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Strange Stars Pulse To the Golden Mean

An anonymous reader sends this excerpt from an article at Quanta Magazine: What struck John Learned about the blinking of KIC 5520878, a bluish-white star 16,000 light-years away, was how artificial it seemed. Learned, a neutrino physicist at the University of Hawaii, Mnoa, has a pet theory that super-advanced alien civilizations might send messages by tickling stars with neutrino beams, eliciting Morse code-like pulses. "It's the sort of thing tenured senior professors can get away with," he said. The pulsations of KIC 5520878, recorded recently by NASA's Kepler telescope, suggested that the star might be so employed.

A "variable" star, KIC 5520878 brightens and dims in a six-hour cycle, seesawing between cool-and-clear and hot-and-opaque. Overlaying this rhythm is a second, subtler variation of unknown origin; this frequency interplays with the first to make some of the star's pulses brighter than others. In the fluctuations, Learned had identified interesting and, he thought, possibly intelligent sequences, such as prime numbers (which have been floated as a conceivable basis of extraterrestrial communication). He then found hints that the star's pulses were chaotic. But when Learned mentioned his investigations to a colleague, William Ditto, last summer, Ditto was struck by the ratio of the two frequencies driving the star's pulsations. "I said, 'Wait a minute, that's the golden mean.'"

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  1. Wild guess, 5 stars by emacs_abuser · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Wikipedia says the golden ratio is related to 5 sided figures (pentagrams).

    Clearly, we're seeing 5 stars in mutual orbit.

    Yeah, wild guess.

    1. Re:Wild guess, 5 stars by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Clearly, we're seeing 5 stars in mutual orbit.

      With a six hour orbit?

      Yeah, wild guess.

      Very wild. The aliens are more plausible.

    2. Re:Wild guess, 5 stars by invictusvoyd · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The golden ratio has been observed in nature , in flowers etc . It could be a natural occurrence . One thing is for sure , the star must be one beautiful star .

    3. Re:Wild guess, 5 stars by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 4, Informative

      As the next paragraph from the article would have explained, had it not been arbitrarily excluded from the copy-paste summary.

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  2. Ok That's Pretty Freaky by Greyfox · · Score: 4, Interesting

    But this is sort of thing that was the reason behind all the early mathematicians being batshit crazy. Math is man's model of the universe and it's always been a good enough model that you start discovering all sorts of stuff in math that exactly mirrors the world around us. You start to think maybe there's some hidden power there, that maybe math can predict everything. Then you form a cult and start attracting followers and have to be put down by the government of the time. Er, or something. And that's just some one-trick hack with a lever or a screw or something. Imagine what would have happened if one of those guys had stumbled across hyperbolic geometry. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure it was a very nice lever, but it didn't even go into the 4th dimension! I mean... er... what were we talking about again?

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    1. Re:Ok That's Pretty Freaky by DigiShaman · · Score: 4, Informative

      Pi (film), 1998

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

      Yeah, I'm a fan of Darren Aronofsky

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    2. Re:Ok That's Pretty Freaky by iluvcapra · · Score: 3, Informative

      The difference between Pi and the golden ratio is that the golden ratio isn't transcendental, it's just irrational. In fact, you can state Phi perfectly as (1 + sqrt(5)) / 2.

      Yeah, I'm a fan of Darren Aronofsky

      He should pay his PAs better.

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  3. Still marveling at by turning+in+circles · · Score: 3, Funny

    "It's the sort of thing tenured professors can get away with." I'm thinking I need to rethink my career path right away and become a tenured professor.

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    1. Re:Still marveling at by FooAtWFU · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Whoa, dude. Tenured professor? I dunno, maybe you should aim for something more achievable -- like, an astronaut, or a world-famous basketball star.

      I'm only exaggerating a little. :b

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    2. Re:Still marveling at by symes · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Being a tenured prof facilitates blue sky thinking, but you are still expected to do all that other stuff such as sit on endless committees, do proper research, teach people, write papers and bring in research money. It is not all fairy lights and golden means!

  4. I don't get it by fisted · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Isn't the only noteworthy thing about the golden ration that it appears so often in our world? So what's surprising about it showing up in a different location of the same world?

    1. Re:I don't get it by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Insightful

      So what's surprising about it showing up in a different location of the same world?

      It shows up in biological systems that are fractal, such as the spiral of a pine cone, or the distance between branches on a tree. But there is nothing (that we know of) that is fractal about a star.

      Btw, for an excellent introduction to the Golden Ratio, watch Donald Duck in Mathematics Land.

    2. Re:I don't get it by Livius · · Score: 4, Insightful

      But there is nothing (that we know of) that is fractal about a star.

      Nothing that we know of... yet.

    3. Re:I don't get it by RJFerret · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Actually most systems are chaotic, not like this star, or the other stars also exhibiting this behavior. In fact researchers had been seeking such behavior somewhere, and produced it in a lab just to see it happen at all.

      One theory is that it's inherent stability is the result of self selection.

      I just skimmed the article as nighttime reading so forgive (and correct) misinterpretations please.

  5. Non-Falsifiability by dorpus · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Similar claims have been made about how human anatomy allegedly conforms to mathematical constants. But when we make actual measurements of individuals, nobody fits the constants perfectly. What is the allowed margin of error? One can make just about any number be close to some "elegant" mathematical constant -- pi/2, pi^2, e/phi, whatever.

    Similarly, today I just judged a paper about childhood obesity submitted to a scientific journal. Childhood obesity is confounded with low socioeconomic status, so how do we separate the two? Of course, children of lower socioeconomic status have poorer outcomes in terms of health, occupation, and mortality. (Incidentally, the children with the worst outcomes in terms of future health, income, and mortality are the underweight kids who look like walking skeletons. Most scientific papers on obesity exclude that population.)

  6. Well it's better than blasting out a radio signal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I mean, a radio signal that's readily detectable by primitive civilizations like ours, assumedely the only reason to blast out a fantastically strong signal at all in all directions instead of a tightbeam, would take more energy than all of human civilization produces slammed into one radio transmitter just to be "heard" as it were. A huge engineering product just to say "Hello World" or "Hello Galaxy" as it were.

    On the other hand, we already look at stars as it is, and all they do is blast out radiation. If you could fluctuate it to a noticeable degree that would save a lot of energy versus actually producing all that energy yourself, and besides all the energy being flung out by the star is going to be lost as it is. Might as well use it for something.

  7. Re:Sacred Geometry in action by Rick+in+China · · Score: 3, Interesting

    You may like to pick up and learn something of Cellular Automata, if you're astonished by and interested in the relationships between math and nature, it may help provide some concepts that fold the two together in extremely interesting ways.

  8. Neither do I... by robbak · · Score: 4, Informative

    Golden ratios emerge wherever you have a relationship of T(n)=T(n-1) + T(n-2). Where the first two terms are 0 and 1, you have fibonacci numbers: but no matter what your starting numbers are, the ratio between T(n) and T(n-1) will approach phi (as demonstrated with 'brady numbers').

    So it is not at all surprising that phi might crop up in seemingly strange places.

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  9. Not much of a coincidence by Celarent+Darii · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The two numbers Phi and Pi are actually related by trigonometry, so it is hardly surprising that they would show up in a ratio concerning the rotation of stars.

    If you divide a circle into 5 sections of 2*Pi/5 each you will get the five points of a pentagon, whose dimensions are all based on phi relationships [i.e. the Golden Mean]. Thus one can state:

    2 * cos (Pi / 5) = Phi or
    2 * sin (Pi / 5) = sqrt ( 3 - Phi )

    or even better:

    Pi = 5 arccos (Phi / 2)

    that is,

    Phi = 1 - 2 * cos (3 * Pi / 5)

    So it is not entirely strange that the simple harmonic motion of a star could be expressed as some ratio of Phi.

    It's all numbers, numbers all the way down.

  10. Contact! by aglider · · Score: 3, Informative

    An already seen movie
    Besides that, I just noticed that it's a 6+ years old article.

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  11. Re:I propose a law by Intrepid+imaginaut · · Score: 3, Interesting

    You presume that their reasons for doing so are benevolent.

    After all, species which have the ability to first of all see these stars and secondly understand their meaning are probably going to head in that direction as soon as they can, meaning they're young and not very scientifically advanced compared to a civilisation that can manipulate stars on an almost unimaginable scale. Scout ships get captured, their source traced, and rival civilisations extinguished in their infancy.

    It could be a megaengineered honey trap.