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The Disastrous Privacy Consequences of Canada's Anti-Terrorism Bill

An anonymous reader writes "Canada's proposed anti-terrorism legislation is currently being debated in the House of Commons, with the government already serving notice that it plans to limit debate. Michael Geist argues that decision has enormous privacy consequences, since the bill effectively creates a "total information awareness" approach that represents a radical shift away from our traditional understanding of public sector privacy protection. The bill permits information sharing across government for an incredibly wide range of purposes, most of which have nothing to do with terrorism and opens the door to further disclosure "to any person, for any purpose." The cumulative effect is to grant government near-total power to share information for purposes that extend far beyond terrorism with few safeguards or privacy protections."

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  1. Fuck. by waspleg · · Score: 2

    I guess I can't threaten to move there anymore as the US pot boils over.

    1. Re:Fuck. by boristdog · · Score: 2, Funny

      I actually did move to Canada after getting disgusted by REAL ID. I'm starting to think I should have moved to Uruguay.

      You know, about 30 years ago I would think "If I had to leave the US, where would I go?" And one of the countries that always came up was Uruguay. Apparently I was quite prescient in my 20's.

    2. Re:Fuck. by BForrester · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yeah, cause somebody cares about you "threatening" to move to Canada.

      Excuse me, but yes we do, thank you very much.

      Sincerely,

      Canadians.

    3. Re:Fuck. by zlives · · Score: 2

      the question really isn't about privacy, but rather about freedom. Not the freedom as is touted but rather freedom from consequences of no-privacy.
      repercussions of free speech without the protection of anonymity would be one. Just look at any whistle blower in recent history. That is at a governmental scale. However just think about having your private words, pictures, correspondence in public domain with the narrow minded social infrastructure that current US society displays in its fervor...
      Make a provocative comment and be censured from work, friends and future prospects...

      I am willing to buy the argument, if you are not guilty you shouldn't have anything to hide when the society is at a socially elevated level to accept people as they are without judgement... and no I won't hold my breath for that to happen.

    4. Re: Fuck. by rickb928 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      âMake a provocative comment and be censured from work, friends and future prospects...â

      This already happens, you know. One of my family members is an elementary school teacher. Every budget proposal is CRITICAL!, every election is the future of our nation, and any politician that proposes limiting spending to available revenues is killing education and hates our children!!!

      I can't talk politics with her. It's literally her pocketbook. No matter the realities, she is only interested in job.

      And I understand. I work in an even more arbitrary environment. Business.

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  2. Papers, Comrade by erp_consultant · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Welcome to the modern day fascist state. Privacy is a luxury no longer afforded to everyday citizens.

  3. Good question, not answered: by Layzej · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The wording is sufficiently vague to permit a Canadian Security Intelligence Service investigation of anyone who challenges the Conservatives' social, economic or environmental policies, the Opposition leader said during the daily question period.

    "What's to stop this bill from being used to spy on the government's political enemies?"

    Prime Minister Stephen Harper dismissed the suggestion, telling the House of Commons the NDP had entered the realm of conspiracy theory.

    "That's what we've come to expect from the black helicopter fleet over there." - http://www.cbc.ca/m/touch/poli...

    1. Re:Good question, not answered: by lazarus · · Score: 2

      Democracy is rule by the result of a popularity contest, and no government wants to be caught having the charge of "not protecting the people" leveled against them because that makes them unpopular. Not the current government, and not the next one either.

      In a year and a half when the election is in full-swing someone will ask Justin if he will repeal it. He'll avoid the question (probably), and even if he agrees to it, he'll renege once he is elected. Why? Because it's good for him to have it in place, and the existing government will be painted with the brush of unpopularity for introducing it.

      As you've stated, what is needed is oversight. But sadly while we live in a democracy every government we elect will want to monitor and track us, while pretending that they mostly don't. Because arresting people before they do something is popular. And appearing reactionary after the fact is unpopular. That's the nature of the beast.

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    2. Re:Good question, not answered: by Addicted+To+FM · · Score: 2

      The fact that Harper is calling the NDP paranoid would be funny if this bill wasn't basically a guaranteed slam dunk. :( Harper is highly paranoid and isn't above spying to begin with. A paranoid coward with power is a dangerous person indeed. :/

    3. Re:Good question, not answered: by Jason+Levine · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Government will always abuse power eventually. Suppose we elected a moral government that would never abuse their power (it's a hypothetical situation that will never be reality so might as well fill it with hypothetical politicians that will never be real), they make a law with good intentions, but one that has a loophole that could be abused. Supporters might say "this government would never abuse it because they gave their word/they are such good people/they don't believe in that sort of thing." Maybe the supporters would even be right. But governments always change.

      Even if the present government was perfectly aligned to never abuse that law, the next one might be. Or the one after that. And when the government is in place that WILL abuse the law, it might not be abusing it in a way that happens to further your political views (and thus might result in you turning a blind eye to the abuse like people tend to do when it supports their causes).

      So even if we assume that Harper is right and their current government would never abuse this law, what's to stop the next government from abusing it?

      This is why, whenever a new law is proposed to grant government new powers, I always ask supporters how they would like it if PERSON_FROM_OPPOSING_POLITICAL_POWER was in charge and had those powers. All too often people support new government powers without oversight because it supports their causes without thinking ahead about how other politicians will abuse them.

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  4. Like all governments ... by gstoddart · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They're quick to tell us how this is going to make us more secure, but they've utterly failed to demonstrate how existing laws are inadequate, or that these news laws would have helped at all in anything they've missed.

    This is the drooling "we need to give the security people the tools to do their job", while ignoring the legal protections we're supposed to have, and failing to justify these new powers.

    And, of course, the government spokesman said how this proposal was met well by the other people in the "five eyes" ... of course they're going to love it, they get a share of the fucking take.

    We don't give a shit about what a foreign government thinks about our security and information sharing, because they greedily want this shit.

    We give a shit about the fact that this is illegal, unnecessary, completely unjustified, and completely lacking in proper checks and balances.

    This is a government operating on a "law and order" agenda who doesn't give a fuck about the law.

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    1. Re:Like all governments ... by Jason+Levine · · Score: 2

      Whenever I hear a politician claim "terrorists", I think of that dog from the movie Up. He's just talking normally and then - SQUIRREL! - followed by him losing his train of thought and starting over. Except the politician thinks that we, the electorate, are the dog and that "terrorist" will make us lose focus and wind up supporting whatever inane bill they propose.

      "We have to endure body cavity searches to get on airlines now? That's outrageous! I'm going to protest this by - TERRORIST! What was I talking about again?"

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    2. Re:Like all governments ... by bobbied · · Score: 5, Insightful

      They're quick to tell us how this is going to make us more secure, but they've utterly failed to demonstrate how existing laws are inadequate.

      And we stumbled onto a VERY important point. Legislators are often guilty of passing a new law because they want to be seen as "doing something" about a problem. FEW of them actually ask the question "So what laws do we have NOW that address this and do we need to modify them?" Even fewer would actually understand the answer.

      This is about politics, about Public Relations and how I can burnish my image and tarnish my opponent. So if I can pass a law and claim to have addressed the issue, I have advanced MYSELF. Who cares if it's the right thing to do or if making a minor tweak to existing law or budgets would be a better, faster, cheaper fix? Oh no, it's about appearances, not effectiveness..

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    3. Re:Like all governments ... by JackieBrown · · Score: 3, Insightful

      We just went through this in my hometown (San Antonio.)

      We passed laws outlawing cell phones because it causes reckless driving. The thing is, we already have laws against reckless driving.
      Do we need a law for eating food in the car while driving or putting make up on?

  5. Re:It was always just a matter of time... by cayenne8 · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Actually, I was thinking this was basically a test run of this type thing before the US tries passing the same thing.

    We're losing our freedoms and rights here pretty badly, but nothing quite yet as bad as this sound like in CA.

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  6. Hopefully this will be Harper's death knell by Piata · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It's amazing how one man can so completely destroy a country, both politically and culturally in under a decade. The CRA (the Canadian version of the IRS) is currently doing audits of non-profit organizations and revoking the non-profit status of organizations that have political ideologies that go against the Conservative agenda.

    Dying with Dignity loses charitable status after political activity probe
    7 Environmental Charities Face Canada Revenue Agency Audits

    I can't wait for the next election and I sincerely hope the PC's are so savagaley beaten at the polls that they'll be laughed out of town on the oil wagon they rolled in on.

  7. Dear Canada. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    So.. Uh.. Yeah. Its this letter.

    I don't know how to say this, but you should get yourself tested.

    Here in the US we've got a bad case of the conservative stupid and it looks like you've caught it to. If you're lucky you can stave off the stagnating wages, crumbling infrastructure, tyranny of the banking sector, and jingoistic warmongering.

    Love, the USA

    1. Re:Dear Canada. by compro01 · · Score: 2

      Now it's just a matter of getting the majority of Canadians to go "No I don't want this idiot again."

      No, it's a matter of getting decidedly more than a majority to go like that. Harper got here with 39% of the vote, thanks to dirty tricks and this idiotic system of voting we're stuck with.

      You'll need a large supermajority to get rid of him. The most recent projection shows he's still likely to form government with 32.9% of the vote.

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  8. Re:It was always just a matter of time... by NoNonAlphaCharsHere · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You need to re-read the PATRIOT act.

  9. A Balance Of Power by JimSadler · · Score: 2

    In the US we have a balance of power that few people understand. We have an executive, a legislative, a judicial, and the fourth equal power which is the public and all have a defined limit to their powers. That is an upward limit as well as a downward limit. So the public is restrained by the Constitution just like any other part of the balance of powers. Electronic communications are new and unforeseen in our founders' eyes. Yet there should be no assumption at all that the public must yield some of their share of powers at all simply because something new comes along. In essence if the executive, the legislative, or the judicial system are not wide open to communications then the public has the right to privacy just as much as any branch or even the military or CIA has any right to secured communications. Or the government has the option to make all communications and data acquisition open to all of us without exception. The practical aspects of such a thing should not be a factor in a court ruling. Essentially the constitution is what it is and that could even include it being a mutual suicide pact. If a practical solution type of society was our goal we would be tossing people in the ovens and slaughtering anyone who made ripples in the pond or was to weak to supply all of their own needs. If little Johny shows up at the emergency room with a broken spine we try to do the best we can for little Johny. In a practical society we would simply shoot Johny in the head and toss his body in the city dump or use his corpse to feed the pigs. In other words you really do not want to live in a practical society as you just might be Johny one day.

  10. I forget.... by unixcorn · · Score: 2

    Who do I need protection from?

  11. Re:It was always just a matter of time... by gstoddart · · Score: 5, Insightful

    No, it's a feedback loop. The exact same thing is happening with copyright.

    America (and all of the five eyes) want additional laws and powers. Those laws and powers are currently illegal and unpopular.

    So, one of the five eyes gets talked into passing a law which goes much further. And then the rest of them all say "see, we need these powers too".

    The exact same thing has been happening with copyright, and spying provisions ... they play off one another to expand the powers internationally, and then push to get the same things domestically.

    Essentially most western governments now have three magic keys to the kingdom: copyright, terrorism, and child porn.

    These three things are being used to march the goalposts further down the field, and the consequences for the rest of our liberties be damned.

    The five-eyes are flunkies in advancing the interests of corporations, and conspiring together to give us global fascism and surveillance. The Western democracies are all actively trying to say "fuck you and your rights, this is what we do, this is who we share it with, and if you don't like it fuck off".

    Essentially the governments and spy agencies of the five-eyes are larger threats to our liberties than the people they claim to be protecting us from.

    And they seem to not give a damn what they do to get there.

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  12. What's the matter with Canada? by ThatsNotPudding · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I used to think Canadians - even those out in the forsaken, endless prairies - were far more wise and progressive than us USians, but no. How long has GOP-backed and advised Harper been in power now? What happened? Was it tar sand greed? Pure apathy? The assumption they were all as 'funny' as Laughable Bublefuck Rob Ford?

    Quite sad; I thought the Canadians were better than, well, just about everybody, but now no different than the rest of the Right-Wing Police State, Might Makes Right, Western world. [le sigh]

    1. Re:What's the matter with Canada? by Zeromous · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Try living in Canadian "Fuck You I Got Mine" Suburbs. The cognitive dissonance is astounding.

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    2. Re:What's the matter with Canada? by compro01 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      What happened?

      An idiotic voting system, gerrymandered ridings, Republicans giving the Conservatives dirty tricks lessons, and 39% of the population being idiots.

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    3. Re:What's the matter with Canada? by crunchygranola · · Score: 2, Interesting

      How long has GOP-backed and advised Harper been in power now? What happened? Was it tar sand greed? ...

      I think you are on to something. Right-wing extremist oil/energy money has been a potent factor in U.S. politics since the 1940s, witness the John Birch Society founded and run by Fred Koch. Its in-your-face craziness led to it being rejected by the Republican mainstream in the early 1960s, and then marginalized, but this very small group had enormous financial resources, and patience and has built up an enormous infrastructure to push their policies over the years, not just at the national level but in states around the country. It was an odd spectacle when the newly elected Governor Walker of Wisconsin took a call he thought was from Charles Koch and assured that citizen of Kansas that he was on board with his anti-union legislation program; evidently this resident of another state who could not cast a vote for him is Walker's real "constituent".

      With the Tea party the John Birch Society in effect took over complete control of the Republican Party.

      Just as the OIl Birchers have been taking control of the politics of states they don't live in, they seem to be pushing their politics in Canada too, no doubt with the assistance of much Canadian oil money. Farmers are being threatened with losing their farms in Nebraska so that a pipeline of Canadian tar-oil from tar sands project partly owned by the Koch brothers can get to Koch refineries in Louisiana.

      Anyone opposing oil money will certainly get crushed, sooner rather than later.

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    4. Re:What's the matter with Canada? by quantaman · · Score: 2

      I used to think Canadians - even those out in the forsaken, endless prairies - were far more wise and progressive than us USians, but no. How long has GOP-backed and advised Harper been in power now? What happened? Was it tar sand greed? Pure apathy? The assumption they were all as 'funny' as Laughable Bublefuck Rob Ford?

      Quite sad; I thought the Canadians were better than, well, just about everybody, but now no different than the rest of the Right-Wing Police State, Might Makes Right, Western world. [le sigh]

      It's a combination of three things.

      1) Harper isn't nearly as bad as the US right. There are certainly elements of that in his party, but he would still be a better fit as a Democrat than Republican in the US.

      2) First past the post exaggerates strong minorities into big majorities. He should be PM but he shouldn't have a majority.

      3) Even being a decent PM, he's still too far right for Canadians. The reason he's stuck around is he is good at winning elections, and the Liberal candidates not nearly as much. That might change, since Justin Trudeau took over he has actually out polled Harper fairly regularly, but whether Trudeau holds up through an election campaign is a big question.

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