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US Gas Pump Hacked With 'Anonymous' Tagline

An anonymous reader writes Researchers at Trend Micro have uncovered a gas pump in the United States whose ID has been changed from 'DIESEL' to 'WE_ARE_LEGION' — the call-sign of the Anonymous hacking group. Following up recent revelations regarding the vulnerability of gas pump systems to online attackers, the researchers found 1,515 completely unprotected gas pump monitoring devices via the Shodan device-based search engine. The report notes that the exposed devices are capable of being protected via six-digit pins, but this security measure is not being used. The report concludes: "Our investigation shows that the tampering of an Internet-facing device resulted in a name change. But sooner or later, real world implications will occur, causing possible outages or even worse."

101 comments

  1. But... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Can you change the price?

    1. Re:But... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can you change the price?

      1. Buy natural gas futures
      2. Run a perl script to blow up Henry Hub
      3. Profit!!!

    2. Re:But... by FooAtWFU · · Score: 1

      3. Profit!!!

      3. Go to Guantanamo. Go directly to Guantanamo. Do not pass Go. Do not collect $200 billion.

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    3. Re:But... by Albanach · · Score: 2

      Can you change the price?

      From the article photo, it looks like the 'pump' is actually some sort of monitoring device used to track how much gas/diesel is in the storage tanks. I imagine that gets used by suppliers to anticipate delivery requirements.

      I don't know if the same system is used to control the pricing at the customer pumps, and the article doesn't make it clear. I'd guess than since this was published there are going to be some who will be trying it out though.

    4. Re:But... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Guantanamo? Pasty basement script-kiddies aren't going to Guantanamo; that's for the the jihadists.

    5. Re:But... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Guantanamo? Pasty basement script-kiddies aren't going to Guantanamo; that's for the the jihadists.

      Jihadists? Guantanamo isn't for jihadists; it's for the drivers and cooks and possible past neighbors of jihadists.

    6. Re:But... by morgauxo · · Score: 1

      How do you know? Who is there and why is a secret! Anybody could be in Guantanamo if you can't find them!

    7. Re:But... by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Guantanamo is for everyone who threatens the status qu... huh? Damn, 2015, really?

      Uh... disregard 'til 2018, ok?

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    8. Re:But... by JonWan · · Score: 1

      What makes you think it will change in 2018?

    9. Re:But... by wiredlogic · · Score: 1

      More like:

      1. Buy a gasoline refinery
      2. Jack up the market price immediately when oil futures rise
      3. Delay dropping the price when the futures drop.
      4. Too big to fail PROFIT!!!

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    10. Re:But... by knarfling · · Score: 1

      Can you change the price?

      From the article photo, it looks like the 'pump' is actually some sort of monitoring device used to track how much gas/diesel is in the storage tanks. I imagine that gets used by suppliers to anticipate delivery requirements.

      I don't know if the same system is used to control the pricing at the customer pumps, and the article doesn't make it clear. I'd guess than since this was published there are going to be some who will be trying it out though.

      Depends on the monitoring device. Some of the monitoring devices connect to both the pumps and the tanks so that you can compare how much gas was pumped vs how much gas is left in the tank. Although it is not 100% accurate, if there are leaks or pumps that are way out of calibration, the device might be the first indication that there is a problem. And yes, the major use is to track how many times a tanker needs to come by and fill up the storage tanks.

      On systems with Pay-at-the-Pump that take credit/debit cards, the same device connects the pumps to the authorization systems. Sometimes this is over a phone line, but some deal with satellite or internet connection to the authorization centers. These monitoring devices have a lot more control over what is displayed at the pump, and sometimes you can change pricing through the device. The ones that have this kind of control are *supposed* to have better security, but having to type a pin or password each time you connect to it is "really inconvenient."

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    11. Re:But... by kelemvor4 · · Score: 2

      3. Profit!!!

      3. Go to Guantanamo. Go directly to Guantanamo. Do not pass Go. Do not collect $200 billion.

      What do you mean? Isn't Guantanamo all about collecting $200 billion?

    12. Re:But... by kelemvor4 · · Score: 1

      What makes you think it will change in 2018?

      The new candidates will campaign on a platform of "change" and presumably will pledge to close gitmo. Oh wait....shit.

    13. Re:But... by tnk1 · · Score: 2

      Gitmo isn't a secret prison. That's not where they send the people who they really want to keep hidden. The real point of Gitmo is storage of people who they don't want to give a civilian trial to, not secret incarceration.

      Those secret prisoners that we have are likely located in places where the media and general population aren't talking about.

    14. Re:But... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So they sent'em to the pigs eh?

    15. Re:But... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For "Pay-at-the-Pump" systems there is NO connection between the automated tank gauge and the authorization system. These devices are peers attached to the same device and there is NO logical link between them except to pass fuel transaction info to the tank gauge. Hacking the tank gauge will get a hacker no where near critical parts of the point-of-sale and it will certainly not get them anywhere near being able to change dispenser prices.

    16. Re:But... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just to add, I've interfaced with a couple types of systems (one being the most common at gas stations). Neither had any linkage to the pricing, even read-only, in any of the published commands or unpublished ones that I was aware of.

      Based on the image, I'm guessing they only set an internal label for the tank that's probably rarely seen by anyone. The most likely harm is if a system matches on that text to pull in data for reporting (with some of these devices, matching on non-ideal things like descriptions is sometimes your only option).

    17. Re:But... by nitehawk214 · · Score: 1

      If you are going to go to that trouble, why not just attach a skimmer to the credit card reader?

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    18. Re:But... by RyoShin · · Score: 1

      Yes, but you have to have substantial capital to use as influence in the commodities market and perhaps a connection to some mercenaries in an oil-rich country, primarily in the middle east.

  2. Even worse: free gas by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Power to the people.

  3. lower the price by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    please, be a white hat, do some community a service ;~)

    1. Re:lower the price by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You think stealing from a franchisee is doing the community a service? That may be how it works in your video games but not in real life. He will probably have to lay someone off the account for the loss.

  4. Internet of Things by penguinoid · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Can't wait to have internet connected devices all over my house!

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    1. Re:Internet of Things by BronsCon · · Score: 1

      To be fair, if the manufacturers of the devices you have in your house are as competent as the manufacturers of the devices compromised here, it would be mostly your fault if they got hacked; the station owners never set up the passcodes. I say mostly because the manufacturer did limit it to a 6 digit numeric code, but even a weak security measure is better than none at all; presumably, these also report failed logins, which would have alerted the owner to a problem before the hackers got in, but how useful is that when the owner doesn't require a login in the first place?

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    2. Re:Internet of Things by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      To be fair, if the manufacturers of the devices you have in your house are as competent as the manufacturers of the devices compromised here,

      How much hope for security do you have in a system which has no password by default, and limits the password to a six-digit numeric code? You don't think that system is vulnerable all over the place?

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    3. Re:Internet of Things by BronsCon · · Score: 1

      but even a weak security measure is better than none at all

      At least the vendors put *some* thought into security. These systems are intended to be accessed via other systems which often have a numeric keypad as their only source of input, so it actually makes sense that the password would be so limited; it's stronger than your ATM PIN, which is really only secure because it's backed by somewhat robust intrusion detection (fail your PIN 3 times, ATM keeps the card, attack stops).

      Mind you, there are ways around that, but it's enough to stop most attackers, as the dumb ones won't know how to get around it and the smart ones won't be willing to put forth the expense unless they're 100% positive they can get more out of the account than it will cost them to get at it; but we already know it's much more difficult to stop a targeted attack like that. Given the seeming success of the ATM PIN, a simple 6 digit passcode, rate limiting, and reporting failed logins would be more than adequate to protect this system, perhaps coupled with a blacklist; we don't know that the additional features don't exist, since the station owner couldn't be assed to enable the passcode, which is the first step in making any of that even remotely useful; even more likely is that the devices ship with a huge "CONNECT TO INTERNAL NETWORK ONLY" label, which was also ignored.

      IMO shipping with *no* default password is safer than shipping with, say, the same default on all devices or a default based on the device's serial number, which seems to be the norm lately; at least then you *know* it's not actually protected. Default passwords provide a false sense of security to people who don't realize that everyone and their mother has the means to find out what that password is; it's the equivalent to no password at all, without the benefit of being so obviously insecure.

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    4. Re:Internet of Things by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      IMO shipping with *no* default password is safer than shipping with, say, the same default on all devices or a default based on the device's serial number, which seems to be the norm lately; at least then you *know* it's not actually protected. Default passwords provide a false sense of security to people who don't realize that everyone and their mother has the means to find out what that password is; it's the equivalent to no password at all, without the benefit of being so obviously insecure.

      If you're trying to help incompetent people, it's better to not let the device operate until they set up a password (and then not let them use any password that shows up on a 'thousand most common passwords' list.

      If you don't have time to do it the right way now, when will you find time to fix it?

      Nice sig.

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    5. Re:Internet of Things by BronsCon · · Score: 1

      Yes, that's better, but if your competition makes it easier for them to get up and running, the average incompetent user will use your competition. That brings us back to no password or a simple default.

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  5. In the "Internet of Things" world by ihtoit · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Anonymous owns your fridge, your eighty thousand pound Tesla, your PACEMAKER.

    Take your Internet of Things and stick it up your arse. My shit might be stone age, but I OWN IT.

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    1. Re:In the "Internet of Things" world by squiggleslash · · Score: 3, Funny

      I don't know, I've found my Internet connected pacemaker to be pretty useful, gives me stats, automatically informs my doctor if there's a problem, it's nice. And there is good security with a password and full logging, as anyone browsing to http //172.16.54.138/admin.php?include=/usr/share/www/basic-authentication.php&log=/home/pacemaker/default.log&addlog=2015-02-12%2011:21:00%20Initiated%20login can clearly see.

      Best part: the guy who wrote the software apparently used to work for what was, until a year or so ago, the biggest Bitcoin exchange in the world, so with a background in handling sensitive financial transactions he obviously knows a lot about security.

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    2. Re:In the "Internet of Things" world by ihtoit · · Score: 1

      oh snap! lol you nearly had me up until the Mt. Gox thing.

      Well played.

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    3. Re:In the "Internet of Things" world by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What happens to it when IPv4 dies?

    4. Re:In the "Internet of Things" world by Opportunist · · Score: 2

      My shit might be stone age, but I OWN IT.

      Uh.... Mosanto's on the line, they want to have a word with you...

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    5. Re:In the "Internet of Things" world by ihtoit · · Score: 1

      I'd respond with something witty but I'm laughing too fuckin' hard! :D

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    6. Re:In the "Internet of Things" world by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      You may be laughing, but I'm fairly sure their lawyers are already finding out whether they can slap you with a fine for not paying for those "derived works" you create with their product.

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    7. Re:In the "Internet of Things" world by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This was a triumph!
      I'm making a note here:
      Huge success!
      [...]
      I'm not even angry...
      I'm being so sincere right now.
      Even though you broke my heart,
      and killed me.
      [...]
      I've experiments to run.
      There is research to be done.
      On the people who are
      still alive.
      And believe me I am
      still alive.
      I'm doing science and I'm
      still alive.
      I feel fantastic and I'm
      still alive.
      While you're dying I'll be
      still alive.
      And when you're dead I will be
      still alive.
      still alive.
      still alive.

      CAPTCHA: Comedy

    8. Re:In the "Internet of Things" world by ubrgeek · · Score: 1

      And nothing of value was lost.

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    9. Re:In the "Internet of Things" world by Dragonslicer · · Score: 3, Funny

      My shit might be stone age

      Damn, what the hell have you been eating?

    10. Re:In the "Internet of Things" world by rgbscan · · Score: 4, Funny

      Paleo diet strikes again....

    11. Re:In the "Internet of Things" world by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      your eighty thousand pound Tesla

      I don't know what you're feeding it, but that fat Tesla needs to go on a diet.

    12. Re:In the "Internet of Things" world by Duhavid · · Score: 1

      I don't know, I've found my Internet connected pacemaker to be pretty useful, gives me stats, automatically informs my doctor if there's a problem, it's nice. And there is good security with a password and full logging, as anyone browsing to http //172.16.54.138/admin.php?include=/usr/share/www/basic-authentication.php&log=/home/pacemaker/default.log&addlog=2015-02-12%2011:21:00%20Initiated%20login can clearly see.

      Best part: the guy who wrote the software apparently used to work for what was, until a yea...

      FTFY :-)

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    13. Re:In the "Internet of Things" world by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      paleo diet

    14. Re:In the "Internet of Things" world by antdude · · Score: 1

      Yep, people think I am crazy for being stone age with old stuff (Casio Data Bank 150 watch, analog bone conduction hearing aid, KVM from Y2K for VGA and PS/2 stuff, analog speakers, VCR, CRT TV, etc.) I still use. They still work for me, so why do I need newer stuff?

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    15. Re:In the "Internet of Things" world by ihtoit · · Score: 1

      dude, CDB150?? My watch is powered by a spring! The most advanced bit on it is the slide rule bezel. Which for some reason pushes its insurable value to ridiculous.

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    16. Re:In the "Internet of Things" world by antdude · · Score: 1

      But can it do math, record appointments, alarms, stopwatch, keep phone numbers, etc.?

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    17. Re:In the "Internet of Things" world by ihtoit · · Score: 1

      it does math, it has a stopwatch, and there is even built in ability to navigate anywhere on the planet without the need to download maps.

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    18. Re:In the "Internet of Things" world by antdude · · Score: 1

      Yeah? Show me.

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    19. Re:In the "Internet of Things" world by ihtoit · · Score: 1

      here it is: http://www.leguidedesmontres.c...

      It is a beautiful piece of kit. Stupendously accurate, reassuringly ticktickticktick in a quiet room (I say it's too noisy if I can't hear my watch!), and since I was given it I've never had to pick up my calculator. Or my Tomtom. I can use just what you see there to pinpoint my location down to 17 yards within less time than it takes my Tomtom to lock in.

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    20. Re:In the "Internet of Things" world by antdude · · Score: 1

      Cool, but where is the phonebook, calendar, etc.? :P

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    21. Re:In the "Internet of Things" world by ihtoit · · Score: 1

      didn't say it had those... but that's nothing a folded slip of paper under the case won't fix ;)

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    22. Re:In the "Internet of Things" world by antdude · · Score: 1

      Bah. Useless then. Pretty, but useless.

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    23. Re:In the "Internet of Things" world by ihtoit · · Score: 1

      say that when your battery dies. :)

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    24. Re:In the "Internet of Things" world by antdude · · Score: 1

      :P

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  6. An application named Shodan? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What could possibly go wrong?

  7. Wrong summary title by OzPeter · · Score: 4, Informative

    TFA says that a Gas Pump Monitoring device was hacked, and the pic in TFA shows a screen capture from an inventory system. No mention is made of a Gas Pump being hacked. Thus the headline of TFS stating that a gas pump was hacked is pure click bait.

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    1. Re:Wrong summary title by OzPeter · · Score: 1

      OK .. well after posting my comment I read the TFA again and saw that the headline of the TFA says gas pump and the body of the TFA says gas pump monitoring system. So there is confusion all over the place in TFA.

      But when you dig down into the report that TFA refers to, you find that the heading of that is Is Anonymous Attacking Internet Exposed Gas Pump Monitoring Systems in the US?

      So even though my comment was a bit sloppy, the context of the story was changed between the original report and TFA.

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    2. Re:Wrong summary title by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But this is /. who reads TFA before commenting?

  8. Nooooooo!!!!! by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

    "But sooner or later, real world implications will occur, causing possible outages or even worse ."

    Like setting gas to $0.01 a gallon.

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  9. We Are Legion? by turkeydance · · Score: 1

    is this a Christian Bible reference or reverence?

    1. Re:We Are Legion? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's lame as fuck. At least that much is known.

    2. Re:We Are Legion? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Reference, obviously. Anonymous is a legion of evil spirits, liable to possess and drown a herd of swine.

    3. Re:We Are Legion? by Tempest_2084 · · Score: 2

      Yes. Mark 5:9 to be exact.

      >>And Jesus asked him, “What is your name?” He replied, “My name is Legion, for we are many.”

    4. Re:We Are Legion? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      4Chan Or biblical. What's the difference?

  10. Re:More draconian punishments, still no security by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

    If we could convert EVERYONE to Christianism, they would all have morals and this kind of thing would not happen!

    Just think how much more peaceful the world would be if everyone was a true and honest God Fearing Christian?

    Why can't people see and realise this? It's so obvious, yet you have Atheists and other religions destroying our world.

    THIS, my friends, is why we Christians can seem to pushy at times with our agenda. God has spoken to us and He has told us that this is how things need to be for true peace on earth.

    Please, everyone, CONVERT CONVERT CONVERT! Let the Lorde in to your lives!

  11. Six digit PINs? by mlts · · Score: 2

    I don't get why these devices are on the Internet in the first place. If access is needed to read statistics, have an internal server scoop the info from the SCADA servers, hand it to a DMZ server, and the external applications use SSL with client authentication (both sides authenticate to each other using keys), to fetch the data, or if it has to be a person doing this, have a web server on the DMZ that is accessed via 2FA for this info. If the SCADA boxes have to be controlled through the Internet, then there is always a high security VPN that uses smart cards or USB crypto tokens.

    One project I had a few years ago was to get data from manufacturing systems (systems which could be on the Internet, but at best, had security strapped on at the last moment... so they were not secure) to remote receivers. I ended up putting the systems on one isolated subnet with a Linux box that would scan them, then shove the data through a serial port with the Rx line cut (so it could only transmit, not receive.) The machine on the other end of the cable would take the data from the serial port and format it into useful reports, which wound up on a decently secure webserver.

    No, this system wasn't fast, but it did the job where info could be read but a blackhat couldn't tamper with the isolated network without physical access.

    1. Re:Six digit PINs? by DerekLyons · · Score: 1

      No, this system wasn't fast, but while it did the job it was a bit of a lashup that required extra coding, installation, and maintenance where info could be read but a blackhat couldn't tamper with the isolated network without physical access.

      TFTFY.

      The parts you left out are why you don't grasp why the devices are on the internet.

    2. Re:Six digit PINs? by dj245 · · Score: 1

      I don't get why these devices are on the Internet in the first place. If access is needed to read statistics, have an internal server scoop the info from the SCADA servers, hand it to a DMZ server, and the external applications use SSL with client authentication (both sides authenticate to each other using keys), to fetch the data, or if it has to be a person doing this, have a web server on the DMZ that is accessed via 2FA for this info. If the SCADA boxes have to be controlled through the Internet, then there is always a high security VPN that uses smart cards or USB crypto tokens.

      One project I had a few years ago was to get data from manufacturing systems (systems which could be on the Internet, but at best, had security strapped on at the last moment... so they were not secure) to remote receivers. I ended up putting the systems on one isolated subnet with a Linux box that would scan them, then shove the data through a serial port with the Rx line cut (so it could only transmit, not receive.) The machine on the other end of the cable would take the data from the serial port and format it into useful reports, which wound up on a decently secure webserver.

      No, this system wasn't fast, but it did the job where info could be read but a blackhat couldn't tamper with the isolated network without physical access.

      We're talking gas stations here. Frequently these are small businesses with a single location, sometimes operating on a franchise model. Even if you think that the parent franchise should be pushing high security standards, there are a lot of independent 1-location operators out there. They aren't going to be set up the same as an industrial plant. Berating them for that is a bit silly.

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    3. Re:Six digit PINs? by packrat0x · · Score: 1

      The devices are installed by the oil company/credit card processor (yes, they're usually one in the same). The fuel stations are run by people (either owner/operators or corporate employees) who have skill sets in things other than network administration. They probably never read the manual that came with the devices.

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    4. Re:Six digit PINs? by mlts · · Score: 1

      The ironic thing is that this setup has been in place for at least seven years, and is still working without issue. Otherwise, I'd definitely be made aware that it was not working.

      I'll turn the question around... why does a device have to be onto the Internet if it doesn't have to? I do admit I did a low tech solution without going through extensive third party data diode, firewall, and other offerings... but it has worked without issue or need for upkeep for years now.

    5. Re:Six digit PINs? by DerekLyons · · Score: 1

      The ironic thing is that this setup has been in place for at least seven years, and is still working without issue. Otherwise, I'd definitely be made aware that it was not working.

      You can't draw a curve through a single point.
       

      I'll turn the question around... why does a device have to be onto the Internet if it doesn't have to?

      Well, the "doesn't have to" represent an assumption on your part. For a lot of things, it's awfully dang convenient, reduces or eliminates, human error, and saves a ton of man-hours.

    6. Re:Six digit PINs? by luther349 · · Score: 1

      becouse everything must be online no matter how pointless these days.

  12. Say No to IoT by corychristison · · Score: 1

    This idea that we need to connect /everything/ _directly_ to the internet is insane.

    Device manufacturers have a hard enough time makin devices work, let alone secure them. Even important things like manage switches and home routers have gaping security holes in them, I don't expect a mass sudden outbreak of common sense anytime soon, so we're all doomed, doomed I tell ya!

    1. Re:Say No to IoT by Opportunist · · Score: 2

      I would, if I could.

      You may rest assured, though, that it will be very, very hard to do so. For a few reasons that are quite obvious. One, adding such a gimmick is trivially cheap and since it's one thing you can add to the tickbox list of features, every item will have it. For reference, see cellphones and cameras. I don't want it, I don't need it, I would especially love to get it for our workers (for the obvious reason) but there is not a single cellphone that has no camera or where it is at least easily and permanently disabled that passes the other criteria.

      Same will apply for appliances and internet connection. Few people will actually have a sensible use for it most of the time, but it's trivial to add, it's cheap to implement and since nobody uses it, you won't even have to make it work for more than what's necessary for the showroom presentation.

      And then of course there's that other reason that the makers of the appliances want their gadgets to phone home and report back what you do and how to better annoy you with advertising. Here's a chilling little tidbit straight out of 1984... no, wait, 2015 and it's not a novel, it is actually a TV that spies on you. Or maybe I'm overreacting to the manual stating "Please be aware that if your spoken words include personal or other sensitive information, that information will be among the data captured and transmitted to a third party through your use of Voice Recognition". Must be my paranoia, for sure.

      You think fridge makers wouldn't want to know what kind of junk you eat, washing machines makers don't care how often and what kind of clothing you wash? It's all data that can be mined, sold and bought.

      It will be very, very hard to avoid the internet of things. And it will even be harder to disable the crap in the appliances without throwing warranty away.

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    2. Re:Say No to IoT by briancox2 · · Score: 1

      If in the end Anonymous' one single effect on the real world is to cause people to think cautiously about ridiculously hooking up everything to the internet for laziness, er ... convenience, they will have been nothing more than a boon to the wisdom of humanity. Let's hope that's all they cause.

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    3. Re:Say No to IoT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://www.verizonwireless.com/basic-phones/convoy-3-non-camera/ here's a cell phone with out a camera, available today. Yes, it appears to still have internet, but, that can usually be blocked by the provider. Since you didn't list the "other criteria" I can't say if this phone passes them or not.

  13. Legion... sounds familiar by Beerdood · · Score: 1

    Are we sure this was anonymous? Maybe this was a message from the Legion guy from the Geth. Clearly, he's leveled up recently in his AI hacking skills.

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    1. Re:Legion... sounds familiar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are we sure this was anonymous? Maybe this was a message from the Legion guy from the Geth. Clearly, he's leveled up recently in his AI hacking skills.

      Nice to meet someone else who's thoughts turned to Mass Effect. Although, considering Legion could hack stuff in 22XX, I don't think he'd need to level up.

    2. Re:Legion... sounds familiar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's a feat in one of the books for that.

  14. Re:More draconian punishments, still no security by Opportunist · · Score: 2

    Dude, you got it wrong. If you talk to god, it's called prayer. If god talks to you, it's called psychosis.

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  15. Re:More draconian punishments, still no security by smooth+wombat · · Score: 2

    Or, and I'm just spitballing here, people could not commit a crime or go somewhere they're not supposed to be.

    You know, personal responsibility, do unto others and all that other crap I keep reading on here about how we're supposed to be caring and understanding of our fellow humans.

    If you think it's acceptable for someone to do whatever they want to someone else's property/equipment and not expect to be penalized, then I will be sure to do the same to you and expect the same treatment.

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  16. Re:More draconian punishments, still no security by king+neckbeard · · Score: 1

    I'm not seeing a claim that they shouldn't be any kind of punishment for misdeeds, but that negligence shouldn't be overlooked. If instead of doubling down on making an example of 'hackers' even when their deeds fit within the range of 'mischief', they threw an ounce of culpability on those tasked with securing this infrastructure, we'd all be better off.

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  17. internet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why are gas pumps connected to the internet? Do they have web browsers or a Facebook app?

  18. Re:More draconian punishments, still no security by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you let him speak unto you, you would understand the Truth.

    You need to let Him in. Open up your heart to our savoury!

  19. pretty similar if you ask me. by nimbius · · Score: 1

    to be frank, "We Are Legion," "Expect Us" and "We Do Not Forget" sound just as appropriate as major oil company slogans as they do a hacking collective.

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  20. How about skewing local wholesale prices? by swb · · Score: 1

    What if the storage tank levels and their consumption rates were aggregated and reported to distributors or refiners, and these demand indicators helped set local wholesale prices by some kind of automated system?

    I'm guessing gas prices are mostly "set" by the price of a barrel of oil (or some regional crude oil price), but even if retail inventory wasn't used for calculating price it may be used to influence regional refinery production which could influence price (ie, demand appears slack, refinery output is cut and stockpiles are drawn down, meanwhile demand is actually high and then price goes up to reflect real lack of inventory).

    1. Re:How about skewing local wholesale prices? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The tank levels and consumption rates are used more in helping run the local station more efficiently in ordering fuel, maintenance, etc. I'd guess any aggregation at the level used for setting wholesale prices would be more likely based on something like fuel truck deliveries per day.

  21. Re:More draconian punishments, still no security by Opportunist · · Score: 2

    I dunno, allowing someone to do open heart surgery on me who already once botched a similar operation concerning a rib transplant...

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  22. Possible outages? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Preposterous! Possible siphoning off fuel free-4-all? Most definitely! 8-)

  23. Re:More draconian punishments, still no security by smooth+wombat · · Score: 1

    but that negligence shouldn't be overlooked.

    What negligence? You mean someone left their door unlocked and they deserve to have their stuff stolen? You're blaming the victim?

    As I said in my initial post, how about people not steal other people's stuff or go places they shouldn't be? Or is personal responsibility being cast to the dustbin of history?

    You can try to spin it all you want, but in the end it comes down to one thing: people doing things they shouldn't be doing in the first place. If it were done to them they would be screaming bloody murder, yet when they do it to someone else, "Oh well, they shouldn't have left their door unlocked."

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  24. Re:More draconian punishments, still no security by king+neckbeard · · Score: 1

    Target is a good example. Yes, the people that broke into the system and acquired the CC numbers were malicious actors, but Target and their POS providers were negligent in their security practices, and their customers were harmed by said negligence. You want the story to be a dead simple narrative because it allows you to paint every party in a very particular light, but dead simple narratives are almost universally useless. Negligence or incompetence also tends to cause more damage than malice, so they should be a higher priority.

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  25. Butt, butt... Re:But... by davidwr · · Score: 1

    Those secret prisoners that we have are likely located in places where the media and general population aren't talking about.

    Ah, you must mean the basement restrooms of MSNBC and Fox News. I never hear anyone talking about those places on the air or at the water-cooler, and it makes you wonder what is really happening down there.

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    1. Re:Butt, butt... Re:But... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sounds like ordinary prison to me.

  26. We _could_ have adjusted the prices by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...but as you've suspected, we're really just agents provocateur for the energy industry. So bit us.

  27. How do we know its not Trend Micro by davydagger · · Score: 1

    How do we know someone affilaited with Trend Micro didn't Do what amounted to digital grafiti? No diffrent than some jackass teenager spray painting "Allahu Ackbar" on the bathroom shitter, and then watching dumb fucking cops get scared about terrists.

    1. Re:How do we know its not Trend Micro by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, it's Trend Micro, a place where it's 2015 and their researchers are surprised that people leave default passwords in place.

  28. Butt, butt... Re:But... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sodomy and pegging mainly.

  29. Re:More draconian punishments, still no security by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Then let Him in to your Adam-Hole

  30. Re:More draconian punishments, still no security by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Like I said, it's the Christian way. Christians know who's responsible for temptation. It's in the Lord's Prayer: "And lead us not into temptation"