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Another Star Passed Through Our Oort Cloud 70,000 Years Ago

New submitter mrthoughtful writes: According to researchers at the University of Rochester, a recently discovered dim star (Scholz's star) passed through our Oort cloud 70,000 years ago. At its closest, it was about 52,000 AU distant from Sol, or about 0.8 light-years. This is still quite a distance — Voyager 1 is about 125 AU away right now — but it's far closer than Proxima Centauri's current 266,000 AU. Still, maybe the best way to engage in interstellar travel is just to wait until the time is right.

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  1. That is close! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    In galactic distance, this was close and not very long ago.

    I wonder how many comets it kicked out of the cloud and have cause some ruckus here on Terra.

    1. Re: That is close! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      That's right about the time that the human race barely avoided extinction. Perhaps not a coincidence?

      Coincidence. The paper suggests that even if it did perturb the Oort Cloud (which it probably didn't, at least, not the inner Oort Cloud), any rain of infalling comets that it kicked off will take about 2M years to get here.

      Which made me think of this bit from the end of the Hitchhiker's Guide:

      "Well I have got news, I have got news for you. It doesn't matter a pair foetid dingo's kidneys what you all choose to do from now on. Burn down the forests, anything. It won't make a scrap of difference. Two-million years you've got, and that's it. At the end of that, your race will be dead, gone, and good-riddance to you. Remember that. Two. Million. Years."

      With a sensible species, that might serve as motivation for us to get off this rock, or at least get far enough off the rock to establish a proper planetary defense system, but I guess itâ(TM)s time for another bath. Hmph. Pass me the sponge somebody will you?

    2. Re:That is close! by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I wonder how many comets it kicked out of the cloud and have cause some ruckus here on Terra.

      There was a human population collapse right around that time. The population may have fallen to less than 10,000, and we nearly went extinct. This has been blamed on the eruption of Toba, an Indonesian volcano, but that may not have been the only cause.

    3. Re:That is close! by NettiWelho · · Score: 2, Informative

      If its related, then given the speed of the object we dodged a bullet in more ways than one..

      Since it was here 70 000 years ago and now is 20 light years away that means the star is traveling at 186 454 kilometers per second.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S...

      Ordinary stars in the galaxy have velocities on the order of 100 km/s, while hypervelocity stars (especially those near the center of the galaxy, which is where most are thought to be produced), have velocities on the order of 1000 km/s.

      It is believed that about 1000 HVSs exist in our galaxy. Considering that there are around 100 billion stars in the Milky Way, this is a minuscule fraction (~0.000001%).

    4. Re: That is close! by mrbester · · Score: 2

      Only if I can have another ginnantonix. I'll get you one as well.

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    5. Re:That is close! by mcl630 · · Score: 4, Informative

      According to Wikipedia, it would take 2 million years for any comets perturbed by this encounter to get to the inner solar system.

      Scholz's Star

    6. Re:That is close! by Boronx · · Score: 2

      What a load of horseshit. That would mean the maximum velocity imparted towards the sun would be 250 miles per hour.

  2. The timing of technology. by geekmux · · Score: 2

    "Still, maybe the best way to engage in interstellar travel is just to wait until the time is right."

    Er, we should wait?

    Yeah, maybe you're right. I mean I've been wondering if now is a good time to pull the old warp drive out of my garage, with all the pressure on us to use electric cars and all...maybe I'll just hold off for a few more years and use my teleporter instead.

    Just wish it didn't give me such bad gas. Bad timing I guess.

    1. Re:The timing of technology. by MooseTick · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "we are on track to exhaust our resources and die off on a withered old planet in the next 1,000 years or less"

      The sun gives us an insane amount of nonstop energy. Do you not believe we will figure out how to effectively harness that in 1000 years time?

  3. I'm not saying it was Aliens by BobSwi · · Score: 2

    But it was Aliens form Nibiru.

  4. could this be related to the genetic-bottleneck? by suteny0r · · Score: 3, Interesting
  5. Wait till the time is right? by Chas · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Sure. If we want to wait tens, hundreds, thousands or millions of centuries before something comes close enough. And then we have to hope that it's something useful and habitable.

    And, in the mean time, we could conveniently die out.

    How about "no".

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  6. I think you may have a math error (or I could have by MaizeMan · · Score: 4, Informative

    Here are my numbers:

    20 light years = 2* 10^14 kilometers
    70,000 years = 2.1 * 10^12 seconds

    Therefore two stars are moving apart from year other at ~100 km/second which is right in the range of what would have been expected.

  7. H.G. Wells called it (The Star) by marko123 · · Score: 2

    Although his might have come a little closer. As an aside, you won't see gender-sensitive writing like this anymore, except as comedy:

    And voice after voice repeated, "It is nearer," and the clicking telegraph took that up, and it trembled along telephone wires, and in a thousand cities grimy compositors fingered the type. "It is nearer." Men writing in offices, struck with a strange realisation, flung down their pens, men talking in a thousand places suddenly came upon a grotesque possibility in those words, "It is nearer." It hurried along wakening streets, it was shouted down the frost-stilled ways of quiet villages; men who had read these things from the throbbing tape stood in yellow-lit doorways shouting the news to the passersby. "It is nearer." Pretty women, flushed and glittering, heard the news told jestingly between the dances, and feigned an intelligent interest they did not feel. "Nearer! Indeed. How curious! How very, very clever people must be to find out things like that!"

    http://www.gutenberg.org/ebook...

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  8. Re:I think you may have a math error (or I could h by NettiWelho · · Score: 3, Funny

    I guess I should have noticed something was off when my result suggested it was moving at over 60% the speed of light...

    Good thing I am not allowed to pilot a starship.

  9. You think YOU are fast? by Cajun+Hell · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Wikipedia says that star is 17-23 light years away. If it passed nearby only 70000 years ago, then that means it must be moving at nearly at about 1/3000 to 1/4000 the speed of light. So, like, about ten times faster than the Space Shuttle or five times faster than V'ger.

    Forget ion drives; let's build star-hooks.

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  10. sure, let's do that by slashmydots · · Score: 2

    "Still, maybe the best way to engage in interstellar travel is just to wait until the time is right."
    Yes, let's hop on board a star. That's safe and makes sense. Even orbiting it, to catch up to the star, you have to be going the same speed as it and in the same direction, in which case you might as well just keep going in whatever craft you're in and ignore the star. Hurray for physics and math.

  11. Star? I guess... by blogagog · · Score: 2

    In fairness, it was a D-list star. Not a great one. More like a glorified extra. Similar to that red headed woman on CNN on New Years Eve.