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Obama Administration Claims There Are 545,000 IT Job Openings
dcblogs writes The White House has established a $100 million program that endorses fast-track, boot camp IT training efforts and other four-year degree alternatives. But this plan is drawing criticism because of the underlying message it sends in the H-1B battle. The federal program, called TechHire, will get its money from H-1B visa fees, and the major users of this visa are IT services firms that outsource jobs. Another source of controversy will be the White House's assertion that there are 545,000 unfilled IT jobs. It has not explained how it arrived at this number, but the estimate will likely be used as a talking point by lawmakers seeking to raise the H-1B cap.
people in the tech sector would not be looking for jobs for months at a time. Id love to see the breakdown on where they came up with this number.
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That number is EASY to figure out. Just look at all the revolving door jobs the IT industry has created the past few years. The largest companies don't want to high full time anymore, so they just go through temp agencies (*COUGH*MICROSOFT*COUGH*). So, once the temp hits a certain date, they're terminated and replaced by another temp (and the original temp is invited back after a certain period of time). So, with this, we just look at the cycle of temps going in/out of the tech industry. These are the "openings", which are just being filled by the same cycle of people.
all paying $13.25/hour...
Just most are in other countries, or they are fake openings purposefully designed not to be filled to justify bringing in H1Bs.
Any insufficiently advanced magic is indistinguishable from technology.
Well, FTFA, they suggest a more realistic number might be in the 60,000s. Anyone who has been in the job market knows that for every unfilled IT job position, there are at least 10 contracting and headhunter firms like Dice vying to fill that job req for their "special client". So it's perfectly reasonable that we could see 10x as many job postings as actual positions available.
And even then, they say that with the inflated numbers, 17% of the IT workforce is unfulfilled. Which actually sounds about right since roughly about a fifth of all of my engineering teams in recent memory have been open job reqs to replace people who just left.
Anyway, contracting and headhunter firms are a big cottage industry grown up around IT nowadays, we're gonna have to hire more developers to make sense of all of this IT hiring data. Like the banks making more money by loaning each other money, we could make the IT job market even bigger by trying to optimize the IT job market! You should use Dice to help you sort through it all!
Dice! (am I doing it right?)
its 500,000 jobs that each last about 4 hrs, half a day of work. string enough together and you have a job.
2017 cannot come fast enough. The current administration in the white house does not even know what party it represents, what it stands for.
This is lunacy. There are not 545,000 IT job openings in this country. Look at dice.com, indeed, monster, etc. TRY TO GET A JOB.
I bet there are less than 100,000 real positions available.
This is just a red herring to let them open up the H1-B faucet and drive wages down. This would have been unsurprising coming from the republicans, but from the obama administration? Just more incompetence. Disappointing, but not unexpected.
there are 3 kinds of people:
* those who can count
* those who can't
They don't want to appear too white.
540K of them are for unicorns at below market rates
All at $18.00 an hour or less
He never said the openings were all at honest wages.
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I thought, the 545K number should be easy to substantiate, but googling doesn't find much. Except, an article saying that there are "as much as" 545,000 unfilled IT jobs ... in the UK. Could Obama have been reading the wrong newspaper?
Oliver's law of assumed responsibility: If you're seen fixing it, you will be blamed for breaking it.
Now, I'm an engineer, and sometimes you do have to pull a number out of your ass to make useful estimates in the absence of data. It happens.
But damn, President Obama, we at least try to get the order of magnitude correct!
A half-million IT jobs sitting wide open? I am not an IT professional, but I'd say if there was this much demand for IT, we would need to genuflect at the desk of our IT guy every day at work and thank him for showing up, drunk or otherwise.
Our IT guy actually packs a bag lunch and drives a beater car, and he's actually helpful and knows his shit, so I'll go out on a limb and say that this 545,000 number is (in the words of the late, great Tom Magliozzi) "B-O-O-O-G-U-S!"
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I don't see Obama claiming 545,000 open IT jobs anywhere but the CW article. Where did Computerworld come up with that? They attribute it to "the White House" and "the Obama administration", but don't name names.
Never let a lack of data get in the way of a good rant.
I'm black and I've got a pretty technical job. It's not IT, it's better (to me). I could easily get a low level IT job if I wanted to.
When I was a young teen, I saw a few kids like me but not very many (black OR white). Computers were very much a "nerd" thing. This was about 15 years ago, so I doubt anything has changed. These days it might even be worse, since back then it was a necessary evil, which can now be worked around with tablets and smart phones.
These days, even the most run-down, underfunded inner-city libraries have computers with Internet connectivity, along with books about programming.
I learned Basic in just such a place. The library in a Boys and Girls Club. They didn't have the internet until shortly before I moved on. They had rows of old Apple //e, Macs, and old DOS systems. I was practically their unpaid IT person, fixing all of the things the other kids would break. They even gave me one of those computers my last day there when I moved out of town.
That doesn't answer your question exactly. Suffice it to say, kids don't want to be nerds if they can help it, especially black kids. Oh well. More jobs for me.
Good hiring IT companies already include a years of experience equivalency to higher education. There is basically two traditional paths in IT work. First, you get the 4 year degree and have less experience in the field with specific technologies. Second, you dive straight into the industry doing grunt work while getting whatever certifications you can along the way and generally end up being more specialized. Your hiring policies can discriminate between the two because they are actually different, or they can dictate whatever period of industry experience/higher ed ratio you view as sufficient to do a job. Even once you have applicants, you still have to vet their credentials by checking certification, employment history, and degree course catalog. Not every degree is worth something. Universities that try to pawn off bachelor degrees as just a collection of certifications are very different than ones that provide a broad understanding of IT from top to bottom with the ability to learn on their own quickly to adapt to the rapid pace of technology changes.
I have my BS in computer science and I've been able to fill the roles of system administrator in multiple OS, storage administrator, network administrator, telecom worker, QA manager, DevOps lead, and programmer. I couldn't do all that if somebody had just fed me the cisco certification path. There is a market for people who did that though.
I'm sure they could be bought for much less.
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Quick fix: send written* letters with solid facts to his staunchest critics in the other party. They have been very quick and eager to contradict him on other issues. Take advantage of such behavior and motivation.
In particular, Senators Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa) and Jeff Sessions (R-Alabama) have shown skepticism about "techie shortages".
* Paper tends to carry more weight (no pun intended) over email because it takes more effort to prepare, acting as a bit of a riff-raff filter, and thus screening staff pay more attention to it.
Table-ized A.I.
Party Shmarty. All known politicians are spinners. Mr. Carter was probably the closest we had to an honest prez in recent history, and he was booted largely for saying things people didn't want to hear.
Honesty doesn't fly in our system. Voters want to be told they can have their cake AND eat it too. Mention difficult trade-offs, and you are dead meat.
Table-ized A.I.
It's a shortage of people with a decade of experience in C++, Java, Ruby, Python, Perl, Object Oriented COBOL, Linux, Windows, dot-net, oracle SQL and MS SQL who are also willing to accept $45,000 a year.
I'm trying to teach myself to set people on fire with my mind... Is it hot in here?
Well, the number is probably an estimate based on a sample and some assumptions. That's the way these kind of statistics are usually generated. Of course, the sample may not be representative, and the assumptions may be (almost certainly are) wildly optimistic.
I don't believe the number either, but in the name of intellectual honesty, I should mention that head hunters have said recently that in my area at least (pacific northwest) unemployment among IT professionals seeking work is down around 2%. There does seem to be (at least here) an uptick in IT positions. And believe me, nobody is more surprised than I.
Oliver's law of assumed responsibility: If you're seen fixing it, you will be blamed for breaking it.
All of our jobs are available to H1-B applicants who will work for 10% the going rate. Especially the jobs that are currently taken!
... the irony of the Obama administration outsourcing the labor to fix the ACA website is all you need to know. At every level of government they're outsourcing their IT.
So I don't really want to hear from the US government on the jobs. They're doing everything in their power to fuck over anyone in the country that doesn't have a staff of lobbyists.
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Rarely do politicians outright lie; they typically bend the truth. For example, most people could keep their existing doctor under ACA. But O should have qualified his statement with "most" rather than make it sound open-and-shut with "you can keep your doctor".
A "true" lie would be "everyone will be able to keep their doctor". That would be objectively and blatantly false. I prefer trying to save the word "lie" for a real lie rather than dilute it by over-using it for ambiguous word-play: AKA, "spin". Foreplay is not intercourse (even though you may get an STD anyhow :-)
Table-ized A.I.
And in ten years those jobs will all be done by programs.
How much is H-1B visa fee? It looks weird it is possible to fund anything significant with such a thing.
The US has a population of almost 320 million. Between 1% and 2% of the US population has a doctoral degree. Let's use that as a proxy for people with a STEM degree of any kind. That suggests that there's somewhere on the order of 3 million people in the US with a tech degree. If all if them were looking for jobs, then only about 1 in 6 would be able to find one. That being said, I can't tell you how many currently-filled positions there are. This probably accounts for the rest.
Let's keep in mind that most tech degrees aren't worth the paper they're written on. There are universities turning out uneducated graduates in droves. Even the good schools manage to graduate plenty of morons with passing grades. If this weren't the case, then companies like Google wouldn't feel motivated to put interviewees through these grueling, demoralizing, dehumanizing interviews. I don't like that approach to interviews, but it is an effective way of eliminating the huge numbers of college graduates who managed to pass without acquiring any skills. If the colleges had higher standards, this wouldn't be necessary.
People who can't find jobs say there aren't enough openings. Companies with plenty of openings complain that there aren't enough (good) IT graduates. Both are true. There are inordinate numbers of IT graduates. There are also plenty of jobs (open and filled positions combined).
We hear about a lack of IT jobs because the majority of IT graduates can't find jobs. When a majority complains about something, we hear about. What's left out of this is that the majority of IT graduates are also woefully unskilled at IT, although they either don't know or don't care. They spent more energy on cheating than studying, but they (or their parents) paid for their degree, and they feel entitled to get a job. Too bad they're completely unemployable.
Back when I got my bachelors degree, there was a major employer in the area that hired a lot of local graduates. Mostly they would hire them with only a cursory interview. Every single hiree, regardless of skill, was paid $30k/year (this was the mid 90's) and put through an extensive training program. Think of it as 3-month interview or probationary period. If you couldn't hack the training program, you were let go. If you passed, your skill level still didn't matter, because every one was stuck at the bottom of a waterfall design process. All you would do all day, every day was go through a stack of papers, where each paper corresponded to one function or procedure, and you would code them one at a time. Completely mind-numbing. But this company was successful at meeting predictable deadlines by employing thousands of relatively mindless IT graduates. There are still lots of companies like this, and they have to be, because this is the quality of the typical IT graduate. Those companies that adapt to the lowest common denominator do well. People get hired, and they get plenty of employees.
But we're in a super star culture. Companies want super star engineers, and engineers (however unskilled) want super star jobs. And that's where all the complaints (from both sides) are coming from.
I cant tell you how many job postings I read that said things like you need 5 years experience with X,Y, and Z.... only problem is Y and Z have only been out for 2 years and 4 years respectively.
Some of that is cluelessness in HR departments. (I recall a time where the jobs adds were filled with posts for entry level sysadmins, which demanded enough years of Unix experience that only Ken Thompson, Dennis Ritchie, M. D. McIlroy, and J. F. Ossanna MIGHT qualify. B-) )
But some of it is part of the "hire a cheap H1B" game. By making the requirements impossible (or rejecting all but a handfull of people who already receive astronomical fees on the consulting market), they can claim that "There are no available US citizens quaified for the post." Then they hire an H1B.
Of course the H1B doesn't have the qualifications, either. But his resume is inflated (typically by his recruiting firm, without his knowledge or approval).
The employer knows the game, and isn't expecting the claimed skills to be present - just enough skill to do the actual job. But a citizen who similarly inflated his resume would be in serious trouble as a result.
The boss gets his cheap laborer, the H1B gets his job and visa, the recruiter gets his fee. Everybody is happy except the rejected US candidates.
So who checks for fraud? The boss is happy. The rejected candidates are in no position to investigate or initiate a claim. The government is not interested. (The boss' company is a big political contributor.) Nobody else has standing.
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I'd be curious to know how your code is going to affect cache coherency. Aren't cache invisible? Do you mean affect cache performance due to coherency issues?
... they're all for PhD's in CompSci than solve any problem in the world in two days or less for a salary of 5$ an hour.
I'm deseprately looking for one of those myself. Let me know when you find one.
We suffer more in our imagination than in reality. - Seneca
Bullshit
But some of it is part of the "hire a cheap H1B" game. By making the requirements impossible (or rejecting all but a handfull of people who already receive astronomical fees on the consulting market), they can claim that "There are no available US citizens quaified for the post." Then they hire an H1B.
At most 85,000 H1b visas are issued each year. 7000 per month, nation-wide, compared with 2.8 million people employed in "Information Technology." I think you overestimate the impact of H1b on your personal employability.
But the chocolate ration was 11 gra#*%(^#&)$@#^&$@...NO CARRIER...
If there actually was a shortage, we'd see salaries rising and loosening of job requirements (i.e. willing to train people with half a brain, etc.)
Instead, it seems like there is a shortage of "good" people, which there will always be a shortage of regardless of field. Most people, by definition, are "average."
HR: But...but...that special in-house purpose built software package is the industry standard.
Prove it, Obama.
Remember kids, if you're not paying for the service, YOU ARE THE PRODUCT THAT IS BEING SOLD.
...except for the years they issued double that by mistake...oops.
This "perfect corruption" cannot be litigated against. It simply must rot organizations out of existence, which it will when nobody can speak to each other, nobody is capable of doing the work assigned, and cleaning-up the mess made becomes 10x multiples or more vs the money saved.
All the while, honest companies with good interview practices simply take over when their big, old competitors fail to progress or vanish entirely.
In the news: 100,000 IBM layoffs last month.
This is why small & medium businesses are the future, so you don't have one honest department & one broken department but instead have a successful company and a failing company.
Oh look, my old sig already held the answer:
Science & open-source build trust from peer review. Learn systems you can trust.
This is the classic ruse we've heard for years but in other sectors.
We need more skilled teachers! ... computer programmers!
We need more nurses!
We need more doctors!
We need more
And then the educational system ramps up to make those teachers, nurses, doctors, and programmers... but no one's actually hiring. There's a need, but that need is irrelevant unless there are jobs. Take the assertion that there are 545,000 IT jobs waiting to be filled until there's a list of positions and locations.