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South African Government Issues Plans To Censor Internet

An anonymous reader writes: The South African department of communications is sitting on a draft paper drawn up by the local Film & Publication Board, which proposes strict regulation of the internet within in the country in order to bring online publishing inline with that of DVD, video and terrestrial TV ratings. The proposals are being called censorship and unconstitutional, and include plans to criminalize anyone who publishes material online — including uploading videos to YouTube — who doesn't pay a licence and submit to vetting by FPB agents.

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  1. Blah blah blah. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just remember that this isn't what people are talking about when they mean Net Neutrality.

    1. Re:Blah blah blah. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Interesting

      People that call for more government control are always going back and saying "but we didn't mean THIS!"

    2. Re:Blah blah blah. by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Insightful

      South Africa is essentially a one party state. South African political parties are not defined by what they stand for, but for who they stand against. Until that changes, the ANC will win every election, regardless of how ineffectively they govern.

    3. Re:Blah blah blah. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      People that call for more government control are always going back and saying "but we didn't mean THIS!"

      People that call for less government control are also always going back and saying "but we didn't mean THIS!"

      There's no reason to be ashamed of not making perfect choices, the only things that should be written in stone are gravemarkers.

      And even then, sometimes there are errors on those that need to be fixed.

    4. Re:Blah blah blah. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Calling South Africa a "one party state" is insane. There are 13 parties represented in the assembly.

    5. Re:Blah blah blah. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Social security seems to be set in stone even though everyone knows it's broken and going to run out of money. These govt programs seem to gain entropy and never stop or get fixed.

    6. Re:Blah blah blah. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      And what would you know about South Africa politics? You've got it exactly backwards.

      The ANC still holds a massive lead over the other political parties although this is slowly eroding. Therefore by definition the other parties are opposition due to the way our political system is setup. Hint we have a westminster style parliment in South Africa. In addition while you may not know it the political parties have manifestos and even shadow minsters. Just because you don't know what they stand for doesn't mean they don't stand for anything.

      It's precisely because the under-educated masses (yay for a borked educational system for the last 20 odd years) sell their votes for a t-shirt, boerewors roll and election promises. Promises that include free, electricity, free water, free housing, free education well I'm sure you get the idea.

      The fact that the country can't really afford this is obviously not discussed nor is it understood. But it is an effective electioneering tactic.

      To be perfectly frank American politics seem to involve voting (or not voting because you've also got that freedom) for the big business party with a choice of Democrat or Republican branding. Fortunately for the powers that be in the US there is plenty of bread and circuses to keep the populace content.

      The budget deficit in the US is also unsustainable in the long run. You guys must enjoy being able to "print" the reserve currency while it lasts.

    7. Re:Blah blah blah. by codeButcher · · Score: 1

      I believe the term you are looking for is one-party dominant system. But yes, I agree with the gist of your post.

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    8. Re:Blah blah blah. by rvw · · Score: 0, Troll

      The budget deficit in the US is also unsustainable in the long run. You guys must enjoy being able to "print" the reserve currency while it lasts.

      Keeping the budget deficit high and preferably making it bigger is key to neoliberal politics. The higher the deficit, the less money is available for all those leftist / socialist / communist hobbies like healthcare plans, unemployment benefits etc. Obama has done his fair deal to repair things, like his healthcare plan, but the problems that Bush has created in eight years cannot be undone in eight years. That will take much longer.

    9. Re:Blah blah blah. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lol, the subject fits your post pretty well. That you (still!) see Obama as some kind of valiant savior out to make the US a better place and undo the evil deeds of that vile Bush just shows how deeply deluded the US electorate really is.

      Seriously, the only example you can come up with to support this is the complete entrenchment, by law, of the parasitic insurance companies and the requirement that every citizen must contribute to their profits. That doesn't totally reek of neoliberal antics... not all all! /s

    10. Re:Blah blah blah. by kilfarsnar · · Score: 1

      Social security seems to be set in stone even though everyone knows it's broken and going to run out of money. These govt programs seem to gain entropy and never stop or get fixed.

      The US government can print as much money as it wants. It literally cannot run out of money. So saying that Social Security will run out of money is incorrect. Sure, if the money supply grows too much faster than the overall economy it will lose value. But saying the Federal government doesn't have the money for something is just not the case.

      It's always amusing to me to see how money is discussed at the Federal level; we can't afford this, there's no money for that. It's a joke. The US government will always have money to do what it wants. It's always a political choice, not a monetary one.

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      "What the American public doesn't know is what makes them the American public." -Ray Zalinsky (Tommy Boy)
    11. Re:Blah blah blah. by bleh-of-the-huns · · Score: 1

      Obama has done his fair deal to repair things, like his healthcare plan, but the problems that Bush has created in eight years cannot be undone in eight years. That will take much longer.

      The same can be said for any president. Government moves at a glacial pace at most times. What one president fixes during his term was caused by a president many years prior, and at the same time, any problems the current president causes will take many years for the next one to fix. This is the way it is, and is not specific to Republicans or Democrats, or any political entity in any country for the most part.

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    12. Re:Blah blah blah. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      some are wanting to end the Post Office.

    13. Re:Blah blah blah. by lgw · · Score: 0

      saying that Social Security will run out of money is incorrect. Sure, if the money supply grows too much faster than the overall economy it will lose value. But saying the Federal government doesn't have the money for something is just not the case.

      But it's important to note that the Social Security Program will run out of money, and soon. By any honest accounting, it did in the 90s - there's nothing but IOUs left after that pool of funds was looted by Reagan/Bush/Clinton. It's all just fresh taxes now for outgoing payments.

      And, sure, it will never run out of dollars, but so what?

      "But, though we had plenty of money, there was nothing our money could buy" - Kipling, The Gods of the Copybook Headings

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      Socialism: a lie told by totalitarians and believed by fools.
    14. Re: Blah blah blah. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Indeed, though at least the honest among them will have to admit that the government will still need to cover its communications with citizens.

      Some won't even go that far.

    15. Re:Blah blah blah. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Money" is not the same as "paper".

      Sure you can print more money but if you don't back it with a loan or some other kind of security it will lose value and then you will need to spend more for everything else thus no money created, only more paper printed with no net effect of "more money".

      Sure trickery can temporarily make it seem like you have more money to pay for social security or whatever but it can't in the long run.

      If you want to pay for things with public funds you need a decently balanced budget or you will become Greece sooner or later.

    16. Re:Blah blah blah. by kilfarsnar · · Score: 1

      saying that Social Security will run out of money is incorrect. Sure, if the money supply grows too much faster than the overall economy it will lose value. But saying the Federal government doesn't have the money for something is just not the case.

      But it's important to note that the Social Security Program will run out of money, and soon. By any honest accounting, it did in the 90s - there's nothing but IOUs left after that pool of funds was looted by Reagan/Bush/Clinton. It's all just fresh taxes now for outgoing payments.

      And, sure, it will never run out of dollars, but so what?

      "But, though we had plenty of money, there was nothing our money could buy" - Kipling, The Gods of the Copybook Headings

      Those "IOU's" are treasury bonds. They are worth something. Sure, it's the government borrowing from itself. But since the government can always create dollars to pay that debt, it really doesn't matter to anyone but accountants.

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      "What the American public doesn't know is what makes them the American public." -Ray Zalinsky (Tommy Boy)
    17. Re:Blah blah blah. by kilfarsnar · · Score: 1

      "Money" is not the same as "paper".

      Sure you can print more money but if you don't back it with a loan or some other kind of security it will lose value and then you will need to spend more for everything else thus no money created, only more paper printed with no net effect of "more money".

      Sure trickery can temporarily make it seem like you have more money to pay for social security or whatever but it can't in the long run.

      If you want to pay for things with public funds you need a decently balanced budget or you will become Greece sooner or later.

      No, you don't. Greece got into the trouble it did because it did not have control of the Euro. It was more like a State or local government in the US; it had to tax in order to spend and it ran out of money. That can't happen to the US government. Greece got to a point where it couldn't pay its debts. The US government will always be able to pay its debts because it can create its own currency.

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      "What the American public doesn't know is what makes them the American public." -Ray Zalinsky (Tommy Boy)
    18. Re:Blah blah blah. by lgw · · Score: 1

      Those "IOU's" are treasury bonds. They are worth something.

      No, not in the usual sense. They used to be treasury bonds - the Social Security program would sell them on the bond market to raise funds. But Reagan/Bush/Clinton sold them all to mask the deficit. Now they really are just IOUs.

      It's exactly like taking a loan from your 401K. If before you had T-Bliss in your 401K, but then you borrow all that money for an emergency expense, now you just have a loan to yourself. Before, you could actually live off that money at retirement; after, you must earn new money before you can actually retire.

      It's important because it was a dirty scam on the taxpayers - everyone who paid SS taxes was effectively defrauded (and by both parties, of course). Like you say, in the end it's all taxes, but it changes the true amount of the debt, already staggeringly large. And unlike US treasuries, there's no constitutional requirement to meet out social security obligations (though I expect we will, and just suffer 10%+ inflation for many years, until no one can live on that check).

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      Socialism: a lie told by totalitarians and believed by fools.
  2. Does this mean... by BitwizeGHC · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    ... they want to get rid of the fookin' pr0ns?

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    1. Re:Does this mean... by MBGMorden · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Trust me. A government can keep the lower class down. They can tax us into oblivion, and take away most of our freedoms and we'll take it in stride. Take away the porn though, and the peasants will burn this bitch down.

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      "People who think they know everything are very annoying to those of us who do."-Mark Twain
    2. Re:Does this mean... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Porn is illegal in China, and the Chinese people are not rebelling. You fail to comprehend just how tolerant people can be of oppression.

    3. Re:Does this mean... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He was adapting a quote from District 9. In it, they use "prawns" as a derogatory term for the aliens.

  3. Is it unconstitutional? by seeker_1us · · Score: 1

    I haven't read their constitution.

    1. Re:Is it unconstitutional? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      do they even have one

    2. Re:Is it unconstitutional? by gman003 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Their Bill of Rights is very broad, covered in Chapter 2 of their constitution. Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer in any country, and this was my first time even reading their constitution, but it seems pretty obvious that it won't allow censorship of the internet.

      Section 16: "Everyone has the right to freedom of expression, which includes [...] freedom to receive or impart information or ideas"

      Section 32: "Everyone has the right of access to any information held by the state; and any information that is held by another person and that is required for the exercise or protection of any rights"

      Depending on implementation, if might also breach Section 14: "Everyone has the right to privacy, which includes the right not to have [...] the privacy of their communications infringed" ... I kinda want this bill of rights in my own country. Gotta say, it looks pretty nice.

    3. Re:Is it unconstitutional? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, of course not, guy. Merica is the only country in the entire world that has any form of government at all. It is the Merican duty to bring government to the barbaric darkie savages. WITH DRONES! MERICA FUCK YEAH!!!!!!!!!

    4. Re:Is it unconstitutional? by inasity_rules · · Score: 2

      It is a decent constitution, not perfect, but decent. However, the ruling party has enough of a majority to change that. The big issue is they are running scared because various unpopular policies are fast eroding voter support. Africa still hasn't got the hang of democracy quite yet, and they think that controlling the media will perhaps allow them to control votes.

      With regards to censorship, this will likely land in the constitutional court and be struck down. Other things have. Either that or you won't see me on /. again until I get myself a nice anonymizing proxy. Good thing I don't use my real name here. :P

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    5. Re:Is it unconstitutional? by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      Who cares what the 'law' says? Just find a way around it, and let the tyrants cry.

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    6. Re:Is it unconstitutional? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If its anything like Americans and their constitution, the South Africans don't bother to read theirs either.

    7. Re:Is it unconstitutional? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The ruling party does NOT have "enough of a majority to change that". A two-thirds majority is required to change the constitution. The ANC is at only 62%.

    8. Re:Is it unconstitutional? by inasity_rules · · Score: 1

      And nobody can be bought.

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    9. Re:Is it unconstitutional? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yup, there's no way that could possibly swing up to 66.6% by the next election...

    10. Re:Is it unconstitutional? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Considering they have been losing votes over the past few elections, it's rather unlikely.

    11. Re:Is it unconstitutional? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Yes. Here it is. As constitutions go, it's pretty decent. Plus, unlike in some other countries, it genuinely is the highest law of the land.

    12. Re:Is it unconstitutional? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The US Constitution prevents the NSA from scooping up everyone's communications, too.

    13. Re:Is it unconstitutional? by bleh-of-the-huns · · Score: 1

      No, it only prevents them from scooping up US communications, the NSA's actual mandate is to do whatever it wants outside the US, however a loophole in many of the rulings and laws allow them to practically scoop up all US communications. Close the loophole, and hopefully it would solve the problem, however I do not see that happening.

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    14. Re:Is it unconstitutional? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then they will just buy that information from France, or Sweden or Iran or whoever they trade secrets with that month.

  4. easy solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    just execute everyone on the " Film & Publication Board". what do they even need to exist for?

  5. Dumb Idea. by Howitzer86 · · Score: 1

    Sounds unworkable and unenforceable.

    1. Re:Dumb Idea. by everythingistaken · · Score: 1

      That's part of the problem: it's only enforceable on a case-by-case basis.
      It's one of those laws that will only get used when you're already going after someone.

  6. Re:Niggers run the country and now they are marxis by cheater512 · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    Hmm I'm starting to see why the South African government is doing this.

    'godless' is particularly funny on slashdot.

  7. funny... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How it's always the third world, communists or highly religious countries that tries to censor the internet... They really don't want their people to know better, eh.

    1. Re: funny... by einar.petersen · · Score: 2

      Yeah because there has been no talk of censoring the internet in the free world in any way whatsoever for the last few months...

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    2. Re: funny... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There has been talk of censoring the Internet in the free world for as long as the Internet has existed. Your long-term memory only goes back a few months, doesn't it? Obama is and always has been The Leader, isn't that right?

    3. Re: funny... by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

      Please engage sarcasm detector before posting next time.

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  8. Ace in the hole - AC repost by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Fuck the tyranny! Please read below.

    Fundamental Concepts - Weakness Invites Aggression [Weirddave]
    —Open Blogger

    It's human nature to live in your own bubble. We have only experienced the world that we live in, so naturally many people assume that the world as it is is its default state. In order to move beyond this paradigm, one must first be introspective enough to recognize it, then take the time and effort to study history and culture to examine whether your norm is anything at all like the human norm through history. Often times this forces one to confront truths that may be, like life, nasty and brutish. For example, students are taught today that the shameful reality of slavery in America is somehow unique and uniquely horrible. It is only through further study that one discovers that slavery has been practiced in almost all human cultures for as long as human beings have been around. In fact, it was the hated Judeo-Christian civilization that recognized it for the evil that it is and fought to eliminate it. Slavery is still practiced today across much of the Arab world and in vast swaths of Africa. What little slavery remains in the West (sex slavery) is universally condemned and vigorously prosecuted. Recognizing that slavery is not a uniquely American phenomenon, and that there is still lots of it around can be a distressing challenge to a world view that has been unexamined. Acknowledging that the West is the only culture in the history of mankind that has for all practical purposes eradicated it can destroy that world view.

    The same thing is true with peace. Almost everyone wants peace, the problem is that we've had peace in this country for so long that most people don't recognize it for the aberration that it is. Because of this, a curiously contradictory mindset holds sway over a large segment of the population, most of them on the left side of the political spectrum. It goes something like this: "Well, we want peace, so we'll just refuse to fight. If we refuse to fight, the other guy will have no reason to fight us." If you point out to them that the other guy just might not want peace, you'll get a predictable response: " Well, since peace is the default state of the world, if we can figure out what we did to make the other guy mad at us and desirous of war, and make it up to him, then he'll feel comfortable with allowing the default state to resume."

    The problem is, of course, that peace isn't the default state of the world, war is. Human beings are predators, and we are genetically designed to be in competition with other human beings, either individually or in groups. If group A has something group B wants, the natural instinct of group B is to attack group A and take it. The only way that group A can prevent this from happening is to be stronger than group B. For centuries, the Mongol tribes roamed the countryside of Mongolia, squabbling with and fighting each other. The great neighboring dynasties, the Xia and Jin, had little to fear from the Mongols beyond nuisance raids, because they were stronger. Then Temujin united the tribes, assumed the title Genghis Khan, and swept both empires off the face of the earth. The empires had enjoyed peace for generations - because they were strong. When they ceased to be stronger than their foes, they soon ceased to be entirely.

    So what? Primitives. Barbarians. Savages. We're different now. Civilized. Cultured. Superior.

    I hate to break it to you, but we're not. 13th century man is behaviorally identical to modern man. 8 centuries is nowhere near long enough for that kind of evolutionary change in the human animal. People are...people. Always have been, always will be. The reason that we've enjoyed centuries of peace in America (even our wars haven't been fought here since the 1860s) is because we've been strong enough that nobody has had the ability to fight us over here, and we've had the ability to go fight them over there when we needed to. There is nothing about this situation that is written in stone. Our hom

    1. Re:Ace in the hole - AC repost by meta-monkey · · Score: 1

      No idea what that has to do with South Africa, but with regards to:

      Bill Clinton gave Ukraine a rock solid guarantee of protection in return for them giving up their nukes to ensure "peace".

      This is untrue.

      The pertinent parts of the agreement:

      1. The Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the United States of America reaffirm their commitment to Ukraine, in accordance with the principles of the Final Act of the Conference on Security and Cooperation in Europe, to respect the independence and sovereignty and the existing borders of Ukraine.

      2. The Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the United States of America reaffirm their obligation to refrain from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of Ukraine, and that none of their weapons will ever be used against Ukraine except in self-defence or otherwise in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations.

      There's another four bullet points but they're mainly about not nuking Ukraine. The parties to the agreement all said they would not attack Ukraine. Not once do they say anything about coming to Ukraine's defense if they're attacked. The United States said "we will not attack Ukraine." The United States did not say "we will defend Ukraine." There is a big difference.

      Yes, Russia broke the treaty by attacking Ukraine. But the United States did not break the treaty by not attacking Russia in response. The US was under no obligation to do so.

      Also, the Ukrainians weren't really giving up their nukes to "ensure peace." They were giving up their nukes because nukes are fucking expensive to maintain.

      On what the correct political or military response of the United States to the Ukrainian/Russian conflict should be I make no comment. But it is completely incorrect to say America broke the Ukrainian disarmament agreement. They did exactly what they said they would do: not attack Ukraine.

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  9. District 9 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It was a movie and not an instruction book.

  10. Good Luck South Africa! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Good Luck South Africa!

  11. Internet is overrated by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Bunch of facebooking yaksack twitheads. Who the fuck even

  12. BLIMEY! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Crykie! Cricket! Haggis!

  13. Yup... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...good luck with that.

  14. Re:Niggers run the country and now they are marxis by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    Mandela was a ... MARXIST ...

    According Wikipedia, South Africa's post-apartheid economy was mostly shaped by the World Bank's trickle-down theories:

    The early ANC envisioned a more socialist South Africa, but this was unpopular with businessmen, foreign politicians, and the established media. For example, Mandela strongly supported nationalizing banking, mining, and monopolies, but was forced to change this goal due to pressures from stock traders and international economic entities like the World Bank. The World Bank encouraged the new South African government to promote the growth of the private sector, which trickle-down economics theory proposes will create jobs that will alleviate poverty.

  15. So What? by tquasar · · Score: 1

    Don't care. And a link I would never goto.

  16. Are you surprised? by einar.petersen · · Score: 3, Interesting

    How different is this from the childish and immature attempts if the Indian government to attempt censoring the BBC documentary just a few days ago on a world wide scale. Truth is that so called governments in many so called democratic countries are scared beyond comprehension and are feverishly trying to put the genie that the internet is back into the bottle for the internet allows the public to expose the lies and manipulations they engage in on a global scale instantly to billions at the time. All free people if South Africa must stand up to this sort of censorship as must the rest of the world. For it is through free open and uncensored communication we can win back the freedom that these types are trying to pry from us under different guises. I wish you find the courage to send this proposal back into the landfill of oppression from where it was dug up and dismiss the types that have come up with the proposal from their job. For they have forgotten that it is you they serve and not the other way around!

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    1. Re:Are you surprised? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      once a space based (or a long distance radio link this might need open hardware/software too ) internet transport
      along with a encrypted open source ground system (hardware & software)

      they will never stop it anywhere on earth.

      censorship will not stand

    2. Re:Are you surprised? by tepples · · Score: 1

      Space-based Internet transport exists. National regulators of the radio frequency spectrum can arrest, try, and imprison people for using it without a license.

  17. Who cares if it's "unconstitutional"? by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

    Just find a way to circumvent it and the problem is solved

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    “He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
    1. Re:Who cares if it's "unconstitutional"? by codeButcher · · Score: 1

      By the way the SA society has been groomed to be accepting of public disobedience, from the struggle against apartheit to the disregard for the Gauteng freeway tolling, that may just happen. Especially on the internet.

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      Free, as in your money being freed from the confines of your account.
  18. Just send your cat videos. by marka63 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The way to defeat stupid laws like this is for everyone to actually send everything they intend to upload to the ratings board then to complain when you don't get a rating back in a timely manner to their representative.

    1. Re:Just send your cat videos. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's not going to make them work any faster. As a resident of the country, standing in queues here is the norm and no-one gives a damn about complaints. Apathy has killed many a good idea.

    2. Re:Just send your cat videos. by Jason+Levine · · Score: 1

      That was my first thought also. The problem is that the government would likely say that you need to wait for approval before publishing online - no matter how long the wait. So you go to share your cute video of your baby with your relatives online via YouTube, submit it to the government for approval, and get the approval just in time for your baby to leave for college. (I'm sure any South African business that makes money from posting content online would be able to pay the government extra for rush approval. The rest of the people can just shut up and wait in line like good little drones.)

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  19. An attack on one is an attack on us all by SigmaTao · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Control is regulated by information and the access to information. Those who allow themselves to give up access to information give up their ability to determine their own destiny.
    In years past, the elite weren't just the financially powerful but those with the greatest control over and access to, information (points at the medieval elite and Roman Catholic church use of Latin as an example).
    It was only the elite that could read and write. It was only the elite that had books. It was only the elite that were educated. With the advent of industrialisation, the drones needed more information to function, and so education became desirable. Even then, the access to information was restricted.
    The rise of journalism, allowed people to know about their leaders and power brokers in ways that were previously unavailable. Even then, there were strict controls over the flow of information.
    With the wide spread availability of the web, those restrictions were wiped away to a greater extent, and governments and power brokers have been attempting to curtail that flow ever since. People need to at least acknowledge how important the free flow of information is to their ability to pursue their freedoms, otherwise that access to information and the pursuit of those freedoms will be lost.
    Governments need to inspire, be honest, and educate their populaces, instead of trying to dumb them down and put them back into the corner. Leading people by hiding what you do and how you do it is no longer an acceptable way of getting what you want.
    Governments should not tell people what they are allowed to know. Attempting to categorise all information, in an information age, is simply unattainable. People must ultimately take responsibility for the information they receive, not leave it to others to make that decision on their behalf. We are not children. If they allow others to make those decisions, they won't ever get to know what they don't know. They are lost.
    If the legislation is created in one country, how much easier is it to copy it to others? We have seen this with the "three strikes" policies. We have seen it with the "war on terror" eavesdropping legislation. We've seen it with the "think about the children" memes demanding controls over the kinds of information that can flow. I feel the general population is sleepwalking their way into another dark age of control being out of their hands. Their education has failed them. They don't understand technology enough to know what their freedoms depend on. It is seriously depressing.

  20. But....but...Mandela.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hang on...I thought South Africa was now a utopian paradise because the niggers were in charge ?

    You mean to say it's just another run of the mill African shithole now ???

    Say it isn't so !!!!!

  21. How's that black self-rule working out for you? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As well as the others.

  22. Take that Turkey by MrL0G1C · · Score: 1

    Ha, Take that Turkey, South Africa just out-dumbed you big time, watcha gonna do now, ban the internet worldwide?

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    1. Re:Take that Turkey by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No India already has dibs on that one ;)

  23. Re:Niggers run the country and now they are marxis by haruchai · · Score: 2

    When will we learn not to confuse trolls with facts?

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  24. Can the FCC be far behind... by ZecretZquirrel · · Score: 1

    in so regulating this public utility?

  25. Re:Niggers run the country and now they are marxis by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Calling someone both "Godless" and "Satanic" is a contradiction in terms.

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  26. Re:Niggers run the country and now they are marxis by kilfarsnar · · Score: 1

    Mandela was a ... MARXIST ...

    According Wikipedia, South Africa's post-apartheid economy was mostly shaped by the World Bank's trickle-down theories:

    The early ANC envisioned a more socialist South Africa, but this was unpopular with businessmen, foreign politicians, and the established media. For example, Mandela strongly supported nationalizing banking, mining, and monopolies, but was forced to change this goal due to pressures from stock traders and international economic entities like the World Bank. The World Bank encouraged the new South African government to promote the growth of the private sector, which trickle-down economics theory proposes will create jobs that will alleviate poverty.

    John Perkins was right.

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  27. Re:Niggers run the country and now they are marxis by bleh-of-the-huns · · Score: 1

    This may have worked to, however when Mandela was replaced, it all went to shit pretty quick.

    Go read this http://www.moneyweb.co.za/arch... to give you a pretty good idea of how things are. The current president is a moron. Thabo Mbeki, slightly less a moron, but still a moron.

    Mandela had lofty goals, and I truly (as a white person no less, who grew up in South Africa) believe he had the best intentions, but his successors have done nothing but consolidate power and money, cronyism is rife in SA, they are the cause of many of the problems. Eskom used to be at the forefront of power generation and research, and now, they can barely keep the lights on. As of today, they are currently practicing load shedding (think planned.. or in many cases un rolling blackouts).

    Until the current parties figure out how to replace the stupid people with those who have the best interests of the country at heart, instead of their own power and finances, nothing will change. In that respect, SA is very similar to the US, voting along party lines rather than voting for the best candidate.

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  28. Re:Niggers run the country and now they are marxis by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    LeVey Satanists are all atheists. So not really

  29. Re:Niggers run the country and now they are marxis by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

    Then they're not Satanists. Really.

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  30. Re:Niggers run the country and now they are marxis by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes they are, they are just using the meaning of the word satan to mean advisary not as a name of the Devil (of the bible).

    They don't worship the devil but they are Satanists because that's what they named themselves.

  31. Re:Niggers run the country and now they are marxis by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Be aware that the writing style strongly suggests that GP is from the USA and pretending to South African. Racists here employ a variety of derogatory terms, but "nigger" isn't one of them. Most likely GP is putting up an act purely in an attempt to get people riled up (i.e. trolling).