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Trans-Pacific Partnership Enables Harsh Penalties For Filesharing
An anonymous reader writes: The Electronic Frontier Foundation went through a recent leak of the secretive Trans-Pacific Partnership agreement, an international treaty in development that (among other things) would impose new intellectual property laws on much of the developed world. The EFF highlights one section in particular, which focuses on the punishments for copyright infringement. The document doesn't set specific sentences, but it actively encourages high monetary penalties and jail terms. Its authors reason that these penalties will be a deterrent to future infringement. "The TPP's copyright provisions even require countries to enable judges to unilaterally order the seizure, destruction, or forfeiture of anything that can be 'traceable to infringing activity,' has been used in the 'creation of pirated copyright goods,' or is 'documentary evidence relevant to the alleged offense.' Under such obligations, law enforcement could become ever more empowered to seize laptops, servers, or even domain names."
So the NWO (once a tin-foil hat conspiracy theory) is coming true, only 25 years after it was predicted.
It's well past time for https everywhere, constant VPNs and full encryption for everything
So rise up, all ye lost ones, as one, we'll claw the clouds.
You don't get a vote.
I wish this was America, I hear we would be tried by a jury of our peers and I've always seeded generously http://xkcd.com/553/
Gotta keep that prison-industrial complex well-oiled somehow, right?
it still boils down to you taking something you should probably be paying for
No, it boils down to you making a copy of something that the government thinks you shouldn't be making a copy of.
You "take" only in the sense that you take a photograph, and you "should be paying" in the same way any group of thugs says "I'll hit you if you don't pay me for doing this".
Every creative work is highly derivative. The leeches are not the copyright infringers, but those who profit from copyright. "Fuck you!" they say, "I've taken advantage of everything up to the moment before this work, but from this point on, you pay me."
You were right about the sucking sound!
It's just it is China now, not Mexico.
An inescapable fact is, there are WAY more people outside the sphere of law enforcement. That means the odds are, greatly, that the brightest people are not in law enforcement.Authorities will always lose the "War On (Stuff)."
It little behooves the best of us to comment on the rest of us.
http://www.theguardian.com/med...
As content is worth less and less, they need to do something to prop up the profit structure.
Sad thing is, if the content being infringed is worth less and less, why are people getting stiffer and stiffer penalties for infringing?
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It's even worse than that. Under TPP a corporation can sue sovereign governments in secret courts if such governments are deemed to have impinged on the corporations right to sell product. Laws such as those to protect against excessive toxins released into the environment. Or if a local government decides to make cheaper generic drugs, instead of buying the corporations more expensive patented product.
Population control - execution for taking a loaf of bread ... ehrmm song ...
If we continue to cultivate a society where even the most crafted and artisan digital items are throwaway flash sale detritus, how can we expect to continue enjoying the talented minds that create them?
interesting.
when profits drop to reasonable levels for music and movies, they'll get made / created by people with a love for the art, as opposed to a love for money. sounds fine.
owww my hands use a mouse , the mouse did infringing materials OH NO
Libraries have too long been a place where people could share information, books, movies, and games. This senseless devaluation of media hurts content producers. You've done society a disservice for too long libraries. Your time is coming.
God spoke to me
So big media is finally going to off itself, or cause an uprising, one way or the other. So either everyone who was pirating and consuming more content will stop, and their sales will plummet. Or the people who can't afford media, due to unemployment/low wages are going to have even less stuff to keep them entertained. Should be fun to watch the crime increase as these people have to leave their homes for entertainment. Personally I think it'll just cause a shift away from film/tv back to gaming. Games last longer, are replayable, and cost less than films.
Population control - execution for taking a loaf of bread ... ehrmm song ...
Jaywalking gets you sent to the "organ banks" to keep the wealthy who can afford it alive.
Intellectual monopoly is a danger to real property rights. You cant own something if you aren't allowed to configure it how you want.
I love Jesus, except for his foreign policy.
As the saying goes: "There are four boxes to be used in the defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury and ammo. Please use in that order."
But treaties circumvent three of those boxes.
Guess which one is left.
"[Regarding the 'cloud,'] ownership was what made America different than Russia." -- Woz
It's worse than this. You're denied the rights to even use WHAT YOU PAID FOR in the way you wish. Witness Kindle books as one example. Want to read them in the reader of your choice, on the device of your choice? Sorry, can't do that, and DCMA outlaws decryption tools.
I mistyped. DMCA.
Reich, Robert not the Third, has a handle on this trade agreement being slipped right on by us.
Always remember that government regulations are a feature of fascism (not a bug), and when corporations are allowed to write their own ticket (lobbying), they are interfering with the market in an unnatural way. Fascism is most accurately described as the preeminence of the needs of corporations and governments above the rights of the populace.
Happiness in intelligent people is the rarest thing I know.
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Harsh penalties have virtually eliminated illegal drugs, right? it's gotten to the point where I could purchase methamphetamine on the street far easier than purchasing legal Sudafed at the drug store.
So everybody is going to sing? Instead of just listening to recordings of a few people singing?
Why does anything at all have to change for that to happen?
So they have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that you are doing copyright infringement. They may be able to lock you up pre trail but the jails are filled up and there are much more violet people to put in them pre trail.
cut off the lifeline that generic drugs provide for people living with HIV/AIDS and many other diseases.
So they can just that part to kill this.
So everybody is going to sing? Instead of just listening to recordings of a few people singing?
Why does anything at all have to change for that to happen?
Because people follow the path of least resistance. Recorded audio and video give people the impression that they're interacting with others without forcing them to actually do so. Same with Facebook. That said, if people spent more time in the shower, they'd probably have a richer musical experience, assuming *some* exposure to the music of others.
Obviously, my Kindle has a decryption tool. Otherwise I wouldn't be able to read the books on it.
So obviously only SOME decryption tools are outlawed.
That's something we can chip away at.
I personally don't care what the TPP terms are, the process is irredeemably corrupt. It is an attempt for corporations to obtain in secret negotiations what they could never obtain through actual democratic processes, and should be opposed by anyone who supports our system of government.
If they want to enact this, publish it, and submit it as a Treaty to the Senate for ratification. We have a Constitution for a reason, quit trying to do an end-run around it.
Can get less time and have less BS to deal with then you have with shoplifting.
Let's see 1-2 years for downing a movie vs a fine (Maybe some very soft time for shoplifting the blue ray from best buy) hell you can sneak into a movie and they likely will not call the police. I also most did that accidentally did that one (walled in did not see the place to buy tickets at first and I don't think any one would even tried to stop me from just not paying and going right into the show.
The elite don't necessarily have all the brains. But they do have a lot influence and power. Another inescapable fact.
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Piracy is huge, and despite all the arguments for it, it still boils down to you taking something you should probably be paying for.
But I am going to pay for it. I've made certain my check will clear 70 years after the death of the author. Who could complain about that?
In other words, with the swipe of a pen, what is now legal, becomes illegal criminal activity, with harsh penalties, and a few individuals suddenly find themselves in the money. Who do you think is drafting this legislation? You thought you were a decent law abiding citizen? You are. No, you were, yesterday. Today you are a criminal. And the crook in the neighborhood who has been trying to extort everyone for breathing fresh air? Well, he's now the richest man in town, and you better lick his boots if you want to breath.
It's worse than this. You're denied the rights to even use WHAT YOU PAID FOR in the way you wish. Witness Kindle books as one example. Want to read them in the reader of your choice, on the device of your choice? Sorry, can't do that, and DCMA outlaws decryption tools.
And I reclaim the ability to read them on any device I choose via Calibre and any other appropriate tools.
Why? Because fuck you. That is why. (addressed at the planet's owners; not you, chipschap)
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"destruction, or forfeiture of anything that can be 'traceable to infringing activity,' has been used in the 'creation of pirated copyright goods," So we can get the mpaa's members' equipment, cameras, sound stages and whatnot destroyed or forfeited because all the pirated copyright goods trace back to where the material was created and distributed?
Sounds like a recipe for government confiscation of private property.
I dont consume this type of media, and Im disappointed with those who do at such a staggering rate. Not because I'm against piracy, its because Im against my kids/nephews/nieces spending so much damn time staring at the screen like a zombie. I encourage them to stop watching and start learning... codeacademy, stackoverflow ect. There's so much better things online than what these guys have to offer.
You "take" only in the sense that you take a photograph, and you "should be paying" in the same way any group of thugs says "I'll hit you if you don't pay me for doing this".
What if your girlfriend made a 3D printed dildo replica of your penis, and every time she used it, she would say "no one loses anything if I just make a copy".
I finally bought a couple kindle books to test the waters and what a pain in the ass. Decryption is possible, but the process is a nightmare, especially on Android. Why in the hell would I do that, you might ask? Well, in Japan there is no PC version of the kindle reader, just some cloud-based garbage. This is of course after using a fake street address and a VPN just to be able to purchase the damned books. Amazon will happily ship print books overseas, but ebooks are just too special for such a simple process.
The final insult, was poor quality at a price identical to the print version. The pages with images were low-quality jpegs with serious artifacts, and illegible characters. (ie. on a map...).
-- another reader who merely wants quality books in an open format, and at a reasonable price...
Here comes US-style guilt-by-association. You plugged your mobile phone into a wall socket: The building is an accessory to the crime and can be seized.
The government made pseudoephedrine hard to get, and phenylephrine isn't significantly better than a placebo. So I switched to oxymetazoline nasal spray (Afrin, Sudafed OM, etc.), in one nostril at a time so I don't become dependent.
Recreational pot is technically illegal in all parties to the Single Convention on Narcotic Drugs. So "some places" must refer to the non-parties, namely Afghanistan, Chad, East Timor, Equatorial Guinea, Kiribati, Nauru, Samoa, South Sudan, Tuvalu, and Vanuatu. But these don't appear to be highly developed countries.
She would be correct.
Wasn't a house used to provide power to the computer to copy the file?
It was that way for thousands of years. The idea that music has to come in a file is an invention of the electronic age, born from pure convenience.
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well if it was YOUR girlfriend that may be correct OHHHHH!!!!
thank you, thank you, ill be here all night, dont forget to tip the waitress
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Personally I'm looking forward to the shit storm of global, coordinated backlash against TPP when the politicians are done jerking off.
What about stiff monetary penalties and exorbitant jail time for all those banks with their addiction to money laundering? Maybe, we the citizens of this fine world, should actually start fighting back and telling the govs "No!".
It is not the content payments they are after (piracy does not hurt those anyways). What they really want is control. They want internet back in the box. They want a good cover story to enable all these draconian laws, total survelliance, ability to make arrests without a warrant, etc. They want to control what you can watch and read, just like they do with the traditional media already. Doing it for the children of for ailing copyright owners is irrelevant.
NO !
See: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTmfwklFM-M
Wait, you are trying to read Kindle books you hacked apart on an Android, and complaining about quality?
You can complain about the lack of language support and open standards issue, but you are not entitled to complain about the quality if you cobble something together as a hack. That is akin to complaining about the quality of the porn you downloaded from Warez.
Just so you know, if you can get an English Kindle in Japan (which should be perfectly legal) images are not poor quality, and neither is text. Zooming in and out is simple.
-The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.
This is bullshit! Corporations are something that we allow. They shouldn't be writing government policy or law. And yet here we are. The TPP is a piece of crap. Canadian Prime Minister Steven Harper is all in. There are a million reasons why this guy has to go. But this reason alone means his entire political party should be gone yesterday.
Every creative work is highly derivative. The leeches are not the copyright infringers, but those who profit from copyright. "Fuck you!" they say, "I've taken advantage of everything up to the moment before this work, but from this point on, you pay me."
Only 7 notes exist (ok, and some accidentals), so there are at most 13 pieces of incredibly boring original music. Everyone else is a hack who deserves nothing, right?
Everything you do is derivative. Someone's music, someone else's book, your post, this post, most of your conscious thoughts, it's a part of life that previous experiences influence you. That doesn't make the things you create any less significant.
Profiting from copyright isn't intrinsically wrong. There is nothing reprehensible about wanting to be compensated for something you've created. Sure some talented people do it for the love of it, but some talented people do it for the money and that is just as valid. Copyright isn't bad. Profiting for your work isn't bad. The problem is the players that abuse power to extend copyright beyond all reasonable levels and have built markets that are all but impossible to break into without relinquishing copyright to them.
But without regulations, corporations can be just as oppressive and destructive - driving smaller competitors out of business with underhanded tactics or using exclusive deals to prevent entry into the market, suppressing any activity that harms their profits, manipulating academia with selective funding or threats of legal action to distort science in their favor, damaging the environment and silencing anyone who speaks out with frivolous lawsuits that cost millions to defend against.
It isn't a simple matter of 'government is evil, and should be as small as possible.' It's about recognizing that sometimes the only thing that can keep a dangerously powerful organization is check is another dangerously powerful organization. The problems really come from trying to keep one from seizing control of the other.
Anyone in the US that thinks this is "shocking" is living on a deserted island. The US have already implemented this. Look at the other post about the developer that went to jail for 1 year in the dotcom case. It's more like we Americans are trying to push this sort of "justice" out to the world.
Jury of your peers will convict and sentence you to jail if that's what the law says through mandatory sentencing, which was all created from the great war on drugs, where we needed to incarcerate casual drug users.
It's been a slow process but the American justice system is total garbage now.
So now I Put a copyrighted file on someone's computer and call the police on them, then they get thrown in jail friggen awesome!... haha seriously aint gonna happen. only way to stop piracy is to Monitor all internet traffic.
It's worse than this. You're denied the rights to even use WHAT YOU PAID FOR in the way you wish. Witness Kindle books as one example. Want to read them in the reader of your choice, on the device of your choice? Sorry, can't do that, and DCMA outlaws decryption tools.
Devil's advocate:
What you bought was a "Kindle book", which you can read on the Kindle of your choice. What right do you have to break their security and use the content on a competing reader, especially when the purchase agreement you "signed" states that you agree not to? It sounds like you're assuming that you've bought a copy of the book, but the fact that you call it a "Kindle book" acknowledges that you know when you bought it that it was for use on a Kindle without any coercion or foul play on Amazon's part. Sure the book exists in other formats, physical and unrestricted digital, but you didn't buy any of those. You bought the Kindle book.
Hell, you didn't even buy the book; what you physically own is the device/storage media you put it on and you've paid Amazon to duplicate the arrangement of bits that will eventually be interpreted as that book. It isn't like you bought a bookshelf and you want to take the wood apart and build a table instead. You don't own the pattern of bits that is the book or the method of decrypting it, and you agreed to as much when you paid to use it. Digital law is in such a shitty state largely because there isn't a good equivalent situation for physical purchases, similar to the whole "piracy isn't theft" argument. What isn't in a shitty state are the laws regarding breach of contract, which you are doing by ignoring the stipulations that you agreed to.
I would be flattered.
Individuals, not corporations. Think photographs as an example: if you copy a corporation's picture and put it on your web site - you will be hammered; if a corporation copies one of your pictures and uses it - nothing will happen; you can complain and will just be ignored.
What if your girlfriend made a 3D printed dildo replica of your penis, and every time she used it, she would say "no one loses anything if I just make a copy".
Sounds like a good plan for a long distance relationship.
Incorrect.
For thousands of years, the only way to listen to music was live performances. Recordings of any type are a recent phenomenon, as is the resulting concept of mass marketing.
The same goes for movies, which previously were only available as live performances of plays.
I, for one, do not think the concept of mass marketing a single performance to be fair or reasonable, and nor does a lot of society. That's where the fundamental disagreement comes from, not purely from the idea of a file that can be copied without adding or subtracting to the value of the original file.
I think in the long run, music recordings are going to be seen as yet another form of radio, used primarily to advertise and promote the concerts where all the real profits will be made.
Movies? Well, they're in a tougher position. They're as easy to make copies of, but it would be awfully hard to capture all the F/X in a live performance. But I really don't think most modern movies are worth paying a dime to see -- I've only been able to stomach watching two to completion in the past year out of all the stuff I downloaded. In most cases, I would have been walking out of the theatre after 20 minutes demanding my money back.
I do not fail; I succeed at finding out what does not work.
No, the images are poor quality even in the original, and zooming in the official android kindle app only shows hideous jpeg artifacts. Which is to be expected when the entire book is little more than 2MB. (smaller than a single decent jpeg at say 300dpi...) Some books are probably fine, but I have no desire to play a lottery when I purchase. With >300dpi screens standard these days, I expect better.
You reminded me of another problem; if you relocate or want to read books from two different countries, officially you are out of luck. This requires stripping the DRM or buying a separate reader.
>The leeches are not the copyright infringers, but those who profit from copyright.
Hahahaha, wow. You really are that retarded, aren't you?
There are plenty of encrypted filesharing methodologies that are difficult to trace. i2psnark is bittorrent within the i2p network. It works. But there have been others: iMule (emule within i2p), Antz, Mute, etc etc. These projects don't seem to attract much attention because everybody still just uses bittorrent over clearnet.
Why do you mean by, a lot of influence, and power? ;} You can't be serious about that.
Did I type why, I meant, what.. Or rather, why do you mean that? ;}
So if a media corporation were to steal someone else's art (like that YouTube rapper whose name escapes me), does that mean that under the TPP the board members of said media corporation would be doing hard time and paying millions in fines?
Or should I go ahead and create a craigslist ad for the Brooklyn Bridge?
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Disturbingly insightful...
And so is the CAPTCHA - packed
This site is too trippy.
Would have modded you (up, of course) if you hadn't posted AC.
Nothing in your post warranted cowardice.
Influence and power are out of context in a world where a dumpster diver is pwning those with influence and power.
What he learned, notes one friend, is that "if you try to work with the system, they fuck you over." And so, from then on, Hammond would dedicate himself to working outside it. Over the next few years, he threw himself into the day-to-day life of the radical community in Chicago, renting houses that quickly became crash pads for any homeless kid or traveler who happened through. Always the first to offer a toke or some food, he became famous for taking friends on epic dumpster-diving expeditions to hidden outposts like a local Odwalla plant, where, after plundering the refuse, he'd return with enough fresh juice to last a month. At night he'd settle in with "riot porn" – Internet clips of black-clad anarchists facing off with the police.
It little behooves the best of us to comment on the rest of us.
only in the since that you take a photograph, and you "should be paying" in the same way any group of thugs says "I'll hit you if you don't pay me for doing this".
Well the government also thinks they have a right to charge you for simply taking pictures on national park and forest service land too.
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My apologies. I should have read the great grand parent post.
The poster was not incorrect.
I do not fail; I succeed at finding out what does not work.
The corporate world did make out like bandits in the last world wars. Hello IBM.
You can't stop the signal, Mal.
Those iconic words from Serenity have always embodied the obvious reality that corporations are apparently deeply in denial over: People will find a way, and they're not going to stop. The tighter corporations and governments squeeze, the more slips through their grasp. They're wasting time and money trying to stamp out a problem that really isn't a problem, making everything cost more for everyone, which just incentivizes filesharers even more. This 'agreement' isn't going to change anything, other than hurting individuals who really aren't harming anyone or anything, ruining their lives because they wanted to hear a song or see a TV show. The organized criminals and terrorist groups who are mass-producing pirated movies and other content to fund their activities won't be any more affected by this than they're prevented from having firearms in places where it's been made illegal for people to own firearms, they'll go right on with their operations without so much as blinking. Memo to media corporations: The more draconic you make things for everyone, the more everyone is going to hate you and not want to pay for your content. It's time for you to retire your 19th Century business model and get into the 21st Century with the rest of us: Stop screwing us over for your content, stop destroying people's lives with gigantic judgements against individuals, accept the fact that some filesharing is going to happen and move on already.
Are YOU using the TOOL, or is the TOOL using YOU? Think about it!
Perhaps you mean something other than what you are implying, but at your word I call BS. Kindle does not put "bad" quality images into books, sorry. They put in the best quality image possible. Sure, some books are going to have better images than others but that is because the "best" available is not good.. not a desire from Amazon/Kindle to be cheap or unconcerned with readers. Original publishers don't have to provide high quality images to Amazon and sometimes don't.
Your complaint about books is not restricted to a Kindle problem either. It is largely a Government problem. Amazon has to abide by what the local Governments require for their books and devices. The US is not the only country at fault, just the easy target. Many countries ban certain material and use DRM for their censorship. The US happens to use DRM more for profit than censorship. DRM can be used in either direction.
-The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.
It's always nice of something, be it a corporation, to give me more reasons not to line their pockets with money.
I can see this turning out MUCH worse than people realize in the long run.
Assuming this got passed and this secret court system was established, just IMAGINE, the push by the rich elites around the world to capture that court and the feature creep they would be lobbying for.
Over the next couple decades, that very well could lead to a New World Order.
Just think of it, one court with jurisdiction over pretty much every first world country on the planet. Can you imagine the pressure the Koch brothers or the Waltons or even the bigger religious organizations would be putting on these guys and PAYING these guys to whore their selves out to them. The Media industry might be pushing for this, but once it was established, the bigger players would make sure to muscle them out quickly on any decision they wanted.
You get what you expect and you deserve what you tolerate.
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