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Low Vaccination Rates At Silicon Valley Daycare Facilities

Vaccination rates across the U.S. don't neatly correlate with religiosity or wealth; Wired reports that one conspicuous pocket of low vaccination rates, according to California's state database of daycare records, is a place where you might not expect it: Silicon Valley — specifically, the daycare centers at some large tech companies. A WIRED investigation shows that some children attending day care facilities affiliated with prominent Silicon Valley companies have not been completely vaccinated against preventable infectious diseases. At least, that’s according to a giant database from the California Department of Public Health, which tracks the vaccination rates at day care facilities and preschools in the state. We selected more than 20 large technology and health companies in the Bay Area and researched their day care offerings. Of 12 day care facilities affiliated with tech companies, six—that’s half—have below-average vaccination rates, according to the state’s data. ... And those six have a level of measles vaccination that does not provide the “herd immunity” critical to the spread of the disease. Now, this data has limitations—most critically, it might not be current. But it also suggests an incursion of anti-science, anti-vaccine thinking in one of the smartest regions on Earth.

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  1. Not anti-science, anti-authority by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm not surprised by this. There's a particularly rabid strain of libertarianism that seems to hold anything related to authority in contempt, even when it's bound on sound science.

    Since "the man" wants them to be vaccinated, libertarians automatically distrust vaccines.

  2. Its politics/emotions not intelligence level ... by drnb · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Science denial is probably more strongly correlated with politics/emotions not intelligence level. The left and the right merely have different things they are in denial about, different things that touch on their politics and their emotions. And emotions lead people to stand by their beliefs regardless of rational thought and evidence, both on the left and the right.

  3. You don't say! by AdamThor · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "Of 12 day care facilities affiliated with tech companies, six—that’s half—have below-average vaccination rates, according to the state’s data."

    So half of the sample is below average? Hmmm!

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  4. All it will take is by Sir_Eptishous · · Score: 4, Insightful

    for a bunch of these kids to get chickenpox or pertussis and everyones tune will change on vaccinations.

    I grew up with a grandmother who was a nurse during the 20's - 60's. She told me horror stories of what medicine was like before things like penicillin and vaccinations. People died from the simplest things, as they do still, but back then it was more dangerous. We take for granted that we live in a time with less disease than ever in human history.

    People need to wake up.

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  5. "In a place you might not expect it" -- srsly? by bfwebster · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The anti-vaxx movement has been almost entirely among liberals and environmentalist, who view Big Pharma and anything "unnatural" with deep suspicion. I've been highly amused at recent efforts to cast it as a conservative cause; there are some anti-vaxxers among the hard right, but the vast majority are on the left.

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    1. Re:"In a place you might not expect it" -- srsly? by Galaga88 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Silicon Valley is unexpectedly bad for vaccines - it's the perfect mix of anti-science liberals and anti-government libertarians. One group thinks vaccines are poison, the other thinks they're a conspiracy.

  6. More liberal than libertarian by drnb · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm not surprised by this. There's a particularly rabid strain of libertarianism that seems to hold anything related to authority in contempt, even when it's bound on sound science. Since "the man" wants them to be vaccinated, libertarians automatically distrust vaccines.

    If you look at some of these enclaves of anti-vaxxers you will find that they are generally liberal enclaves, not libertarian enclaves.

    1. Re:More liberal than libertarian by Galaga88 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I think it's more common among liberals (which makes me ashamed to call myself a liberal at times) but libertarians have a big problem with vaccines too for different reasons - and Silicon Valley is the kind of place to which libertarians are naturally drawn.

      Since it's California and it's filled with both populations, you just have a double-whammy. :\

    2. Re:More liberal than libertarian by drnb · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I think it's more common among liberals (which makes me ashamed to call myself a liberal at times) but libertarians have a big problem with vaccines too for different reasons - and Silicon Valley is the kind of place to which libertarians are naturally drawn.

      Since it's California and it's filled with both populations, you just have a double-whammy. :\

      Most libertarians I know are reasonable libertarians. They want some service and regulations, they just want such to be minimal and to be served by the lowest and most local level of government. Just enough for basic safety, a level playing field, equal opportunity and most importantly accountability to locals. Not social engineering through the tax code or regulations, not consolidation of power in Washington DC and the lack of accountability to locals that results. But I am in California in a tech hub region, Libertarians may be different in Vermont. :-) The more extreme anti-gov libertarians, the ones you seem to be referring to, I can't image many being drawn to California. California is very high regulation, very high gov't involvement in everything, often to a ridiculous level.

    3. Re:More liberal than libertarian by david_thornley · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You do realize that "level playing field" and "equal opportunity" conflict with "minimal" government and "most local level", right? A lot of government programs are trying to help people in bad situations and give them opportunities, and very frequently local governments serve local prejudices.

      Nobody that I know wants more government than is necessary for government to carry out its proper functions. However, the people I know have very different ideas of proper government functions, and where the balance should be.

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    4. Re:More liberal than libertarian by towermac · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "You do realize that "level playing field" and "equal opportunity" conflict with "minimal" government and "most local level", right? "

      No. That false dichotomy is the message they've been ingraining into us for a long time now. You rule out the possibility, that you can be as free as you can possibly be, *AND*; you live in an egalitarian dynamic wonderful society, where opportunity simply exists as a result.

      With heavy-handed top down government, no matter how wonderful the current head of it is, we don't get that chance.

    5. Re:More liberal than libertarian by jcr · · Score: 4, Insightful

      libertarians have a big problem with vaccines

      Watch it with the broad brush there, sparky. In the words of Frederic Bastiat:

      "every time we object to a thing being done by government, the socialists conclude that we object to its being done at all. We disapprove of state education. Then the socialists say that we are opposed to any education. We object to a state religion. Then the socialists say that we want no religion at all. We object to a state-enforced equality. Then they say that we are against equality. And so on, and so on. It is as if the socialists were to accuse us of not wanting persons to eat because we do not want the state to raise grain.”

      I have no issue with vaccines. I have an issue with government usurping the power to decide what medical treatment I will undergo.

      -jcr

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    6. Re:More liberal than libertarian by MightyMartian · · Score: 4, Insightful

      So if there is an outbreak of measles, you think the state should be rendered impotent, that the lives of others who, for a number of reasons, do not have the luxury of choice over vaccinations (the very young and immuno-compromised people) should be sacrificed on your altar of absolute liberties?

      This is the problem. There is a certain level of libertarianism that is rationale, even positive and beneficial. And then there are is a kind of libertarianism that views society as a sort of dangerous fiction whose only purpose is to steal the absolute and unconstrained liberties that this kind of libertarian believes exists.

      The worst part is that if your type of Libertarian causes the death of a person who cannot be vaccinated for a number of medically legitimate reasons, it could never be reasonably proven in court, so that the basic judicial action that your kind of Libertarian always proclaims as the legitimate way for citizens who have been harmed could not be used.

      Or, to put things more simply, you should be allowed to be a carrier of harmful diseases, and anyone that objects can go get fucked, and if any of them are harmed via your decision, well, too fucking bad.

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    7. Re:More liberal than libertarian by sg_oneill · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'm not even sure if it needs to be about liberties. Just common sense. I can't *force* someone to get vaccinated, but I sure as hell can mock them as harmful teeth grinding retards and lobby my childrens school to exclude their virii infested spawn until their parents wake the fuck up.

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  7. how is this possibly news? by Gorshkov · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Of 12 day care facilities affiliated with tech companies, six—that’s half—have below-average vaccination rates, according to the state’s data.

    In other words, half the day care facilities were below average, and half were above. Isn't that kinda/sort the DEFINITION of average?

  8. Smart and stupid by X10 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Apparently, a person can be very smart and very stupid at the same time.

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  9. Re:anti-science??? by grimmjeeper · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Exactly. Anti-science brought on by a superiority complex, thinking that they are smarter than the scientists who have done huge amounts of research. I can see exactly why this type of thinking is predominate in an area like Silicon Valley. "Don't bother me with the research. I'm smart enough to know everything I need to know already."

  10. Dogs but not people by geekd · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The doggy day care I bring my mutt to won't take her unless she is up to date on all her shots.

    But a people day care does not have this same rule?

    That's just crazy.

  11. Re:Its politics/emotions not intelligence level .. by grimmjeeper · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Science denial is probably more strongly correlated with politics/emotions not intelligence level. The left and the right merely have different things they are in denial about, different things that touch on their politics and their emotions. And emotions lead people to stand by their beliefs regardless of rational thought and evidence, both on the left and the right.

    I disagree. Having spent a lifetime around pig headed engineers (including myself), this is my reasoning:

    I think it has everything to do with intelligence, or, at least self perceived intelligence. The smarter someone thinks they are, the less likely they are to listen to others who they think are somehow less intelligent. They consider it a personal affront that someone else would tell them they're wrong about vaccines. They consider only the superiority of their own intellect when deciding that they will either accept or reject the established science. That kind of hubris is concentrated in certain professions, many of which are concentrated in Silicon Valley. Politics doesn't enter into it at all. This kind of self righteous thinking permeates the self declared intellectual elite in every party, including the independents who tend to be the most effete among them ("anyone who is dumb enough to let a party tell them how to think is inferior"). They have considered whatever they consider to be important in their own mind and have come to a conclusion that you dare not question.

  12. Re:Its politics/emotions not intelligence level .. by plover · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Being a self-perceived-intelligent pig-headed engineer myself, I think you're missing a critical component in that description. I'm right, until proven otherwise. Show me a trustworthy test, show me trustworthy data, show me trustworthy studies, show me proof from a respectable authority that I'm wrong and I will happily change my mind and apologize to you for wasting your time in having to convince me.

    One thing I've noticed about software engineers is that too many of them are lacking the critical statistics skills they need to function effectively. Perhaps it's because we tend to think in Boolean terms of true and false. Thus, "I have a 1:450,000,000 chance of winning the lottery" turns into "I have a chance of winning the lottery", which is a different wording that is remarkably easy to misinterpret as a "50:50" chance, even though both outcomes are statistically equal to false. They apply that same lack of understanding to any risk, including vaccination (a 1:3,000,000 chance of a serious adverse reaction becomes "a chance of a serious adverse reaction".)

    In the case of vaccines, I was initially a bit skeptical when it came to vaccinating my son. But it was extraordinarily easy to convince myself that they're safe and effective, and that the one study showing a purported link to autism was completely fraudulent. It took about an hour of research that anyone with a browser and half a wit could do. And because it was so easy to learn the truth, I now hold all anti-vaxxers in that extra-special contempt I reserve for the willfully ignorant. In this case I consider them parties to attempted murder. They threaten society as a whole, either because they're too stupid to do the research or too dull to change their minds.

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  13. And SV is even less surprising by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 4, Insightful

    As many people on Slashdot have probably noticed, there are more than a few geeks who are infected with Smartest Motherfucker in the Universe syndrome. Since they've gone through their lives generally being a good deal more intelligent than their peers, but with poor social skills, it can lead to an arrogance that they are smarter than basically anyone else, and that their knowledge is supreme not just in their field, but in all fields.

    Well that then is ripe for anti-scientific shit like anti-vaxxer crap. They believe they are in on a secret that normal people are just too stupid to see, that they are smarter and better than those sheep doctors and so on and so forth. It feeds their ego on their intellect to believe they know better than the medical establishment.

    So this surprises me not at all. SV has all the right elements to be a hotbed of this kind of shit.

  14. Have them talk to a polio survivor by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You want someone who will rake people over the coals about vaccination, get someone who had to see the horrible epidemic that was polio prior vaccination.

  15. Your rights versus my rights by DutchSter · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So why is it that I can't send my child to preschool with a peanut butter sandwich, but yet I am expected to respect your decision to send your unvaccinated child to be with mine?