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The Origin of Life and the Hidden Role of Quantum Criticality

KentuckyFC writes One of the great puzzles of biology is how the molecular machinery of life is so finely coordinated. Even the simplest cells are complex three dimensional biochemical factories in which a dazzling array of machines pump, push, copy, and compute in a dance of extraordinarily detailed complexity. Indeed, it is hard to imagine how the ordinary processes of electron transport allow this complexity to emerge given the losses that arise in much simpler circuits. Now a group of researchers led by Stuart Kauffmann have discovered that the electronic properties of biomolecules are entirely different to those of ordinary conductors. It turns out that most biomolecules exist in an exotic state called quantum criticality that sits on the knife edge between conduction and insulation. In other words, biomolecules belong to an entirely new class of conductor that is not bound by the ordinary rules of electron transport. Of course, organic molecules can be ordinary conductors or insulators and the team have found a few biomolecules that fall into these categories. But evolution seems to have mainly selected biomolecules that are quantum critical, implying that that this property must confer some evolutionary advantage. Exactly what this could be isn't yet clear but it must play an important role in the machinery of life and its origin.

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  1. "Complexity" is very subjective. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "Complexity" is a very subjective thing. It's solely determined by the intellectual capabilities of the person or people involved.

    Just look at computer programming. We have smart people who understand C++. To them, it isn't complex. It's just a really powerful tool. Then we have less-smart people who use Ruby. They don't have the mental capacity or acuity to understand C++, so they see it as being complex. The complexity of C++ really just depends on who you are and what your mind is capable of working with.

    It's totally the same for the SQL versus NoSQL issue. Some people are intelligent and totally capable of understanding and using SQL. They don't find it complex. But there are other people who lack the intellectual ability to comprehend SQL. To them, it's "complex". So to try to combat their inability to understand SQL, they come up with NoSQL and shenanigans like that. SQL itself isn't complex. It's just that some people find it to be complex, based on their limited intellect.

    Complexity is subjective. While these biological phenomenon may appear difficult for some people to comprehend, they aren't really all that complex at all.

    1. Re:"Complexity" is very subjective. by pepty · · Score: 3, Insightful

      No, complexity is not subjective. You are just using a very casual definition for complexity in a discussion for which there is a much more precise definition. In this case, complexity is a quantifiable property of physical systems. This is true for your analogy as well: in CS one definition for complexity is the number of steps that it takes to solve an instance of the problem as a function of the size of the input. Read the wiki and try again.

    2. Re:"Complexity" is very subjective. by pepty · · Score: 3, Interesting

      While these biological phenomenon may appear difficult for some people to comprehend, they aren't really all that complex at all.

      Really? So you can predict how proteins fold? Which drug candidates will interact with which proteins and what effects they will have? How about just modeling the interaction of a protein and water? These all fall under NP-complete, which is a pretty much the epitome of complexity.

    3. Re:"Complexity" is very subjective. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The OP is not 100% wrong, but as others have pointed complexity is not just subjective. There are systems with greater complexity than others, regardless of the beholder.

      It's a mistake to say that, because someone has eyes which can be forced to focus on a distant object, those who can't see it are on a lower rank. This is exactly what leads us to marginalize some people who are deaf, or color blind, or too tall etc.

      Furthermore, sometimes complexity signals a field not well understood. Someone, somewhere, somehow will come up with an elegant and simple view which will render the previous complex one useless (like e.g., the heliocentric view versus the geocentric). IOW simple is harder and comes from more powerful minds.

    4. Re:"Complexity" is very subjective. by pepty · · Score: 2, Interesting

      My apologies: I used the CS definition when referring to Parent's using computer programming as an analogy: "This is true for your analogy as well". For the discussion about biology I just said quantifiable, but there are a bunch of different ways to approach complexity in biological systems, some rigourous, some not, and even Mr. Complexity and Self Organization Himself (Kauffman) would use different ones depending on the problem he is currently looking at. For quantum criticality, the one wikipedia gives for physical systems: "complexity is a measure of the probability of the state vector of the system" is a good start. For systems biology or genetics, an information theory approach would be better.

    5. Re:"Complexity" is very subjective. by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 2

      I'm sorry, but the parent post is anything but polite. I'd even say it is also off-topic has it only pretend to talk about the article, and use that to gratuitously insult people.

      It takes very thin skin to be insulted by a person saying that familiarity breeds understanding.

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    6. Re: "Complexity" is very subjective. by ceoyoyo · · Score: 2

      Complexity of the type has a mathematical definition similar to entropy. It's related to the number of interacting parts and/or the number of states the system can be in. It doesn't need to be subjective at all, although our gut instinct estimates may be.

  2. Re:Quantum commuicantion by itzly · · Score: 2

    Yes, the gut reaction is call it pseudo science and get a good laugh out of it

    No, the gut reaction would be to test the effect by placing a transmitter next to somebody's head, see that nothing happens, and then get a good laugh out of it.

  3. Perspective from a chemist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I did my Ph.D. in physical chemistry, focusing on electron transport in DNA, proteins, and other organic molecules. I read the arxiv paper and found it almost incomprehensible from this perspective. There is no reference to existing models of electron transport in biological systems(*), and it's not clear that their "generalized fractal dimension" for a protein has anything at all to do with electron transport. While it's possible that this approach is just so revolutionary that it doesn't need to be grounded in what's already known/believed about this field, it's more likely that this is just pseudoscience. Further supporting this hypothesis is the existence of phrases like "Why life persists at the edge of chaos is a question at the very heart of evolution" in the text. Serious science doesn't need that kind of hype in the paper.

    *except at the end where they reference a couple experimental papers that tangentially relate to this topic

    1. Re:Perspective from a chemist by drolli · · Score: 2

      I agree; i am a quantum physicist. The paper goes seomwhere between effortless phenemenological observation, overgeneralizations and claims which are so remarkably undefined (like that biomolecules are neither insulator nor metals - thanks) hat it not clear which theoretical hypothesis they are going to make here.

      The really impoertan question is: can i use their theoretical observation to predict parameters of molecules at some places? Can they actually reduce the number of variables needes to describe a problem? Is there any testable prediction or unexplained mechanism?

    2. Re:Perspective from a chemist by reve_etrange · · Score: 2

      I'm just a layman, but to my untrained eye this looks like word salad.

      I'm a biochemist specializing in molecular biophysics, and I agree.

      It's not always true, but as a general rule of thumb that some throwing "quantum" into a biology discussion is usually talking crap.

      Definitely not always - there are actually enzymes which take advantage of electron tunneling, and even proton tunneling, for catalysis. Here's a particularly cool paper (no paywall) about a light-activated oxidoreductase which encourages a proton to tunnel.

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  4. Complexity is not a property of the observer by The+Real+Dr+John · · Score: 2

    Complexity is a real property of natural systems. Biological systems are highly complex by any measurable standard. Proteins and protein complexes are nanomachines that operate on principles that have no counterpart in modern technology, such as computers. Take a look at detailed maps of protein complexes like the ribosome, proteosome or F1/F0 particle in mitochondria, and how they operate and are regulated. They are extremely complex despite being only nanometers in size.

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  5. Re:Quantum commuicantion by itzly · · Score: 2

    The reaction to seeing a tiger in the bushes is a mix of chemical and electrical. Electrical signals in the nerves are pretty fast. Release of stress hormones takes a little longer. Of course, at the microscopic level, pretty interesting stuff happens, with plenty of details that we don't fully understand yet. Nothing that involves unknown energy though. It's pretty much all the same electromagnetic force throughout.

  6. The Problem by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The problem with arguments from personal incredulity is that the dumbest person in the room always wins.

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    1. Re:The Problem by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 3, Insightful

      So, you find the article's proposal... incredulous?

      Do note that all scientific progress derives from a willingness to look at a given model (say, Newtonian mechanics, "Luminiferous Ether", the Copenhagen Interpretation) and say "I don't really believe that", though.

      So you figure I said that people are not allowed to "not believe"?

      Hell no!

      If a person wants to have a different idea that's just fine. But the idea that a person can invalidate a whole lot of dat by saying "I simply cannot believe, and having their "I simply cannot believe be the crux of their argument - well now that's different.

      If I were to say - "I look out, and the whole world doesn't look curved, I simply cannot believe it is round." or "Look how the sun, moon, and stars rotate around the earth - I simply cannot believe the earth is not the center of the universe." is no different than saying "Life is so complex - I simply cannot believe anyone other than My particular Deity made it" is the exact same thing.

      There is a whole lot of evidence that the world is a globe.

      There is a whole lot of evidence that the earth is not the center of the Universe.

      There is a whole lot of evidence for life forms evolving, from fossils to DNA to biology, and all of the evidence fits into the timelines delivered by physics.

      So no, someone saying "I simply cannot believe" means they cannot comprehend, not much else.

      The dumbest person in the room.

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  7. Misleading assertions by fey000 · · Score: 2

    >>"But evolution seems to have mainly selected biomolecules that are quantum critical, implying that that this property must confer some evolutionary advantage. Exactly what this could be isn't yet clear but it must play an important role in the machinery of life and its origin."

    A scientist should understand evolution sufficiently well to not use arguments like this.

    Why are we carbon based and not silica based? Either works just fine. Evolution doesn't pick the "best" option, it picks a "functional" option. After something has proven to function, evolution stops caring (until it no longer functions). Why iron and not copper in our blood? Either works fine.

    Why quantum critical "bio"molecules? Because they work. There is NO other criteria. They could be better than the alternative, they could be worse, they could be the same. But they work. That is all we can assert.

    1. Re:Misleading assertions by pauljlucas · · Score: 3, Informative

      Why are we carbon based and not silica based? Either works just fine.

      No it doesn't. If you do the chemical equations for respiration using carbon, you end up with CO2 as a waste product that's easy for an organism to get rid of since it's a gas. If you substitute silicon for carbon, the equations still work but you end up with SiO2 as a waste product -- sand -- a solid that's pretty much impossible for an organism to get rid of.

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    2. Re:Misleading assertions by ultranova · · Score: 3, Informative

      Why are we carbon based and not silica based? Either works just fine.

      Do you have any examples of silica-based lifeforms to back that assertion?

      Why iron and not copper in our blood? Either works fine.

      Iron is more efficient in environments humans live in.

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  8. Re: Meet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    The Zoroastrians and Greeks called. They want their afterlife back. And it's not hard to imagine doing a better job of creation than Yahweh, especially with infinite power and knowledge to hand. Plus, sacrificing yourself to yourself to stop yourself from doing something you can freely chosse to do or not to do makes as much sense as a screen door on a spaceship, especially when it mostly doesn't work (and a bad weekend isn't much sacrifice...)

    There ay be a God. I think there is. It's not the genocidal egomaniac of the abrahamic religions. If YOU want to spend eternity in Hell with it, be my guest, the sooner the better.

  9. Re:Blind to the Watchmaker? by itzly · · Score: 2

    No, I'm saying that the theory of evolution is being called upon to explain increasingly complex layers of life's intricacies that are more simply explained by the existence of a creator.

    That's only true if you completely ignore the complexities of the creator itself.

  10. Re:Quantum commuicantion by sonicmerlin · · Score: 2

    The reason it's called pseudo science is because studies =shown there is no difference in effect between placebo groups and the group receiving EMF radiation.

  11. Assuming a grand meaning seems to be overreaching by The_Laughing_God · · Score: 3, Interesting

    As a former molecular biologist who happens to be in the middle of a course on the design/synthesis of biomolecular electronics (biological semiconductors, conductors, LEDs, solar etc.), I wonder if the solution isn't as simple as this:

    Essentially all biomolecules are synthesized by enzymes. Most are acted upon by enzymes or have some enzymatic activity during their functional life. Quantum criticality could be a useful property to enhance binding and catalysis at enzyme clefts (or other active sites) by enhancing charge/electron transitions in/on a molecule. Criticality may allow transitions and thresholds to be sharper, snappier, more selective.

    "Quantum criticality" is just a label we give to a group of mechanisms (and the structures that encourage them) based on some test. I might label the many things that scare my friend's neurotic but otherwise imposing German Shepard as "Fido-phobic". This category might even be scientifically interesting -- if pulling pranks or stealing from my friend were major scientific goals at this point in time. That doesn't mean that squeeze toys that groan, rubber cubes that bounce erratically, and electric toys that "awaken" at random or after a delay share a fundamental property. They simply have properties that have interesting effects toward a certain goal (keeping her dog from interfering in our hijinks)

  12. As an Engineer/Journeyman Machinist I can tell you by Grey+Geezer · · Score: 3, Informative

    that watches are not really all that complex. Nor do they ever evolve to better survive in a changing environment, or reproduce of their own accord. But (scientifically) the fact that we do not completely understand how something works does not mean that, a "God" must therefore have created it. The fact that we find something difficult to understand is not an excuse to abandon the Scientific Method, shrug our intellectually lazy shoulders, and attribute (said difficult to understand thing), to a creator...You are not suggesting we do...are you...really?

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  13. Stop anthropomorphizing evolution. by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 2

    But evolution seems to have mainly selected biomolecules that are quantum critical, implying that that this property must confer some evolutionary advantage. Exactly what this could be isn't yet clear but it must play an important role in the machinery of life and its origin.

    Why talk as though evolution has a purpose, a mind , as if evolution itself is some sentient being?

    Stop anthropomorphizing or deomorphizing evolution. Evolution hates such talk. :-)

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  14. Re:Blind to the Watchmaker? by itzly · · Score: 2

    Same thing. You haven't explained the creator itself. You haven't explained the creation process. You can't predict anything.

    I agree it's simple, but it's also meaningless. You have no answers. The only thing you've accomplished is that you've stopped asking questions.

  15. Re:As an Engineer/Journeyman Machinist I can tell by MightyMartian · · Score: 2

    Gentlemen, I submit to you another shining example of the Salem Hypothesis.

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  16. Re:Quantum commuicantion by ultranova · · Score: 2

    So a chemical reaction can spread fear over your *entire* body in a split second? But if there was quantum communication going on, it more readily explains how the entire body can go from normal to fight or flight in a split second.

    So does ordinary chemical reaction, especially in conductors specifically designed for fast propagation, such as nerves. In fact, even the exotic phenomenom called "sound" moves at 340+ meters per second, and will thus take all of 1/150 of a second to cross your body.

    Personally, I find it interesting that ancient healing techniques focused on some type of unknown energy healing that was laughed at by modern science. And before it is all said and done, I think it is going to turn out not so crazy after all.

    Ancient healing techniques, for the most part, don't work. It doesn't really matter what they're focusing on, since they fail to actually heal the patient, and in many cases actually cause harm. So, crazy or sensible, they're simply wrong.

    Modern science, on the other hand, eradicated smallpox and has polio on the ropes. Even AIDS and cancer are on the retreat. The only things it seems unable to cure in foreseeable future are human evil and stupidity.

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  17. Re:Blind to the Watchmaker? by lgw · · Score: 2

    Darwin was quite some time ago, and while he had some remarkable deductions for his day, and deserves credit for establishing the field, he's practically speaking irrelevant to the science of evolutionary biology. Even in Darwin's day, however, before genetics, his theory made a remarkable prediction: that taxonomy would be cladistic (to use the modern term). That is, you could organize species in a hierarchy based on common features.

    You can't do this with e.g vehicles: there are features common to all pick-up trucks, features common to all Fords, features common to all passenger vehicles made after a certain year, and so on: it's immediately obvious that you can't make any sort of hierarchy based on features with any predictive value. A pickup truck bed doesn't tell you who made the alternator, the Ford logo doesn't tell you whether a vehicle has airbags, and so on. Remarkably, you can do this with plant and animal species, and the millions of cataloged species all fit this model: extreme confirmation of the prediction made from the hypothesis of common ancestry.

    But that's all old-school, pre-genetics naturalism: 19th century and early 20th century stuff.

    "Evolution" means "the statistical distribution of alleles in a population changes over time". Evolutionary biology is about statistical models of dynamic systems: good, solid mathematical models used in research daily. There's even an engineering aspect, as it's sometimes preferred for research organisms to manipulate the genome without directly splicing genes, or to ensure a stable population with a given modification for long-term research.

    TLDR: read the Talk.Origins FAQ I've linked to the best starting point, but there's a wealth of information there, that directly speaks to the claims of skeptics of evolution. The materials are 20 years old now, but they're very well written arguments with counter-arguments with all the flame wars removed.

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