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Why Israel Could Be the Next Cybersecurity World Power
jfruh writes: Beersheba is a small town in southern Israel, more than an hour's drive away from Tel Aviv and the bulk of the country's population. But the city is a hotbed of cybersecurity startups driven in part by a graduate program at the local university and the country's military and intelligence apparatus's keen interest in the subject. "To become such a cyber nexus, any place has to have several ingredients: A great university with a solid computer science department with a penchant for security research. Check. Several industry partners who have set up their own research and innovation laboratories nearby, to take advance of the cheap labor pool of graduate students. Check. An active venture capitalist operation that can fund startups is also essential, along with mentors who can help entrepreneurs along. Double check. And finally some solid support for local and national government to grease the wheels of progress. Check."
What kind of yahoo is running that country anyhow?
I feel safer already...
"If any question why we died, Tell them because our fathers lied."
Hey buddy, take it up with Allah, he made them the Chosen People, not us.
Stop interning the Palestinian populace. Allow the Palestinians to have their land back as per UN Resolutions. Let them have freedom of mobility, the chance to build a viable economy and rights as a regular citizen, not a second class citizen. No justice, no peace.
"SO we bide our time, waiting for a purer kick to bloom and the future is still bleak, uncertain and beautiful" -GSYBE
I wonder if there's any way or system to confirm those are not an old hoax/fake.
The bible has plenty of similar peace loving statements of equality and acceptance. The difference is not what exactly is in each holy book, but how followers interpret those words: as laws, suggestions or stories. Christians and jews generally do not go around killing non-believers and transgressors of holy law, nor do many of them think they should. Muslims however have frequent and violent clashes over holy texts (with each other), and in many muslim countries the nastiest kinds of holy rules have been set into law. In addition, many of the "moderate" muslims who might profess to be against violently taking the law into their own hands, will still proclaim the koran to be law over and above the law of men, and will explicitly agree with (for example) a death sentence for apostacy.
Islam is not a religion like any other, not by a long shot. From a humanitarion point of view it is worse than the others both in word and in practice. With that said, every person deserves to be treated according to their own actions and convictions, not to those of others.
If construction was anything like programming, an incorrectly fitted lock would bring down the entire building...
At least he narrowed it down my specifying the Jewish Talmud so we don't waste a bunch of time combing through, say, the Eastern Orthodox Pastafarian Talmud.
It's called "Google". It points here.
Short answer: they are either misquotes or ourright fakes.
Shachar
There is but we'd have to kill you afterwards, see rule #3 above.
Jew, Christian, Muslim. The hardcore fanatics always scare the shit out of me. And you would be hard-pressed to find anyone outside of ISIS and Al-Quaida more fanatical than Mossad and its crazy Zionist ilk. The thought of them having cyber-weapons is scary. But much more scary is the thought that we actually gave those religious crazies nuclear weapons.
SJW's don't eliminate discrimination. They just expropriate it for themselves.
While this may certainly be true, it does not ameliorate the fact that the notion of a Jewish *state* is inherently and inescapably racist.
Denying this would necessarily lead to acceptance of an Aryan state, and that didn't really work out well, did it?
In fact, denying that a Jewish *state* is racist is a subtle form of Holocaust denial, in that it would require insistence that the Holocaust was not an act of racism, but solely of anti-Jewishness. This conclusion would be neither factually nor morally correct.
While I can understand and support the idea of a Jewish homeland, it is difficult to see how encapsulating it in a Jewish *state* can be anything but unjust. I believe that the state of Israel is doomed, but not from any outside forces. Its fatal flaw lies within. Israel and I happen to have been born in the same year. It will be interesting to see who dies first.
Way to oversimplify a very complex geo-political situation.
First you have a nation that is in the the area considered a holy land for the Jewish, Christian, and Muslim. Jewish religion was first there, then Christianity branched off from it. Then Muslim was a way to try to merge the two back together. So they all have claim to say this area is their roots. The facts about the religions isn't as much of an issue, but the differences in cultures that rooted from people with the religions. The Jewish population is largely from Christian europe so culturally the Jewish and Christians are rather similar. The Muslims are more from the middle east and north Africa. So there are two different cultures meeting in the middle as Israel is the center point between Europe, Middle East and Northern Africa.
After WWII the Jewish were given Israel, kinda like a double edge blade, to make reparations for the holocaust, and because most of the populations were still so anti-semitic that they didn't want them in their own back door. So they chose Israel as it wasn't controlled by a major power. So we have a group of people who had suffered a hard time, moving to an area where the existing population really didn't want them there anyways, but being backed by large superpowers meant they had more power. When your group is in power, you will try to expand your cultural values. This causes more conflict on the area.
Because of the conflict both sides are feeling that the other are against them, so they preemptive position themselves to protect against the other, which then creates more conflict.
If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
I wonder if there's any way or system to confirm those are not an old hoax/fake.
I'd hazard a guess they come as an appendix to that old favourite The Protocols of the Elders of Zion.
To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
The people who made Superfish are Israeli as are Komodia the people behind the MTIM exploit.
Check, check, check, fucking check, check, check, check, check, check, check, check and don't forget to fucking check, check, check, check...
http://www.acetonestudio.com
Actual Israeli here, with family in Beersheva, happy to answer questions. ;tldr, the article is bs, no one wants to live and work in Beersheva and don't confuse a few offices with a new silicon valley - here's why below.
Not sure where the author is getting his information from, but this article is dubious, albeit in an innocent way. First of all, let me explain that Beersheva is hardly a cosmopolitan city. It is a place most famous in Israel for cheap living until the last couple of decades, our version of guidos/greasers (arsim), and for housing one of the largest influxes of former Soviet immigrants after the flood of them we had pre/post fall of the Soviet Union. It is a place that no one really chooses to go, only to leave. Many of the people there were put there when they immigrated because it was cheap to build and the going theory besides developing the desert in the South was to also have a line of defense against Egyptian advances that traditionally marched up towards the heart of Israel via Beersheva.
So if Beersheva sucks, why are these businesses opening and why do people live there? Well generally, people just are stuck there or can't afford anywhere else. One of the largest problems and why this article may have even a hint of truth is that living in Israel is expensive relative to our per-capita incomes. Really expensive. Most of the country lives in the center, and not so shockingly, the center is really really expensive. As you can imagine, a lot of people would love to move somewhere cheaper, less crowded, more natural, etc. One option, highly encouraged at times by the government is to move to the periphery which to many Israelis essentially starts in the area of Beersheva in the South, and North of Haifa and the Kneret (Sea of Galillee I believe in English) in the North. In Hebrew we'd refer to this area as the end of the world, or how do you get to Beersheva - turn left at the end of the world. Before you start in with your naive and ridiculous comments, no, this does not include the West Bank or Gaza (glad we got that out of the way, but I expect the usual lunatics).
So enough background, why else is this article bs:
1. Ben Gurion University is hardly well-respected in Israel. It is known to be incredibly left-leaning in a way that even liberal people often detest and has been the subject of a lot of controversy. More importantly, no one in Israel really cares where you went to school. If they do care and you went to an Israeli university for tech, God help you if it was not the Technion. At best you can get someone to admit that Hebrew University's computer science department is not so bad.
2. Beersheva was/is under constant rocket threat. The property values in these areas is considered dubious in the future, especially given the obvious range of Hamas rockets in relation to Beersheva. Hint: people in Beersheva heard a lot of sirens last war. A lot.
3. There are much nicer, cheaper places in Israel for smaller tech firms who don't care about recruiting from the pool of people in Tel Aviv/center.
4. The traffic crush to Beersheva is unreal by Israeli standards. The infrastructure in and around Beersheva is not good enough to support a large amount of people coming and going every day, so no one is going to want to commute there to avoid living there. Commuting in Israel is just not something people generally do, especially not multiple hour commutes if they can avoid it. My wife does commute between Tel Aviv and Jerusalem a few times a week, but only out of necessity and the fact we can't afford to give up our apartment we own here and buy a new one in Jerusalem. Moreover, given the prices of gas and the fact that cars are egregiously expensive in this country, most people aren't even able to commute on a daily basis.
5. Apparently the author has never met actual Israelis in tech. They are all "security" experts. This is exacerbated since many of them spent years writing crappy VB forms for security companies here like Checkpoint
Better a Yahoo than some damn dirty Houyhnhnm.
the preceding comment is my own and in no way reflects the opinion of the Joint Chiefs of Staff
The bible has plenty of similar peace loving statements of equality and acceptance. The difference is not what exactly is in each holy book, but how followers interpret those words: as laws, suggestions or stories.
Well, there's also context - is the cherry-picked verse part of a story/parable, part of an instruction, a no-kidding commandment, addressed to a specific individual or group ...what? Also, was the quoted text later superseded by later teachings/events (especially if we're talking about Christian Theology, which explicitly has the New Testament superseding and eliminating a lot of stuff in the Old)?
Far too many sophomoric lines of argument conveniently ignore such things (and are thus easily destroyed), but, if you'll pardon the pun, the devil is in the details. :)
Quo usque tandem abutere, Nimbus, patientia nostra?
"It is every Jew's Duty to kill as many GOY as possible" - Abraham Lincoln, the world's first jew
You are an ignorant semi-literate idiot. Go away.
the fact that you believe these quotes is what's scary. at least not all non-jews are as anti-semitic as you are.
OTOH, jesus was jewish, and the talmud is also the bible for christians, and that not with standing, even the new testament has horrible stuff in it if you seek to cherry pick from it, and WRT supremacist nonsense, christians also believe that jews are the chosen people, so they are no less supremacist in their views.
My God can beat up your God. Just kidding...don't take offense. I know there's no God.
While this may certainly be true, it does not ameliorate the fact that the notion of a Jewish *state* is inherently and inescapably racist.
1) Race != Religion. ( 'the hell are mods thinking these days?)
2) The context of the time: Millions of your fellow worshippers were just slaughtered wholesale because of their religion, no one lifted a hand to stop it until it threatened them, and now that it's over no one really gives a shit about you. Meanwhile at least one superpower (the USSR) is still actively hunting down what few Jews live in their borders. Yeah, fuck that. Time to find a place where we can at least stand up for ourselves, and hey - the British promised that such a place was available in one of their colonial holdings, and BTW, that place happens to be your ancestral homeland! Makes perfect fucking sense in light of all that...
3) Vatican City is a nation-state based on one religion - not much racism going on there. No one complains about that because their 'army' (if you want to call it that) is on loan from Switzerland, and they're not surrounded by folks from an opposing religion who are actively out to eliminate them (quite the opposite, actually).
4) Regarding: Denying this would necessarily lead to acceptance of an Aryan state - you forgot one small detail: If 1930's Germany had stayed within their pre-existing borders, they could've had this alleged "Aryan" state with the world's indifferent blessing.
Quo usque tandem abutere, Nimbus, patientia nostra?
race war now!
u do realize that every country in europe is a christian state, with the exception of turkey which is a muslim state? and nearly every state in the middle east is an arab and muslim state? it's no different, except that jews had lost their state and were stateless for a long time, until recently. you are a racist evil person who can't see the equivalence through your hate.
My God can beat up your God. Just kidding...don't take offense. I know there's no God.
Those assholes are committing genocide and you , double faced American scum, are doing nothing.
We should help them. Send them napalm. Bigger bombs. And please send your address to. America wants to bomb you too.
The same Jews who pulled off 9/11 and then used it as an excuse to get 'goyim' to attack Israel's enemies in the Middle East. Sure... we trust you with 'cybersecurity'...
Scary stuff. It explains a lot though.
WTF does this actually explain?
At least not all of the Jewish people subscribe to this supremacist nonsense.
Try none. No Jews believe the crap posted above. The only ones who believe it are the idiots who posted it.
This is certainly a new claim for me. Can you suggest any further information on the topic? Googling has been quite unfruitful.
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I think you're not taking into account the other one:
Szaaloth-Utszabot, The Book of Jore Dia 33: "A Jew must always speak the truth except when writing passages of the Talmud, in which case he can lie about making false oaths, which of course he wouldn't be able to make according to Szaaloth-Utszabot, The Book of Jore Dia 33."
The company I work for hired a few security consultants from GE that were based out of Isreal to conduct a cybersecurity training seminar, and holy shit. These guys definitely knew what they were talking about. Easily one of the most valuable training seminars I have ever attended.
With the backing of the US Government can do whatever they want.
> Why Israel Could Be the Next Cybersecurity World Power
Because they create the very threats cybersecurity is meant to protect against. (Or they task their "Five Eyes" minions to create those threats at tehir own costs.) It's not like Iran is creating and distributing Stuxnet, Tilded, etc.
They are mostly taken way out of context and grossly distorted. On top of that the Talmud itself is a collection of debates and offhand comments. Saying something is in the Talmud is a lot like saying it is in Federalist papers, it is not saying it is a point of law.
So for example to take one of the less offensive ones touching wine makes it unclean. The context there is that wine blessed to an idol isn't kosher. As a Jew if you are ambiguous whether wine has or has not been blessed to an idol don't drink it. That's the meaning. The above has it appear as racist when the discussion in context is not shockingly about wine not about gentiles.
If anybody wants the context, there is a project to translate the classical Jewish sources: http://www.sefaria.org/texts
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" Jewish religion was first there " Wrong, there were several religions in the region before Judaism was even conceived.
So there are contradictory passages. Once you have contradictions in a logical system, you can infer anything you want. Which is, of course, what religions and religious leaders tend to do: they can find a justification for any of their actions after the fact, and find condemnation for anything they don't like.
Why this fixation with the Talmud or details of Jewish belief? Judaism is no worse than Christianity or Islam. Just the Old Testament shows you how rotten all the Abrahamic religions are: racist, genocidal people subjugated by a amoral and insane God.
Wish I had mod points. I used some on this thread so I have to post as an AC.
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Of the major religions which remain today, Judaism was the first in that area.
There, is that pedantic enough for you?
Whoa, Tonto. Hold on...
You are suggesting that i'm "anti-semitic" because I find some quotes in an old Bible scary? Seriously? Are you for real?
Firstly, you do not know me. And if you did, you would know that i'm a very easy going guy who is not racist, bigoted, or "anti-semitic" in any way. I get along with pretty much everyone.
I believe that the quality of a person's character is determined by their actions - not their skin color, race, religion or sexual orientation. In fact, I have friends who are Jewish, Arab, Asian, Portugese, Black, etc... and they are all wonderful people.
Second, "Semites" are people of middle eastern origin - which includes both Arabs and Jews.
Third, the fact that you would crawl out of the woodwork crying "anti-semite" because I found some old bible quotes scary, suggests that you are most likely one of these Zionist nutters who gets paid to troll message boards, spew hatred and create anti-semitism where none exists.
It would appear that simply having the words "Jewish", "Talmud", and "Supremacist" in the same post automatically constitutes "anti-semitism" in your mind.
I strongly suggest that you watch this Jewish made documentary about anti-semitism. You could learn something from it.
That said, I would like to think that you are man enough to realize your mistakes and short comings, and apologize for your "anti-semitic" remark.
If you are not willing to do the right thing and apologize, then please crawl back under whatever stone you crawled out from under and take your hate-mongering xenophobic attitude with you.
Your shenanigans are not welcome here.
Political correctness is really just herd psychology pushed by insecure people who desperately seek social conformity.
"WTF does this actually explain?"
The genocide of Palestinians by the Zionist regime, for one.
Political correctness is really just herd psychology pushed by insecure people who desperately seek social conformity.
1) My one Jewish friend - who probably remains so because we've never really discussed the issue - is fond of pointing out that Israel is a secular, not a religious state. The central question is "who's a Jew"? My understanding is that by Israeli law, the answer is essentially that you're a Jew if your mother was, regardless of any religious practice or belief. This, being a genetic definition, goes far beyond any pseudo-scientific notion of race and makes the racism explicit and concrete.
2) see 1). Also, you will then, no doubt, have great sympathy for all the Muslims of sect X who are being slaughtered by the Muslims of sect Y. Or perhaps the body counts are not high enough to warrant your attention. A schande.
3) As far as I know, the Vatican is not currently engaged in the active theft of property of the neighboring native Italians. Were that to be the case, I would expect rather loud complaints.
4) Perhaps, but we'll never know. Times do seem to change though. The world finally seemed to realize that Apartheid in South Africa was unjust, but the racism in that case was visible on the surface. Israeli racism is rather more subtle. A decade or two ago, the under-representation of Israeli Arabs in the Knesset was striking. It currently seems to be in rough parity with the percentage of population, but this leaves Israeli Jews very nervous about relative reproduction rates. It remains to be seen how this will play out.
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The Palestinians would have great success in their endeavors if they didn't live in concentration camps.
Your self perception is not inline with the meaning of your comments. Best to be honest with yourself and accept that you are a racist bigot. Then go fuck yourself.
Scary stuff. It explains a lot though.
Implies you accept most if not all of it as true when a person with less bigoted view or less ignorant would recognize the intent of the post and the content as lies.
At least not all of the Jewish people subscribe to this supremacist nonsense.
Implies that many, although not all Jews subscribe to these kinds of statements.
My God can beat up your God. Just kidding...don't take offense. I know there's no God.
> "Best to be honest with yourself and accept that you are a racist bigot. Then go fuck yourself."
Ditto.
Political correctness is really just herd psychology pushed by insecure people who desperately seek social conformity.
Ah, i found your other post. You are a anti-semitic racist bigot. Or perhaps a Palestinian? Line up for your genocide. :)
My God can beat up your God. Just kidding...don't take offense. I know there's no God.
> "You are a anti-semitic racist bigot. Or perhaps a Palestinian? Line up for your genocide. :)"
Spoken like a true, hate-mongering Zionist. I really hope that you are not Jewish, because you are an insult to them also.
Loser.
Political correctness is really just herd psychology pushed by insecure people who desperately seek social conformity.
"...he made them the Chosen People"
So, God, or Allah, or whoever you choose to call the creator has his(her) own special "Chosen People"?
I was always taught that everyone is equal under God; even the sinners. Repent and ye shall be forgiven!
The belief that God has "chosen people" suggests that God is a bigot. Ridiculous!
Political correctness is really just herd psychology pushed by insecure people who desperately seek social conformity.
concretely, not so sure - but:
- you 'revert' to islam, which supposedly is the 'true religion of abraham'
- it is focused on the law (like halakhic judaism) and judges , and 'judges' specifically (rather than kings.. which came later to judaism)
- it accepts jesus as the christ (jewish messiah) but denies his divinity (allowing some tolerance for christianity in some kind of way, and giving jews an 'acceptable' way to accept christianity - the jewish state had already lost its way before the time of christ, who was the messiah, but the christians were wrong too in making him a god)
- islamic adherents claim to be of the lineage of one of abrahams wives and that jews are the other (isaacishmael etc) - not sure if/how this is resolved genealogically - but shows that they can be reunited through the 'prophecy' of muhammad
- it states that muhammad is the 'final prophet of god' (thereby 'sealing' any further conflict)
- it allows shellfish but not pork in many sects (kind of a middle ground btw christianity and judaism - not sure how important this is but I likes me some shrimp lol)
- it allows christians and jews to live under the islamic caliphate (sectarian interpritation) provided they are peaceful pay tax and do not convert others as 'people of the book' but forbids other religions
- conversion by others is encouraged, rather than the religion being 'for' a specific people of certain specific bloodlines
- the 'end times' for islam incorporate the second coming of christ who somehow confirms that islam is the true religion somehow ( am a bit fuzzy on this )
so, philosophically and theologically, it rejoins the 'people of abraham' by making them all worship a single , non-incarnate, monotheist deity, without
regard for 'legitimate' bloodlines, and provides the political framework with which to do so (the islamic law)
disclaimer: as schnazzy as this all sounds, I am an orthodox christian, and not just for bacon.
also: gentiles are generally speaking *idols worshipping roman pagans* not 'random modernist agnostic dudes reading slashdot whose best friends are jews'
What genocide? Less Palestinian were killed by Israel (including combatants) since the conflict started 100 years ago than Syrians over the past two years.
The Palestinians in both Gaza and the west back, individually, experience a positive natural growth.
If Israel is trying to commit genocide, it is criminally ineffective.
Shachar
Non-jews can only be "saved" through jeebus.... the jews don't believe in that though... So, yes god is racist.
Israelis treatment of Palestinians is appalling. Good Israelis see this and leave Israel, leaving behind the worse racist Israelis. Mean Jews don't see this and emigrate to Israel.
Concentrating hatred and racism. I fail to see how this can end well.
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Actually, the people who were there first were conveniently slaughtered by the Israelites since god apparently promised them the land.
Point 1:
Context. Judaeism is both a race and religeon. There is a stark diffrence between jewish ethnicity, and jewish religeon.
Israel is not founded on the jewish religeon, but on the jewish race. 90% of the population is secular, and its founders where athiests and national socialists.
American and European Jews mainly identify by the Jewish religeon, but the Jewish religeon has a racial element to it.Your jewish Identity determined by birth, i.e. your mother's status, rather than your beliefs. Becoming a Christian is often as simple as getting baptized, and reciting "God loved the world so he gave them his only son". Becoming a Muslim is as simple as reciting "There is no god but allah, and his messenger muhammed, peace be upon him" in arabic.
Convert to judaeism? Forget about it. The proccess is extremely difficult, and many rabbis simply won't do it unless you are either marrying in, or they have some other motive or really like you. Even still, your conversion most likely won't be recognized by all of judaeism. Under biblical law you'd still be a "gate jew", and not a real jew, something attainable only through birth. Forunately if you lived in America this wouldn't be an issue, because American Jews are extremely westernized, and they don't follow this.
Oh, but thats religous standards on race, of which Americanized jews(hassids not withstanding) are notoriously lax with. Most consider themselves white, and are very accepting of their neighbors. However, Israeli standards on judaeism are soley race based with the exact same standards as nazi germany had on the subject: Two or more Jewish granparents:
Point 2:
Millions of your fellow worshippers were just slaughtered wholesale because of their religion
you obviously have not studied the holocaust too well. They were slaughtered for their race. A jew was not someone who believed in judaeism, but someone with two or more jewish grandparents. Secular jews, and even people with some jewish blood and no relation to the Jewish community where also sent to the camps, or at least singled out from society. Along with communists, gays, gypsies, even slavs(eastern europeans).
Time to find a place where we can at least stand up for ourselves
you can stand up for yourself anywhere for being a human being. Also exploited where roma(gypsies) and homosexuals, they never got a state for being themselves.
British promised that such a place was available in one of their colonial holdings
basicly occupied land based on imperial holdings, with original residents still living there. Israel was founded by colonists from Europe.
that place happens to be your ancestral homeland!
Ancesteral homeland of what? A race. my people insiuates race. "Blood relation" that is not extended family. That is race. This is also ridicolous. Its land your ancestors lost in some long ancient war. Its also land they gained a thousand years prior in some long ancient war as well. You have no relation to any actual flesh and blood people from that long fallen ancient empire. Just distant memories.
Your also using Hitler logic. The German people have also been pushed around for most of history. By France, Spain, England, Russia. They only became a country in 1876, with No empire, and no colonies and the traditional European powers saw them as a threat to their imperialism. But hey, it just so happens their enemies have thier "ancient homeland", where northern european people originally came from, in a lot shorter time span than the ancient Judaen empire.
Also by your logic, is that of Osama Bin Laden reviving the Islamic Caliphate from Anniulus to India, again, their ancient homeland, of which is a much shorter timespan between that and the ancient judaen empire.
Mousillini and his Rome, Saddam Hueissan and Babylonia. The list goes on, but you share a common delusion with dictatories, Fasc
There's no question that Jews have been persecuted throughout history. Only a fool would deny that.
But the thing that gets me is no one stops to ask "why".
Also, many other groups have been / continue to be persecuted (slaughtered) but this barely raises a mention in the media or in Hollywood films.
Again, why?
Bollocks! Religion doesn't enter any legislative equation. In fact, many European countries have laws that are in complete opposition to Christianity.
Centuries ago* they had parts of Europe under Ottoman rule (Islamic law) but since the early 1900's (via Attaturk) the major cities of Turkey were rather secular. (Forget the rural areas, they were always religious, and without any issues.) It's only the past 10 - 15 years that Erdogan has been pushing an Islamic agenda, and with much success on his part. Unfortunately, majority-Sunni Turkey is also buying oil from ISIS, which is also Sunni Muslim, much to the dismay of the rest of the world. Again, this is the work of Erdogan.
* Turkey still illegally occupies northern Cyprus, but that's more a political thing than a religious thing.
Clearly you are not Christian. The only "Christians" who believe *Jews* are the chosen people are certain modern Christian denominations in the US, where there is a heavy Jewish influence.
The older Christian denominations (Catholics, Orthodox Protestants) believe "Jews" refers to people who follow the word of God (i.e. Christ). The New Testament also refers to "Greeks" ... but that does not refer to "Hellenes" (who the world today would consider to be those living in Greece). Rather, "Greek" in the New Testament refers to scholars and intellectuals. (It's obviously related to "Hellenes" in that ancient Greeks were obsessed with mathematics, medicine, astronomy, etc). However the New Testament uses that word generically / as an adjective.
For any interested, here's what he's referring to by "Israel attacked the US navy":
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident
I don't have an issue with the Jewish people nor do I really have an issue with Israel existing beyond the obvious situation is causing contention I do however have issues with Zionism which is a political philosophy!
Time to find a place where we can at least stand up for ourselves,...
At the end of the day, though, everyone has to play by the same rules.
Either everyone gets to discriminate or no one gets to discriminate. In one future, every little ethnic group in the world gets it's own little piece of land where it can huddle together in fear of the rest of the world - wallowing in self pity, striving to remain victims of injustice long past, and building up a towering nuclear arsenal in preparation for an eventual nuclear Armageddon. In the other future, everyone is a citizen of the world - free to live and work and travel freely to explore and benefit from all that the world has to offer - where nation states and their arbitrary borders are a distant ugly memory.
Many parts of the world still have severe socioeconomic dysfunction. Billions of good decent hardworking people are trapped in poverty. Depending how you count, somewhere around 20,000 children die of poverty every day. Many of these children would not be dying if their parent were free to move to other parts of the world with less socioeconomic dysfunction. But what if you have a policy where only certain ethnic groups are free to move to better parts of the world? Can you have a whites-only drinking fountain that doesn't discriminate against people who aren't white? Can you only allow Jewish people to move to better parts of the world without discriminating against people who aren't Jewish? No, fundamentally you can't.
At the end of the day, either everyone is safe or no one is safe. The key to solving the Israeli-Palestinian situation is for everyone involved, and particularly the Zionists, to understand that discrimination can not be allowed to continue in the long term.
The comments are dripping with anti-semitic bigotry (note: anti-semitism means "jew-hatred", don't try to spin it). I would expect this level of discussion on worldnews, politics, or conspiracy subreddits, but seeing it on /. is disappointing.
Isn't Israel also a hotbed of computer hacking, phishing, etc.? Kind of makes sense they would have have a strong cybersecurity presence, even if only to defend against themselves.
Absolutre drivel. Judaism survives on converts, and foreign converts to Judaism have more rights in Israel than native people born in Palestine! It's utter nonsense to paint it any other way. It is racist-colonial in nature, was founded and survives through violence, and feeds off anti-Semitism.
Edit: captcha was, fittingly enough, "steals".
Every single thing you say is complete drivel.
Can you please explain what Zionism is as a political philosophy?
MagickalMyst is a bigot.
"A flat disk of the earth, above which the sun completes its semicircle in an average of 12 hours" --Talmud
Casteism
Your posting as AC and seem rather ignorant, but I'll bite.
By definition, all European countries are Christian States. It's not a matter of your opinion. They were founded and remain Christian. Not just in nature, but in law and in decree. Others may live there with equal rights...at least recently...and on paper if not in practice...but that is no different than in Israel. Similarly, Turkey and all ME countries are officially muslim states. It has nothing to do with how secular they are in practice. BTW, seems like you've never been to Israel, but it's very secular both in population and in governance.
Religion doesn't figure into Israeli legislature any moreso than in most countries.
My God can beat up your God. Just kidding...don't take offense. I know there's no God.
really odd response. perhaps something your local church told you. but christians believe in the bible, which says jews are the chosen people. perhaps those who want to hate will distance themselves from jews but that's not mainstream thought.
My God can beat up your God. Just kidding...don't take offense. I know there's no God.