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Only Twice Have Nations Banned a Weapon Before It Was Used; They May Do It Again

Lasrick writes: Seth Baum reports on international efforts to ban 'killer robots' before they are used. China, Israel, Russia, the United Kingdom, and the United States are apparently developing precursor technology. "Fully autonomous weapons are not unambiguously bad. They can reduce burdens on soldiers. Already, military robots are saving many service members' lives, for example by neutralizing improvised explosive devices in Afghanistan and Iraq. The more capabilities military robots have, the more they can keep soldiers from harm. They may also be able to complete missions that soldiers and non-autonomous weapons cannot." But Baum, who founded the Global Catastrophic Risk Institute, goes on to outline the potential downsides, and there are quite a few.

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  1. Let me be the first... by taiwanjohn · · Score: 5, Funny

    To welcome our new Killer Robot overlords.

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  2. You are free to have killer robots by OrangeTide · · Score: 5, Insightful

    When you are able to keep hackers from defacing your national websites.

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    1. Re:You are free to have killer robots by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This is probably why 'they' would want it banned

      "They" don't want it banned. The people pushing the ban are some fringe NGOs, not people with actual power. "They" (the people with power) are developing killer-bots are quickly as they can.

      Even if a ban was a good idea in principle (I am not sure it is), I don't see how it could possibly be enforced. Building a killer droid doesn't require any special technology that non-killer droids don't also use.

    2. Re:You are free to have killer robots by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I personally think Killer Robot's might be better in the field than some dumb jock with a trigger happy finger, and I don't just lump the US into this category,

      You miss the point. In war you are supposed to spill, and more importantly shed, blood for your country. A bloodless war where only the "enemy" die makes war cheap so the solution to every problem becomes war. You bought weapons from Russia? War. You won't allow us to set up a military base? War. You raised the price of coffee beans by 5c? War. You won't sign our copyright enforcement treaty that we're shoving down your throat? War.

      It is in everyone's best interest that war remain expensive otherwise diplomacy becomes unnecessary and we get to enjoy the New World Order where whoever has the most killer robots controls the entire fucking world on a whim.

      The other applications are only going to get worse. The police are also already rather militarized, I look forward to SWAT being replaced with robots. We can have "non-lethal" security robots everywhere; remember, Big Brother is watching citizen, you are "safe" here.

  3. The banned weapons by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    "In 1868, the Great Powers agreed under the Saint Petersburg Declaration to ban exploding bullets, which by spreading metal fragments inside a victim’s body could cause more suffering than the regular kind. And the 1995 Protocol on Blinding Laser Weapons now has 104 signatories, who have agreed to ban the weapons on the grounds that they could cause excessive suffering to soldiers in the form of permanent blindness."

    Enjoy :)

    1. Re:The banned weapons by Shakrai · · Score: 5, Insightful

      In 1868, the Great Powers agreed under the Saint Petersburg Declaration to ban exploding bullets, which by spreading metal fragments inside a victim’s body could cause more suffering than the regular kind

      Which sounds awesome on paper but is completely meaningless in the real world. NATO's standard rifle cartridge relies on tumbling and fragmentation for its terminal effects. I'm not certain why it matters if a bullet fragments because of a small explosive charge or because of the design of the projectile; the end result is the same.

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  4. Drop your weapon... by Holistic+Missile · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...You have 20 seconds to comply.

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  5. Re:Dazzlers by brainboyz · · Score: 5, Insightful

    6m is not the intended distance of deployment. At longer distances it does not blind, but instead causes the headaches, dizziness, and nausea it was designed for. Thus, it is not a blinding weapon but a visual deterrent.

  6. Re:Dazzlers by Baloroth · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm missing something here - is it OK if it blinds soldiers so long as the *intent* is not to blind soldiers?

    Yes? Obviously? I mean, a pistol fired right next to the face can blind you as well (or deafen you if fired next to the ear, possibly permanently). That's not banned, because the point of the pistol is to kill people with bullets, not cripple them. In fact, virtually any weapon (and most tools, such as tanks, planes, etc.) can cause all kinds of debilitating damage if used in the wrong way or if someone ends up in the wrong situation, even if they're not designed to do that. Hell, a pair of binoculars can cause permanent blindness if you look at the sun through them. Can cause blindness isn't a good reason to ban anything.

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  7. Re:Not unambiguously bad by Gavrielkay · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There was an episode of ST:TOS on this point. Two planets had warring factions and they had managed to reduce it to basically a computer program that simulated attacks and decided who was killed by them. Those people were then supposed to show up to a center to be exterminated. The problem of course was that since there weren't all the hardships of war... famine, disease, destruction etc... it had gone on for ages. Kirk's solution of course was to destroy the computer so they'd either have to fight the old fashioned messy way or actually settle their differences.

    Like many of those episodes I think it really did touch on the realities of the human mind. If war becomes too detached, too clean and simple then we will put much less effort into diplomacy. I'm not a pacifist, but I do think war should be a last option. And it should be messy and painful so that we'll try to find ways to end it.