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Microsoft Closing Two Phone Factories In China

randomErr writes: Microsoft is closing two factories in China by the end of March. About 9,000 people worked in these factories, and those jobs were cut a while back as part of the company's major restructuring after its Nokia purchase. Much of the equipment located in these factories from Beijing and the southeastern city of Dongguan is being shipped to Vietnam.

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  1. Well, Dice finally did it by NotDrWho · · Score: 3, Informative

    They finally got rid of the ability to follow comment histories on the nobeta. Now it's impossible to see if a comment has been replied to and following any comment thread has to be done manually, one post at a time.

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    1. Re:Well, Dice finally did it by NotDrWho · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's a fucking shame This site used to be so great back in the day. I remember when it was routine to see postings with over 1,000 comments (don't be fooled by my UID, I've been here a LONG time). And I'm still not sure why Dice seems so absolutely determined to kill it off. But man, have they done a great job of it! Even after the outcry against the Beta, they are just DETERMINED to FORCE it on us. They're like a drunk friend who wants to fight you tooth-and-nail to get into that car and drive off that cliff. He is just GOING TO DRIVE OFF THAT CLIFF, no matter how many times you plead with him and warn him.

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    2. Re:Well, Dice finally did it by Soulskill · · Score: 5, Informative

      Just a bug. Will be back.

    3. Re:Well, Dice finally did it by blind+biker · · Score: 2

      Genuine question (no flamebait): what procedures does does Dice follow to do software testing before release? There has been an interesting amount of bugs introduced lately, in the Slashdot interface, like the huge gray strip on the right appearing on Chrome. This bug has been now fixed, so props for that, but it took weeks. Shouldn't it have been caught during the testing phase, before releasing the changes into the live system?

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    4. Re:Well, Dice finally did it by Soulskill · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I'm not on the Engineering team, and I don't make the Product decisions, so I'm not going to be of much help with your question. Yeah, the bugs probably should have been squashed before releasing -- but the Slashdot codebase is a monster, and there are a lot of edges cases among users, so I think the release is done under the "perfect is the enemy of good" philosophy. Hopefully we can get the big ones taken care of in short order.

  2. Cheaper in Vietnam by monkeyxpress · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Make sense. Chinese wages and standards of living have been increasing rapidly over the last few years, while the political systems/economies in parts of South East Asia are becoming developed enough to provide confidence to foreign investment. Will be interesting to see how China deals with this shift. Hopefully not in the western way, with all the bosses patting themselves on the back for lowering costs while the consumer economy falls apart around them.

    1. Re:Cheaper in Vietnam by HangingChad · · Score: 3, Funny

      I think it's hilarious to see China losing jobs to a low-cost foreign competitor. How does it feel, bitch?! Not only that but it's a country they used to support militarily. The suck it double bonus.

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    2. Re:Cheaper in Vietnam by jellomizer · · Score: 3, Interesting

      This shows the danger of the Race To the Bottom concept.

      US/European Manufacturing cannot have dirt cheap labor, but it still isn't dead. Western Manufacturing is value add manufacturing. While you may pay more per device, your device will have a lower refund rate, or more automation on the line, where product are more constantly completed.

      However for the countries who are getting business from just being the cheapest, means once someone can be cheaper than you, then you are out of business, with a population of unskilled -semi-skilled workers out of work, and probably desperate (and that makes them dangerous) and a debt of an expensive infrastructure that hasn't been paid off yet.

      Living in upstate NY, I have seen the effect of a manufacturing losses. Where in the 1970-1980's most jobs started to get shipped overseas, because they were cheaper, and the Pre-WWII buildings and infrastructure wasn't adequate. (We can discuss politics too... However that is still open to a lot of debate). Most towns economy was dependent on one large company once that company leaves the town dies. Because the old manufacturing was only about units out. That can be pushed anywhere. Now that US Manufacturing is slowly coming back, it is about more than cost per unit, but other factors as well... And these new manufacturing are no longer so vital to the economy, that the area can survive after it.

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    3. Re:Cheaper in Vietnam by darkwing_bmf · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The fact that China is increasingly hostile to the internal use of Western tech (promoting their own OS, banning Apple products, etc) could also be a factor

      Um, what?

  3. It's a start... by MagickalMyst · · Score: 4, Funny

    Now if they would only close the shop in Redmond.

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  4. Market Labor Forces by Limekiller42 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This shouldn't surprise anyone. If you commoditize your labor market (which means you are competing on price) you run the risk that someone else will offer a cheaper alternative. If you can't defend your position on price, you have to compete with some sort of other value add like offering skilled labor. If you can't do that, you've got a real problem.

  5. Always a cheaper fish... by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 2

    Given that China has historically been the nominally-communist-but-attractively-cheap-and-open-for-business destination, they can't be entirely surprised that Vietnam is now cutting into their action.

    That aside, though, I wonder if this is more or less purely cost focused, or whether the quasi-mercantalist Chinese government policies aimed at aiding domestic firms and speeding up acquisition of foreign firms' tech has a bigger role? They aren't necessarily irrational, given that competing on price and low environmental standards isn't exactly a fun game, even when you are winning it; but such policies presumably do encourage foreign firms to head for the exit more quickly at the same time as they reduce the impact of their doing so.

    1. Re:Always a cheaper fish... by Limekiller42 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It's likely a cost-play. If you build your economy on the concept of commoditized labor (where you are just competing with others on price rather than other value adds), you run this risk which is that others will offer that commodity cheaper. As China's living standards move up, the wages are moving with it and that is causing a problem for the Chinese leadership. They also have a massive real estate bubble that could wreck their own economy pretty badly and also have a pretty painful global impact.

  6. "global economy" by fluffernutter · · Score: 4, Interesting

    At first I thought this was a story of Microsoft heralding a broadsword by bringing their interests home.

    As it tuns out, even the repressed have it bad in the 'global economy'.

    Here it is folks, the wealthy rule the earth.

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  7. Re:leave this mess. by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 4, Informative

    It looks like some of the other bugs have been fixed as well - comments were not always full-width, which made it a PITA on large screens. Much appreciated. The message links still work for me (they were an off-and-on thing for quite a while) so it's not harder to follow a discussion or replies to posts ... (shrug).

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  8. Personally, I expected an India closure. by tlambert · · Score: 2

    Personally, I expected an India closure.

    Especially after India "discovered" Nokia "owed" $3.4B in "taxes", as soon as they heard Nokia was being sold to Microsoft.