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Inside the Mind of a Schizophrenic Through Virtual Reality

blottsie writes Viscira produces videos and technology simulations for the healthcare industry, and the project I tested called "Mindscape" was created for a pharmaceutical company that wanted to give potential clients insight into what some schizophrenic patients might feel like in a real-life scenario. Unlike audio tests or videos that show you a first-person perspective of schizophrenic experiences, Viscira's demonstration uses the Oculus Rift headset and is entirely immersive. You can look around at each individual's face, and up and down the hallway. Walk through the elevator, and hear voices that appear to be coming from both strangers and your own head.

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  1. Impossible by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 2, Informative

    No matter how hard you try, you cannot "get into the mind" of a schizophrenic. Even with the Oculus Rift.

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    1. Re:Impossible by tnk1 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      In the sense that a virtual reality that you can enter and exit any time you like is not going to be the same, I agree. Indeed, having to actually live with the experience, as opposed to temporarily subjecting yourself to it is the real issue.

      That said, anything that allows non-schizophrenic people to experience the same sort of inputs will be useful towards understanding.

    2. Re:Impossible by mwissel · · Score: 4, Interesting

      No matter how hard you try, you cannot "get into the mind" of anyone*.

      *ftfy. - I think it is what they call the qualia problem.

      However it still might be useful in a similar sense as lenses that hamper your eyesight to resemble a cataract. It gives the researcher an idea how senses of such an individual are altering his/her perception of the world.

    3. Re:Impossible by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It would be good to have an actual schizophrenic use the product and confirm if this is even remotely similar to what they really experience. Until then, its just what some think their experience is.

    4. Re:Impossible by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Informative

      True, but short of inducing schizophrenia and then being able to cure it instantly, this might be close enough.

      Indeed. Just because the simulation is imperfect, that doesn't make it worthless. Schizophrenia affects more than two million Americans. It is the most common permanently debilitating mental disorder. The cost in treatment, foregone income, etc. is over $100B annually in America. It is a leading contributor to homelessness, criminality, and other social disorders. But is also deeply misunderstood. Many people confuse it with split personality disorder, which is unrelated and rare.

      So why does the average person need to understand schizophrenia? Because they can vote. Many of our policies toward homelessness and crime, are politically popular but totally misguided. Homeless is not caused by "lack of houses", and homeless shelters don't work well with disruptive people that shout back at the voices in their head. Our prisons are filled with people being "punished" who see no connection between their actions and the consequences.

      I had a cousin which schizophrenia. He told me that the best way to understand it was to think about waking from a vivid dream. For about 10 seconds, you are confused about what was the dream and what is reality. Then your mind clears, and you realize that the dream made no sense whatsoever, and it seems crazy that your mind ever considered it to be real. Except if you have schizophrenia, your mind doesn't clear, and the crazy dreams don't go away when you wake up. My cousin committed suicide when he was 29.

    5. Re:Impossible by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 2

      I think that one point people are missing is that the wetware is different, and that usually this has been the case for an extended period of time. I don't think that using the Ocular Rift is going to be capable of helping people understand The schizophrenic programmer who built an os to talk to god. Same as there's no way to simulate PTSD or Major Depressive Disorder, OCD, Hypervigilance, or even panic attacks that are sparked by relatively innocuous events.

      If you want to get a realistic taste of what it's like, why not read through all those comments that demonstrated a total lack of understanding or empathy, and even outright hostility. Others reactions are a big part of the "experience", and you won't get that using an Oculus Rift.

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    6. Re:Impossible by tburkhol · · Score: 2

      Just because the simulation is imperfect, that doesn't make it worthless. Schizophrenia affects more than two million Americans. It is the most common permanently debilitating mental disorder.

      But putting out a 'schizophrenia simulator' that emphasizes perceptual hallucinations completely glosses over that mental disorders alter the processing of thoughts. There's no way to communicate the subjective experience of reality, and emphasizing the visual and auditory aspects risks turning a serious disorder into a fun-house ride. It suggests that you can just learn which experiences are real and filter out that which is not.

      Another example: it's quite common for people with stroke to draw clocks with all the numbers scrunched into one quadrant. They'll report that this looks just like the clock on the wall (or sometimes to know that there's something off about the drawing, without being able to say what). This is not a visual hallucination, but a disruption of the comparative processes and a disruption of spatial awareness. A VR system that distorts reality to match the drawings of stroke patients would be a terrible stroke simulator.

  2. What if... by MagickalMyst · · Score: 3, Funny

    What if there were beings or entities that existed just outside our range of perception, that we are not aware of?

    Much like a dog whistle, which humans cannot hear. What if some people were 'sensitive' to other energies - sounds, lights, etc. that were outside the normal realm of human perception?

    What if schizophrenic people weren't "hallucinating", so to speak, but were able to actually "perceive" these energies or beings?

    Ahh, what then?

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    1. Re:What if... by Jawnn · · Score: 3, Interesting

      What if schizophrenic people weren't "hallucinating", so to speak, but were able to actually "perceive" these energies or beings?

      More often than not, the "messages" are coming from God/Jesus or Satan, according to the patient. Mind you, my sample population is almost completely Judeo-Christian in orientation. It should be completely unsurprising that such perceptions are often ascribed to powerful supernatural entities from the patient's own psyche. If you want to argue that it's really Jesus calling, you're going to have to explain why He never calls the Muslim or Hindu schizophrenics.

      Mind you, I'm not trying to discount the possibility of the paranormal in general, but when it comes to the sensory experiences of those who suffer from certain disorders, this is well plowed ground. Peddle it someplace else.

    2. Re:What if... by halivar · · Score: 2

      I'm very close to a schizophrenic, and the "voices" are always int he form of either false memories or "code" in web pages or the crawling text on the news. They are not "perceiving" anything true. It is a mental disease.

    3. Re:What if... by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Come up with a way you think you could test this and publish it somewhere. What measurable thing would exist in that case but not if it were untrue?

      If schizophrenic people just had stronger or "extra" perceptions, that hypothesis could be tested:
      1. If several were in the same place, they should all perceive the same extra sensory occurrences at the same time.
      2. The extra information would likely be useful, so schizophrenic people would be more successful.
      3. There is no reason that the extra information should distort their interpretation of "normal" reality in harmful ways, just add to it.
      None of these are true.

  3. Re:Impossible - This has been done by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Timothy Leary and other researchers used LSD when it was still legal, to induce temporary psychosis in themselves and other clinicians.

    They did so to better understand the mindscape of psychotic patients. A schizophrenic is not psychotic all the time, but the brain's full tilt mode is reportedly really close to what can be achieved by consumption of LSD. Recreational consumers of LSD call this state a bad trip.

    Sadly, since LSD is one of the "bad" drugs that needs to have "war" waged against it, clinical experiments with it have all but ceased. Now, if you want to explore its potential as a pharmaceutical substance, you have to join the CIA (or other shady organization). I doubt they're working on helping schizophrenics though.

  4. Re:Impossible - This has been done by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Those psychomimetic effects aren't necessarily interpreted as a "bad trip".

    Many people with schizophrenia don't consider it a "bad trip" either. By the time they are diagnosed, many of them have already lost their friends, alienated their families, have no job, and little hope of having a meaningful life. For them, reality is shit. But inside their their own mind, they are the king of the world. So why should they go through the effort of conscientiously taking medication that converts them from a king to a lonely homeless loser? This is something that makes treating schizophrenia difficult: treatment makes things get worse, sometimes much worse, before things get better. It is explained in the book The Seduction of Madness.

  5. One show I saw displayed it in an interesting way by PPalmgren · · Score: 2

    About a decade ago, a one-shot FX series called Dirt came out. It was about the celebrity tabloid journalism industry, I thought it was pretty interesting even though I'm not into that kind of stuff. One of the more interesting parts of it was that there was a schizophrenic photographer, and they did a couple segments from his perspective during periods when he was on and off his meds. I have no idea if their portrayal is how it acutally is, but I thought it matched what we've been described to as the symptoms. When the show was through his perspective, it was hard to tell what was real and what wasn't real sometimes.