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Mystery Ash Clouds Rain In Parts of Washington, Oregon

Inland parts of Oregon and Washington, as well as Idaho, have experienced a strange, murky rain today that contains what seems to be volcanic ash, though ash from which volcano isn't completely clear. Experts said they are checking out several possible explanations including a recent volcanic eruption in Mexico and one in Russia. The weather service said the rainstorm may have passed through some dust or volcanic ash as it moved west. Walla Walla County's emergency management staff posted a statement on its Facebook page that the ash is likely from Volcano Shiveluch in Kamchatka Krai, Russia, some 3,000 miles away. Volcano Shiveluch spewed an ash plume about 22,000 feet high in late January, the statement said.... CNN meteorologist Derek Van Dam, meanwhile, pointed to an eruption Wednesday of a volcano in southwestern Colima, Mexico, as another potential source of the dirty rain. That volcano is more than 2,000 miles away from the region. Time points out that other theories include leftover ash from last year’s wildfires in Oregon in Idaho.

77 comments

  1. NSA reactor waste by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It's from the buried NSA facility in Yakima, They're blowing the pipes.

    1. Re:NSA reactor waste by Nethead · · Score: 1

      The Ball Bearing plant was shut down a few years ago, the NRO said so. That's why all those huge dishes are still there and move from time to time.

      https://www.google.com/maps/pl...

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  2. Yellowstone! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    OMGWTF

    1. Re:Yellowstone! by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      A Yellowstone supereruption would wipe out two-thirds of the northern hemisphere. If that have gone off, ashy rain would be the least of our problems.

    2. Re:Yellowstone! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well the vast majority of the black-hats are in the northern hemisphere, so crack attacks might reduce if that happens.

    3. Re:Yellowstone! by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 4, Funny

      If that have gone off, ashy rain would be the least of our problems.

      "Look, Ma, it's raining pieces of Chicago!"

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  3. Oh no, the Decepticons will awaken soon. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Let's take them out in advance, before they can rise to conquer the Earth!

  4. Mystery? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Seems like chemical analysis of the ash could solve this mystery pretty easily.

    1. Re:Mystery? by hawguy · · Score: 5, Funny

      Seems like chemical analysis of the ash could solve this mystery pretty easily.

      Anyone that watches TV knows they just need to put some it into the analyzer and they'll have the source of the ash in minutes. I don't understand why don't they just do that?

    2. Re:Mystery? by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 2

      Unfortunately scientists cannot afford the instruments used by Hollywood rich people :-(

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    3. Re:Mystery? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Heh, it would be pretty easy to figure out if it was wooden ash or volcanic ash.

    4. Re:Mystery? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Allowing time for sample preparation and assuming the instrument was already fired up and calibrated, under an hour would be easy for X-ray fluorescence that would give you the full suite of trace elements you'd need to fingerprint the eruption. You could probably distinguish forest fire wood ash from volcanic ash with one of the hand-held XRF devices, which would definitely take no more than a few minutes.

    5. Re:Mystery? by michelcolman · · Score: 1

      Obligatory xkcd.

    6. Re:Mystery? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      putting a sample under a microscope or into a spectrometer at a local university or hospital would be pretty quick actually if the question is forest fire or volcano. they are vastly different in composition and form.

      the spectrometer response would tell you pretty quick exactly where a volcanic sample came from too if the source mountain is in the global database, which most active ones are. the elemental signatures are very distinct.

  5. Bill Gates by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is what happens when Bill Gates blows a load, the dust eruption goes all over the northeast.

  6. Potheads by storkus · · Score: 4, Funny

    Oh, come on, Oregon and Washington LEGALIZED IT, it's just some pot festival sent too much smoke and ash up from western WA/OR. A quick THC test should tell you all you need to know.

    1. Re:Potheads by Bathroom+Humor · · Score: 1

      Mayhaps Sasquatch wanted to join in on the fun, but didn't quite grasp the concept of pot, so they just grabbed all the leaves and shrubbery they could find and puff puff'd up a storm.

    2. Re:Potheads by rogoshen1 · · Score: 2

      hah. eastern oregon and wash are about as red and conservative as you'll find in the US. They are closer to Texas (sans austin) politically than anywhere else.
      (Source: grew up in Milton-Freewater, just south of Walla Walla)

    3. Re:Potheads by Black+Parrot · · Score: 4, Insightful

      hah. eastern oregon and wash are about as red and conservative as you'll find in the US.

      And red-state conservatives don't smoke pot?

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    4. Re:Potheads by AK+Marc · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Sure they do. They want "officer discretion" so when little Georgie (Bush) does coke, he'll be let off with an unofficial warning that doesn't touch his permanent record, but little Nigger has a dime bag of pot, and he gets 10 years in jail, or pleads guilty to felony distribution for a $100 fine and time served. The punishment doesn't sound like much, except never getting to vote again, or own a firearm.

      That's how the red states roll. Neo-Apartheid. I was born white in one, and had plenty of friends of various ethnic backgrounds. The big lie is that it doesn't happen, mainly told by people who have seen it happen, but refuse to believe it because it would make them "evil" to endorse and condone it.

    5. Re:Potheads by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      grew up in Milton-Freewater, just south of Walla Walla)

      I feel your pain...

    6. Re:Potheads by blue+trane · · Score: 2

      Luckily there are recreational marijuana shops in eastern Wa, and some wildernesses where you can smoke pot out in the open for days without encountering humans. Screw the political retards; this land was made for you and me.

    7. Re:Potheads by SgtAaron · · Score: 1

      Why would that be? Walla Walla and its surroundings produce lots of good wine. Plenty of anesthetic to soothe your pain. :-)

    8. Re:Potheads by Guy+From+V · · Score: 1

      Muddy Frogwater

    9. Re:Potheads by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is exactly how the Bible Belt rolls as well. There are two different laws, mostly depending on how well connected your family is to the local regime. If you're not connected, you might as well move away because there is NO opportunity to do anything. Naturally, you have be very white to be in the club. The black people that find success often end up tragically dead as soon as the pot gets stirred :/

    10. Re:Potheads by NetNed · · Score: 2

      White guilt is "insightful" on a story about ash clouds??? WTF happened to slashdot???

    11. Re:Potheads by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      Ah yes, truthfully exposing actual current racism is "white guilt" and should be dismissed and ignored.

      Not sure how it hit 5 inciteful, but it's a on-topic response to the previous comment, which was about drug use in conservative states.

      Is your comment any more on-topic on a post about ash? No? Then that makes you a hypocrite. And dismissing the race situation pegs you as a conservative (and yes, a libertarian is a "conservative" by the US definitions, and a "neo-liberal" by international definitions).

    12. Re:Potheads by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      heh, "little Nigger". Shooo...

    13. Re:Potheads by sysrammer · · Score: 1

      Funny post. The replies, on the other hand, really flew off on a tangent.

      sr

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  7. Obvious answer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Geo-engineering

  8. Fire Volcano in Guatemala erupts, spewing rock and by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    GUATEMALA CITY: The Fire Volcano in southern Guatemala exploded incandescent rock and ash over surrounding towns on Saturday.

    David de Leon, spokesman for the national disaster preparedness office, said authorities had put area on alert, but no evacuations had been made so far.

    Karina Lopez, a resident of nearby Antigua, said ash mixed with a drizzle to reduce visibility and the volcano continued to rumble.

    The national coordinator for disaster reduction agency issued instructions urging people to take shelter, wear masks, cover water tanks and be aware of evacuation routes. Firefighters were standing by.

    The volcano sits on the border of the Guatemalan states of Escuintla, Sacatepequez and Chimaltenango. It has a height of 3,763 meters (12,346 feet) above sea level.

  9. Meanwhile in Oregon by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 1

    It's just raining, like it usually does with normal wet drop of water. No sign of gunk on my windscreen.

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    1. Re:Meanwhile in Oregon by Aighearach · · Score: 5, Interesting

      It only hit Hermiston. Mostly it was farther north.

      Having already seen the media reports hours ago, it is already known that it is from Siberia, on the Pacific coast. This is where most of the rain in the NW comes from.

      People speculating Mexico or Guatamala are simply new to the meteorology of the region. To local sources a glance at a recent eruption map makes and it is instantly obvious there is 1 known candidate, and it would explain it perfectly.

      ("Just rain" in my part of Oregon, too)

    2. Re:Meanwhile in Oregon by SgtAaron · · Score: 3, Interesting

      People speculating Mexico or Guatamala are simply new to the meteorology of the region. To local sources a glance at a recent eruption map makes and it is instantly obvious there is 1 known candidate, and it would explain it perfectly.

      ("Just rain" in my part of Oregon, too)

      Same here in Bend. It's been pretty windy, trees falling. Nowhere like the rain west of the mountains of course. But there were fires all around last summer. No dirty rain falling here. Hell, at 50+ degrees it's almost been like a spring rain. So sorry for our mountain snow pack, however.

      Siberia though, makes more sense. The jet stream seems to be pushing a lot of air our way. Not just dirty Beijing air, either, it seems. Or is it... ? :)

      I grew up in Spokane and was there when St. Helens erupted. That was ash fall.

    3. Re:Meanwhile in Oregon by Aighearach · · Score: 2

      I was in Ellensburg for St. Helens, it was dark for 3 days. The government said to wait for test results before going outside, in case of deadly gas, but we just waited until we saw birds taking dust baths. My family moved south about the time the roads were clear.

    4. Re:Meanwhile in Oregon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "This is where most of the rain in the NW comes from..."

      Just not this storm. All sub tropical moisture. That's why the high wind is from the south and it's raining on and off at MT. Bachelor (base ~6300 ft).

    5. Re:Meanwhile in Oregon by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      Wet weather with wind from the south generally starts from the South China Sea, in the Bay of Thailand area, comes past Hawaii, and makes a break north off the coast of California.

      Most of our wet weather is colder, and comes via the Bering Sea or the Gulf of Alaska.

      When we get weather that is significantly from the South of us it is when the Great Basin spills a dry high pressure zone over onto us. Then it can be from Mexico or further, via Arizona.

      Anything coming in off the ocean will have come mostly from the West, regardless of the local wind direction after it makes landfall. Because, the Earth spins.

  10. Leftover Ash? by hedgemage · · Score: 4, Informative

    Uh, the Northwest is a big place and the air is anything but stagnant. We entered the wet season a couple of months ago, so the chances of the particulates being locally originated is laughable since everything has been pretty moist for weeks. The Time article cites no sources about "ash leftover from last year's fires" so I'm going to assume that someone was either pulling something completely out of context or out of their anal cavity or both.

    1. Re:Leftover Ash? by ITRambo · · Score: 1

      You nailed it. How can last years wildfires produce volcanic ash? Definitely sounds like a pulled-from-ass level of comment. Fine ash blown west from a Russian eruption is more logical.

    2. Re:Leftover Ash? by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      Presumably they found that on the comments page.

    3. Re:Leftover Ash? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fire burns trees.
      Trees fall down.
      Scare animals.
      Animals run into military base.
      Animals accidentally set off bombs.
      Bombs knock a lava dome into an unsteady state.
      Minor tremor sets off eruption.
      Eruption creates ash.

    4. Re:Leftover Ash? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Slashdot has a long tradition of pulling the most amazing stuff out of anal cavities.

      But this stuff is from Siberia. Unless some bump on the Alaskan archipegalo just cut loose a sooty one.

    5. Re: Leftover Ash? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you not mean east, not west? If not then no, ash blowing west then travelling 3/4 of the globe to land in only WA does not seem most logical.

  11. obvious by slashmydots · · Score: 2

    It's either time-traveling ashes or an alien spaceship that burned up in our atmosphere. Come on, I figured that out in seconds.

    1. Re:obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You've got it all wrong. It's time-travelling ashes from an alien spaceship that is about to crash in the region. GET OUT OF THERE

  12. China's pollution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Suck it westie hipsters

  13. yeah, you got us, it's the chemtrail thing by bazorg · · Score: 5, Funny

    Some of the sheeple I monitor on FB figured out that "they" are spreading thought control gas using airplane fuel. At the last meeting of the Illuminati board I asked if we could contaminate fuel supplies worldwide why weren't we doing that with regular car fuel instead... would reach more people rather than just those under flight paths. Then one of the guys came up with the idea of adding the thought control formula to erupting volcanoes so that it's harder to trace it to us. I still think it's a bit inefficient and too 007-super-villain way of doing things but the higher ups always know best. oh well. Back to fudging the lottery numbers for next weekend I guess.

    1. Re:yeah, you got us, it's the chemtrail thing by l0n3s0m3phr34k · · Score: 1

      fnord

  14. I know what it is! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's the rapture.

  15. Look out, here we go again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Only a matter of time before the US government uses it as a pretext to bomb someone.

    1. Re:Look out, here we go again by sumdumass · · Score: 1

      Nah.. this administrationand science departments will just clsim it is global warming andvdemand some new powers.

  16. And I stayed indoors most of the day, by Trax3001BBS · · Score: 1

    It rain most of the day here in Washington next to the Oregon border, only dog would of noticed; and he didn't seem concerned.

    1. Re:And I stayed indoors most of the day, by Trax3001BBS · · Score: 1

      It rain most of the day here in Washington next to the Oregon border, only dog would of noticed; and he didn't seem concerned.

      Update: this morning I went outside and everything was covered with dirt subtle in some areas, I started to think about this article so checked out my white truck, it's covered in dirt. Ya we got something dumped on us.

    2. Re:And I stayed indoors most of the day, by Trax3001BBS · · Score: 1

      It rain most of the day here in Washington next to the Oregon border, only dog would of noticed; and he didn't seem concerned.

      I started to think about this article so checked out my white truck, it's covered in dirt. Ya we got something dumped on us.

      Dirt is misleading it's of a blackish nature on a white surface, I took a magnetic to it but inconclusive.

    3. Re:And I stayed indoors most of the day, by Guy+From+V · · Score: 1

      Where are you located? Sounds like we might be neighbors.

    4. Re:And I stayed indoors most of the day, by Trax3001BBS · · Score: 1

      Where are you located? Sounds like we might be neighbors.

      Tri-Cities.

    5. Re:And I stayed indoors most of the day, by Guy+From+V · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I was wondering about it maybe being magnetic because of the weird AM band disturbances...I even got some small spikes on my SDR way down into the ELF band where there isn't ever anything. The K garlicy smell was wild, too.

    6. Re:And I stayed indoors most of the day, by Trax3001BBS · · Score: 1

      Where are you located? Sounds like we might be neighbors.

      Tri-Cities.

      I said that off the cuff, I sent another reply that didn't seem to make it:
      60 miles away from you and it was 63 degrees yesterday while the norm has been 40-50.

  17. Are amateur scientists EXTINCT? by TheRealHocusLocus · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Heh, it would be pretty easy to figure out if it was wooden ash or volcanic ash.

    Yeah, lack of even simple chemical analysis -- let alone spectral at this point in time. It's disturbing. I've been tracking this odd phenomenon, I even had a Slashdot submission typed up about it. No, not about the cloud/substance itself, about the reaction.

    We seem to be a whole country filled with cell phone cameras, social media sharers, windshield wipers, action news reporters, meteorologists running computer models. Our news sources (correctly) posit that it is likely volcanic ash, and the comments on the news stories are peppered with the usual shallow pond tripe about chemtrails, Fukushima crap. And a news item here and there ends with some expert musing obviously, "without a chemical analysis it's difficult to tell..."

    Every one is seeming to allude to a a series of samples collected and sent to a lab by the Weather Service. We're not curious enough to go out and get the stuff ourselves, that's the job of experts. We're all waiting --- not for more information, such as preliminary results of base composition... nope, we will wait for the source to be scientifically determined beyond doubt, at which point a press conference will be held.

    Here is an interesting mystery that has dropped right into our lap. How many chem labs are in the affected area? How many undergrad students, Universities laboratories? How many mass spectrometers?

    It's like the Dog That Didn't Bark. Blah blah blah, no actual boots on the ground analysis. News blah, wait for expert results blah.

    In a world with more technical capability than ever before,
    less than ever was actually attempted.

    Could be fallout from a Transit Cloud
    Or residue from a Brain Cloud

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    1. Re:Are amateur scientists EXTINCT? by chmod+a+x+mojo · · Score: 1

      Maybe because it's not that easy?

      OK, so I go out and collect enough muddy water in a non-contaminated vessel, and happen to have a microscope powerful enough to see particulate matter that can be airborn for 2-3k+ Miles. Say it turns out to be volcanic in origin... then what? I personally have access to a XRD machine, but scans would show.... nothing since volcanic glass is amorphous ( no crystal structure ). Maybe the XRF could pick out a few peaks from microcrystalline structures, but it's highly unlikely that I can get a fine enough focus unless I luck out with a very large light chunk of ash... but funding for the sciences has been going down steadily for over a decade ( cut 80%+ in the last 12 years here ) and the XRF machine has been down for almost as long. We don't even have a mass spectrometer... the only reason our XRD machine is still running is a large school in the next state occasionally sends us stuff to XRD, and will run some of our stuff on their SEM.

      Most people wouldn't even have access to a powerful microscope, much less any of the other geochemical tools needed.

      Then say I did get same data of chemical / mineral composition, where is the geochemical database for recently recently erupted volcanoes? I can't say with any type of certainty that this eruption came from X volcano since it closely matches the rock compositions from the last eruption 600 years ago. Even data from 6mos - 1 year+ is sketchy since it would be more than possible that the melt from this eruption is chemically distinct from the prior one ( hence why it stopped for a while, then restarted ).

      TL;DR: The most a lay person could really do is identify the general origin as being volcanic / or possibly wood in origin, and only if they happen to have a REALLY strong microscope.

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    2. Re:Are amateur scientists EXTINCT? by MtViewGuy · · Score: 1

      I'm actually surprised that someone at university in the Pacific Northwest has not taken a sample of the rainwater and do some chemical analysis. If it is volcanic ash, they need to compare against the volcanic ash spewed out from Sakurajima just east of the city of Kagoshima in Japan or the Shiveluch volcano on the Kamchatka Peninsula of Russia, both of which have erupted in the last month or so.

    3. Re:Are amateur scientists EXTINCT? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Welcome to mob mentality and the Information Age, eh?

      I'm really surprised you didn't realize they had engineered this sort of complacency over the last two decades.

    4. Re:Are amateur scientists EXTINCT? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Here is an interesting mystery that has dropped right into our lap. How many chem labs are in the affected area? How many undergrad students, Universities laboratories? How many mass spectrometers?

      Because maybe it is not as simple as just dropping it into a mass spectrometer and reading a print out? Analysis of such samples still often requires a lot of labor and/or experience. I've lost count of the number of times I've seen some amateur put up visible spectroscopy results online and not realize they were just looking at components of the atmosphere, but insist it is some obscure element instead. Heck, it happens at the professional level too, and I've caught results from undergrad and grad students that were clearly not calibrated right or contaminated, either due to lack of experience or because some things are much harder to analyze than others. It takes time to do things right, and for someone to double check others work, and often it doesn't involve dropping everything else going on at the same time.

    5. Re:Are amateur scientists EXTINCT? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is all very complicated and most likely it will not do us any good anyway. Instead we can blame Putin, which is fun, makes sense and could generate so much needed economic activity in our military-industrial complex.

    6. Re:Are amateur scientists EXTINCT? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      wish I had modpoints to give you for the Joe Vs Volcano reference. And kudos on the overall insightfulness. We've got the tools, but aren't focusing enough on technique.

  18. Ground Zero by Guy+From+V · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I'm right here in Walla Walla County and I can say that I noticed odd things beginning the night before last following one of the warmest chinooks I can remember in my life, it reached 72 F outside my house after being in the low 30s under 12 hours before. Within hours after that began, odd AM radio reception disturbances that came and went in waves from total static to unbelievably good and seemingly overpowered sometimes within seconds and other times over maybe 15 minutes started. I noticed an odd metallic aftertaste when I woke up the next morning (unlike blood or iron), all of these things happened before I even knew any of this was going on. I do a little playing around with software defined radio and radio telescopy/aircraft communication apps and I saw readings that lit up whole areas very high up nor could I receive any plane comms which was pretty unusual.

    The volcanic ash story seems pretty specious to me, I'm more inclined to believe the TIME hypothesis of wildfire ash because the chinook was very abrupt and warm, I can grasp how an odd temperature inversion in such a short amount of time along with high speed winds might pick up heavier ash particles that wouldn't normally travel, lift them up very high, then drop them over my area. Volcanic ash doesn't travel large distances and drop suddenly in a small area all at once. Even if it did, I would think that there would have been much, much more present. This stuff in the rain was also not at pulverized as volcanic ash, I still have a vial of Mt. St. Helens' ash my parents gathered nearby from when I was really young. This stuff was also a good deal darker. I can say that it does not smell like soot, it has a faint metallic/garlic one but it doesn't permeate the area like I'd think it would. Just wanted to give a "man-on-the-ground" report for my fellow /.ers.

    1. Re:Ground Zero by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      I noticed an odd metallic aftertaste when I woke up the next morning (unlike blood or iron), all of these things happened before I even knew any of this was going on.

      The manual specifically states your not supposed to sleep with the tin foil hat. This is what happens. Now you are all contaminated.

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    2. Re:Ground Zero by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's those Walla Walla onions

    3. Re:Ground Zero by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm in the Tri-Cities, 50 miles west of Guy From V. We got it pretty heavy here. It was very pronounced on my darker colored car. If not for the news articles, most of us wouldn't have thought about it twice. This is pretty common around here since it's usually windy and we get little rain. When it does rain, mud for the first little while.

      I'm going with the wildfire ash too. After it dried you can blow most of it away. St. Helens volcanic ash, once it got wet it was like clay. I also had some breathing difficulties for the two days before this (bad lungs), like I get with forest fire or grass burning smoke. Blowing silt (we even had an honest haboob last year) doesn't bother me.

    4. Re:Ground Zero by frank_adrian314159 · · Score: 1

      Metallic/garlic taste would tend to indicate some sort of Sulphur/Selenium compounds in whatever you were tasting. I could see that coming from volcanic ash.

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    5. Re:Ground Zero by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm all the way over in Seattle and have gotten a very weird lingering metallic taste several times this weekend. It definitely seemed metallic but it wasn't like any metal dust I've tasted before, and I've been exposed to more than my fair share. I'm starting to wonder if we got a little bit of whatever was dumped on you guys. Or maybe it's just coincidence.

  19. "Pineapple Express" (i.e. from Hawaii) by jdagius · · Score: 2

    http://news.yahoo.com/pineappl...
    Are there volcanoes in Hawaii? (And, do bears sleep in the woods?)

  20. Cant understand this but _can_ predict climate ? by fygment · · Score: 0

    No this isn't "weather", this is large scale transport of particles in the atmosphere. And that is kind of critical to understanding climate (and weather).
    Which simply tells you that the models, while possibly precise, are not accurate.
    And when you are talking about sweeping changes in government policy or, more frighteningly, attempts at geo-engineering, then your models should be very accurate.
    Or come with a warning and a statement of margin of error.

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  21. Pollution by magarity · · Score: 1

    It's probably industrial pollution from China

  22. Industrial Tectonics by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 1

    Geo-engineering

    Back in the '60s and '70s a friend and I would occasionally take a back road from Ann Arbor to the "Dexter-Chelsea Industrial Complex" (a Vietnam War in-joke). We'd pass a small commercial site (always deserted on weekends) labeled "Industrial Tectonics".

    She made up a nice rant about how they're been hired by the "Committee to Reunite Gonwanaland" to adjust continental drift to re-merge the continents into a single supercontinent.

    (Later I found that "industrial tectonics" was about making fancy ball-shaped things of metal, ceramic, etc. for things like bearings, valves, and shot-peening (surface treating metals to create desired effects by tumbling them in an industrial-scale "cement mixer" with a bunch of ball bearings or other small, hard, objects.) Spheres, yes. Continental drift engineering, no. B-( Though I suppose you COULD speed up continental drift by injecting enough fancy ball bearings into faults, ala fracking.)

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  23. Re:Cant understand this but _can_ predict climate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It is also critical to understand that if you are going to criticize others for their misstatements, particularly something that minor, you shouldn't start your second sentence with the word "and"...

  24. Nothing exotic, Reno windstorm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nothing exotic, the dust came from a windstorm that hit northwest Nevada and then carried north by the clouds to dump out over eastern WA...