adjunct faculty, who typically earn somewhere between $20-25k annually[2]. So, the idea that the sharing economy is going to be able to massively bring down educational costs by putting market pressure on faculty salaries doesn't really hold up. That market pressure was already there, and faculty salaries are already in the toilet. I'm not sure salaries can go down further without those teachers exiting the market entirely.

    It's probably also worth mentioning, the vast majority of traditional (and non-traditional) students don't really go to an educational institute just to learn (though, it would be nice if they were to learn too). Students usually go to those institutions for a recognized credential or degree. Even if you're obtaining excellent instruction from the Internet, you're not going to get that degree. The real scarcity isn't teachers at the university level (as demonstrated by super-low wages for adjuncts). The real thing that keeps prices up is the artificial monopoly created by accreditation systems.

    And, that might not entirely be a bad thing. Four year universities usually try to create well-rounded students, who learn much more than they'd ever need in their personal career. Students often complain about having to take classes they don't care about, but being broadly educated does seem to make individuals more open minded to solutions to problems that are not necessarily within their usual field of vision. If students could pick and choose their own courses, they'd rarely get that broad-view approach.

    In short: this new app might be fine, but it won't revolutionize higher education in any meaningful fashion.

    [1] http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01...
    [2] http://www.npr.org/2013/09/22/...

    1. Re:Misunderstanding of Higher Education Economics by i.r.id10t · · Score: 2

      FWIW I get paid about $700 per credit hour per semester to teach as an adjunct... IF you don't go crazy with course design, grading assignments, etc. you can do a good job in about 8 hours per week for a 3 credit course so it works out to about $20/hr over the term.

      Do it wrong, and you'll sink a ton of hours into it though. Teaching 20 students is a lot less work than tutoring 20 students...

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    2. Re:Misunderstanding of Higher Education Economics by Sarlok · · Score: 2

      The 27% in your first article is full-time tenure-track. The remaining 73% does include adjuncts, but there are also full-time non tenure-track positions, such as a yearly contract. I know because I have a friend in academia that has been doing those positions for a several years now. He at least is paid decently as a full-time position, but he has to essentially reapply every year and doesn't get paid as well as tenure-track positions. Several of those spots have been truly temporary positions (a permanent faculty on sabbatical or something), so he is pretty much job searching every year.

  4. Goodbye college football by wcrowe · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Forty years ago there were people out there, sci-fi writers and others, who envisioned that this was how all education would eventually be done, from elementary school all the way through college. They seemed to sense that the television and computer and telephone would somehow be put together to create a learning environment. The entire idea sounded fantastic to me.

    When I got out of high school I joined the Navy and went through avionics school. The school was computer-driven and self-paced, and I loved it. For once I didn't have to be held back in classes that had to be taught to the level of the lowest common denominator. I remember thinking that I wish all education was like this.

    Now the technology is here to create these kind of learning environments for nearly everyone, and it's affordable. I think that traditional universities, and even high schools and elementary schools, will eventually go away. We're seeing the beginnings of that now.

    If I live long enough, I suppose I will miss college football, but in the long run, this is the best thing for education.

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    1. Re:Goodbye college football by hibiki_r · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Schools will probably not go away quickly, as there is plenty of value in learning socialization, and kids will not learn that by sitting at home in front of a computer.

      Schools are moving towards having some of that kind of learning though. Take, for instance, elementary school math. You have a bunch of kids coming in at K or 1st grade, which have drastically different experience and skill levels. Some kids will barely be able to count to 10, and read small numbers. Others enter K understanding multiplication and division. And yet traditionally, we put them in the same class, and teach them math together.

      Now we have computer systems that can throw math exercises and lessons to kids, individualized to their skill level. So when the kindergartener that should be in 4th grade, seems to never miss at counting and number recognition, he just keeps getting more challenging material, until he's quickly doing 4th grade math.

    2. Re:Goodbye college football by dcollins · · Score: 2

      This has been the dream for, like, a century now... but schools are simply not structured to permit that. Actually about 20 years ago in the USA we/they doubled-down on the issue; the phrase "tracking students" into different classes or programs by ability was effectively prohibited everywhere, and is considered inequitable, immoral, and kind of offensive to even mention in many educational circles. The standard response in recent decades is that the bright kids should spend their time group-tutoring the slower kids.

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  5. Beware the Do vs Teach dilemma by PseudoCoder · · Score: 4, Insightful

    More than half of my engineering curriculum was taught by prolific researchers who couldn't teach worth a damn. I was a tutor through most of college and found myself "reteaching" a lot of the stuff they would teach to others who came looking for help. Not because I was bright, see I struggled to understand the same topics, but I was able to break the topics down in a way that made more sense. Tying "building block" concepts progressively, until the process showed the complete picture, at which point I could teach them to myself for my own understanding, and then to others. That's when I realized good teachers require the whole package of skills; proficiency in their subject and a mind to educate by facilitating the process of connecting concepts.

    Sounds like a good place for a free market to open up. What teaching is worth should lean heavily on a feedback/review framework like Amazon's such that people don't end up paying for a class that sucks, by every student's experience, because the professor can't communicate concepts, or communicate at all. Like the time I spent almost weeks trying to figure out what the foreigner in my Space Systems course meant by "papamaaa". By the way, that's "performance".

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    1. Re:Beware the Do vs Teach dilemma by PseudoCoder · · Score: 2

      Wow. You get to miss the point of my post AND show yourself a smart-ass all in one post. Such efficiency!

      When I went to college the internet was but a fetus compared to what it is now. And regardless, my classmates were not tasked and paid to teach me something; the guy up front with the diplomas on his wall and the chalk in his hand was. To give a pass to the person who has an assigned responsibility and fails, only to put that responsibility on your buds isn't as clever as you make it sound.

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  6. Re:No experience teaching no particular gift for i by rockmuelle · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I have a Ph.D. and am now fully qualified to teach university courses. The funny thing about that is that in the course of getting my Ph.D., I never once had to take a course on how to teach or even teach/TA a course (I was a research assistant the whole time I was in grad school).

    I'm an outlier on not having to teach/TA a course in grad school (I did TA an undergrad, though) , but I don't know of any graduate programs that require actual training for teaching.

    The person cited in the summary is just as qualified as most Ph.D.s. :)

    As for the big bucks, two of my good friends from grad school (both computer scientists) spent their first two years working for free waiting for tenure track positions to open up. They get decent salaries now, but over the course of their careers, it's not what I'd call big bucks.

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  7. Re:Big bucks? by Pascoea · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's the same theory as a gold rush. The guy selling buckets and shovels is going to make more money than 99% of the people that go there to dig up gold.

  8. Re:Big bucks? by Lab+Rat+Jason · · Score: 2

    I absolutely agree. Coming up with the idea is harder than implementing it. Which actually speaks to another interesting thing: He has no way to protect what he is doing... he's first to market, which is why he's making cash hand over fist... but that's going to evaporate in about 2.5 seconds when other people who are equally smart go out and undercut him on price for their own tutorials... and eventually you will get that high quality education for free from YouTube. So hopefully he milks it for as long as he can, because there are plenty of people who are better coders/more charismatic/whatever trait sells... that are willing to take a piece of that pie.

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  9. Re:Big bucks? by blue+trane · · Score: 2

    Is he first to market? MOOCs offer app-writing classes for free.

  10. Re:Big bucks? by JackieBrown · · Score: 2

    20K every 2-4 month is big bucks.

  11. Re:Sharing? by gnupun · · Score: 2

    I guess "sharing" sounds a lot better than "low-priced amateur products."

  12. Minerva Etc. by retroworks · · Score: 2

    I'm married to a tenured prof, and I had the idea about 7 years ago (reserved a domain guerillacampus.org) to "uber" the college classroom. My idea was to use only fully tenured professors at area colleges to teach "on the side", so that students who paid would know they were getting the same generic teaching ingredients. Now I've got twins entering as freshmen, and looking at all the expenses and loans anew. I see Minerva Project is trying something similar, to replicate a "highly selective" competitive environment without the added expense of "campus" largesse.

    No doubt there is an opportunity somewhere in MOOCs or Minervas or Uber-professors to provide the teaching with lower expense. However, I found that it was a lot more difficult than having an idea and recruiting the teachers. Vetting students, recruiting, providing a certified brand of diploma, etc. proved fairly significant, and without scale of students one faces very high administrative challenges. He's not the first to have the idea and it's not going to be easy when students drop out or demand transcripts 5 years later, or don't pay their teachers as planned. But I hope he succeeds, if only to send a warning shot over the universities bows, ie that colleges have potential competition if they remain in the "arms race" to build massive capital intensive campuses.

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  13. Khan Acadamy by PPH · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Salman Khan has done rather well considering he didn't get a degree in 'education'. The ability to teach has little to do with the teaching credentials that our education system demands. It's comunication, coaching and mentoring skills. The whole certification industry only serves to maintain scarcity and keep union teachers' wages and tuitions artificially high.

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    1. Re:Khan Acadamy by unimacs · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Put Salmon Khan in a classroom with 25 third graders and see how well he does.

      I'm not saying you need a degree in education to teach, but different sets of skills are required for different students in different settings. Degree programs prepare teachers to succeed in a variety of situations many of which are more challenging than making videos.

  14. Re:Big surprise by just_a_monkey · · Score: 2

    Until Khan and these other shareducators get the ability to issue actual degrees, this won't matter that much. In many career jobs, you have to have a degree. Just knowing your stuff will only get you so far. (Also, it is easy for HR to see if you have a degree or not. It is hard for them to know if you are any good, but no-one has ever been fired for hiring some-one with a degree. So HR departments will prefer to require degrees.)

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  15. Slippery slope by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    I watched an intriguing documentary about a high school chemistry teacher that lost his job and began dealing drugs...

  16. Re:So he pointedly never utters the word "Boolean" by tompaulco · · Score: 2

    University is not supposed to teach you how to program. Computer Science teaches you the theory of computing. Computer Engineering teaches you how computers work. MIS teaches you how to manage techies. None of those are specifically supposed to teach you how to program. However, all of them will likely have a class in which programming is used as a tool. There are also classes available in University which do specifically teach programming languages.
    However, they true purpose of University is to make you a well-rounded, socially adjusted person, who is teachable and has a good grounding in the concepts with which one would be working in that field. You don't actually learn how to do your job until you are in the field.
    Vocational Institutions are very good at teaching specific skills. However, they don't focus on teaching how to learn new skills, just how to be good at one particular one. As a manager, I would hire a developer fresh out of University and showed an understanding of the concepts of programming languages over one from a vocational institution who knew the syntax of a particular language.

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  17. Some amateurs are Sherlock; some are just amateurs by DutchUncle · · Score: 2

    Problem is, this could go right up next to the "common folks'" belief in "common sense over so-called science", and derision of "experts" of any sort. Degrees and certificates do not necessarily impart wisdom; many without degrees or certificates have wisdom; and neither paperwork nor wisdom are necessarily combined with an ability to instruct others, in either positive or negative correlation. OTOH, the Youtube attitude that "lots of people can make an entertaining performance video" does not mean that all of them are of good quality (either the video or the performance or both), and certainly does not mean that "anybody can make an instructional video too". Most Americans profess to speak English, but an immigrant seeking to learn English would get wildly varying results picking one at random as an instructor.

  18. Re:Big bucks? by Tom · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This.

    He went to give courses in a gold rush topic at the gold rush time. Don't think you can get anywhere near his success teaching Programming in C++ or Knitting or whatever. I'm not saying you can't make a buck, but the story is about being in the right place at the right time more than about online education.

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  19. Re:Big bucks? by jythie · · Score: 2

    20k/day until, like the App Store, the service gets saturated.

  20. Re:Big bucks? by jythie · · Score: 3, Informative

    Mileage will vary greatly here. I know plenty of tenured professors making making in the 40-60 range which, while not bad, is far from 6 figures. Professors who work for MBA/Law/Tech oriented schools (within a university) tend to be pretty well paid, but the money can be pretty bad outside that band.