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Why Israel Could Be the Next Cybersecurity World Power
jfruh writes: Beersheba is a small town in southern Israel, more than an hour's drive away from Tel Aviv and the bulk of the country's population. But the city is a hotbed of cybersecurity startups driven in part by a graduate program at the local university and the country's military and intelligence apparatus's keen interest in the subject. "To become such a cyber nexus, any place has to have several ingredients: A great university with a solid computer science department with a penchant for security research. Check. Several industry partners who have set up their own research and innovation laboratories nearby, to take advance of the cheap labor pool of graduate students. Check. An active venture capitalist operation that can fund startups is also essential, along with mentors who can help entrepreneurs along. Double check. And finally some solid support for local and national government to grease the wheels of progress. Check."
What kind of yahoo is running that country anyhow?
Netanyahu.
Don't waste your vote! Vote for whoever you want, unless you live in a swing state it won't matter anyways
Hey buddy, take it up with Allah, he made them the Chosen People, not us.
Stop interning the Palestinian populace. Allow the Palestinians to have their land back as per UN Resolutions. Let them have freedom of mobility, the chance to build a viable economy and rights as a regular citizen, not a second class citizen. No justice, no peace.
"SO we bide our time, waiting for a purer kick to bloom and the future is still bleak, uncertain and beautiful" -GSYBE
The bible has plenty of similar peace loving statements of equality and acceptance. The difference is not what exactly is in each holy book, but how followers interpret those words: as laws, suggestions or stories. Christians and jews generally do not go around killing non-believers and transgressors of holy law, nor do many of them think they should. Muslims however have frequent and violent clashes over holy texts (with each other), and in many muslim countries the nastiest kinds of holy rules have been set into law. In addition, many of the "moderate" muslims who might profess to be against violently taking the law into their own hands, will still proclaim the koran to be law over and above the law of men, and will explicitly agree with (for example) a death sentence for apostacy.
Islam is not a religion like any other, not by a long shot. From a humanitarion point of view it is worse than the others both in word and in practice. With that said, every person deserves to be treated according to their own actions and convictions, not to those of others.
If construction was anything like programming, an incorrectly fitted lock would bring down the entire building...
It's called "Google". It points here.
Short answer: they are either misquotes or ourright fakes.
Shachar
While this may certainly be true, it does not ameliorate the fact that the notion of a Jewish *state* is inherently and inescapably racist.
Denying this would necessarily lead to acceptance of an Aryan state, and that didn't really work out well, did it?
In fact, denying that a Jewish *state* is racist is a subtle form of Holocaust denial, in that it would require insistence that the Holocaust was not an act of racism, but solely of anti-Jewishness. This conclusion would be neither factually nor morally correct.
While I can understand and support the idea of a Jewish homeland, it is difficult to see how encapsulating it in a Jewish *state* can be anything but unjust. I believe that the state of Israel is doomed, but not from any outside forces. Its fatal flaw lies within. Israel and I happen to have been born in the same year. It will be interesting to see who dies first.
Way to oversimplify a very complex geo-political situation.
First you have a nation that is in the the area considered a holy land for the Jewish, Christian, and Muslim. Jewish religion was first there, then Christianity branched off from it. Then Muslim was a way to try to merge the two back together. So they all have claim to say this area is their roots. The facts about the religions isn't as much of an issue, but the differences in cultures that rooted from people with the religions. The Jewish population is largely from Christian europe so culturally the Jewish and Christians are rather similar. The Muslims are more from the middle east and north Africa. So there are two different cultures meeting in the middle as Israel is the center point between Europe, Middle East and Northern Africa.
After WWII the Jewish were given Israel, kinda like a double edge blade, to make reparations for the holocaust, and because most of the populations were still so anti-semitic that they didn't want them in their own back door. So they chose Israel as it wasn't controlled by a major power. So we have a group of people who had suffered a hard time, moving to an area where the existing population really didn't want them there anyways, but being backed by large superpowers meant they had more power. When your group is in power, you will try to expand your cultural values. This causes more conflict on the area.
Because of the conflict both sides are feeling that the other are against them, so they preemptive position themselves to protect against the other, which then creates more conflict.
If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
I'm not the GP, but I think I can help. Israel is a secular liberal democracy, in the literal sense (I think most American Israel supporters would be surprised at how much Israel does not match their own political and social views). Palestinians have more say in the Israeli government than most of your average Arabs do in their own. Israel is one of the only nations in the middle east where things like blasphemy, homosexuality, and being a woman in public aren't a mortal danger. Now, it was not always thus; the Arab world has significantly regressed since the 1960's, and largely due to American and British corporate interventionism, but Israel really has no part in that.
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Well from my experience religion for the typical Israeli is much like religion for the typical American. It will run the gamut from atheist to crazy nut job Fred Phelps. Most of the Israelis I have worked with have been much closer to the atheist and what would be the Jewish equivalent of a C&E christian. As one guy put it "I can eat a whole fucking pig covered in cheese". Granted this was in the fairly cosmopolitan city of Haifa working at a place populated by engineers. That said there did seem to be a higher concentration of the more devout in Israel than I have typically seen in the US. The problems with the more devout are at worst minor rioting when different religions have conflicting holidays. For example I was cautioned one time I was there to just basically stay at the hotel over the weekend because Yom Kippur and the Feast of the Cross fell on the same day and these 2 holidays really are incompatible so to avoid some minor street fights or getting caught up in some stone hucking between the more orthodox followers of those religions. At this point I get the impression that these conflicts aren't all that different in scale than the Protestant vs. Catholic issues in Belfast now.
Time to offend someone
Actual Israeli here, with family in Beersheva, happy to answer questions. ;tldr, the article is bs, no one wants to live and work in Beersheva and don't confuse a few offices with a new silicon valley - here's why below.
Not sure where the author is getting his information from, but this article is dubious, albeit in an innocent way. First of all, let me explain that Beersheva is hardly a cosmopolitan city. It is a place most famous in Israel for cheap living until the last couple of decades, our version of guidos/greasers (arsim), and for housing one of the largest influxes of former Soviet immigrants after the flood of them we had pre/post fall of the Soviet Union. It is a place that no one really chooses to go, only to leave. Many of the people there were put there when they immigrated because it was cheap to build and the going theory besides developing the desert in the South was to also have a line of defense against Egyptian advances that traditionally marched up towards the heart of Israel via Beersheva.
So if Beersheva sucks, why are these businesses opening and why do people live there? Well generally, people just are stuck there or can't afford anywhere else. One of the largest problems and why this article may have even a hint of truth is that living in Israel is expensive relative to our per-capita incomes. Really expensive. Most of the country lives in the center, and not so shockingly, the center is really really expensive. As you can imagine, a lot of people would love to move somewhere cheaper, less crowded, more natural, etc. One option, highly encouraged at times by the government is to move to the periphery which to many Israelis essentially starts in the area of Beersheva in the South, and North of Haifa and the Kneret (Sea of Galillee I believe in English) in the North. In Hebrew we'd refer to this area as the end of the world, or how do you get to Beersheva - turn left at the end of the world. Before you start in with your naive and ridiculous comments, no, this does not include the West Bank or Gaza (glad we got that out of the way, but I expect the usual lunatics).
So enough background, why else is this article bs:
1. Ben Gurion University is hardly well-respected in Israel. It is known to be incredibly left-leaning in a way that even liberal people often detest and has been the subject of a lot of controversy. More importantly, no one in Israel really cares where you went to school. If they do care and you went to an Israeli university for tech, God help you if it was not the Technion. At best you can get someone to admit that Hebrew University's computer science department is not so bad.
2. Beersheva was/is under constant rocket threat. The property values in these areas is considered dubious in the future, especially given the obvious range of Hamas rockets in relation to Beersheva. Hint: people in Beersheva heard a lot of sirens last war. A lot.
3. There are much nicer, cheaper places in Israel for smaller tech firms who don't care about recruiting from the pool of people in Tel Aviv/center.
4. The traffic crush to Beersheva is unreal by Israeli standards. The infrastructure in and around Beersheva is not good enough to support a large amount of people coming and going every day, so no one is going to want to commute there to avoid living there. Commuting in Israel is just not something people generally do, especially not multiple hour commutes if they can avoid it. My wife does commute between Tel Aviv and Jerusalem a few times a week, but only out of necessity and the fact we can't afford to give up our apartment we own here and buy a new one in Jerusalem. Moreover, given the prices of gas and the fact that cars are egregiously expensive in this country, most people aren't even able to commute on a daily basis.
5. Apparently the author has never met actual Israelis in tech. They are all "security" experts. This is exacerbated since many of them spent years writing crappy VB forms for security companies here like Checkpoint
The bible has plenty of similar peace loving statements of equality and acceptance. The difference is not what exactly is in each holy book, but how followers interpret those words: as laws, suggestions or stories.
Well, there's also context - is the cherry-picked verse part of a story/parable, part of an instruction, a no-kidding commandment, addressed to a specific individual or group ...what? Also, was the quoted text later superseded by later teachings/events (especially if we're talking about Christian Theology, which explicitly has the New Testament superseding and eliminating a lot of stuff in the Old)?
Far too many sophomoric lines of argument conveniently ignore such things (and are thus easily destroyed), but, if you'll pardon the pun, the devil is in the details. :)
Quo usque tandem abutere, Nimbus, patientia nostra?
While this may certainly be true, it does not ameliorate the fact that the notion of a Jewish *state* is inherently and inescapably racist.
1) Race != Religion. ( 'the hell are mods thinking these days?)
2) The context of the time: Millions of your fellow worshippers were just slaughtered wholesale because of their religion, no one lifted a hand to stop it until it threatened them, and now that it's over no one really gives a shit about you. Meanwhile at least one superpower (the USSR) is still actively hunting down what few Jews live in their borders. Yeah, fuck that. Time to find a place where we can at least stand up for ourselves, and hey - the British promised that such a place was available in one of their colonial holdings, and BTW, that place happens to be your ancestral homeland! Makes perfect fucking sense in light of all that...
3) Vatican City is a nation-state based on one religion - not much racism going on there. No one complains about that because their 'army' (if you want to call it that) is on loan from Switzerland, and they're not surrounded by folks from an opposing religion who are actively out to eliminate them (quite the opposite, actually).
4) Regarding: Denying this would necessarily lead to acceptance of an Aryan state - you forgot one small detail: If 1930's Germany had stayed within their pre-existing borders, they could've had this alleged "Aryan" state with the world's indifferent blessing.
Quo usque tandem abutere, Nimbus, patientia nostra?
u do realize that every country in europe is a christian state, with the exception of turkey which is a muslim state? and nearly every state in the middle east is an arab and muslim state? it's no different, except that jews had lost their state and were stateless for a long time, until recently. you are a racist evil person who can't see the equivalence through your hate.
My God can beat up your God. Just kidding...don't take offense. I know there's no God.
You're putting "maintaining its Jewish character" in quotes like it comes from somewhere other than your own bias. It's a straw man. The original mandate called for a two-state solution with lines drawn exactly where the Jews and Arabs at the time lived. That mandate was unilaterally abrogated by the Arabs of the entire region who thought dirty Jews shouldn't have a country at all. Tit for tat for tit for tat. But don't pretend that the Palestinians are blameless. They had a state, it wasn't good enough, so they gambled everything on a holy war and lost.
And you would be hard-pressed to find anyone outside of ISIS and Al-Quaida more fanatical than Mossad and its crazy Zionist ilk. The thought of them having cyber-weapons is scary. But much more scary is the thought that we actually gave those religious crazies nuclear weapons.
Huh? The Mossad, based on their past performance and actions, is a very level-headed, pragmatic secret service. The Zionist agenda is not their scope, albeit one could make the argument that any security apparatus, including the army or air force that ensures the survival of Israel, also indirectly serves the agenda of Zionism, to some extent.
That said, I am also not sure why you would lump Zionism and extremism together. Zionism simply means, in its broadest definition, bringing Jews to live in Israel.
In any case, comparing ISIS to practically any secret service in existence, is quite dishonest. ISIS is an organization that has institutionalized the torture and enslavement of girls, the torture and decapitation (sometimes burning alive) of non-Muslims, and systematic genocide of non-Muslim civilians.
"The agriculture ministry is not in charge of Gundam" - Japanese ministry official.
The company I work for hired a few security consultants from GE that were based out of Isreal to conduct a cybersecurity training seminar, and holy shit. These guys definitely knew what they were talking about. Easily one of the most valuable training seminars I have ever attended.
Inside of Israel proper is a democracy with almost full equality and an Arab Israeli population who is not only keeping up with Israelis overall rapidly increasing standard of living but gaining ground. The Gazans have 0 Jews among them. They live in misery after the withdrawal because they have been unwilling to live in peace. Most of the West Bank is arguably a military dictatorship on issues of defense. But even here the areas that Israel inhabits has very little Palestinians population. The population centers where the Palestinians live (Areas A and B) are self governing.
Israel is not an apartheid state. People just like to make up crap about Jews.
Inside of Israel proper is a democracy with almost full equality and an Arab Israeli population who is not only keeping up with Israelis overall rapidly increasing standard of living but gaining ground. The Gazans have 0 Jews among them. They live in misery after the withdrawal because they have been unwilling to live in peace. Most of the West Bank is arguably a military dictatorship on issues of defense. But even here the areas that Israel inhabits has very little Palestinians population. The population centers where the Palestinians live (Areas A and B) are self governing.
Israel is not an apartheid state.
What genocide? Less Palestinian were killed by Israel (including combatants) since the conflict started 100 years ago than Syrians over the past two years.
The Palestinians in both Gaza and the west back, individually, experience a positive natural growth.
If Israel is trying to commit genocide, it is criminally ineffective.
Shachar