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Major Record Labels Keep 73% of Spotify Payouts

journovampire sends this report: New record company figures out of France suggest that artists are being paid just 68 cents from every €9.99 monthly music streaming subscription – as major labels keep hold of 73% of payouts from the likes of Spotify. They’re followed by writers/publishers with a 16% share, and then artists – mostly paid by their labels – who get 11%.

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  1. First grab by zoefff · · Score: 3, Funny

    mine, mine! ;)

    1. Re:First grab by Gobelet · · Score: 5, Informative

      It's written plain as day in the article, on the SNEP chart.

      For every 9.99€ monthly subscription:

      Spotify or other streaming platforms ("Plateformes") get 2.08€
      Labels ("Producteurs") get 4.56€
      Performers (or artists) ("Artistes interprètes") get 0.68€
      Composers and writers ("Auteurs compositeurs éditeurs") get 1€
      And VAT is 1.67€

      Profit, pre-tax, is as follows:
      Composers and writers ("Auteurs compositeurs éditeurs"): 0.6€
      Performer (or artists) ("Artistes interprètes"): 0.68€

      Labels ("Producteurs"): 0.26€*
      Platforms: 0.1€*

      *Net profit margin estimated at 5% of revenue.

      But if you read the rest of the study, you'll see streaming represents 55% of digital music revenue in France in 2014 (16% total revenue for the industry).

      The music industry market is tanking a bit says the study, but the royalty payouts are stable.

      You'll find the full study here.

    2. Re:First grab by dotwhynot · · Score: 2

      I don't understand this analysis. Why are you showing "profit" as being equal to gross for some stakeholders (Composers, writers, performers), but as only 5% of gross for others (labels and platforms)? And, furthermore, what's up with "estimating" the profit margin at a single number, and then applying that same number to two very different operations (labels vs. platforms)? That looks quite strange.

      The whole focus on "share of profit" in this scenario is one big misdirection. It is of no interest what profit record labels have if their cost level is out of control vs their income and value. The record labels need to seriously adapt their cost levels to a new reality. They've had an extreme golden age in the decades of the CD, but now reality is different, as it was before.

  2. so? by SuperDre · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It's the 'artist' that signed a contract with the company, so he/she knows what he/she gets or doesn't get..
    An artist working for a record company is nothing more than a regular employee..

    1. Re:so? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The point of articles like this is to raise awareness so that artists are more aware of what they're getting into before they sign, so that they negotiate better and might refuse offers if that's in their best interest. It's tragic, but too many musicians fall into the trap unaware what it will cost them.

    2. Re:so? by sjames · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Not to mention that it informs the citizens who the labels have repeatedly told that they are charging these fees and getting tough on infringement for the benefit of the artists.

    3. Re:so? by siddesu · · Score: 2

      There was a reason that anti-monopoly and anti-oligopoly legislation was created. The idea is that if one participant in he market is stronger than everybody else and can impose conditions, the 'free' in 'free market' is gone, and the outcome is bad for everyone except the monopolist. This is especially true in markets where the monopoly isn't natural, but bestowed by a law, like the copyrights. The logic is also true for monopsonies, i.e. buyers' markets.

      Too bad that the government doesn't sue large corporations for violating those laws very often.

    4. Re:so? by TheRaven64 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The granparent said 'anti-monopoly' and 'anti-oligopoly' (although an oligopoly is more commonly referred to as a cartel these days). The big five record labels definitely count as an oligopoly.

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    5. Re:so? by Richard_at_work · · Score: 2, Informative

      A cartel implies collusion - got any evidence of that going on?

      At the end of the day, music is rarely something you can replace 1:1 with another, similar product. You either like song A or song B (or both), but you cant replace song A with song B if you don't like song B. Same goes for artists, TV series, movies etc etc etc.

      So competition in these areas is very very difficult - a label either has the artist, or they don't. And the label has the artist by virtue of the contract that artist willingly signed.

    6. Re:so? by The+Rizz · · Score: 5, Insightful

      A cartel implies collusion - got any evidence of that going on?

      Yup. They even named it themselves: The RIAA.

    7. Re:so? by hweimer · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Well, that's similar to raising awareness among burger flippers so that they negotiate better and refuse offers if necessary. If you want to get your first record deal, then you will have to accept pretty much anything. There are thousands of equally eager and talented musicians round the corner who don't ask such nasty questions. Guess who will get signed in the end?
      Also, note that the reported sums are averages. This means that a handful of top artists actually get a decent cut, while the huge majority of artists actually gets nothing because they first have to pay back the label for recording costs, marketing, any advances the artists have received, etc.

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    8. Re:so? by pr0fessor · · Score: 2

      My brother has partnership with an indie label they provide advertising magazine and radio, a radio campaign [plays that are counted for charting], digital sales [50/50 split], help them find sponsors and get interviews with magazines and on the radio [some booking not included]. The band handles all artistic aspects, composition, production, recording, booking, tour, video production, physical media, merchandising, associated cost. The band holds copyright of all their music and art work, they only give the distribution rights to the label under certain terms.

      Some of the bands with the indie label were previously signed to big labels and have horror stories.

  3. Artists often get little by toejam13 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Music artists have often received little from broadcasting. Historically, they've received the bulk of their money from live performances and merchandise. Most of that broadcast money goes to the studios, the producers, the managers, the studio, the songwriter, agents and lawyers. Singers (if they're not also songwriters) usually come dead last.
    My understanding is that many new artists have come to realize this scam and are starting to avoid the major labels, using alternate channels of distribution instead. It may not sell as much music, but they get a much larger slice of the pie

    1. Re:Artists often get little by itzly · · Score: 5, Funny

      Note that the word "artist" usually refers to the autotune operator, not the singer.

    2. Re:Artists often get little by bledri · · Score: 4, Insightful

      personally I find it somewhat insulting calling many of them artists. yes without a doubt many have a gifted voice or work hard to produce excellent sounds, but they aren't artists. The artists are those that actually write the songs and the music (yes sometimes that is also the singer, but that seems to be a rarity nowadays). most singers are little more than performing puppets.

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  4. You wouldn't steal... by 91degrees · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You wouldn't steal an an artist's royalties.

    You wouldn't dodge taxes

    You wouldn't install a rootkit on a customer's computerl

    But the Record industry would.

    And just to get the joke out of the way, "You wouldn't shoot a policeman. And then steal his helmet. You wouldn't go to the toilet in his helmet. And then send it to the policeman's grieving widow. And then steal it again!"

    1. Re:You wouldn't steal... by c · · Score: 2

      And just to get the joke out of the way, "You wouldn't shoot a policeman. And then steal his helmet. You wouldn't go to the toilet in his helmet. And then send it to the policeman's grieving widow. And then steal it again!"

      Well, of course not. What kind of sick fuck would steal a helmet full of shit?

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  5. See also "Spotify Artists" page by Wootery · · Score: 3, Informative

    Spotify explain their revenue-model and payout-model here.

  6. Reading comprehension is important by GrumpySteen · · Score: 2

    "Major labels keep hold of 73% of payouts from the likes of Spotify."

    The 73/16/11 split is of what Spotify pays the label, not what Spotify charges the user.

    1. Re:Reading comprehension is important by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 3

      Sure, but the artist keeps 100% of the label's payout to the artist.

  7. Reading comprehension by GrumpySteen · · Score: 2

    The 11% is out of the amount that Spotify pays the label, not the 9.99 that Spotify charges the user.

  8. Changing Dynamics of Entertainment by Akratist · · Score: 2

    I thought this story was interesting, especially in light of the story a day or two ago about how there weren't any torrents for newly released music on TPB (with all the caveats that came with TFA). The barrier to entry for music production, or really, any kind of entertainment media, has been steadily dropping, to where the reproduction of the created content is almost effortless. Anyone can have a band in their garage and produce halfway decent sounding music, if they're willing to put the time and effort in to create something. A person can write and publish a novel electronically and do fairly well with it. The barrier to game production, in terms of financial outlays, is essentially gone. It's the same use of technology as a multiplier which enabled the information revolution in the first place, with the creation of the printing press. However, what all of those efforts don't have is a solid and pervasive marketing campaign behind them, and that's what a major artist for a major label is "buying" when they get a pittance out of their music being played someplace, or what a game studio or author gets when they are able to sign a deal with a publisher. Let's face it -- production costs are largely nil, but it's the ability to get the word out about something, and like them or hate them, this is what marketers do, and they don't work for cheap. I don't really see the situation going away -- they are a lot of people creating niche media, but there is still money to be made in mass market production. (yes, there are some things I haven't covered, such as the staggering cost of creating a movie or AAA game, and a need to make a profit on them, but I can paint with as broad a brush as I want on a comment board)

  9. Re:All about the contract. by gstoddart · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Well, one can point out that the record companies have been pushing predatory contracts on artists for decades, and giving them little choice.

    Seriously, if the *AAs are going to heavily run this "listening is theft" crap campaign and then keep all of the damned money .. then as much as it screws the artists even more, it's almost a moral imperative to rip off the record companies even more.

    The theft is by major corporations who act like they've done something to earn this money and should be earning it in perpetuity.

    And one of the problems with these contracts is at the time they were signed nobody had even THOUGHT of how the royalties for streaming would work -- or thought of streaming at all in many cases. The record companies defined that to be the one which gets the artists the least possible money.

    Essentially the record companies have stacked the deck so badly that the game is unwinnable.

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  10. Dinosaurs will die by bulled · · Score: 3, Insightful

    NoFX said it best live even

  11. Re:Bigger label means more autotune by CastrTroy · · Score: 2

    I've always thought it was interesting the way music worked out. It seems like the boy-band model works to attract female listeners, but most guys I know really don't care what the artist looks like. Sure Katy Perry may turn a few heads at the SuperBowl, but I don't know any guys who would go to her concerts or buy her music. In the same way, I know many women who would watch a movie just because a particular good looking actor was in it, regardless of the content. But most guys I know wouldn't go see a movie just because a certain actress is in it. Sure it's nice that there's good looking girls in Transformers, but we went to see the transformers and would have gone to see it even if there was no women in the entire movie. We wouldn't go see a romantic comedy with the same actress in it.

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