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Obama Says He's 'A Strong Believer In Strong Encryption'

An anonymous reader writes: U.S. President Barack Obama spoke with Re/code recently on a variety of topics relating to technology. The talk included the president's thoughts on encryption, which has been a controversial subject in tech circles lately after government officials (including Obama himself) have publicly complained about default encryption in modern communication tools. In the interview, he says he's a "strong believer in strong encryption," adding, "I lean probably further on side of strong encryption than some in law enforcement." Obama puts it another way, more bluntly: "There's no scenario in which we don't want really strong encryption." However, the president says the public itself is driving concern for leaving law enforcement a way in: "The first time that an attack takes place in which it turns out that we had a lead and we couldn't follow up on it, the public's going to demand answers."

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  1. Huh? by bagboy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "The first time that an attack takes place in which it turns out that we had a lead and we couldn't follow up on it, the public's going to demand answers." - Welcome to leadership Obama. Where sometimes you have to make unpopular/hard choices and live with the consequences.

    1. Re:Huh? by The+Grim+Reefer · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Obama Says He's 'A Strong Believer In Strong Encryption'...

      As long as he has a way to defeat it

    2. Re:Huh? by msauve · · Score: 5, Funny

      Being President is a hard job - you're constantly faced with choosing who to pander to next.

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    3. Re:Huh? by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 5, Insightful

      he's had enough chances to prove that he's a champion of The People.

      he failed. every.single.time.

      I refuse to trust him anymore. his lips are moving, so he's lying.

      not saying I trust republicans, either. I trust them even less. but my faith in democrats is at zero and so I'd prefer we scrub the whole R and D party system, redesign the WHOLE thing and start all over again.

      until then, you can present all the talking heads you want. no one with any sense believes a word they say, anymore.

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    4. Re:Huh? by unrtst · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Obama said,"The first time that an attack takes place in which it turns out that we had a lead and we couldn't follow up on it, the public's going to demand answers."

      That's utter BS.
      * If it's some local law enforcement types, they've already been unable to do this in a timely manor for ages. The public doesn't demand answers because the answer is clear - the data was thoroughly encrypted.
      * On the other end of the spectrum, if it's something we're not allowed to know about (NSA level terrorist stuff), then the public won't know about it to ask any of those questions.

      Some edge cases in between those:
      * it's still high level, but the public does know the NSA knows... then they can clearly get a warrant and trace the source. They also have the most massive amounts of cpu power and maths to throw at the problem, so if anyone will get to the root, they will (assuming it's something they have full authority to rampage after full force).
      * If it's still local law level, but pretty important, they can also escalate and get warrants and get the FBI/etc involved as needed.

      In either case, a backdoor doesn't solve the problem if said person is using something that doesn't have a backdoor (or has one unknown to the agency working the case). Backdoors have been identified (and originated in the NSA) before, and none of those helped all the normal cases (state/local). We have no idea if that helped any other cases that were top secret (and/or questionably legal), or to what extent... but that doesn't matter with regards to Obama's statement because we, the public, won't be demanding answers if we don't know about it.

      Besides, if he's only worried about saving face, that's an awful reason for anything.

    5. Re:Huh? by fustakrakich · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It only matters that people believe there is no other choice. It works. Simple as that. What can I say? This has always been a psychological game.

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      “He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
    6. Re:Huh? by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Being President is a hard job - you're constantly faced with choosing who to pander to next.

      "Choosing who to pander to next" doesn't make your hair go grey in six years.

      The man is younger than I am, and looks like he's aged 20 years since he got in office.

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      "I do not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"
    7. Re:Huh? by Sperbels · · Score: 3, Insightful

      not saying I trust republicans, either. I trust them even less. but my faith in democrats is at zero and so I'd prefer we scrub the whole R and D party system

      You're lack of faith is disturbing. Now all we need is another Sandy Hook to get the Democrats attacking the 2nd amendment and Republicans attacking abortion and that'll scare you and everyone else back into a two party frenzy.

    8. Re:Huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      he's had enough chances to prove that he's a champion of The People.

      Franklin Pierce and James Buchanan are widely regarded as two of the worst presidents in the history of the United States. The held office prior to the US civil war and were all about civility and compromise and the rule of law. They weren't personally in favor of slavery but they were also unwilling to take a principled stand against it. Then Abraham Lincoln came along and suspended habeus corpus, presided over a civil war that resulted in the deaths of over half a million Americans, and ultimately got assassinated. But he also took a stand, and prevailed, against the evil of slavery in the USA. He is remembered as one of the greatest presidents in the history of the USA.

      When Obama was elected I hoped that he would see his presidency as an opportunity to take a stand against at least some of the great injustice that still exists in this world - that it wasn't just a chance for him to enjoy his personal prestige as the first black president. Obama is fond of a quote from Martin Luther King Jr: “The arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends towards justice.” But Obama somehow ignores the fact that this justice has been the result of good people being willing to take heroic stands against injustice. Instead, Obama is all about embracing middle ground fallacies and basking in a false respectability of being "reasonable" and "civil" - which amounts to rationalizing and preserving all the terrible injustice that still exists in this world.

      When Obama was elected he could have chosen the path of Abraham Lincoln but instead he has chosen the path of Pierce and Buchanan. I certainly don't expect everyone on the planet to don the mantel of greatness and make their lives about something bigger than themselves. But it's disappointing when someone who has gone to the great effort of being afforded the honor being elected president of the United States turns out to be so unwilling to be champion of the fundamental principles on which the USA was founded.

    9. Re:Huh? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It's cowardice, but it's unjustified. David Cameron in the UK said pretty much the same thing, that he doesn't want to be blamed if there is an attack and people say he could have done more to stop it. But look at recently history, i.e. 9/11 and 7/7. Both times the intel was there to prevent it, both times those responsible failed to do so. Didn't really hurt Bush, even when it was apparent he was more interested in golf than security. Didn't hurt Blair, even when the police then murdered in an innocent man a few days later under pressure to do better.

      The man in charge never gets the blame, the terrorists do. People understand that on those very rare occasions when someone wants to blow themselves up and actually has the means and capability to do it there isn't much anyone can do to prevent it. Even other politicians shy away from blaming the head of government.

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    10. Re:Huh? by Immerman · · Score: 3, Informative

      Honestly, I care not one whit about the persona failings of a politician, We're hiring them to do a job, not be a saint. Their failings are irrelevant except as they impact their ability to do the job. Clinton's womanizing for example was completely irrelevant, except that the Republicans decided to make a media circus out of it for their own gain. Shame on us for allowing that.

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  2. He said lots of things by fustakrakich · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What he has done is something completely different..

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    “He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
  3. Transparency by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I remember when he was a strong believer in transparency too.

    1. Re:Transparency by phantomfive · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I remember when he was a strong believer in transparency too.

      Of all the promises that he failed to keep, this is the one I regret most. The other promises would make a difference in the short term, but an improvement in transparency would have made a huge improvement in the long term.

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      "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
    2. Re:Transparency by phantomfive · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yeah, who cares about the murders he is directly responsible for

      No one said to ignore that.

      Let's regret missing transparency.

      Yes, because in the long run transparency would prevent a lot more murders.

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      "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
  4. Here's the problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    People are stupid. Like, really fucking dumb.

    Couple that with a 24 hour news cycle nonstop coverage, first time some attack (even 9/11 was utterly minor in terms of life vs, say, annual car accidents) happens, you have these dumb sheep throw the Constitution out the window and yell 'Murica while going full tilt behind a nearly decade long attack on a country that had nothing to do with it.

    If you think there is fixing this country, you are severely overestimating the ability of an educational system, any educational system to pound out the stupid. If it could have done so, we wouldn't be still debating evolution and vaccines.

    1. Re:Here's the problem by amiga3D · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Funny things is, it's not encryption that's foiling the government. It's stupidity. They had all the info they needed on the 9/11 hijackers but they ignored it. It was all in the open, nothing hidden at all. They just were too stupid to see it and too lazy to do their fucking jobs. No one got fired. Nobody! We just got the fucking Patriot act. Why? The same stupid fuckers are running things so what is that going to help. They can put a camera in every house in the US of A and they'll still fail because you can't fix stupid. The problem isn't with encryption it's with incompetent people running things. They fuck up over and over and over and over and never get fired. They just go whine about encryption and privacy like that's going to solve the problem of stupid fuckers that can't pour piss out of a boot with instructions printed on the bottom. Yeah, lets just abolish privacy, then when shit blows up what is the answer then? The Damn Russians practically handed them the Boston Marathon bomber dipshits and they couldn't handle that either. Stupid. The only thing saving us is the ISIS/Al Qaeda numbnuts are crazy and stupid too. Vicious but not all that bright or we'd be in real trouble.

  5. Obama is a strong believer in strong encryption... by cyba · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ... of HIS data.

  6. I'm a strong believer in good deadbolts by JoeyRox · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Yet I want you to give me a copy of the key and trust that it wont fall into the wrong hands or be used illegally against me. See how stupid that sounds Obama?

  7. Yeah? by Snotnose · · Score: 3, Interesting

    So order the NSA to quit figuring out how to attack us and have them figure out how to protect us.

  8. The Chomsky interpretation of mind control by Swordfish · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I hope this doesn't sound too much like the tin-foil hat view of the world, but this whole business of the government's "need" to monitor everyone's phone calls, e-mails, web browsing, smartphone GPS coordinates, travel etc., makes me think of a very significant thing that Noam Chomsky once said, namely that in a free society, where people can do what they like, the government (or the ruling class) has a strong motivation to develop state-of-the-art tools to influence the way people think, whereas in a society where physical actions were controlled by the State, like in the old Soviet Union, the ruling class there didn't develop mind-twisting distortions of reality because with physical control, mind control is unnecessary. And Chomsky identified this as the cause of the total distortion of political language and thinking in the USA in particular, and in physically free countries in general.

    Now I'm starting to think that the whole NSA spying thing, and government spying in general, is a direct result of the lack of physical control of the populace. In principal, people in the free countries can think what they want, but only if the government knows what people are thinking at all times. I guess monitoring everyone's thoughts like as if we were all prisoners on parole is a direct consequence of physical freedom. If people are granted the freedom to _do_ what they like, they must give up the right to _think_ what they like, or at least they give up the right to share their thoughts privately with others.

  9. so by zlives · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "leaving law enforcement a way in"
    like a warrant?

  10. If you like your encryption by Vinegar+Joe · · Score: 5, Funny

    You can keep it.

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    "The average reporter we talk to is 27 years old......They literally know nothing." - Ben Rhodes
  11. Damned if he does...Damned if he doesn't by Ronin+Developer · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It sounds like he's caught between a rock and hard place. He might, personally, believe in strong encryption and privacy. But, the series of events since 9/11 have made a stance which prevents the collection of information to prevent another attack a difficult one to sell to the public.

    Strong encryption can protect secrets and privacy. The secrets and privacy of the common man is worth protecting. The same technology can also enable our enemies to operate in stealth. Should we have another 9/11 experience and the suspected perpetrator used strong encryption to protect their plans, the public will scream that not enough was done to prevent the attack. How should the president respond?

    I am an advocate of strong encryption having started a business in the 90's to provide secure email and file transfer. I also remember the advent of the Clipper chip and the reasons behind it subsequent defeat. We liked to believe our privacy was not being infringed and then Snowden revealed how our intelligence community was violating our rights. At the same time, we haven't had another terrorist attack on our soil lending credence to their methods (valid or not). Snowden, however, also released information on other data and intelligence collection methods. That disclosure allowed our enemies to operate with more impunity through the use of strong encryption and by adjusting their methods to avoid detection.

    Sadly, that protection strong encryption provided in order to protect our privacy and rights now becomes a marker of potential threats with other intel methods compromised. Weakened encryption or strong encryption with a backdoor would, theoretically, permit the gov't to pierce the veil when other intel might have put the focus on an innocent citizen and users of strong encryption would be marked as threats.

    We, as a nation, have allowed the events of 9/11 to shatter our society and live in a world where our believe of privacy through ignorance was shattered by Snowden's revelations.

    The revelations that Snowden provided on the intelligence collection programs aimed at our own citizens, supposedly for our protection, were necessary. However, the disclosures of other techniques and operations on the international front has given our enemy insight and tactics to be able to circumvent critical intelligence collection methods. In that regard, he has done tremendous harm. And, with the shutdown of those programs, the fight is now over when and how strong encryption will be permitted.