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Inside the Mind of a Schizophrenic Through Virtual Reality

blottsie writes Viscira produces videos and technology simulations for the healthcare industry, and the project I tested called "Mindscape" was created for a pharmaceutical company that wanted to give potential clients insight into what some schizophrenic patients might feel like in a real-life scenario. Unlike audio tests or videos that show you a first-person perspective of schizophrenic experiences, Viscira's demonstration uses the Oculus Rift headset and is entirely immersive. You can look around at each individual's face, and up and down the hallway. Walk through the elevator, and hear voices that appear to be coming from both strangers and your own head.

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  1. Impossible by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 2, Informative

    No matter how hard you try, you cannot "get into the mind" of a schizophrenic. Even with the Oculus Rift.

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    1. Re:Impossible by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      True, but short of inducing schizophrenia and then being able to cure it instantly, this might be close enough.

    2. Re:Impossible by tnk1 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      In the sense that a virtual reality that you can enter and exit any time you like is not going to be the same, I agree. Indeed, having to actually live with the experience, as opposed to temporarily subjecting yourself to it is the real issue.

      That said, anything that allows non-schizophrenic people to experience the same sort of inputs will be useful towards understanding.

    3. Re:Impossible by mwissel · · Score: 4, Interesting

      No matter how hard you try, you cannot "get into the mind" of anyone*.

      *ftfy. - I think it is what they call the qualia problem.

      However it still might be useful in a similar sense as lenses that hamper your eyesight to resemble a cataract. It gives the researcher an idea how senses of such an individual are altering his/her perception of the world.

    4. Re:Impossible by rubycodez · · Score: 1

      But we might be able to *give* someone schizophrenia by immersing them in this type of VR experience. How cool would that be?

    5. Re:Impossible by dj245 · · Score: 1

      No matter how hard you try, you cannot "get into the mind" of anyone*.

      *ftfy. - I think it is what they call the qualia problem.

      However it still might be useful in a similar sense as lenses that hamper your eyesight to resemble a cataract. It gives the researcher an idea how senses of such an individual are altering his/her perception of the world.

      The illusion would be more complete if they piped the 'voices in your head' through a bone anchored hearing system. Then the voices would actually be in your head. Probably not a lot of people would sign up for the implant procedure just for that though.

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    6. Re:Impossible by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It would be good to have an actual schizophrenic use the product and confirm if this is even remotely similar to what they really experience. Until then, its just what some think their experience is.

    7. Re:Impossible by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Informative

      True, but short of inducing schizophrenia and then being able to cure it instantly, this might be close enough.

      Indeed. Just because the simulation is imperfect, that doesn't make it worthless. Schizophrenia affects more than two million Americans. It is the most common permanently debilitating mental disorder. The cost in treatment, foregone income, etc. is over $100B annually in America. It is a leading contributor to homelessness, criminality, and other social disorders. But is also deeply misunderstood. Many people confuse it with split personality disorder, which is unrelated and rare.

      So why does the average person need to understand schizophrenia? Because they can vote. Many of our policies toward homelessness and crime, are politically popular but totally misguided. Homeless is not caused by "lack of houses", and homeless shelters don't work well with disruptive people that shout back at the voices in their head. Our prisons are filled with people being "punished" who see no connection between their actions and the consequences.

      I had a cousin which schizophrenia. He told me that the best way to understand it was to think about waking from a vivid dream. For about 10 seconds, you are confused about what was the dream and what is reality. Then your mind clears, and you realize that the dream made no sense whatsoever, and it seems crazy that your mind ever considered it to be real. Except if you have schizophrenia, your mind doesn't clear, and the crazy dreams don't go away when you wake up. My cousin committed suicide when he was 29.

    8. Re:Impossible by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 2

      I think that one point people are missing is that the wetware is different, and that usually this has been the case for an extended period of time. I don't think that using the Ocular Rift is going to be capable of helping people understand The schizophrenic programmer who built an os to talk to god. Same as there's no way to simulate PTSD or Major Depressive Disorder, OCD, Hypervigilance, or even panic attacks that are sparked by relatively innocuous events.

      If you want to get a realistic taste of what it's like, why not read through all those comments that demonstrated a total lack of understanding or empathy, and even outright hostility. Others reactions are a big part of the "experience", and you won't get that using an Oculus Rift.

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    9. Re:Impossible by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      No matter how hard you try, you cannot "get into the mind" of anyone*.

      *ftfy. - I think it is what they call the qualia problem.

      However it still might be useful in a similar sense as lenses that hamper your eyesight to resemble a cataract. It gives the researcher an idea how senses of such an individual are altering his/her perception of the world.

      The illusion would be more complete if they piped the 'voices in your head' through a bone anchored hearing system. Then the voices would actually be in your head. Probably not a lot of people would sign up for the implant procedure just for that though.

      I agree! While still not perfect this would at least be better.

      I took some medication for migraines about a year ago and they caused me to have a "minor" psychotic break.
      It was the scariest damn thing that has ever happened to me in my life!
      To be coding and have voices yelling at you about your code, yet the voices are in your head.
      Or have your code be part of some elaborate story, and each class you write goes towards helping the Voodoo Witch in your head put together a spell.
      You don't want to help her, but you have to get your work done, and part of you knows its not real as you come in-and-out of reality.

      I know it sounds funny, and you might even think it would be fun to experience, but when you are the one living it, and you have no control over it, and you are losing sense of what is real at times, its not funny at all!
      Its SCARY, SCARY, SHIT!

    10. Re:Impossible by tburkhol · · Score: 2

      Just because the simulation is imperfect, that doesn't make it worthless. Schizophrenia affects more than two million Americans. It is the most common permanently debilitating mental disorder.

      But putting out a 'schizophrenia simulator' that emphasizes perceptual hallucinations completely glosses over that mental disorders alter the processing of thoughts. There's no way to communicate the subjective experience of reality, and emphasizing the visual and auditory aspects risks turning a serious disorder into a fun-house ride. It suggests that you can just learn which experiences are real and filter out that which is not.

      Another example: it's quite common for people with stroke to draw clocks with all the numbers scrunched into one quadrant. They'll report that this looks just like the clock on the wall (or sometimes to know that there's something off about the drawing, without being able to say what). This is not a visual hallucination, but a disruption of the comparative processes and a disruption of spatial awareness. A VR system that distorts reality to match the drawings of stroke patients would be a terrible stroke simulator.

    11. Re:Impossible by Mathinker · · Score: 1

      After reading "Queen of Angels" by Greg Bear, I don't even see why anyone would want to attempt to do this....

    12. Re:Impossible by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      I disagree with your assumption that schizophrenia is the leading cause of homelessness, social disorders, etc.

      Go volunteer for an overnight shift at a homeless shelter. It will change your viewpoint.

      I think capitalism prevents these people from affording or obtaining homes

      Sure. Right. Whatever. That must be why only capitalist countries have homelessness.

      Anyone targeted by the government, CIA, etc, normally ends up persecuted ...

      You need help.

    13. Re:Impossible by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      most schizophrenics got that way from doing meth.

      Then how come schizophrenia existed long before meth?

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    14. Re:Impossible by lucien86 · · Score: 1

      Sadly I don't think this will get us anywhere near to the reality of schizophrenia. The problem is that schizophrenia is inside a persons mind not outside it. Also it is not essentially a hallucination or delusion although those are very common side effects. Schizophrenia is a malfunction in the core of consciousness that seeds a separate 'voice' that then feeds the person information and lies and then isolates them from external society and people.
      At its core schizophrenia is an illness of sleep - its primary cause is in the sleep cycle. - Most schizophrenics only sleep for at most two or three hours a day - and most of their other symptoms come from that. About a week to ten days with no sleep at all is enough to induce schizophrenia in almost anyone.

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    15. Re:Impossible by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      So schizophrenia existed long before meth. So what's your point? People throughout the ages have shown signs of what we today call schizophrenia. From Jesus to Joan of Arc ...

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    16. Re:Impossible by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1
      Just because we didn't call it schizophrenia centuries ago doesn't mean it didn't exist then, with other names. There is no evidence schizophrenia is caused by drug abuse. You have to already be at risk (genetic or developmental predisposition). The main triggers are not drugs.

      Triggers are things that can cause schizophrenia to develop in people who are at risk. These include:

      Stress

      The main psychological triggers of schizophrenia are stressful life events, such as a bereavement, losing your job or home, a divorce or the end of a relationship, or physical, sexual, emotional or racial abuse. These kinds of experiences, though stressful, do not cause schizophrenia, but can trigger its development in someone already vulnerable to it.

      Drug abuse

      Drugs do not directly cause schizophrenia, but studies have shown drug misuse increases the risk of developing schizophrenia or a similar illness.

      Certain drugs, particularly cannabis, cocaine, LSD or amphetamines, may trigger symptoms of schizophrenia in people who are susceptible. Using amphetamines or cocaine can lead to psychosis and can cause a relapse in people recovering from an earlier episode.

      Three major studies have shown teenagers under 15 who use cannabis regularly, especially ‘skunk’ and other more potent forms of the drug, are up to four times more likely to develop schizophrenia by the age of 26.

      Bereavement, losing your job or home, a divorce or the end of a relationship, or physical, sexual, emotional or racial abuse have all been around long before meth, and so has schizophrenia.

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  2. Re:Happy Monday from The Golden Girls! by MetalliQaZ · · Score: 1

    Successful troll is successful.

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  3. Re:Happy Monday from The Golden Girls! by duke_cheetah2003 · · Score: 1

    I find myself wishing that you are soon diagnosed with some horrible disease for which there is no cure.

    Birth.

    Done.

  4. I know the voices aren't real by ArcadeMan · · Score: 1
  5. What if... by MagickalMyst · · Score: 3, Funny

    What if there were beings or entities that existed just outside our range of perception, that we are not aware of?

    Much like a dog whistle, which humans cannot hear. What if some people were 'sensitive' to other energies - sounds, lights, etc. that were outside the normal realm of human perception?

    What if schizophrenic people weren't "hallucinating", so to speak, but were able to actually "perceive" these energies or beings?

    Ahh, what then?

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    1. Re:What if... by rubycodez · · Score: 1

      That sounds like... SCHIZO TALK! *Blam!* *Blam!*

    2. Re:What if... by MagickalMyst · · Score: 1

      The sparrows are flying again.

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    3. Re:What if... by Jawnn · · Score: 3, Interesting

      What if schizophrenic people weren't "hallucinating", so to speak, but were able to actually "perceive" these energies or beings?

      More often than not, the "messages" are coming from God/Jesus or Satan, according to the patient. Mind you, my sample population is almost completely Judeo-Christian in orientation. It should be completely unsurprising that such perceptions are often ascribed to powerful supernatural entities from the patient's own psyche. If you want to argue that it's really Jesus calling, you're going to have to explain why He never calls the Muslim or Hindu schizophrenics.

      Mind you, I'm not trying to discount the possibility of the paranormal in general, but when it comes to the sensory experiences of those who suffer from certain disorders, this is well plowed ground. Peddle it someplace else.

    4. Re:What if... by MagickalMyst · · Score: 1

      I was not "peddling" anything. I just said 'what if'.

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    5. Re:What if... by halivar · · Score: 2

      I'm very close to a schizophrenic, and the "voices" are always int he form of either false memories or "code" in web pages or the crawling text on the news. They are not "perceiving" anything true. It is a mental disease.

    6. Re:What if... by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      So how can someone without the condition measure it? The dog whistle, we know it is high frequency, so we can measure, and generate frequencies higher than normal perception. But we cannot seem to measure such an instance, nor we are unable to broadcast such message into a persons head (say someone who is already schizophrenic, and be able to send him other messages).

      Right now this idea is outside of what we can observe, the easier path is to state that it is an anomaly in the brain. In science the easiest solution that fits the model, is the one taken to be the one to use.

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    7. Re:What if... by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Come up with a way you think you could test this and publish it somewhere. What measurable thing would exist in that case but not if it were untrue?

      If schizophrenic people just had stronger or "extra" perceptions, that hypothesis could be tested:
      1. If several were in the same place, they should all perceive the same extra sensory occurrences at the same time.
      2. The extra information would likely be useful, so schizophrenic people would be more successful.
      3. There is no reason that the extra information should distort their interpretation of "normal" reality in harmful ways, just add to it.
      None of these are true.

    8. Re:What if... by Kargan · · Score: 1

      What's really interesting to me is that the messages change in tone and intent depending on where the person lives.

      In foreign (non-U.S.) cultures, the voices are often friendly, playful and may be perceived as coming from a relative:

      http://news.stanford.edu/news/...

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    9. Re:What if... by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      If you put 100 non-schizophrenics in a room they won't all agree on what they perceive.

      They will not agree on every detail, but most of them will mostly agree on what they see and hear. For schizophrenics, there is no evidence that their "extra" perceptions are correlated in any way. Hence, there is no reason to believe they are caused by events outside their own minds.

    10. Re:What if... by Yo+Grark · · Score: 1

      You are making the assumption they are all tuned into the same frequencies.

      Imagine you get 100 people into a room and their teeth pick up radio signals, some AM, some FM. What one person hears will be different from the next one.

      Yes it's a mental disease, but like any other, there are reasons pro's/con's why it happens and how.

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  6. Theres already a version for linux! by nimbius · · Score: 1, Informative

    Anyone with a recent version of linux can experiece the mind of a schizophrenic with Systemd. Unlike audio tests or videos that show you a first-person perspective of schizophrenic experiences, Systemd allows you to experience the neurosis first hand!

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    1. Re: Theres already a version for linux! by Zeromous · · Score: 1

      I thought that was Pulseaudio that gave me the streaming voices that tell me to see systemd trolls everywhere.

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  7. Re:Happy Monday from The Golden Girls! by g0bshiTe · · Score: 1

    Already happened, it's called Slashdot beta.

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  8. Re:Impossible - This has been done by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Timothy Leary and other researchers used LSD when it was still legal, to induce temporary psychosis in themselves and other clinicians.

    They did so to better understand the mindscape of psychotic patients. A schizophrenic is not psychotic all the time, but the brain's full tilt mode is reportedly really close to what can be achieved by consumption of LSD. Recreational consumers of LSD call this state a bad trip.

    Sadly, since LSD is one of the "bad" drugs that needs to have "war" waged against it, clinical experiments with it have all but ceased. Now, if you want to explore its potential as a pharmaceutical substance, you have to join the CIA (or other shady organization). I doubt they're working on helping schizophrenics though.

  9. No matter where you go... by zawarski · · Score: 1

    ...there you are.

  10. Re:Surely it's 'evil spirits' 'possessing' them? by turkeydance · · Score: 1

    just like Tourettes. no "beautiful"or "marvelous" tics.

  11. Re:Impossible - This has been done by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Those psychomimetic effects aren't necessarily interpreted as a "bad trip".

    Many people with schizophrenia don't consider it a "bad trip" either. By the time they are diagnosed, many of them have already lost their friends, alienated their families, have no job, and little hope of having a meaningful life. For them, reality is shit. But inside their their own mind, they are the king of the world. So why should they go through the effort of conscientiously taking medication that converts them from a king to a lonely homeless loser? This is something that makes treating schizophrenia difficult: treatment makes things get worse, sometimes much worse, before things get better. It is explained in the book The Seduction of Madness.

  12. Predictive value by Okian+Warrior · · Score: 1

    Right now this idea is outside of what we can observe, the easier path is to state that it is an anomaly in the brain. In science the easiest solution that fits the model, is the one taken to be the one to use.

    You can ask whether the information has predictive value.

    The brain is an elaborate goal-setting mechanism coupled to a prediction engine. If the schizophrenic can use his extra information in some way that allows them to predict future actions or consequences, then we can say that the extra information is likely to be real.

    We do this all the time; for example, predicting that we will get run over if we step off the curb, based on information from our visible inputs about cars in the street.

    It's very easy to "get inside someone else's mind". If we step off the curb and someone says "watch out", we're effectively making use of their neural inputs as an adjunct to our own. Simply painting a picture in someone's mind through stories or college lectures is a form of mind sharing.

    Set up an experiment using schizophrenics as "sensor" - telling us what the voices are saying and/or what the people are doing - and see if that information has any predictive value. For example, ESP tests with information (card reading) hidden from the test subject.

    If the information is completely disjoint from our own universe and has no predictive value, it's indistinguishable from made-up fantasies.

  13. One show I saw displayed it in an interesting way by PPalmgren · · Score: 2

    About a decade ago, a one-shot FX series called Dirt came out. It was about the celebrity tabloid journalism industry, I thought it was pretty interesting even though I'm not into that kind of stuff. One of the more interesting parts of it was that there was a schizophrenic photographer, and they did a couple segments from his perspective during periods when he was on and off his meds. I have no idea if their portrayal is how it acutally is, but I thought it matched what we've been described to as the symptoms. When the show was through his perspective, it was hard to tell what was real and what wasn't real sometimes.

  14. Re:Surely it's 'evil spirits' 'possessing' them? by moeinvt · · Score: 1

    Would you also argue that there is no such thing as epilepsy in people who have no discernible physical abnormalities in their brains?
    What would your "simple critical thinking skills" tell you if you observed someone having an epileptic seizure?

  15. Re:Happy Monday from The Golden Girls! by Mathinker · · Score: 1

    Your post is soooo meta. Even if the AC reply was really the troll himself (possibly quite likely, it's been a long, long time since I saw someone here fall for it), your post would have made itself be true.

  16. Re:First post! Yes! by Mathinker · · Score: 1

    "Overrated"? This is genius!

  17. Re:Surely it's 'evil spirits' 'possessing' them? by sjames · · Score: 1

    Or perhaps that happens to a lot of people but since it isn't distressing, they just assume that's how it is for everyone or they count themselves lucky.

  18. Inside the Mind of a Schizophrenic by lippydude · · Score: 1

    Sounds like someone is having a waking dream. Has anyone ever considered these schizophrenic 'voices' are actually suppressed physiological impulses bubbling back to the surface as phantom voices. The subject and content of the 'voices' being a distraction from what ever really ails them. The reported flattening being fatigue caused by trying to not think about something.

  19. Re:Impossible - This has been done by lucien86 · · Score: 1

    True except the only part you got wrong is that the drugs don't work. The drugs in a lot of cases actually make you worse, they crush your talents and your skill and leave you emotionally dead and broken. They can literally make the illness worse and cause damaging effects that are pretty much permanent. Psychiatrists don't really understand schizophrenia and they don't really understand the brain. They still think you can fix a neural network with chemicals alone... (or - ECT like trying to start a car, at least a little better than an ice pick to the frontal lobes.) Unfortunately there is no proper 'medical science' for curing mental illness yet...
    Its leaches and mercury poultices and blood letting, if you had cancer would you want leaches and mercury poultices or would you want chemotherapy?

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