Slashdot Mirror


Intel Updates NUC Mini PC Line With Broadwell-U, Tested and Benchmarked

MojoKid writes Intel recently released its latest generation of NUC small form factor systems, based on the company's new low-power Broadwell-U series processors. The primary advantages of Intel's 5th Generation Core Series Broadwell-U-based processors are better performance-per-watt, stronger integrated graphics, and a smaller footprint, all things that are perfectly suited to the company's NUC (Next Unit of Computing) products. The Intel NUC5i5RYK packs a Core i5-5250U processor with on-die Intel HD 6000 series graphics. The system also sports built-in 802.11ac Wi-Fi, Gigabit Ethernet, USB 3.0 and USB 2.0, M.2 SSD support, and a host of other features, all in a 115mm x 111mm x 32.7mm enclosure. Performance-wise the new 5th Gen Core Series-powered NUC benchmarks like a midrange notebook and is actually up for a bit of light-duty gaming, though it's probably more at home as a Home Theater PC, media streamer or kiosk desktop machine.

60 comments

  1. Gigabyte Brix Pro is still the mini-PC champ by PeeAitchPee · · Score: 1

    That i7-4770R and 4K-capable onboard Intel Iris Pro 5200 is hard to beat in this form factor (if you can handle the hurricane fan noise). They were available around $400 at Black Friday. This new NUC is a nice small form factor, but kinda pricey for the performance.

    1. Re:Gigabyte Brix Pro is still the mini-PC champ by SeaFox · · Score: 1

      While the width/depth of the NUC/Brix machines are great, I'd rather they make one with more vertical volume -- to allow for a larger and much quieter cooling solution. Like a cube form factor that's still smaller than a CoolerMaster Elite 110 case.

    2. Re:Gigabyte Brix Pro is still the mini-PC champ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You lost me at i7, noise is a killer in any PC setup, in a setup with a tiiiiny case with no real sound insulation - just throw it in the bin.

      Realistically these things should be passively cooled, just like most the Shuttle's - though I'll admit the Brix seems nice enough though, the fan is typically on it's lowest setting - if it does increase RPM, it's for a few seconds at most. Barely audible, but still not something you'd want anywhere near your desk.

    3. Re:Gigabyte Brix Pro is still the mini-PC champ by binarylarry · · Score: 1

      I love my brix but it sounds like maverick is dueling iceman after a few minutes.

      --
      Mod me down, my New Earth Global Warmingist friends!
    4. Re:Gigabyte Brix Pro is still the mini-PC champ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who the hell buys this stuff?

      - Tinkerer's, the kind of people who build robots
      - Advertisers who need a "dumb" box somewhere to control some screens
      - Some micro-server environments
      - And in some cases even the "home theater pc"

      These however do not belong on the desktop. They are weak and underpowered to do anything that people would expect to be able to do (eg surf the web, given how much ad-laden crap is on the typical website now) and many software that didn't use GPU's, now do, like web browsers, photoshop and video editing.

      Don't even think of games.

    5. Re:Gigabyte Brix Pro is still the mini-PC champ by Sudline · · Score: 2

      I have an intel NUC i5 and with an SSD+HD, 8 GB memory, Windows 7, it is a perfect and very fast computer for the desktop.

    6. Re:Gigabyte Brix Pro is still the mini-PC champ by binarylarry · · Score: 1

      The brix has a high end core i7 and a fairly powerful GPU (Iris Pro).

      You can do pretty much anything with them.

      --
      Mod me down, my New Earth Global Warmingist friends!
    7. Re:Gigabyte Brix Pro is still the mini-PC champ by Thumper_SVX · · Score: 1

      I've had a NUC for a couple of years now as a media PC in my entertainment center. It's actually really bloody good and there is zero fan noise. Well, the fan noise is inaudible over the ceiling fan I also have in my living room. Even under incredibly heavy load I've never heard the fan rise above a very quiet whine, and honestly media decoding is NOT heavy load.

      My particular one is an i3-3217U based machine with a 128GB MSATA SSD. Yeah, I'm a geek traitor in that I run Windows 8 on it, but mostly so I can play all my XBox Video movies and TV shows that I own as well as Netflix et al. Turn it on, boots in about 5 seconds and runs great. Not that I have to boot it often, mostly when I update it. Yeah, the SSD is small, but I have a ~12TB Linux server that shares out some of the drive space... that's where the movies go :)

    8. Re:Gigabyte Brix Pro is still the mini-PC champ by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      but for the money of nucs, you can get something hat has the screen and keyboard included.

      --
      world was created 5 seconds before this post as it is.
  2. Media streamer? by Enry · · Score: 2

    The first generation Raspberry Pi did SD pretty well and could do HD with a few caveats. The RPi 2 has even more CPU and memory and does quite well with the HD movies I've thrown at it. And it's 1/10 the price of the Intel offering.

    1. Re:Media streamer? by jedidiah · · Score: 5, Insightful

      While the NUCs are overkill for HTPC duty, the PIs are also not sufficiently there either. A PI just has problems keeping up with the user interface (XBMC).

      Something like a Chromebox is the sweet spot. Decent enough GPU for video decoding and a CPU that's not ridiculously anemic.

      --
      A Pirate and a Puritan look the same on a balance sheet.
    2. Re:Media streamer? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the rpi-2 still doesn't bitstream HD audio, which is a deal-breaker for many. It also isn't 4K-capable, so not really the same target market

    3. Re:Media streamer? by SeaFox · · Score: 4, Insightful

      While the NUCs are overkill for HTPC duty, the PIs are also not sufficiently there either. A PI just has problems keeping up with the user interface (XBMC).

      No, I don't think a NUC is overkill for HTPC. The only reason a Rpi works for HD is because of hardware acceleration for video playback. But throw it a file in a format that doesn't meet the qualifications for acceleration and pbbbbbt! So, no 10-bit h264 or HEVC, let alone if you want to do rendering of subtitles, filtering, or chroma upscaling to improve the picture quality of normal 4:2:0 video.

    4. Re:Media streamer? by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

      While the NUCs are overkill for HTPC duty, the PIs are also not sufficiently there either. A PI just has problems keeping up with the user interface (XBMC).

      That's not a Pi problem.

      Because the Pi's CPU is designed as a set top box processor - the ARM for the UI and networking, while the VideoCore IV does the heavy lifting.

      In fact, the Pi's CPU is used in set top boxes right now - I believe if you go to your favorite electronics retailer (online or off), pick up a Roku 2. The same CPU powering the Pi powers that. (Same amount of RAM, too I believe, and Ethernet.).

    5. Re:Media streamer? by jtownatpunk.net · · Score: 1

      The rpi-2 is also under $50 delivered with a case. Even more not the same target market. That's my "I'll buy one just to play with it for a few days" threshold. I installed OpenELEC and it seems to do fine with my 1080 material. Tho I still find it quicker to just play content off my laptop. Only real gripe I have so far is the move to MicroSD. Full size SD cards are cheaper and there was plenty of room on the old board. I don't see the advantage of moving to the smaller, more expensive format. Especially when the big selling point is the low cost of the board.

    6. Re:Media streamer? by Enry · · Score: 2

      That's the fault of the processor and not the GPU. People care more about the actual playback performance more than the UI (which could be done via a tablet or laptop anyway). Anyway, the faster performance of the RPi 2 makes this a bit of a moot point.

    7. Re:Media streamer? by Technician · · Score: 1

      When you look at developers, the lower price points for the Pi has produced some excellent applications. After seeing the Pi put to use to run an entire animated Christmas Light Show, I bought a Pi B+.

      Sometimes your purchase decisions are based on finding the application you want to run and then buying the hardware that will run it.

      If you are into synchronized Christmas light displays on a budget, you can't beat a mix of Vixen, X Lights/Nutcracker for content creation and loaded on a Raspberry for scheduling and playback.

      My setup is using addressable LED pixel strings, Falcon Pi Player on a Raspberry, connected to a DYILEDExpress DMX Bridge using e1.31 protocol. The entire control hardware is under $150 in hardware. Only major expense is buying LED lights which scales with your display size.

      For more info view the link below for technical details on the show that has me planning next year's show.
      View an excellent example of a Pi running a Christmas show. http://johnsonlightshow.com/

      --
      The truth shall set you free!
    8. Re:Media streamer? by viperidaenz · · Score: 2

      Unless your source video isn't supported by the hardware decoder. Or the audio stream isn't supported by the hardware decoder.
      I suppose you could transcode it, but that would take a day on the quad-core ARMv7 CPU. A week on the original Raspberry Pi's ARMv6 CPU.

    9. Re:Media streamer? by tepples · · Score: 1

      the Pi's CPU is designed as a set top box processor - the ARM for the UI and networking, while the VideoCore IV does the heavy lifting.

      Is the VideoCore IV only for H.264, or can it also do VP8, H.265, and VP9?

    10. Re:Media streamer? by Enry · · Score: 1

      Fortunately I have a Beowulf of RPis to cut that time down.

      Seriously though, I've been using h.264 MKV files for a number of years even before I owned a RPi and I've never had a problem playing videos aside from slight delays on high bitrate BluRay files.

    11. Re:Media streamer? by SeaFox · · Score: 1

      In fact, the Pi's CPU is used in set top boxes right now - I believe if you go to your favorite electronics retailer (online or off), pick up a Roku 2. The same CPU powering the Pi powers that. (Same amount of RAM, too I believe, and Ethernet.).

      Roku 2 doesn't have Ethernet.
      Only the Roku 3 does from the current generation, and it has a more powerful processor.

    12. Re:Media streamer? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Some Roku2 models have ethernet. ( roku2-XS, but there may be others )

    13. Re:Media streamer? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The Pi 2 is a lot closer.

      But for the same price ($35) you can get an oDroid-C1 running Linux. XBMC and X use about 75% of one core in UI operations (oddly, this is worse than decoding video). It's a quad core machine.

    14. Re:Media streamer? by nadaou · · Score: 2

      The brand new RPi 2 boards are quad core 900 MHz and can easily keep up. The original single core 700 MHz Pi boards could just get away with XBMC, but it wasn't all that pleasant.

      The GPUs on both versions were designed and built for this task (they were originally out of set-top boxes) and have no problem at all with HD video.

      --
      ~.~
      I'm a peripheral visionary.
    15. Re:Media streamer? by jones_supa · · Score: 1

      If you are into synchronized Christmas light displays on a budget, you can't beat a mix of Vixen, X Lights/Nutcracker for content creation and loaded on a Raspberry for scheduling and playback.

      That sounds pretty cool. What are these softwares and what's the workflow?

    16. Re:Media streamer? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      With the Pi 2, it's not a problem anymore if the audio stream isn't supported in hardware. Admittedly, that was a problem on the original Pi but the new BCM2826 is powerful enough -- easily.

      Personally, I use an Amazon Fire TV running Kodi. Thus far, it has handled everything I've thrown at it. Sure, its integrated Snapdragon 600 isn't powerful enough to decode H.265 on the CPU. But, by the time I need that functionality, I imagine there's will be another box priced at 100 bucks around which does the job just fine. At that point I retire the Fire TV as a video streamer, it will still be powerful enough for a bunch of other taks (so I don't see an environmental problem in upgrading my media streamer every 2-3 years).

    17. Re:Media streamer? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The first generation Raspberry Pi did SD pretty well and could do HD with a few caveats. The RPi 2 has even more CPU and memory and does quite well with the HD movies I've thrown at it. And it's 1/10 the price of the Intel offering.

      Can you be more specific about the "HD movies" -- 1080p? H264? H265?

    18. Re:Media streamer? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The brand new RPi 2 boards are quad core 900 MHz and can easily keep up. The original single core 700 MHz Pi boards could just get away with XBMC, but it wasn't all that pleasant.

      The GPUs on both versions were designed and built for this task (they were originally out of set-top boxes) and have no problem at all with HD video.

      What spec of "HD video" are you referring to? Full 1080P in any format?

    19. Re:Media streamer? by viperidaenz · · Score: 1

      Until sickrage downloads your latest TV show in WMV format and you don't notice until your media player throws a spaz because it doesn't support the codec.

      Not that I download TV shows. That's illegal.

    20. Re:Media streamer? by Technician · · Score: 1

      Info can be found on Falcon Christmas regarding the Falcon Pi Player.

      Workflow is not bad. Use Vixen to create a sequence in time to a song. Normally this is the end as you can play the sequence and music and output to the lights and FM transmitter. This has two issues. Nobody wants to leave the laptop outside to run the show, or run very long cables from the show computer to the display. Besides it ties up the laptop.

      Once you have a sequence saved, it can be imported to Xlights/Nutcracker. You can add Nutcracker effects if desired. It has some neat effects for a mega tree pixel matrix. The sequence is then exported in a format compatible with Falcon Pi Player.

      Falcon Pi Player has a web interface. Link with Ethernet using wire or wired. Who cares? Either works. Upload the music and sequences to the player. Set the clock or let it use NTP on the web. Either works. Raspberry Pi does not come with a real time clock, so clock setting is required to schedule shows. Schedule your shows (playlists) and the Falcon Pi Player will run the entire show on schedule. Output to control the lights can use any of several compatible interfaces including a DMX Dongle such as an Open DMX USB, or equivilant, or for larger shows spanning many universes of DMX and driving LED Pixels, one of the SansDevices E1.31 interfaces or the DIYLEDExpress E1.31 bridge work great. SanDevices are compatible with more varieties of LED pixes and DMX. Input is Artnet or E1.31. DIYLED Express outputs only two popular LED formats and DMX and only does E1.31 input. I use the DIYLEDExpress bridge to drive a mix of LED's using WS2811 chips (very popular) and DMX devices. Falcon Pi Player does not do Artnet, so Artnet on the SanDevices items are only useful if you want to use FreeStyler and output Artnet. Freestyler does not output E1.31 yet, so that software package is incompatible with the DMX Bridge from DIYLEDExpress.

      Hope this helps.

      --
      The truth shall set you free!
  3. Discreet graphics or... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    GTFO

  4. Nice for a RV mini-NAS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Add a 12v [1] to 19v DC-DC converter, and this would make a decent HTPC and mini-NAS [2] for a RV. The fact that it has no moving parts, other than a fan, make it decently resistant to vibration, and also allow it to be hidden, so a smash and grab tweaker goes for the LCD television, but that's it.

    [1]: Battery voltage tends to vary between 10-17 volts, so this is assuming the DC-DC converter has some decent regulation.

    [2]: Even though it isn't optimal, adding SSDs through the USB 3.0 ports can be doable for more storage and RAID. The reason SSDs are used is due to vibration and shock in a RV.

    1. Re:Nice for a RV mini-NAS by jtownatpunk.net · · Score: 1

      My RV's storage array was 32tb. Went over 11,000 miles without a hitch. (Not powered up while I was driving, of course.) As for a DC-DC converter, there are universal 12v DC laptop power supplies with a bundle of tips. There's probably one that will match this device.

    2. Re:Nice for a RV mini-NAS by ChunderDownunder · · Score: 1

      Just on the DC thing, I've been wondering how long those hybrid solar/AC external batteries hold a charge. Not the 5v micro-USB ones for phones but the $150 ones that have 12-19v DC out and 30000mAh capacity.

      If the battery half life was decent, one could conceivably use that bushwalking - strap it onto one's rucksack by day. One could conceivably power a NUC and an LED screen.

      Though hey there are tablets for such things but it'd be an interesting thought experiment.

  5. Tiny enclosure with a fan? No thanks. by PhrostyMcByte · · Score: 3, Informative

    I'm excited to nab a Shuttle DS57U. The package is larger but still very small, VESA mountable, Broadwell-powered, and is fanless so you don't need to worry about dust or noise.

    1. Re:Tiny enclosure with a fan? No thanks. by fnj · · Score: 1

      That Shuttle is not small by ANY definition. It is GIGANTIC. 20x16.5cm compared to 11.5x11.1cm. That's the price for passive cooling.

    2. Re:Tiny enclosure with a fan? No thanks. by ChunderDownunder · · Score: 1
      Confession: I have shuttle envy. I wanted a fanless machine for home but couldn't justify the cost.

      For about a third of the price of your shuttle, I bought the fanless Atom NUC. It's no workhorse but good for basic computing such as slashdot commenting! When I have some free time I'll load openelec and android-x86 on it.

      It'd be perfect if Intel added a few extra cores - for 75% more I could have bought the dual core Celeron Brix (also fanless).

      I'll definitely look at trading up to the forthcoming Braswell Brix or NUC. The Atom should have reasonable resale value and in the next 6 months I will have saved $AU40 on my power bills!

      But yeah I'd be a big fan (pun intended) of a Shuttle at work in preference to a noisy beige tower or a laptop.

    3. Re:Tiny enclosure with a fan? No thanks. by tepples · · Score: 1

      20x16.5 cm is still smaller than my Super Nintendo, which is about 20x22 cm. It's not XBOX HUEG or anything.

  6. Mojokid must work for hothardware? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    More shit articles from a behind the times hardware site. Is this just mojokid spamming these articles or is Slashdot somehow linked to hothardware? can't understand why else we would be posting articles from this site which publishes reviews weeks or sometimes months after every reputable site has already done it and then it somehow becomes news here.

    1. Re:Mojokid must work for hothardware? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yep, that has been noted many times. MojoKid simply seems to work for HotHardware and Slashdot publishes his posts because they are actually quite good hardware articles. There isn't always that many other HW articles in the submissions pool.

  7. Re:nobody wants U by ChunderDownunder · · Score: 2

    you raise a good point but the NUC isn't a *desktop*. It's a small x86-64 box, not much bigger than a vhs cassette, that screws into the back of a monitor.

    This is designed for large corporates with lots of cubicle monkeys for whom performance of those Core 2 Duos from 7 years ago was sufficient but they want to save a heap of money on electricity bills. These will be popular when adopting Windows 10. XP --> 10, HDD --> SSD and with better integrated graphics. Did I mention the energy savings?

    Relax, you can still buy a performance smashing i7 residing in an enormous watercooled tower if you wish.

  8. if it has a fan, you are doing it wrong by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 4, Interesting

    a nice fanless i7 (haswell) build, with the magic being a heatpipe heatsink case and a 45w i7 chip:

    https://farm8.staticflickr.com...

    search for streacom fc8 as the case. then, stay under 65w (to be safe) and you can be fully fanless.

    for htpc use, there is NO reason to ever have a fan, again. even the i3 has a 35w chip that works just fine for movies and desktop stuff.

    --

    --
    "It is now safe to switch off your computer."
    1. Re:if it has a fan, you are doing it wrong by adolf · · Score: 1

      search for streacom fc8 as the case. then, stay under 65w (to be safe) and you can be fully fanless.

      for htpc use, there is NO reason to ever have a fan, again. even the i3 has a 35w chip that works just fine for movies and desktop stuff.

      At $190 for the case alone, I can think of at least a hundred reasons not to build a fanless box.

    2. Re:if it has a fan, you are doing it wrong by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 0

      a nice fanless i7 (haswell) build, with the magic being a heatpipe heatsink case and a 45w i7 chip:

      heat pipes, that's cute. i rather stick to ARM chips and save money on both processor and cooling. ;)

      --
      Anons need not reply. Questions end with a question mark.
    3. Re:if it has a fan, you are doing it wrong by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 0

      search for streacom fc8 as the case. then, stay under 65w (to be safe) and you can be fully fanless.

      for htpc use, there is NO reason to ever have a fan, again. even the i3 has a 35w chip that works just fine for movies and desktop stuff.

      At $190 for the case alone, I can think of at least a hundred reasons not to build a fanless box.

      i can think of at least 190 reasons to use ARM over x86. ;)

      --
      Anons need not reply. Questions end with a question mark.
    4. Re:if it has a fan, you are doing it wrong by adolf · · Score: 1

      ARM enclosures are free-as-in-beer?

    5. Re:if it has a fan, you are doing it wrong by Kjella · · Score: 1

      Built one almost like it, but with a 35W Core i7 4765T. It's not exactly a cheap machine though, for a HTPC it's way overkill. You can get a lot cheaper to play 1080p BluRays and probably won't be enough when 4K BluRay arrives, 3840x2160x60fps 10-bit HEVC decoding will need new, dedicated chips.

      --
      Live today, because you never know what tomorrow brings
    6. Re:if it has a fan, you are doing it wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      a nice fanless i7 (haswell) build, with the magic being a heatpipe heatsink case and a 45w i7 chip:

      heat pipes, that's cute. i rather stick to ARM chips and save money on both processor and cooling. ;)

      Cool, any links on suitable ARM based boxes for a 4K video HTPC/media center solution (as the parent referenced this was for)?

    7. Re:if it has a fan, you are doing it wrong by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 1

      that's not a lot of money. you get to use the case again and again, as long as you keep with a mini-itx format, you can upgrade for years and still use the same case. to me, there's value in that.

      plus, silence is golden ;) if you have never used a 100% silent pc, you have no idea what you are missing. even the smallest whirring fan can be heard in a quiet room.

      recently, I was cleaning up my garage and I found all the pci cards (etc) that I bought over the years. I found my first 'high end' pci card, an s3-968 4meg video card that I paid over $400 for, nearly 20 years ago. we forget that computers used to cost a LOT! now, they are mostly dirt cheap. $200 for a case that will let me watch movies and listen to music in full peace and quiet is easily worth 'half of that video card' that I bought so many years ago.

      even going back just 10 years, the famous lian li cases were well over $100 for the aluminum mid tower and that did not include the $50-$100 you'd pay for a good psu.

      today, on that fanless system, the psu fits inside the atx power socket and is just a small board (pico-psu) and those can be gotton for under $50.

      gig-e: onboard. video: onboard. disk i/o: onboard. sound: onboard. just need a mobo, disk, mem and cpu.

      when I look back at where we've been the past 20 or so years, I really don't mind the very low prices we now pay for very fast computer hardware. the case is on the pricey side, but its not outrageous, really, and there is solid value in removing all noise from the computer.

      --

      --
      "It is now safe to switch off your computer."
    8. Re:if it has a fan, you are doing it wrong by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 1

      I was surprised to find out that the video system on the i7 (not sure about i3) can run at full 1920 @120hz! when I connected a brand new vizio (39" iirc), I saw both the win7 panel and the display menus say it was syncing at 120hz.

      that's way beyond what blueray can do. in fact, hdmi is not really spec'd for 1920@120hz unless you use dual link cables (or a single hdmi 1.4 cable). BD players don't yet support this, I don't think.

      besides, I boycott bd. I hate sony, I will avoid giving them any money if I can avoid it and I get my content online in 'easy' mp4 and mkv format. the quality of modern rips at 120hz playback is quite impressive and unexpected for me since I was not sure the 120hz was real (lower end vizios use a backlight faking scheme to get 120 but mid end versions are actual 120hz refresh, no faking at all).

      --

      --
      "It is now safe to switch off your computer."
    9. Re:if it has a fan, you are doing it wrong by adolf · · Score: 1

      Thank you for the well-reasoned reply.

      I, too, remember the dark old days of PC computing...of swap meets and hamfests and "computer shows" to find deals, and toiling through the back pages of Computer Shopper to try to find a vendor who seemed worthwhile and wasn't ripping people off. Of trolling the local electronics surplus store, hoping to find a 5-pin DIN male-to-female non-coiled cable.

      Where a Tseng ET4000 outperformed others because it was better at bus throughput, when it really, really mattered. Of setting IRQs, and learning the pitfalls (and successes!) of how to share them on an ISA bus.

      I remember a $1900.00 10MHz XT with a CGA monitor, dual low-density floppies, a 20MB ST-225 hard drive, and a Star NX-20 9-pin monochrome tractor-fed printer. Of 8250s vs. 16450s vs. 16550s. Of the RTC in this machine being a separate card with a battery, and requiring a program that ran in autoexec. Of wondering if an NEC V10 CPU was a pin-compatible replacement for my i8088, but never having been able to get my hands on one. And of having printed, bound manuals for every. last. bit. of. hardware, included.

      But I digress, which I suppose is easy enough to do. Let's get on with that case:

      The good:

      It looks solid. Like there's plenty of aluminum there. Like it would fit in nicely next to the exquisitely-machined billet that comprises my $8k Krell CD player (which was an unexpected gift, so don't think that owning a Krell piece means that I'm spendy).

      From pictures, if it were oriented like a desktop tower, the heatsink at the top looks to be excellent for dissipating heat without forced-air cooling (lots of gaps for airflow) and heavy enough to conduct that heat to the furthest reaches. The back plate looks plenty thick enough to do much of the same tricks, which is good because that's where voltage regulators seem to like to hang out on motherboards -- radiating their own heat.

      The heatpipes themselves look like overkill, which is not a bad thing in the slightest. It's exactly the right size for a mini-ITX motherboard, an SSD (or certainly mSATA), and (presumably) an optical drive. IR support looks like an option from the OEM.

      The box, to be clear, is nice. From these high-points, it would make an excellent box for an HTPC, or a small home-oriented desktop that doesn't ever see modern 3D gaming.

      The bad:

      Obviously, it's $190. Even in the dark old ages of computing, I was spending no more than $80 on a case...and usually closer to $30 (which was worth more then, than it is now).

      The concept of the Pico-PSU scares me. Here I am trying to find the best, quietest, and most-efficient Seasonic PSUs for my builds for general reliability, and this thing wants a ratty $40 buck converter fed from a sealed-up Chinese wall-wart. (Of course I could put a quality 12V supply there instead of a wall-wart, but that's got its own issues.) I don't want to be surprised to understand what failure-modes can be encountered with a Pico-PSU.

      The future. You espouse that this thing, being mini-ITX, is going to be useful in the future for all of its benefits. I disagree: It's a one-trick pony. HTPC requirements are slowly creeping up (with 4k and all), but power dissipation is dropping like a stone down an open well. By the time such a build needs upgraded, we'll probably be back to passive, CPU-mounted OEM heatsinks like in the 486 days (think Cyrix's 486DX2/66 clone).

      Further, the mini-ITX format is due to be eliminated RSN, according to my crystal ball, with modern SoC's and ridiculously low-powered RAM: We just won't need it anymore. How much room do we need for a CPU/APU with graphics, a couple of SO-DIMM slots, a few SATA connectors, some outboard IO, and mSATA (or whatever) for local storage? ITX is huge.

      I've built silent PCs. For a long time, I had a K6-2 350 with a huge and open heatsink, running passive, in a gutted (but tall, for chimney effect) box with no removable storage, and a CF card to run Windows XP instead

  9. Cubes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A Japanese company is the only one in the Intel's ecosystem brochure making small cube style cases for NUCs. Perhaps a cube NUC with a larger, silent fan would allow that 24/7 full load workload I'd like to submit it to. Lenovo have those stackable extension modules for laptops for storage and other uses. Perhaps a similar storage extension could be developed for the NUCs once they get some more serial port bandwidth with usb3.1 or thunderbolt.

  10. ECS LIVA by redelm · · Score: 3, Informative

    I looked at these NUC, but happily settled on the ECS LIVA. It doesn't have SATA, but the USB3 works and the internal 32 SSD is fast enough. Alot less $$$.

    I run mine caseless, and it is really like a x86_64 RPi (even the RPi2 is not fast enough to run even chrome).

  11. Re:nobody wants U by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeah, you make absolutely no sense. They have what they call "product segmentation". These low-power chips are for different purposes than the normal desktop chips. Maybe you missed out on the part about what NUC is - and is not.

  12. 2D vs 3D decoding by aNonnyMouseCowered · · Score: 1

    I think you're confusing two things. While in PC-land the GPU may (or may not) be involved in video decoding (stuff like Intel's VAAPI or nVidia's VDPAU), in ARM SoC-land, the GPU is quite often another beast from the part of the chip that decodes the video. The GPU, of course, is involved in rendering all those 3D Android games you play. But for showing stuff like so-called H265 video, an Android settop box would rely on a custom hardware video decoder separate from the GPU. This is quite similar to the way some PC chips have built in AES support.

    This makes sense even if I'm to lazy to include links to back up my post. Everybody knows how GPU's are used for 3D games and those horrid wobbly desktop effects, while videos, whether they're plain MPEG or H26x, are strictly 2D. Intel's power-hungry CPUs can effectively brute-force the higher end video codecs like H265, while the lower-power Android SoCs require a hardware-based solution.

  13. NUC Pricing is crazy! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    NUC Pricing is crazy! They need to be $150 or less.

    If they added a second GigE port, I'd have already bought two for a NAS AND a pfSense router.

    The Alix boxes have been hugely underpowered at this price point or hugely over priced for even half this CPU power.

  14. Re:nobody wants U by slashmydots · · Score: 1

    I have used them and they're not fast enough to draw the slashdot homepage in under 10 seconds. I can't think of any use they might have if they can't even browse the web.