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Quebecker Faces Jail For Not Giving Up Phone Password To Canadian Officials

wired_parrot writes Canadian customs officials have charged a 38-year old man with obstruction of justice after he refused to give up his Blackberry phone password [on arrival in Canada by plane from the Dominican Republic]. As this is a question that has not yet been litigated in Canadian courts, it may establish a legal precedent for future cases. From the article: [Law professor Rob] Currie says the issue of whether a traveller must reveal a password to an electronic device at the border hasn't been tested by a court. "This is a question that has not been litigated in Canada, whether they can actually demand you to hand over your password to allow them to unlock the device," he said. "One thing for them to inspect it, another thing for them to compel you to help them."

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  1. What? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    None of this can be true, I was told no one had blackberries anymore. It's all lies lies I tell you

  2. What is the point? by hawguy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Terabytes (Petabytes?) of encrypted data enters the country every day from across the world via the internet, yet Border Services thinks they need to inspect the data on everyone's phones?

    I sincerely hope he wins the case.

    1. Re:What is the point? by CohibaVancouver · · Score: 4, Informative

      yet Border Services thinks they need to inspect the data on everyone's phones?

      No, not everyone's phones, just phones of people they suspect of something.

      It's the same deal with inspecting the contents of suitcases. They don't inspect everyone's suitcases, just some of them.

    2. Re:What is the point? by Lumpy · · Score: 5, Funny

      Not the last time I took the bridge from Detroit to Canada. The canada guy was a raging asshole, I almost thought he was the American guy and I went the wrong way for a moment.

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    3. Re:What is the point? by SvnLyrBrto · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Border/customs agents have the au-thor-i-tah to cause massive grief for just about anyone, on nothing more than a whim, with no checks on their power (In the US, for example, the constitutional requirement of probable cause and protecting against unreasonable search and seizure and such don't apply to their kind.), or recourse for their victims. Given the nature of the position, I'd expect it to attract the sort of people who would revel in that abuse... ie. raging assholes... no matter what country they work for.

      And all national stereotypes aside, I'm pretty sure that no country on this earth has a monopoly on, or shortage of, raging assholes.

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    4. Re:What is the point? by Ami+Ganguli · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The violation of privacy requires some reasonable counterbalancing objective. Inspecting physical goods has the reasonable objective of preventing smuggling. And it's reasonable that if you have something you really want to keep private (say you're a transvestite and don't want to come out), you'll leave the embarrassing material at home.

      A phone or other electronic device, on the other hand, can contain all manner of private information. It's a much deeper invasion of privacy than just searching somebody's luggage. Deleting all that information just to be able to travel would constitute a considerable burden for most people.

      The counterbalancing objective (I guess preventing the smuggling of child porn or something like that?) is much weaker. There are so many other ways of smuggling data that these inspections aren't likely to lead to any positive results.

      So you have a much greater invasion of privacy vs. and a much weaker reasonable objective for needing to perform the search. I don't think the crown will win this, or at least I hope they won't.

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    5. Re:What is the point? by purplepolecat · · Score: 4, Funny

      That must have been Scott. He's a dick.

  3. IANAL, but my answer would be no by cecil36 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    To me, the owner of any electronic device that is password protected should not disclose the password to the device unless the authority has a warrant out for that person.

    1. Re:IANAL, but my answer would be no by silas_moeckel · · Score: 4, Insightful

      They still should not be compelled to reveal the password. Even blanket immunity should not allow them to force you since it still might ruin your life or worse reasonably fear for your life and safety and ones close to you.

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    2. Re:IANAL, but my answer would be no by Kjella · · Score: 4, Insightful

      IANAL, but my answer would be no

      And probably just as important in this case is YJMV - Your Jurisdiction May Vary. The UK is fascist country where I know it's illegal, I wouldn't bring any device I wouldn't unlock - I'd just make sure it's clean and I can download what I want once inside the country. The US is a fairly safe country thanks to the fifth amendment. The rest of the world? Dunno. Don't really care to research it either. If I was doing anything naughty I'd send it online or even in the mail. At least then they can't refuse me entry or any of that shit.

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    3. Re: IANAL, but my answer would be no by samkass · · Score: 4, Insightful

      New phone feature idea: a settable password which, when entered, instantly wipes the phone. (Throws away the encryption keys and shuts down.)

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  4. Re:Israel got a lot of heat for much lesser offens by MatthewCCNA · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The person in question is a Canadian citizen and cannot be denied reentry into Canada or sent back.

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  5. Edible Phones by puddingebola · · Score: 4, Funny

    This story points to the clear need for edible phones. Imagine that as you are landing in some country with a lack of respect for civil liberties, you receive a text message warning you that your phone is about to be confiscated. What if you could simply eat your phone? Wouldn't that be ideal. Edible phones could be the next growth market for the tech industry. Message me for details on how to invest.

    1. Re:Edible Phones by sjames · · Score: 4, Funny

      Surely an invention like this calls for an investment in chocolate coins.

  6. Re:Thing everyone is missing by MatthewCCNA · · Score: 4, Informative

    The person in question is a Canadian citizen and cannot be denied reentry into Canada or sent back. I think it's the term 'Quebecker' (someone from Quebec) that is confusing people.

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  7. Re:Israel got a lot of heat for much lesser offens by ceoyoyo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I don't know how it works in the US, but the Canadian government cannot refuse a Canadian citizen entry into the country. That's a very good thing.

  8. Re:Right to remain silent where? by Macdude · · Score: 5, Informative

    You're assuming that he's alluding to the fifth amendment, the Miranda warning is just a notification of it, but according to the Canadian Constitution and the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms you have the right to remain silent in Canada as well. You also have the right to an attorney (counsel).

    Not that it matters when you're in Customs. Your constitutional rights (mostly) don't apply in customs, in the US or Canada.

    Two publications from the BCCLA (BC Civil Liberties Association) you may be interested in:
    https://bccla.org/wp-content/u...
    https://bccla.org/wp-content/u...

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  9. The poison pin ... by CaptainDork · · Score: 5, Interesting

    ... smart devices should have two (2) pass codes.

    One of the pass codes allows the owner in.

    The other pass code BRICKS the goddam phone. That's the one we give the authorities.

    Then, it's like, "Hey you bastards, what did you do to my phone? You owe me a phone!!!"

    Until probable cause has been established and a search warrant issued, evidence does not exist.

    Right now, I can choose to brick my phone. Ir's mine. I am not compelled by any retention laws to maintain an archive for future requests to examine the phone.

    The phone will have to be backed up on the cloud, of course, but authorities don't know that's been done; they don't know where it's been done, and they will have to slow things down in order to get a search warrant.

    During that window of opportunity, I am at liberty to delete cloud-based stuff until such time I am formally made aware, by warrant, that my junk is evidence by way of probable cause.

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    1. Re:The poison pin ... by presidenteloco · · Score: 4, Funny

      The second password shouldn't brick the phone, it should take you to a second version of your phone's file system, which contains only the "happy birds" game, a collection of bad but sincere teenage poetry, and a spreadsheet listing the names of each member of Canada's federal government cabinet alongside a 6 figure dollar number.

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  10. Obstruction is a wild overstatement by davecb · · Score: 4, Informative

    Obstruction of justice is typically things like bribing witnesses, which is specifically mentioned in the law. Not refusing to unlock oa locked cell-phone, which the courts have held requires a warrant in other circumstances.

    From the information in the article, this sounds like an attempt to scare a citizen into doing something.

    Attempts to widen this particular law to cover less serious crimes get rejected by the courts: the very first case on the subject inCanII says (emphasis added)

    [19] Moreover, an assertion that the mere attempt by an accused to identify an informant is a crime, fails to take into account that the types of conduct which constitute obstruction of justice, even though not fully articulated in the Criminal Code, are relatively well and narrowly defined in the law, and must remain so narrowly defined in order to have certainty in the law. Offences against the administration of justice have always included such conduct as attempting to influence a jury or to threaten a witness, or publishing sensitive information when a matter is working its way through the justice system, a general category of conduct which lawyers sometimes call an infraction of the sub judice rule. I have been unable to find a single suggestion anywhere in the law that an accused cannot take steps to identify a police informant; the court should act with restraint in opening new classes of obstruction of justice. Although obstruction of justice is an evolving concept, its main tendency is to narrow the categories of conduct which may constitute a crime rather than to enlarge them: Sunday Times. Recent examples of the narrowing of the categories include the removal of scandalizing the court as a matter of contempt, Kopyto, and the striking down of the publication ban on bail hearings, White.

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  11. Re:Israel got a lot of heat for much lesser offens by boa · · Score: 4, Informative

    "I don't know how it works in the US, but the Canadian government cannot refuse a Canadian citizen entry into the country. That's a very good thing."

    The right to return is part of UN Universal Declaration of Human Rights:

    Article 13.

    (1) Everyone has the right to freedom of movement and residence within the borders of each state.
    (2) Everyone has the right to leave any country, including his own, and to return to his country.
    http://www.un.org/en/documents...

  12. Re:Simple response from me... by anegg · · Score: 4, Informative

    You should check with those organization's policies on the location/protection of information. You may find that you are not authorized by them to take that information out of the country, encrypted or not.

    If you work for a company in the United States that does any kind of technical work, that company may have policies against your taking any of their IT equipment (and information) outside of the United States. Yes, even a cell phone, even to Canada. You might open them up to a violation of export control laws at a minimum.

    Off the main topic but still of interest - even talking inside the borders of the US to a non-US person (a specific designation referring to a combination of non-citizenship, non-green card holder) about a technical subject can be a violation of export controls on technical information.

  13. Re:Americans to the rescue by MichaelMacDonald · · Score: 5, Informative

    Wait until they pass bill C-51 behind our backs... It gets much worse.

  14. Let's get some sunshine by Trailer+Trash · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It's amazing to read articles like this and nobody on the government side is named, just agencies and some "spokesperson". Name them. Somebody arrested this guy, and somebody is trying to prosecute him. Everybody involved in this needs to be named and publicly shamed. They need to be in a situation where they go home at night and their wife says "hey, why is everybody we know calling and asking why you're prosecuting some guy for not turning over a password? Is that even illegal? Why is this so important?"

    Quit letting scum bags hide behind anonymity.