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Gadgets That Spy On Us: Way More Than TVs

Presto Vivace writes with a reminder that it's not just Samsung TVslots of other gadgets are spying on you "But Samsung's televisions are far from the only seeing-and-listening devices coming into our lives. If we're going to freak out about a Samsung TV that listens in on our living rooms, we should also be panicking about a number of other emergent gadgets that capture voice and visual data in many of the same ways. .... Samsung's competitor, the LG Smart TV, has basically the same phrase about voice capture in its privacy policy: "Please be aware that if your spoken word includes personal or other sensitive information, such information will be among the Voice Information captured through your use of voice recognition features." It isn't just TVs, Microsoft's xBox Kinect, Amazon Echo, GM's Onstar, Chevrolet's MyLink and PDRs, Google's Waze, and Hello's Sense all have snooping capabilities. Welcome to the world of Stasi Tech.

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  1. Stasi Tech? by Virtucon · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I think that's a pretty harsh term. When used by a repressive regime this technology could be used for doing bad things but if people want voice commands in their lives they have to realize that some of this "snooping" is necessary. Why? Because voice processing and searching on the scale of some of the applications such as SIRI require centralized processing. Therefore your voice commands have to be sent someplace else and processed. Also this kind of technology isn't exactly new and things like Web Cams on laptops aren't immune from even local school districts snooping on students. The point is that the technology is introducing new possible attack vectors on your privacy and allowing not only corporations but even governments to potentially abuse your trust in the devices you use. I'm sure it's happened but I'll bet Apple has been subpoenaed for the SIRI requests from a suspected murderer or drug kingpin much like they'll ask Google for search queries from a suspect. That's why laws must be updated and the public made aware that there's a price to pay for all this ease of use. Oh in respect to LG, LG also says that any media you connect to their device will be potentially scanned including things like file names so start getting rid of those unused sex vids because the Chinese are watching your porn.

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    1. Re:Stasi Tech? by gstoddart · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I think that's a pretty harsh term. When used by a repressive regime this technology could be used for doing bad things

      The problem is that governments have given themselves permission to go in and get any of this data.

      Which means it is pretty much inevitable that these shiny toys really are going to be Stasi Tech .. only people have signed up willingly for it, using terms which can be changed at the whim of the company ... and the governments will just demand the data.

      Sorry, but you really can't sound paranoid enough about just how these technologies are likely to be abused.

      Either from greedy corporations looking to make a buck off you, or governments who demand that same data to spy on you when it would be illegal for them to do it.

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    2. Re:Stasi Tech? by rhysweatherley · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Why? Because voice processing and searching on the scale of some of the applications such as SIRI require centralized processing. Therefore your voice commands have to be sent someplace else and processed.

      At the moment. As the technology improves more and more will be done client side because round-tripping audio is stupid if you could do it locally. If SIRI or something like it was completely local, then there would be no issue. Unfortunately there has been little or no work on practical on-the-spot voice recognition lately because the money is all in spying - be it for surveillance or ads.

      It's not like appliance controls are complicated - there's only a handful of "TV: Change channel to ESPN" or "Kettle: Tea, Earl Grey, Hot" phrases that need to be trained in. But since the business models of operators like Nuance are predicated on licensing access to their huge server farms, no other option is even considered except the one that destroys privacy.

      We need regulation - no server-side processing of client-side controls. If you could do it locally, then you MUST.

  2. Re:Magic by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Magic is how the average person and media assume anything technical works. Computers, cars, elevators, lighting. Hell, even plumbing.

  3. Problem of a tech illiterate population by EMG+at+MU · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I feel that most technically literate people at least knew that this kind of "spying" was technically trivial and obviously monetizable. Any device with some kind of a network connection and a microphone / camera can easily record everything you do and say and send it anywhere it wants. This little company called Google figured out that by collecting more and more information about you they can make huge sums of money by mining and selling that data and now everyone wants in on that game.

    I feel like most comments here will be along the lines of "yeah duh what did you think they were doing with that data", however on less tech focused sites the comments will have the tone of "OMG evil corporations spying on us how is this even legal, hold on let me ask Siri!"

    But that is the problem. The general population has no idea how every time they use a thing like Siri or Kinect, or OnStar they are allowing the respective companies that created those services nearly unlimited access to their microphone or camera. Just like people really don't understand how Facebook monetizes their profile and activities.

    I think until there is general knowledge of the fact that we have entered the era of generating revenue from users through mining and analyzing their activities, preferences, and other data, we can't even have a productive discussion about the limits of these new ways to collect information. Right now it is just fear mongering and attention grabbing headlines.

    Lets get to the point where we can have a rational discourse about the benefits and potential risks of ever present microphones and cameras and develop both moral and legal guidelines to govern their use.

  4. Re:Just because others do it doesn't make it okay by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    But other people may not be so vigilant or aware. You go visit someone at there house and talk politics never noticing th IOT devices that are streaming your conversation from the living room.

  5. Re:Who uses any of that crap anyway? by grimmjeeper · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I don't see too many hipsters driving GM cars.

  6. The internet of crap ... by gstoddart · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I've been saying for years all of these devices which want to be connected to the internet were a privacy and security shitstorm just waiting to happen.

    That it's being shown as true is far from gratifying.

    Corporations don't give a crap about your security or privacy.

    Stop rewarding them with your money for some shiny baubles which are doing nothing but spying on you and monitizing everything you do.

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  7. Re:Who uses any of that crap anyway? by mlts · · Score: 3, Insightful

    GM cars seem to be relatively rare in my neck of the woods. For college students, Kias, Hyundas, VWs and Mazdas have that market, with the Toyota models after that.

    I really don't like GM's ability to disable any vehicle, anywhere. I'm reminded of an Austin dealer which installed devices to disable vehicles if the buyer didn't pay their loan payment... and a disgruntled ex-employee logged on as a valid employee, disabled all vehicles in the system and set them to honk until the batteries went dead. Wasn't a relatively big thing... but if someone did hack GM, the damage they could do with OnStar could be tremendous... for example, if there is a forest fire, hurricane or a disaster causing an evacuation, killing all GM vehicles in that area can turn the disaster into a catastrophe with extreme loss of life, just because the GM cars stalled would prevent movement of everything else.

  8. Re:Just because others do it doesn't make it okay by rogoshen1 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Because someone like McCarthy will never, ever EVER exist in the US at some point in the future.

    What people like you are missing is that the consequence of private enterprise collecting and selling mass personal data is that the government could either get by coercion or buying; data it could not otherwise acquire without a warrant.

    The FBI may need a warrant to wiretap you, but would they need a warrant to 'acquire' the exact same data-set from apple or google?

    That doesn't worry you, at all -- really?

  9. Re:Who uses any of that crap anyway? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    Hipsters and upper middle class snobs. They've already long ago handed over their privacy.

    Jealous much?

    Why would an intelligent person be jealous of a person who tries so desperately hard to be cool ?

    I see these "hipster" douche bags every day, and all I can think of is that some day they are
    going to be embarrassed when they think back on what they used to do. Also it's going to
    cost them money to get all those stupid tattoos removed and to treat the anal sores they got
    while having unprotected sex.

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