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800,000 Using HealthCare.gov Were Sent Incorrect Tax Data
mpicpp sends this report from the NY Times:
About 800,000 taxpayers who enrolled in insurance policies through HealthCare.gov received erroneous tax information from the government, and were urged on Friday to hold off on filing tax returns until the error could be corrected. The Obama administration, under heavy pressure from congressional Democrats, also announced that it would give several million people more time to buy health insurance so they could comply with federal law and avoid tax penalties. The incorrect insurance information is used in computing taxes. Consumers can expect to receive corrected data in the first week of March. With the new data, officials warned, some taxpayers will owe more and some will owe less. Officials said they did not know why the error had occurred.
I'm tired of all this bad news about Obamacare. Could we maybe just all agree not to talk about it any more until there is some good news to report?
See that "Preview" button?
You know, I used to warn people against the Govt being so involved with our healthcare. I likened it to putting the DMV in charge of you if you got the flu. The long wait times, the surly and non-helpful govt employees there staring more at the clock than worried about you getting new plates.
But hell, I will at least admit the DMV does tend to get its mailings out on time and in proper fashion.
I know its a pipe dream, but I wish we could move the govt (especially the Feds) back more to their constitutionally mandated responsibilities. At the very least, my dealing with them could and should pretty much only be once a year.
1. Tell me how much tax to pay (simplify this).
2. Leave me the fuck alone.
I'd be 101% supportive of my federal overlords if they could just get to this point in their interactions with me. I'll be fine on my own to haggle and negotiate for my jobs, and my bill rates. I'l be happy to manage my own health care, and know what is important to save for (retirement, routine health needs, medical insurance for catastrophic needs, etc).
I seriously don't need you to play nanny state with me, I don't need you to suck up so much of my money and waste it.
I don't need you spying on me.
Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.........
I fear this will not end well for those who happened to already file. I have previously dealt directly with the IRS for three filings, two of which were multi-month-long processes. In the worst case, I spent the better part of 13 months corresponding via phone and U.S. Mail regarding an amended return -- they owed me money.
I'm not sure what percentage of filers end up owing taxes versus owed refunds. I imagine the number is fewer, so perhaps less than 400,000 people were even motivated to file early. But for those that were, I could see the amendment process dragging on until 2016.
...when everything is a crime, everyone is a criminal.
They seem to be having some difficulties.
SJW's don't eliminate discrimination. They just expropriate it for themselves.
No one is forcing an insurance company to be involved with your healthcare, idiot. Actually, now they are as a result of Obamacare.
Obama administration, under heavy pressure from congressional Democrats, also announced that it would give several million people more time to buy health insurance so they could comply with federal law and avoid tax penalties.
I really hope the King v. Burwell case goes against the government. The executive branch needs to learn they implement the law congress passes not the one they wish congress passes. If Obama and lefties suddenly are not allowed to continue to make up the rules as they go along maybe the other half of America will realize this law for the ill considered, abusive over reach of authority and corporate give away that it is.
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You are clearly no student of history (like most of the Rand fanboys here on /.) . You have not a clue as to how much better your lot is because of the many things "the government" regulates. No longer can someone sell you "medicine" that is not only ineffective but would stand good chance of hurting or killing you. No longer do a large number of our fellow citizens suffer from food-borne diseases because of shoddy processing and storage practices. And if you think you can negotiate on your own for effective health care coverage, you are clearly ignorant of the realities of that marketplace.
Marketplace insurance is just a private plan with an extra layer of government collusion.
It's a private plan with regulations to keep the price reasonable because it wouldn't be otherwise. Now your ability to get health insurance is not tied to your continued employment. No one should lose health insurance just because they lost a job. Criticize the details all you want but that part of the ACA is unequivocally a Good Thing.
Crony-capitalism at its finest.
Since these insurance companies wouldn't insure millions of people at a reasonable price until the government forced the issue it eludes me how this is "crony capitalism". It's not as if the insurance companies were lobbying in favor of insuring poor people.
The executive branch needs to learn they implement the law congress passes not the one they wish congress passes.
If Congress isn't specific in their statutes then it is to the discretion of the administration how they handle the regulations. Very few laws are passed with enough specificity that the executive branch doesn't have considerable discretion in the interpretation of the statutes.
If Obama and lefties suddenly are not allowed to continue to make up the rules as they go along maybe the other half of America will realize this law for the ill considered, abusive over reach of authority and corporate give away that it is.
You're accusing the left of corporate giveaways? Methinks you have the left and right mixed up. Abusive overreach of authority? I direct your attention to the actions of the previous administration, particularly post 9/11.
Actually I am a student of history and I am not a Rand fanboy but I did like Fountianhead but I also know that it is fiction.
Like most things in life it is all a matter or degree.
The goal of government is to put in just enough regulation to keep a free competitive marketplace that works but so much regulation that it makes doing business a nightmare.
For example why is crap like Airborne "cold medicine" allowed to be for sale when the label says it does nothing. On the flipside when one of the military services wanted to buy a piece of software I worked on the "bid" came in a 50 pound box.
See my blog http://ilovecookes.blogspot.com/ for light hearted technical information.
The reality of healthcare politics is that a majority have and still do want some kind of gov't managed insurance to pool risk. Only about 1/4 want to go back to the way things were before ACA (link below).
IF a political entity rants to change or repeal it, they need to first specify in detail what to replace it with or change.
Every known non-trivial change will sock it to one group of people in order to benefit another, and thus wouldn't be an easy sell.
Griping is easy; presenting viable alternatives is not.
And each state CAN run it's own exchange site if it doesn't like the federal one.
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Table-ized A.I.
The average person can't manage their own healthcare. The do so at the detriment of all others. It costs more to not have people on insurance. Ideally, we'd have a national insurance that covered everyone via taxes, but we have a hybrid system. The biggest issues with ideals is that they're not always practical.
No matter what, we benefit by having more people with quality insurance. Just with the number of reduced trips to the ER for preventable issues, it will pay itself back in spades. Trips to the ER are magnitudes more expensive than going to the doctor for a scheduled appointment.
the other big issue is that people are worth more than they get paid. A person making $40k/year may be worth over $100k/year to the economy as a whole. If people got paid what their actual value was, there wouldn't be an issue in the first place.
Seattle hasn't had a Republican mayor for about 80 years. The city council is all Democrats except for the one socialist.
If you don't like the government there - surprise you don't actually like Democrats, regardless of what your govrrnment-school teacher told you.
so you want people to live shorter more painful lives and the system to cost 10-100x more than countries that handle healthcare responsibly
the simple truth is healthcare and healthcare insurance is not voluntary. it's mandatory
because you can spout eloquently all you want about independence and freedom, but you don't understand the subject matter. when you break your arm, you're not shaking it off and going on with your life, you're going to the hospital
and we're not refusing you if you can't pay, because we're not sociopaths
and when you can't pay your bill you're shafting us
being an irresponsible freeloader is the actual real life effect of your uneducated "ideology", not real freedom
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
You know, I used to warn people against the Govt being so involved with our healthcare. I likened it to putting the DMV in charge of you if you got the flu. The long wait times, the surly and non-helpful govt employees there staring more at the clock than worried about you getting new plates.
But hell, I will at least admit the DMV does tend to get its mailings out on time and in proper fashion.
I know its a pipe dream, but I wish we could move the govt (especially the Feds) back more to their constitutionally mandated responsibilities. At the very least, my dealing with them could and should pretty much only be once a year.
1. Tell me how much tax to pay (simplify this).
2. Leave me the fuck alone.
I'd be 101% supportive of my federal overlords if they could just get to this point in their interactions with me. I'll be fine on my own to haggle and negotiate for my jobs, and my bill rates. I'l be happy to manage my own health care, and know what is important to save for (retirement, routine health needs, medical insurance for catastrophic needs, etc).
I seriously don't need you to play nanny state with me, I don't need you to suck up so much of my money and waste it.
I don't need you spying on me.
I live in Quebec Canada and I love our system. It is one reason I would never relocate to the USA. My health care costs me about $100/mo each for my wife and I. My daughter and her husband pay about three thousand in taxes for the two of them and their three kids. And we have a drug plan too. I could go private or public, and chose public. Our plan will never bankrupt me or require me to choose between drugs or food.
Drugs
It costs me about $15/mo each for my wife and I plus I get my prescribed drugs at 20% of cost. I can elect to chose generics, if they are available and I do so because it saves me some money. And we have a ceiling on what our drug expenses are, before our copay pay becomes zero.
My daugher has MS and her drugs are $30,000 per year (not a typo, 30k). Her out of pocket drug cost is the rate / month with $2k per year ceiling, for life.
Our doctor visits are free, as are prescribed mri scans, xrays, hospital stays. In other words, medicare (single payer system) works.
We include free ambulance service. And no, unlike the negative antagonistic thinking against affordiable care, people in Canada do not abuse either the medicare, drug plan or ambulance services.
Dentistry is excluded for children under the age of 8, as are eye exams. Free eye exams and some lenses for seniors who are 65+.
I will be needing hearing aids within 5 years. Some of my older friends have pacemakers. I believe I have an allowance of $2k for hearing aids. Re pacemakers, the doctor chooses from a list of pacemakers. It and the installation costs the patient a big zero. Included in our public insurance are things like wheel chairs, installation of in-home stair elevators (for those whose bedrooms are on a second floor, and other things that would allow an person/couple to remain autonomous.)
By the way, more or less the same plan is provided in Europe, Russia, Australia, Mexico, Cuba, Israel, and other places. I know not about your medicaid. Is it similar?
Lets hope your opting out is worth it. With the rapid changes in technology today and in the future, there is not guarantee you will have a steady job after age 55. There is no guarantee your employer will provide a comprehensive a medical plan if your enrolment in the government plan will cost less for the business. Your life expectancy is today, beyond age 80.
Leslie Satenstein Montreal Quebec Canada