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Carnegie-Mellon Sends Hundreds of Acceptance Letters By Mistake

An anonymous reader writes As reported in the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, Carnegie-Mellon University mistakenly sent 800 acceptances for its Master of Science in Computer Science program. They're not saying "computer error," but what are the other explanations? High irony all around. The program accepts fewer than nine percent of more than 1,200 applicants, which places the acceptance level at about a hundred, so they're bad at math, too.

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  1. You.. You.. MELON FARMER! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    censored version of die hard on TV

    1. Re:You.. You.. MELON FARMER! by jones_supa · · Score: 1

      Melon Carnage

    2. Re:You.. You.. MELON FARMER! by nitehawk214 · · Score: 1
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    3. Re:You.. You.. MELON FARMER! by The+Grim+Reefer · · Score: 1

      Melon Carnage

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  2. What should they do? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Interesting

    A simple apology doesn't seem like it'd be enough. Is the school rich enough to offer a scholarship for the inconvenience? Like $500 scholarship to be used at any school. I imagine the disappointment would be great, hence the $500 figure I am suggesting.

    1. Re: What should they do? by Kvathe · · Score: 5, Funny

      Imagine their disappointment when they only get an apology and no scholarship! The emotional damages must cost millions.

    2. Re:What should they do? by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      They were informed of the acceptance by email, and the error by email a few hours later. The university could do something positive for those rejected by helping them get into a similar program at another university.

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    3. Re: What should they do? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Depends on how good lawyers they have

    4. Re:What should they do? by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 4, Funny

      It already did something positive: It saved them from a useless degree.

    5. Re:What should they do? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's a great time to answer the second email by saying "Sorry, no backsies, see you in August".

      http://spiritplumber.deviantart.com/art/Rejection-486520210

    6. Re:What should they do? by Richard_at_work · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Why the hell should they offer anything? It was a mistake, tough luck. Why does the topic of compensation come up for every simple mistake these days?

      So what if you were disappointed - welcome to the real world, sometimes your hopes are dashed after being raised.

    7. Re:What should they do? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and 80K a year

    8. Re:What should they do? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... in tuition

    9. Re:What should they do? by tnk1 · · Score: 1

      If you want to make 80K a year in CS or IT in general, you don't have to graduate from C-M to do it.

      If you want to work at Google or someplace like that, it may be somewhat more helpful.

    10. Re:What should they do? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why the hell should they offer anything? It was a mistake, tough luck. Why does the topic of compensation come up for every simple mistake these days?

      So what if you were disappointed - welcome to the real world, sometimes your hopes are dashed after being raised.

      Because mistakes has costs and consequences.
      In many cases it probably wasn't a big deal. In some cases students may have made life changing decision based on previous information.
      Perhaps you had a temporary crappy job as a backup in case you didn't get accepted. As soon as you were informed of being accepted you told the boss to go fsck himself and left.
      Perhaps you made arrangements to crash at someone you knows place while you were looking for an apartment in you new location. After that you thought it was safe to sell your old apartment.
      In those cases the acceptance letter is not just a minor inconvenience.
      It's not unexpected that there are a few cases where the people that were tricked has costs that has to be covered in some way.

    11. Re:What should they do? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...and many hours teaching undergrads and grading tests

    12. Re:What should they do? by tnk1 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Depends on the actual harm. I doubt your story of how you told the 7-11 to go fuck themselves once you got into C-M is going to get much sympathy in court. That just sounds like you burned bridges unnecessarily. Besides, there are tons of shit jobs out there, as long as you don't want to make a career out of them.

      As the article said, however, if you were accepted elsewhere prestigious and declined their offer, and now you had no place to go in the fall, that's something that represents real harm. In that case, you have to accept either waiting a semester or a whole year to reapply to the other school, or you have to accept going to a less prestigious school, which would have longer term effects.

      You could then additionally argue (without mentioning any burned bridges) that a year of waiting to try again (and possibly failing the second time around) would represent a hardship financially as well, but that is less persuasive because going to grad school costs money, it doesn't make you money. You could get TA jobs and grad living arrangements, of course, but it's not like being a grad student is actually more lucrative in the short term than being a pizza delivery person who lives with their parents for another year.

    13. Re:What should they do? by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      Nope. Google does not care about the useless "where you went to school" nonsense.
      They want to know you have skills and abilities. Show up with a brilliant invention under your arm and they will gladly take an ITT Tech graduate.

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    14. Re:What should they do? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The issue is that people make life altering decisions based on college acceptance letters. CM will need to do something to make it right or they are acting in bad faith and legal remedies should be pursued.

    15. Re: What should they do? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      They haven't been to school yet. The best lawyers they can get are probably just what you can find using Google.

    16. Re:What should they do? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      ... but it's not like being a grad student is actually more lucrative in the short term than being a pizza delivery person who lives with their parents for another year.

      Maybe the parents should be the ones suing.

    17. Re:What should they do? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >A simple apology doesn't seem like it'd be enough.

      Yes it does.

    18. Re:What should they do? by david_thornley · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The problem with the burned bridges "tough luck" is that, as you say, you may have declined another grad school opportunity. In that case, I think CMU has responsibility for the situation and should work with the other school to make sure the applicant gets in somewhere.

      Being a grad student isn't more lucrative than pizza delivery, on the whole, However, it advances one's career much more, and so having to wait another year is simply cutting a year out of the applicant's professional life.

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    19. Re:What should they do? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      There's an easy solution: Let them all in and flunk 90%. Added benefit: You retain only those who can handle the heat.

    20. Re: What should they do? by jazman_777 · · Score: 1

      Brittle Millenials are crying millions of tears.

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    21. Re:What should they do? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shut up. I'm so sick of cry babies who demand compensation every time things don't go their way. How about you compensate me for having to read your stupid thoughts? Like a $4000000 check to be used at any bank. You can imagine my disappointment with having to deal with a buffoon like you is great, hence the $4000000 figure I am suggesting.

    22. Re:What should they do? by JustChrisM · · Score: 1

      Wow must be a different company named Google that I'm competing against when I hire at CMU. Looking at the info for 2013 Google hired 19 CS undergrads from CMU. http://www.cmu.edu/career/sala... In fact, in 2013 Google was the number one employer or CS undergrads that responded to the survey outpacing Microsoft by 50%. (19 to 13). I know this is the grad program but to say Google doesn't care about "where you went to school" shows complete ignorance of the hyper competitive environment for recruiting CS grads from top CS schools.

    23. Re:What should they do? by JustChrisM · · Score: 4, Informative

      Nope. You can probabaly get an 80K a year job in CS with a degree someplace else. However using the 2013 survey numbers ( http://www.cmu.edu/career/sala... ) Undergard CS majors had a mean salary of $94,544 . Grads data is a bit more sporadic because of the multiple majors, but VLIS was $107,333 and Software Engineering was $94,125. Considering your starting salary out of college has a major impact on your long-term earnings there is a compelling argument to be made that it has a major impact on your long-term $ earned: http://www.businessinsider.com...

    24. Re:What should they do? by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 1

      I simple mistake? Sending out 800 acceptance letters for 100 spots? That a more than a simple mistake. Guess you failed reading comprehension.

    25. Re:What should they do? by LaurenCates · · Score: 1

      When I was in college, I was only on partial scholarships and (this was before the days of online payments; the bursar figured out payments by hand in front of me) so I had to go to the bursar's office, check in hand, and pay my tuition once a month per my contract.

      Well, the bursar got the number wrong one month. I owed a couple hundred more dollars more, plus what I hadn't paid the previous month. I, being about 19, pouted, whined and expressed my quiet outrage to the person taking my check. After all, it was the office's mistake. Why should I have to pay out of my budgeted expenses when your office failed to crank the numbers out right?

      Turns out, I ended up paying the balance anyway. Why? It was a pointless battle I wasn't going to win.

      Moral of the story is, sometimes things don't go your way in life. If you were any way hurt because one college "took it back", you might have been a sheltered kid that's not used to rejection and people making mistakes. It happens. Mistakes will happen. You may have a bad relationship that screws up your life plan for having kids by 30, you may be diagnosed with ALS and not get to live to whatever full potential you envisioned for yourself, the economy may tank and your dream job disappears when the bubble bursts on your industry.

      At some point, you have to accept the fact that things aren't always going to go your way. Nobody owes you anything when that happens.

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    26. Re: What should they do? by Etherwalk · · Score: 1

      Depends on how good lawyers they have

      This. There is also an element of randomness, but the quality of the lawyers matters a lot.

      If there was no language or contract saying otherwise, then the school's offer created a power of acceptance among the students at the least, and anyone who told the school they would go in that time now has a contract with the school.

      If there were early decision applicants, then the school's acceptance likewise created the contract.

      Finally, if there were students who materially changed their position in reasonable reliance on the acceptance, they likely also have a contract.

    27. Re: What should they do? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're a spineless child and I'm glad you lost all that money, please continue to not stand up for yourself so others like me can continue to walk all over you

    28. Re:What should they do? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If they sent out a letter that said they were accepting you, then any decisions you made on that basis are really their responsibility and they are liable for. Now, if you do something particularly stupid, they could probably get out of some responsibility there. But, they definitely are on the hook for reasonable damages. Doesn't much matter whether it was a mistake or not, they still have to put you back in the position you would have been in if they hadn't sent the notice.

    29. Re: What should they do? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is Lion Hutz good?

    30. Re: What should they do? by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      What's the "value" of a college degree from CM? That should be the penalty, lifetime "value" of a CM degree, vs a High School graduate.

      These days, if a person makes an error, they are held to it forever, but a corporation makes an error, and they make a non-apology and fight any consequences

    31. Re:What should they do? by tnk1 · · Score: 1

      Let's be clear. I didn't say Google itself cared. I said it might be somewhat more useful to go to C-M if you wanted to work at Google. That's different.

      Google has a Pittsburgh office whose opening was motivated, in part, due to close ties with C-M. Also due to the high quality of IT candidates in that area, which is also a side effect of C-M.

      They may not have a requirement that you have that name on your diploma, but there is close proximity to that Google office, and C-M has very good outreach and an excellent reputation.

      There are also a fair number of C-M grads there. That ensures that there is a level of familiarity with the C-M program and the definite possibility of networking. All useful in obtaining a job out of school.

      Finally, if you go to a school like that, you're honestly a lot more likely to engage in projects and hobbies that would interest Google. They have the labs, the faculty, and the environment that helps with that. Same goes for an MIT or a Berkeley.

      Chances are good that going to C-M is an advantage if your goal is to work at a Google (or Apple or Microsoft for that matter). Schools like that don't just rely on the strength of their name for placement.

      Do you have to be smart or have done something to impress Google? Sure. There are no guarantees about placement anywhere where there is a huge line at the front door.

      However, if I was selecting a school to go to, with an eye towards having an edge towards making myself more attractive, that would be one of the schools that I'd have on my list.

      The point is, making 80k is relatively easy and you don't need a C-M degree or even a degree to make that in IT. That's not why you go to C-M. You go to places like that to take advantage of its particular opportunities to improve your game as a CS person and that can get you where you need to be to be marketable to the top places to work.

  3. Dammit Jim! by Ukab+the+Great · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm a PhD in CompSci, not a software engineer!

    1. Re:Dammit Jim! by omfg-no · · Score: 5, Funny

      I'm a PhD in CompSci, not a software engineer!

      Code Monkey get up get coffee...

    2. Re:Dammit Jim! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Welcome to bestbuy

    3. Re:Dammit Jim! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Um, you would never want to use code from a PhD student...

    4. Re:Dammit Jim! by silvermorph · · Score: 1

      Funny, but untrue - it's a common misconception that academics' code is bad. I think you would be pleasantly surprised at the quality of the code if you worked with them directly. There are bad apples of course, but the vast majority are very capable programmers with solid fundamentals.

    5. Re:Dammit Jim! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've worked with plenty of academics who wrote bad code.

      I'm always pleased, and surprised when I run into one who does write clean code.

    6. Re:Dammit Jim! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good lord there's three times as many lines dedicated to comments as there are actual working code! Of what's left half is sanity checks, timers to measure efficiency (they are Scientists after all), and reinvention of already existing libraries.

    7. Re:Dammit Jim! by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      The academics I deal with are more worried about doing it "pure" and "right" and less about getting it done. And "right" in the real world is often wrong, for all things. There's a reason why engineers are banned from PE status until after a real-world apprenticeship. They have learned theory in college, then have to learn the real way to do it from the real world before they can be an engineer.

  4. hmmm... by Charliemopps · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I suspect those that turned down other university offers for this one, only to find out they weren't accepted and no have no-where to go have basis for a lawsuit. And what about those that had scholarships at other schools and lost them? Mistakes like this, and such a critical point in your life, affect the whole of the rest of your life. It could change the entire trajectory of your career.

    1. Re:hmmm... by sribe · · Score: 5, Informative

      I suspect those that turned down other university offers for this one, only to find out they weren't accepted and no have no-where to go...

      The email was corrected within 7 hours--pretty unlikely there are any damages to anyone other than the huge disappointment.

    2. Re:hmmm... by DarkOx · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Wait though, given its February I assume these are early acceptances for Fall 2015 semester? I don't recall ever "turning down other offers" of acceptance is that even a thing do people do that? I thought you just let the other offers expire. Those letters usually say you have until a certain date to contact the school about enrolling. Given that its still only February, I suspect most students still have the ability to exercise any other offers they might have gotten.

      Well unless they did something stupid like dial up the admissions office at $STATE to say "Suck-it fools I got accepted at Carnegie!"

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    3. Re:hmmm... by mwvdlee · · Score: 2

      I guess that's Carnegie-mellon's luck then, that they're unlikely to get sued.
      7 hours is plenty of time to both recieve multiple acceptances and send back replies politely turning them down.
      With hundreds of people, there are bound to be a few.

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    4. Re:hmmm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Nope. I turned down all my other scholarship offers immediately. Now I have nothing...time to begin a life of crime. Now I now how Batman villains feel.

    5. Re:hmmm... by ranton · · Score: 2

      I suspect those that turned down other university offers for this one, only to find out they weren't accepted and no have no-where to go have basis for a lawsuit. And what about those that had scholarships at other schools and lost them? Mistakes like this, and such a critical point in your life, affect the whole of the rest of your life. It could change the entire trajectory of your career.

      The article says people who can show actual harm like the situation you just gave (which was also given in TFA) would probably have a good case for a lawsuit. Although they also mention that because the apology email was sent only a few hours after the mistaken acceptance letters were sent, it is unlikely anyone was harmed. Hopefully most students smart enough to get into Carnegie-Mellon are also smart enough to follow due diligence and verify their financial aid is in order before contacting other colleges and withdrawing their applications.

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    6. Re:hmmm... by thaylin · · Score: 2

      Especially since most of this is done online now..

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    7. Re:hmmm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      Well most of them were not smart enough to get into Carnegie-Mellon. That's sort of the point.

    8. Re:hmmm... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      I dunno, I handed in my notice about five minutes after getting my new job confirmed. Didn't wait 7 hours just to make sure there wasn't a follow up email retracting the offer. Could have been screwed pretty badly if I had been forced to stay at a company that knew I was trying to leave imminently.

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    9. Re:hmmm... by Charliemopps · · Score: 1

      I agree for the most part. I did, however, have a small grant based on the school I picked when I went. I had to say "yes" or "no" to, etc... I could see myself calling them and telling them to give it to someone else, etc... I think it's rather unlikely any particular person would find themselves in a situation like that. But there were 800 affected people... the chances go way up once you see that.

      Too be honest, it's been decades since I went to school, so I'm probably not the best resource in knowing how admissions are handled now-a-days.

    10. Re:hmmm... by ranton · · Score: 1

      Well most of them were not smart enough to get into Carnegie-Mellon. That's sort of the point.

      Lol, touche.

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    11. Re:hmmm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I hear someone quit there job as well.

    12. Re:hmmm... by jpapon · · Score: 2

      Not to mention that I doubt the university you turned down would give you grief if you called them and explained the situation.

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    13. Re:hmmm... by khallow · · Score: 1

      A company I was going to work for lost funding a day before I was to start working there. That was damned exciting.

    14. Re:hmmm... by Registered+Coward+v2 · · Score: 1

      Wait though, given its February I assume these are early acceptances for Fall 2015 semester? I don't recall ever "turning down other offers" of acceptance is that even a thing do people do that?

      I did when I went to grad school. I called the admissions office and politely declined their offer once I got into my #1 choice. I must admit, since the school was our #1 rival at my undergrad it was a bit enjoyable to turn them down; but I felt I ought to let them know as they had people on the waitlist.

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    15. Re: hmmm... by whopis · · Score: 1

      Depends on how you turned them down....

    16. Re:hmmm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're assuming that this school was actually their first choice.

    17. Re:hmmm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I here someone quit their job as well

      There. FTFY.

    18. Re:hmmm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you have any physical deformations? Unless the villains dropped their requisites you won't get in with just an average-looking mug.

  5. test of one's mete by CloudDrakken · · Score: 0

    Little did the applicants know they were supposed to decrypt the "acceptance letters" using the provided CMU CS department decoder ring...

  6. Hurts go good... by funkymonkjay · · Score: 1

    Come on baby! make it hurt so good!
    sorry, blame my dendrite that reached over to the 80's section

  7. "what are the other explanations?" by Nutria · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Submitter can't be so dim that "human error" doesn't occur to him, can he?

    (Females in the 21st century are too sainted to make this kind of mistake...)

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    1. Re:"what are the other explanations?" by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 4, Funny

      Maybe he works in my building. Nothing is ever anything other than computer error, as far as everyone other than me is concerned.

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    2. Re:"what are the other explanations?" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      How in the world does sexism like that get rated up? If I said "blacks in the 21st century are too sainted to make this kind of mistake" would I get upvoted?

  8. April 1st by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They should have waited to send out the fake acceptance letters on April 1st. They could have used the April Fools holiday as an excuse then.

    They don't mail out their approval letters the old fashioned way? I bet they do that next year.

  9. Reminds Me Of My Own Experiences by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Reminds me of an experience I had with a university. I had submitted an application for a scholarship. Some time later, I received a letter saying they were missing some piece of information that I had to mail back before they could continue processing my application. A few days passed, and before I mailed in the information, I received a second letter saying that they now had all the information they required, so I didn't bother mailing it.

    Weeks passed with no updates. After the deadline for when they were supposed to have gotten back to me came and went, I called them up, and guess what? They couldn't complete my application due to missing information. The same information that they'd requested in the first letter, but which I didn't send in because the follow-up letter had stated that they had all the information. It really pissed me off.

    1. Re:Reminds Me Of My Own Experiences by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am guessing you are the same person that get's pissed off when the car runs out of gas.

      If the gas gauge lied about how much was left? Yes, I would be pretty pissed off. I bet you would be too if the gauge read half-full, yet in reality the tank was empty.

      Your fault, Boo hoo because you can't take responsibility.

      Take responsibility for what? Please, tell me what I am avoiding responsibility for, because as I already stated, the second letter said that they already had all the information they required. Seems to me that the scholarship office are the ones who bear that responsibility.

  10. computer error? by NostalgiaForInfinity · · Score: 1

    "Computer errors" in these situations usually mean a human entered data incorrectly or someone pushed the wrong button; not that a software bug turned 600 rejections into acceptance.

    As HAL said: It can only be attributable to human error.

    1. Re:computer error? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it means no QA and multiple morons at various levels

    2. Re:computer error? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Business as usual for the software industry, and we have Carnegie Mellon to thank for telling us how to run it!

    3. Re:computer error? by PPH · · Score: 3, Funny

      Still, it comes down to an error in their process. I'd bump them down to a CMM Level of 1.

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    4. Re:computer error? by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Depending on who's programming the system, it could have been a programming error. A friend of mine who contracted with MIT for a time said that far too much of the software that ran the school had been written by grad students who didn't bother to leave a copy of the source behind.

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  11. WOOHOO, I got in! by NotDrWho · · Score: 5, Funny

    FUCK YOU, Rob, you sad McJob manager! I just got into Carnegie-Mellon's CS program for grad school! So you can SUCK MY DICK, Rob! And that goes for you too Stacey! This motherfucker right here is GOING PLACES, BITCH! So you can shove this smock right up your tight asses! And don't look to see me again, 'cause I'm going to be in Pittsburg getting my Masters on!

    Oh look, I just got another letter from them. Must be to congratulate me AGAIN! Let's open it up, so I can shove it right in your FAT FACES!

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    1. Re:WOOHOO, I got in! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm having flashbacks of when Chumlee won that lottery ticket on pawn stars now. Thanks for the chuckle this morning!

    2. Re:WOOHOO, I got in! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      that was a planed setupup / joke for the show. This was a fuck up.

    3. Re:WOOHOO, I got in! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's "Pittsburgh" - with an "h"

    4. Re:WOOHOO, I got in! by ThatsDrDangerToYou · · Score: 1

      Better misspelled in this case. Comedic license yo.

  12. This isn't the first time... by JimXugle · · Score: 1

    When I applied there for undergraduate, I was sent two rejection letters, four months apart.

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    1. Re:This isn't the first time... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      They wanted to be damn sure you didn't show up!

    2. Re:This isn't the first time... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did you apply to more than one program? When I applied, they did separate admission decisions for each school/dept.

    3. Re:This isn't the first time... by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      When I applied for early admission for my first-choice, I never got a rejection. Or acceptance. I was rejected. No to CM. After the notification period had passed, I had to call them and ask.

  13. What's the problem? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Aren't we always hearing about this mythical shortage of STEM workers? Let's hope they're all black transwomen too, we need more diversity!

  14. They should honor the acceptances. by dpbsmith · · Score: 1

    If the applicant is seriously underqualified and likely to fail, they should say so, give the specific reasons, and advise them not to enter the program.

    Nevertheless, if they've actually sent out an acceptance--if it wasn't a forgery--they should honor the acceptance.

    It's the right thing to do.

    1. Re:They should honor the acceptances. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If they normally accept ~100 people, there is no way they have the facilities (classrooms, teachers, administrative staff, labs to work in, etc.) to enroll 800 people.

    2. Re:They should honor the acceptances. by Nukenbar · · Score: 1

      Why? Because of an error? Just send your apology mailings, take your black eye and move on.

  15. STEM shortage solved! by plopez · · Score: 1

    Why are we turning away applicants when MILLIONS (no citations provided) of STEM jobs remain unfilled? We just need MORE STEM graduates to stay competitive (no citation provided). Schools are turning away qualified and motivated applicants just to fill affirmative action quotas (No citation provided). We must do something! Think of the children[1]!

    (In case you missed it that was sarcasm)

    [1] Disclaimer; proper health care, nutrition, primary and secondary not included.

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    1. Re:STEM shortage solved! by guruevi · · Score: 1

      They're only selecting girls? *ducks*

      The problem is that there are too much applications for most "prestigious" schools to fulfill. Everyone with a scholarship or enough money is going to apply to Harvard, Yale, MIT, Carnegie... Even less-prestigious schools have to turn down thousands of applicants yearly. There are simply too many kids and not enough space to educate these kids.

      There is no shortage of employees in these fields, I know plenty of people in those fields that are unemployed, both freshly educated as well as seasoned scientists and techies (I work at a somewhat prestigious University). There is a shortage of 'free' or 'cheap' slave labor however and that's what H1B's are there for - H1B's with PhD's at $26k/year and minimum benefits - why not.

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    2. Re:STEM shortage solved! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it's true though. you can't just go get an education in this country, even if you can afford it and complete the program. there are too many gatekeepers in the way trying to keep the "wrong type of people" out.

    3. Re:STEM shortage solved! by plopez · · Score: 1

      Simple, just let anyone teach and the number of students that can be educated will increase. And unemployment will be reduced. A win-win!

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  16. Just ask for a T-Shirt by rjune · · Score: 1

    CMU isn't going to do anything about this to those affected by this mistake. Their accrediting agency, Middle States Commission on Higher Education, http://www.msche.org/ will make you jump through numerous hoops before doing nothing. If you can get them to pony up a t-shirt, you'll be doing well. Take the t-shirt and move on to Plan B.

  17. How to lose friends and infuriate people by JoeyRox · · Score: 1

    In twelve easy steps!

  18. Simple Solution by PortHaven · · Score: 1

    Accept all 800 students in a newly established online degree program. Inform those who successfully achieve an 3.75 their first year will be granted acceptance onto the campus.

  19. Those that can't do... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    write code and don't test!

  20. Yes where your degree is from matters by sjbe · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Nope. Google does not care about the useless "where you went to school" nonsense.

    I don't believe that for a second. It might not be of primary concern but I have zero doubt that if you went to MIT or Carnegie Mellon and graduated with an IT related degree, it WILL factor into the hiring decision at Google.

    They want to know you have skills and abilities.

    Of course they do. That's precisely why they care whether or not you graduated from a known good training program. It is evidence that you are likely to have the sort of skills they are looking for. They'll test you further but it is a piece of evidence.

    Show up with a brilliant invention under your arm and they will gladly take an ITT Tech graduate.

    Perhaps but since that doesn't happen very often where you went to school WILL get looked at.

    1. Re:Yes where your degree is from matters by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      After a job or three, basically nobody that knows shit cares were you went to school or even if you went to school.

      I've known useless air thieves with degrees from Berkeley and MIT. Smart but useless.

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    2. Re:Yes where your degree is from matters by Khyber · · Score: 1

      "I don't believe that for a second."

      I do some Google work. I've got just a high-school diploma and a teensy bit of college under my belt.

      I had to go through three face-to-face vetting interviews.

      Sadly my section is getting shut down roughly mid-year this year, so unless I get moved elsewhere, I'm going to be back to designing lighting and hydro systems.

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    3. Re:Yes where your degree is from matters by aardvarkjoe · · Score: 2

      After a job or three, basically nobody that knows shit cares were you went to school or even if you went to school.

      Which suggests that for your first job or three, the people hiring you will, indeed, care where you got your degree.

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    4. Re:Yes where your degree is from matters by sjbe · · Score: 1

      I do some Google work. I've got just a high-school diploma and a teensy bit of college under my belt.

      That is not evidence that they don't consider your educational background in the hiring decision. It might not be a requirement but it sure as hell doesn't hurt to have a degree from a good school.

    5. Re:Yes where your degree is from matters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I do some Google work.

      Most of the Internet-enabled population of the world can say the same.

    6. Re:Yes where your degree is from matters by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Some more then others.

      They will also care what you got your degree in.

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    7. Re:Yes where your degree is from matters by Hodr · · Score: 1

      Just like showing up with a fancy invention will get you serious consideration, showing up with a degree from the consistently #1 rated computer science program in the country (and possibly the world) would get you noticed, and likely hired.

      It's like saying you don't need to be 7 foot tall to play basketball. But if you were 7 foot tall, and showed up to tryouts, do you think they might be more likely to give you serious consideration?

    8. Re:Yes where your degree is from matters by ranton · · Score: 2

      After a job or three, basically nobody that knows shit cares were you went to school or even if you went to school.

      So you are saying where you went to school is very important, since it has an impact on your early career. How you spend the first 5-10 years of your career has enormous impact on your entire career. There are obviously exceptions, but by definition most people are not exceptions.

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    9. Re:Yes where your degree is from matters by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Insightful

      if you went to MIT or Carnegie Mellon and graduated with an IT related degree, it WILL factor into the hiring decision at Google.

      It will factor even more into the decision to interview you in the first place. At my company, we interview only about 5% of applicants. Google likely interviews a much smaller percentage.

    10. Re:Yes where your degree is from matters by jones_supa · · Score: 1

      So what? It does not hurt anywhere to have a degree from a good school. But he already proved that a cool degree from MIT or Carnegie-Mellon is not a strict requirement at Google.

    11. Re:Yes where your degree is from matters by Khyber · · Score: 1

      And yet most of them can't say they were face-to-face vetted by Google staff in interviews.

      There's the difference.

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    12. Re:Yes where your degree is from matters by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 1

      I don't believe that for a second. It might not be of primary concern but I have zero doubt that if you went to MIT or Carnegie Mellon and graduated with an IT related degree, it WILL factor into the hiring decision at Google.

      Sure, it absolutely factors into a hiring decision. Your degree is important for getting in the door initially without any initial experience, of course, or perhaps for standing out among equally qualified candidates. However, if you have a few years of experience, people generally stop caring about where you went to school or (occasionally) even if you went to school at all, because at that point your work record should speak for itself.

      Whenever I was asked to evaluate candidates, my criteria in order of importance was:

      * Work History (have they proven they can do this job)
      * Personality (will they get along with the team)
      * Technical competence (can they do the job as demonstrated with code samples and tests)
      * Education (formal training with some breadth is never a bad thing)

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    13. Re:Yes where your degree is from matters by ranton · · Score: 1

      So what? It does not hurt anywhere to have a degree from a good school. But he already proved that a cool degree from MIT or Carnegie-Mellon is not a strict requirement at Google.

      Who cares if he proved that? It is irrelevant to the conversation. The only question is whether or not the degree is a factor in hiring. The original post by "sjbe" already conceded it might not be of primary concern.

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    14. Re:Yes where your degree is from matters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Vetting does not imply receiving an offer.

    15. Re:Yes where your degree is from matters by Khyber · · Score: 1

      Apparently you can't follow the conversation.

      Try reading at my first post and working your way down the thread, instead of assuming you know full-well what is being discussed. It's obvious you missed some critical stuff.

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  21. This isn't too unusual by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Mistakes do happen in admissions offices of universities. It looks like this one was corrected fairly quickly. I was told by the option representative at Caltech that I was admitted by mistake about a week before I was to start graduate school. In hindsight it was obvious it was a mistake as I had been rejected by other less prestigious institutions.

  22. There is no such thing as a "computer error" by sjbe · · Score: 1

    They're not saying "computer error," but what are the other explanations?

    There is no such thing as a computer error. Either it was user error or the computer was programmed improperly or the computer's hardware was designed/built improperly. ALL of those are human errors. Computers do exactly what they are told to do. Nothing more, nothing less. If the instructions are faulty then the computer will execute those faulty instructions faithfully.

    1. Re:There is no such thing as a "computer error" by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      If there's no such thing as "computer error", then why do we have all this error-correcting stuff in our memory etc.?

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    2. Re:There is no such thing as a "computer error" by sjbe · · Score: 1

      If there's no such thing as "computer error", then why do we have all this error-correcting stuff in our memory etc.?

      Because the computer was designed in such a way as to require it. While there are a few problems due to noise in communications channels and unstable storage, these are known physics problems with known solutions. Because we know about the problems any errors are for all practical purposes human mistakes. If you know a problem can occur and don't bother to design around it then that is a human error.

    3. Re:There is no such thing as a "computer error" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well that settles it there's no such thing as a computer error and the term should be retired.

    4. Re:There is no such thing as a "computer error" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is no such thing as computer error

      If you know a problem can occur and don't bother to design around it then that is a human error

      No, idiot, that makes it computer error that a human failed to correct for. There is almost nothing worse than a pedantic person that is WRONG about their pedantic tick.

    5. Re:There is no such thing as a "computer error" by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 1

      The term "computer error" doesn't imply that the computer made a mistake on it's own, since computers obviously have no independent judgment. Rather, it's simply used to subdivide all errors between "user errors" and errors found within the hardware or software, or "computer errors". Your argument is akin to saying "There's no such thing as a human, because all humans are actually mammals".

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    6. Re:There is no such thing as a "computer error" by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Okay, what do we do when cosmic rays decide to change the contents of memory into something else that still has the right checksoms or whatever the heck the memory has? No matter how much redundancy you build in, it's possible for cosmic rays to flip the bits just right. It can occur, and it is impossible to completely design around.

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  23. because that is contractural obligation by user.aaaaa · · Score: 0

    yea

  24. Common error - happens every year by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Wrong acceptance email happens every year (watch for them from March through April). Often at private K-12 schools, but also at colleges as well.
    It has nothing to do with nefarious plots; and it doesn't take an especially stupid person.

    Here's a few obvious reasons::
        The programs are only run live once a year. An annual relearning exercise
        "Accepted Applicants" and "All Applicants" reside in the same database. It's easy to export the wrong selection.
        The staff changes from year to year
        Often the admissions department is a small staff with minimal computer experience.
        New software, and, especially, new office routines come along during the year.
        Admissions departments worry about applicants; not aboutsoftware testing and deployment issues
        Around this time, admissions people are under serious pressure from all sides to finish - pestered by parents, administration, and applicants.
        Correct notification of applicants isn't considered mission-critical by admissions ("Hey - we goofed, so we'll just send out another email.")

  25. Huh? by Daetrin · · Score: 1

    "The program accepts fewer than nine percent of more than 1,200 applicants, which places the acceptance level at about a hundred, so they're bad at math, too."

    Does this joke depend on some fact in TFA? (Which i am unable to read at work.) Are they actually supposed to be accepting some number that is significantly higher or lower than 100? As it is that statement stands out as a total non-sequitur.

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    1. Re:Huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      TFA stated that in the email they informed the candidate that they were part of a select few of less than 9% of the more than 1200 applicants to be admitted to the program, then they distributed that email to over 800 people.

      The joke is making an assumption that the sender/author of the email knew that it would be going to >800 people. If I had a hunch, I would be willing to bet they had their pool, knew the number (I mean, they did the math to figure out the percentage) and crafted the email. However, the selection criteria was somehow incorrect and it got distributed to an incorrect population (say, those that made it past the first screen but not that were admitted) and was not validated before hitting the send button. In all likelihood, it didn't say who or how many people it was sending to.

  26. They need to improve their CMMI level by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

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  27. Get the university name right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Also ironic is that the blowhard submitter thinks CMU's mistake is so funny, but can't even be bothered to get the name of the school right. It hasn't been "Carnegie-Mellon" for close to 20 years. It's "Carnegie Mellon" with no dash. (TFA has it correct.)

  28. Close to Home by The+Atog+Lord · · Score: 1

    This one hits a bit close to home for me. I'm actually just finishing up my PhD in the School of Computer Science at Carnegie Mellon. Within a month, I should be Doctor Atog. Getting an acceptance letter like that can be life-changing. I've spent the past six years of my life in Pittsburgh because of being accepted to CMU. This has been an amazing place and I feel very fortunate for the opportunity to have been here. I've had doors opened because of being here, and I've been able to have some very rewarding experiences. I've learned a lot and I've certainly grown as a person. I still remember first getting that acceptance from CMU. I was overjoyed, and I knew that my future would be different because of that acceptance.

    The students getting these false acceptance letters had several hours before there was a correction. Those hours are a lot of time. That is enough time to tell present employers that they are quitting. Enough to tell friends and family the good news. Time enough to tell other schools that they are retracting their applications. In other words, lots of time to make some fairly hefty life-altering decisions based on the news.

    1. Re:Close to Home by netsavior · · Score: 1

      Congrats, I know you probably had to eat a lot of artifacts to get where you are today.

  29. go for it - admit them all. by izzo+nizzo · · Score: 1

    You'll have to hire some new professors but it will all work out.