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Some of the Greatest Science Fiction Novels Are Fix-Ups

HughPickens.com writes: What do science fiction classics like Asimov's Foundation Trilogy, Bradbury's Martian Chronicles, Van Vogt's Voyage of the Space Beagle, Simak's City, and Sturgeon's More Than Human have in common? Each of them is a "fix-up" — a novel constructed out of short stories that were previously published on their own. "This used to be one standard way to write a science fiction novel — publish a series of stories that all take place in the same world, and then knit them together into a book," says Charlie Jane Anders. "Sometimes a great deal of revision happened, to turn the separate stories into a single narrative and make sure all the threads joined up. Sometimes, the stories remain pretty separate but there are links between them."

The Golden Age science fiction publishing market was heavily geared toward magazines and short stories. And then suddenly, there was this huge demand for tons of novels. According to Andrew Liptak, this left many science fiction authors caught in a hard place: Many had come to depend on the large number of magazines on the market that would pay them for their work, and as readership declined, so too did the places in which to publish original fiction. The result was an innovative solution: repackage a number of preexisting short stories by adding to or rewriting portions of them to work together as a single story. This has its advantages; you get more narrative "payoff" with a collection of stories that also forms a single continuous meta-story than you do with a single over-arching novel — because each story has its own conclusion, and yet the story builds towards a bigger resolution. Fix-ups are a good, representative example of the transition that the publishing industry faced at the time, and how its authors adapted. Liptak says, "It's a lesson that's well-worth looking closely at, as the entire publishing industry faces new technological challenges and disruptions from the likes of self-publishing and micro-press platforms."

104 comments

  1. Um, duh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Some days the sky is blue! Other days, it's cloudy.

    1. Re:Um, duh? by Thanshin · · Score: 3, Informative

      Slashdot editors shouldn't post as AC.

  2. William Gibson by Major+Blud · · Score: 1

    Don't forget Burning Chrome. Shouldn't it be on the Wikipedia list for Fix-Ups?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B...

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    1. Re:William Gibson by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      burning chrome is an antology of short stories, that's not the same as a fix-up, in a fix-up the original stories get modified so they look as a single narrative.

    2. Re:William Gibson by PapaBoojum · · Score: 5, Informative

      Fix ups are short stories that are later weaved together - often after significant alteration from their original form - to construct a larger overarching narrative. They are not simply collections of short stories. Burning Chrome is simply a collection of short stories, some of which happen to take place in the same Sprawl 'universe'. However there is no overall narrative threading through all of the stories in Burning Chrome.

    3. Re:William Gibson by Major+Blud · · Score: 1

      Thanks for the clarification. I thought it would fit the definition since some of the stories contained the same characters.

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    4. Re:William Gibson by RabidReindeer · · Score: 2

      Some are, some aren't. The first two Discworld books are woven stories, but the infrastructure was basically consistent.

    5. Re:William Gibson by Quirkz · · Score: 1

      The first two Discworld books are woven stories

      Didn't know that, but I can remember thinking the string of adventures was particularly episodic and, well, strung together. I chalked it up to youthfulness and perhaps trying to mimic older style adventure books, but this explains a lot of it.

    6. Re:William Gibson by RabidReindeer · · Score: 1

      I read several of the Discworld stories in magazines originally, which is how I know. Then one day years later, "Small Gods" came to my attention and I started backtracking from there. I don't know if he wasn't as well-known in the USA for his first few books or I'd just missed them.

  3. The opposite of current movie adaptations by Thanshin · · Score: 2

    Movie adaptations went from one to many and then to series. The edges blur and soon we'll complete the full batch of movie remakes into series.

    And in this case it's also a matter of medium rather than story. A theater may need two hour long movies, but Netflix can sell thirteen chapter series just as easily.

    1. Re:The opposite of current movie adaptations by Penguinisto · · Score: 3

      Good point... but selling 13 chapters would be akin to selling a television season (not counting commercials), as opposed to a cinematic thing. Some stories (e.g. Foundation, Heinlein's Future History, etc) would be best treated in a TV series-style format, so you can get the 13 hours (not counting commercials) needed to stuff that much damned content into it.

      Movies are limited by necessity - 3 hours is a long-ass stretch in one go at a theater. The classic Dr. Zhivago movie was IIRC 2-3 hours, and it had an intentional intermission inserted smack in the middle of it, even on the DVD. ( Originally it was so that folks could get up and stretch their legs, have a smoke, etc.) It was one of the few movies I've seen that didn't completely butcher the novel in order to make it fit into a small (-ish) timeframe. Consider that even a fast reader will take hours on end to consume a typical novel... a straight movie is way too short a format.

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    2. Re:The opposite of current movie adaptations by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Many TV Series are simply a collection of short (30min - 1hr) stories that carry a common theme/characters. Each one stands on it's own, but often have other story arcs involved. Some of the science fiction serials (like Dr. Strange) could make a good transition to TV.

      And I agree that many movies try to cram too much book into that too short a timeframe. Dune, I think, definitely falls into that category. I actually enjoyed the SciFi miniseries better since it handled the details better (despite some of the obvious cinematography/set design limitations). And Dune is a book long on detail (feints within feints) and inner dialogs, which make for a challenging transition to the screen.

    3. Re:The opposite of current movie adaptations by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      It comes down to money/society placement
      First We had short stories. Because before the written tradition, they were passed verbally and needed to be short enough to be memorized. So the local story teller who's place in society is limited on his memorization skill, and story telling ability.
      Then when the printed word came out, the stories became longer, because we are able to pass on more complex issues, and store it. Getting a book was expensive, so you might as well get a big one, as the economy of scale existed. So selling large thick books help make money.
      Then we went to the printing press. In that case the price to print lowered, so it was worth it to print a lot. of books and sell them for cheap. So the money went to short stories again. Because the stories become so cheap to produce that printing of the story became disposable. So the money was for making magazines and papers.

      Radio and TV started broadcasting these short stories, so the printed word for such stories became less marketable, So they then moved to longer novels, as they are too long and complex to cleanly go on Radio or TV, thus securing a niche market.

      Now movies with its longer playing time, can adapt better to novels. However the money is based off of a limited playing time, if a movie was popular, you can make money in continuing the movie. Novels are written in hopes for movie adoption. So they follow a similar pattern to allow for sequels.

      Now we are entering an era of Netflix where we can watch whatever movie we want and when, so they are moving back to series again, because we now are able to binge watch, so the cliff hanger isn't so painful. So we can get the novel complexity, in shorter easier to digest segments.

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    4. Re:The opposite of current movie adaptations by XanC · · Score: 1

      Many films have intermissions in them, even on the DVD. Just off the top of my head, trying to get a good range of eras: Gone with the Wind (1939), Camelot (1967), Hamlet (1996).

    5. Re: The opposite of current movie adaptations by jd2112 · · Score: 1

      Now it sometimes seems every other movie in a series is a reboot or remake so they just end up making the same movie over and over.

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    6. Re:The opposite of current movie adaptations by MoaDweeb · · Score: 2

      Long narratives did not start with the printed word, Homer's 'Iliad' was entirely from the spoken tradition.

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    7. Re:The opposite of current movie adaptations by Oligonicella · · Score: 1

      Same for some Icelandic sagas. Some are immense.

    8. Re:The opposite of current movie adaptations by Reziac · · Score: 1

      Including credits and such:

      Dr.Zhivago: 192 or 200 minutes depending on version

      Gone With the Wind -- 238 minutes
      (also usually shown with an intermission)

      I don't know of any longer films, but I'm not a film buff.

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  4. Oblig Einstein? quote.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "If I have seen further than some, it is because I have stood upon the shoulders of giants."

    1. Re:Oblig Einstein? quote.. by Thanshin · · Score: 1

      The actual quote is:

      "If I have seen further than some, it is because I have stood upon the shoulders of Blaster." - Master.

    2. Re:Oblig Einstein? quote.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The actual quote is by Newton.

    3. Re:Oblig Einstein? quote.. by OzPeter · · Score: 1

      The actual quote is by Newton.

      That's relatively true.

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    4. Re:Oblig Einstein? quote.. by Qzukk · · Score: 1

      Personally I recommend binoculars.

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    5. Re:Oblig Einstein? quote.. by NEDHead · · Score: 1

      Absolutely

    6. Re:Oblig Einstein? quote.. by gzuckier · · Score: 1

      "If I have seen further than some, it is because I have stood upon the shoulders of 4 elephants standing on the back of a turtle."

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  5. Foundation? by Penguinisto · · Score: 2

    I know a lot of the ancillary and similar stories around it were lash-ups meant to add to it (and to make a continuum for Daneel and suchlike), but wasn't the original Foundation trilogy meant to be written together, Mule and all?

    Maybe it's just the distance of time since I read it, but I could have sworn that the three original Foundation books were written together intentionally.

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    1. Re:Foundation? by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 4, Interesting

      but wasn't the original Foundation trilogy meant to be written together, Mule and all?

      No. The first book, specifically, was a collection of short stories. Reread it, paying attention to the structure: a series of events years/decades apart dealing with the problems of the Foundation as it grew to replace the Empire....

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    2. Re:Foundation? by Hussman32 · · Score: 4, Informative

      The first Foundation novel was eight short stories published together. Foundation and Empire was a complete novel, as was the Second Foundation.

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    3. Re:Foundation? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Foundation was published as eight short stories on astounding magazine

    4. Re:Foundation? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I never cared for the Foundation cycle. It is obvious that it consists of short stories that were later pasted together into the overarching scheme of the Foundation cycle. The stories themselves are not particularly compelling, and the whole thing is little more than an epic bore. The one nice idea, psychohistory, is briefly and poorly developed. I fail to see why this acclaimed as one of the sci-fi classics.

    5. Re:Foundation? by radarskiy · · Score: 1

      There were eight Foundations stories published separately. The first four with one new story were combined for _Foundation_, the next two made up _Foundation and Empire_ and the remaining two made up _Second Foundation_. The other Foundation books were written as entire complete novels.

    6. Re:Foundation? by radarskiy · · Score: 4, Informative

      There were eight original Foundation stories, but _Foundation_ only contains 5 stories: "The Psychohistorians", "The Encylopedists", "The Mayor"s, "The Traders", and "The Merchant Princes". "The Psychohistorians" was written specifically for the book.

    7. Re:Foundation? by HiThere · · Score: 2

      I thought that "Foundation and Empire" was originally two novellets.

      OTOH, why did they leave out Triplanetary. That was an earlier "fixup" and any of the others they mentioned (and I don't think the idea was new then.)

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  6. More recent example: Brin's Existence by StefanJ · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The first, ummm, say two-third's of David Brin's Existence is a mix of short stories (altered a bit since their publication) and a new framework that ties it all together. It works pretty well.

    The last third takes place many years after the intrigues of the first part, using a subset of the initial large cast. It is threaded around an updated version of a very old story, "Lungfish," which is arguably the keystone.

    1. Re:More recent example: Brin's Existence by OzPeter · · Score: 1

      The first, ummm, say two-third's of David Brin's Existence is a mix of short stories (altered a bit since their publication) and a new framework that ties it all together. It works pretty well.

      The last third takes place many years after the intrigues of the first part, using a subset of the initial large cast. It is threaded around an updated version of a very old story, "Lungfish," which is arguably the keystone.

      For me Existence started out OK, delved into "where is this going?", followed by a "is there any point to this story?" but then pissed me off with that hacked version of Lungfish slotted in at the end. While in general I thought it was a weak book, I thought that the hacking of Lungfish was a travesty that he committed against his own work and in the process lost a lot of what made the original Lungfish so good.

      And I say this as a fan of Brin's work, and recognize his ability to write a great story with great characters.

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    2. Re:More recent example: Brin's Existence by gzuckier · · Score: 1

      The first, ummm, say two-third's of David Brin's Existence is a mix of short stories (altered a bit since their publication) and a new framework that ties it all together. It works pretty well.

      The last third takes place many years after the intrigues of the first part, using a subset of the initial large cast. It is threaded around an updated version of a very old story, "Lungfish," which is arguably the keystone.

      My own existence is nothing but a bunch of short stories sharing some of the main characters. Doesn't cohere well.

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  7. It happens with modern novels. by MouseTheLuckyDog · · Score: 1

    They are turning into series that are meganovels.
    Lord of the Rings, I don't of as an example of this phenomena, but mnore a precursor.

    Lois McMaster Bujolds Vorkosigan series does seem to be one of the major ones.

    The prototypical ones are the Harry Potter series.

    1. Re:It happens with modern novels. by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      Simply amazing that creative individuals, trying to make enough money to survive, modify their creations to fit the wants and needs of their prospective audience.

      I'm just totally dumfounded. Next thing you'll tell me is that graphic artists are using computers these days. Maybe somebody should patent that.

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    2. Re:It happens with modern novels. by sclark46 · · Score: 1

      I love the way Asimov in his later novels tied the robot stories back into the Foundation Trilogy covering 20,000 years IIRC.

    3. Re:It happens with modern novels. by OzPeter · · Score: 1

      They are turning into series that are mega-novels.

      I lament the falling of the ability of an author to construct and present a complete story in a single novel. To me, the preponderance of multi-book series highlights the loss of ability.

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    4. Re:It happens with modern novels. by RabidReindeer · · Score: 2

      I love the way Asimov in his later novels tied the robot stories back into the Foundation Trilogy covering 20,000 years IIRC.

      He tried too hard. I wish he'd left some of his works unconnected, as the stitching is embarrassingly crude in some cases.

      OTOH, Andre Norton mostly left well enough alone. While some concepts and places overlapped between series, there was no attempt to force them all into alignment when they differed. Her later years, perhaps not so much, but that's when she had other people tying into her works.

    5. Re:It happens with modern novels. by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 2

      Lord of the Rings, I don't of as an example of this phenomena, but mnore a precursor.

      Lord of the Rings has nothing to do with this. Tolkien wrote it as a single work, and it was originally intended to be published in a single volume. It was decided that its size simply made that too difficult and it was split into three volumes. It was never a "series", it simply *was* a meganovel from the start. (I have a very nice single-volume edition of it, hardback in a red binding done up to look like the Red Book of Westmarch (Tolkien's fictional "source")).

    6. Re:It happens with modern novels. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's because you're an idiot. If you weren't, you'd be able to recognize that the choice to do one thing does not suggest an inability to do a different thing.

    7. Re:It happens with modern novels. by pla · · Score: 1

      To me, the preponderance of multi-book series highlights the loss of ability.

      You have mistaken "revenue generation" for "ability".

      That said, don't view the past through too rosy glasses. Harry Potter consisted of seven books, but so did LotR (if you include The Hobbit), and so did the Chronicles of Narnia. HHGttG has five books by DNA. Dune has six (and a half) by Herbert. Clarke's Space Odyssey has four. And to address the FP topic, Asimov's Foundation has seven.

      Now, if you want to tackle "series" that have no fixed length - Keep in mind that the past had plenty of those, too. We have the luxury of picking the cream of the crop in hindsight, and tend to forget about the amazing volume of mostly-aptly-named "pulp fiction" pumped out in first half of the 1900s.

    8. Re:It happens with modern novels. by dwywit · · Score: 1

      Not to forget Niven's "Known Space". That's not a loss of ability, that's a BIG playground, with lots of stories to tell.

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    9. Re:It happens with modern novels. by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      In some cases of novel series, each novel is a good stand-alone work, as well as part of a larger whole. Some stories will not fit well into the scope of one novel.

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    10. Re:It happens with modern novels. by anonymous_echidna · · Score: 2

      Tolkien wrote it as a two-book set: LOTR and the Silmarillion. The publisher nixed the Silmarillion, and, as you say, split LOTR into 3 volumes.

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    11. Re:It happens with modern novels. by Livius · · Score: 2

      the stitching is embarrassingly crude in some cases.

      Crude isn't quite the word I would use, but I felt that the reader was expected to think that the links were totally cool (some were interesting, some were very obvious) and that was supposed to make up for the lack of actual story. One of them was very long and I recall reading every second chapter and feeling very certain I didn't miss anything.

    12. Re:It happens with modern novels. by Pfhorrest · · Score: 1

      I don't know about any later intent of Tolkien to finally publish the Silmarillion alongside the LOTR, but the bulk of the material that was eventually published posthumously as "The Silmarillion" was written long before Tolkien ever scribbled down "in a hole in the ground there lived a Hobbit", much less wrote a whole book around that phrase, much less the obligatory sequel that got so big it became a trilogy connected to his old mythopoeia about the Eldar and their history.

      Also, the LOTR is internally structured into six "books". Each published volume contains two of them. I'm not sure how many volumes Tolkien intended it to be published as, but at first glance that would suggest six.

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    13. Re:It happens with modern novels. by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 1

      Well, no. The Silmarillion came first but was never a publishable manuscript in Tolkien's lifetime--only after some extensive editing by Christopher Tolkien after J.R.R.'s death did it get to see print. Tolkien showed some drafts to publishers and got told it was not sellable, so he wrote the Lord of the Rings instead. There were never at the time any plans by anyone for a "two-book set."

    14. Re:It happens with modern novels. by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 1

      Also, the LOTR is internally structured into six "books". Each published volume contains two of them. I'm not sure how many volumes Tolkien intended it to be published as, but at first glance that would suggest six.

      This really doesn't mean anything. Sometimes a novel is structured into "books" that have nothing to do with the physical format it's issued in, as an additional layer above the chapters. The practice is perhaps less common than it used to be but you still see occassionally. Tolkien definitely originally intended the Lord of the Rings to be published in one volume.

  8. Also Time Travelers Strictly Cash by drakaan · · Score: 1

    One of many excellent sci-fi books by Spider Robinson.

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  9. Heinlien by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He even published a time line for all the events in multiple short stories and full novels. See Future History http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Future_History_(Heinlein)

    He did have 3 different universes which is why he wrote "the cat that walks thought wall" to pull them all tighter in the end - boy that was bruising!

    1. Re:Heinlien by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 1

      Well, you have three different things you need to distinguish: You have books that are collections of unrelated stories, books that are collections of separate stories set in the same future/alternate history/fantasy world, and then you have books that take separate stories and stitch them together into a single narrative. Heinlein's Future History collection is the second. I believe what we're talking about here is mainly the third.

    2. Re:Heinlien by Daetrin · · Score: 1

      Agreed, i'm usually ready to extol the virtues of Heinlein, but fix-up novels are not a thing he did.

      As stated, the key elements of "fix-up novel" is that you fix-up something that wasn't a novel, and at the end of it you have a novel. If you just put a bunch of separate short stories together into a book without editing them at all then you've neither done any fixing-up nor ended up with a novel, regardless of whether the stories are all set in the same universe or not.

      The _real_ grey area is serials. Some (eventual) novels were written with the intent to be a single story but were serialized in magazines as chapters/short stories. In some cases it's probably hard to tell the difference without knowing what the author was thinking at the time.

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  10. Another three fixup novels by eschasi · · Score: 1

    Joe Haldeman's excellent "The Forever War" was (is) a fixup. There was even a story left out of the novel because it was 'too depressing.' I was reading these as they came out, and remember that story. Yeah, depressing. Similarly, Stephen King's first Dark Tower book had a number of sections first appear in The Magazine of Fantasy and Science-Fiction. F&SF also published "The Forvelaka" (title?) and a few other stories that became the core of Glen Cooks first Black Company novel.

    1. Re:Another three fixup novels by crow · · Score: 1

      I remember doing "The Forever War" for my sci-fi book club. When we met to discuss it, we were shocked to find that we had read different versions. Depending on which printing you get, you may or may not get the depressing story in the middle. I don't believe it was ever written as separate stories, though. This was a case of an editor cutting something out, and then having it restored years later.

  11. Sometimes this helps, e.g. Beggars in Spain by Hussman32 · · Score: 2

    If you've ever read 'Beggars in Spain' by Nancy Kress, you'll see the first book is mostly short stories combined. It made for an interesting story told over time. 'Beggars and Choosers' was a novel, and it seemed to hurt the narrative.

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    1. Re:Sometimes this helps, e.g. Beggars in Spain by Daetrin · · Score: 1

      I'm confused, because it's really too bad that she never wrote a sequel to Beggars in Spain. And it's _really_ too bad that she never wrote a sequel to that theoretical sequel. I'm sure they would have worked out all their differences and everyone and everything would be happy and wonderful at the end of it!

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    2. Re: Sometimes this helps, e.g. Beggars in Spain by Hussman32 · · Score: 1

      She wrote 'Beggars and Choosers'. It's good enough to get, it's on Amazon as a used book.

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  12. Plus the obvious one by ThatsNotPudding · · Score: 2

    Clarke's The Sentinel was the fore-runner to 2001: A Space Odyssey.

    1. Re:Plus the obvious one by eschasi · · Score: 1

      As defined here, a fixup combines multiple short stories into an interlinked longer work. One short story as inspiration for a film and a later novel definitely is not a fixup.

  13. And if you haven't read Simak by xanthos · · Score: 4, Informative

    If you are unfamiliar with the work of Clifford Simak I strongly suggest that you give him a try. What I have always loved is that there is so much that is just unknown going on in his stories. No great hero's, no great battles, just a lot of "what the hell is going on here?"

    His last book "Highway of Eternity" is great and "Ring around the Sun" has always been a favorite as well. Most of his stuff is a short quick read abd us easily found in your favorite used book store (you do have one I hope).

    At a minimum read the novel synopsis over at Wikipedia to get a glimpse of a very interesting author.

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  14. Can't forget one of the classics by neminem · · Score: 2

    A Canticle for Leibowitz was originally three novellas as well.

    Interestingly, though this is fantasy rather than sci-fi, but Brandon Sanderson's recent epic, "Words of Radiance", was written as a trilogy with interstitial short stories - but meant from the beginning to have been published as a single book. (As per this interview.)

    1. Re:Can't forget one of the classics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dune originally appeared as two 3-part serializations in Analog in the early 60's (first one in '63 and the second in '65 IIRC).

    2. Re:Can't forget one of the classics by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      "Words of Radiance" is the second and not the last in a series of novels. I have yet to see Sanderson write a self-contained novel (he has managed to write self-contained shorter fiction).

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    3. Re:Can't forget one of the classics by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      A Canticle for Leibowitz was originally three novellas as well.

      That probably explains why it reads like three loosely connected stories then.

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  15. Similar with series by gurps_npc · · Score: 1
    It started with short stories - magazines were popular back when TV did not exist.

    Then books started taking over. They made more money for several reasons.

    Now a book is not profitable, at least not first ones. It takes time for authors to become famous enough to get enough readers.

    So the only way to make money writing a book is to do it in series. First one creates a market, the second one makes small profit, the third or greater one makes the real money.

    I can't see the trend continuing - having to write multiple series before you make a profit seems extreme. Or worse, not making any profit until it moved to video would be ridiculous.

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    1. Re:Similar with series by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      It's more the case that if an author writes a successful book, then more follow in a very similar vein. The following books also help the sales of the original. No number of novels will make a stinker sell, and attempting to do so is a waste of life.

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  16. Sounds like good TV by vanyel · · Score: 2

    Although this isn't news, it does make me realize that it is very similar to a style of TV show I rather like: episodes that can stand on their own, but with a strong story arc that plays out over a set of shows. Typically arcs run over a season or even several, though I would like to see them run over say a half dozen episodes so a given story arc is re-watchable in a reasonable amount of time.

    1. Re:Sounds like good TV by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      You're assuming that fix-ups involve the same characters. That need not be the case. For example, most people would probably categorize my first novel as a fix-up, because a chunk of it started as an unrelated short story that I adapted into the universe. It uses different characters, and is expressed as a flashback to the main character as a child, being told the secondary story by his grandfather (who otherwise plays a very insignificant role in the book).

      Other fix-ups interleave stories about different groups of characters that are happening at the same time. If done well, the result is indistinguishable from any other well-written third-person novel unless you've read one or more of the original stories.

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    2. Re:Sounds like good TV by swb · · Score: 1

      It grows tiresome quickly though when the series narrative only comes out in dribbles and is used mostly as a teaser. The "standalone" content is often formulaic and only loosely tied to the overarching narrative.

      I'm watching Fringe right now and it's so annoying to deal with basically the same episode structure over and over only to get bits and pieces of the larger narrative. Maybe it's just a JJ Abrams thing, but I'd rather have a true narrative that spans episodes than a mix of repetitive filler with only a small amount of the larger narrative.

    3. Re:Sounds like good TV by vanyel · · Score: 1

      As with all things, there are good ways of doing it and bad...

    4. Re:Sounds like good TV by swb · · Score: 1

      It seems like so much relies on the bad way of doing it. The larger narrative is just an annoying teaser that they don't seem to develop very well but tease out. It's seems like just laziness on the part of the writers.

      I think the best method is to have multiple story arcs. Very small stories that can fit into a single episode, medium sized ones that can span 2-4 episodes and a larger arc that spans the season and/or series.

    5. Re:Sounds like good TV by vanyel · · Score: 1

      I think Grimm is doing it about the best of any of them: you have the "Wessen of the week", there's the small arcs of various things happening in Portland and then you have the larger arc of the Royals/Resistance/Keys (which they could devote a little more time to admittedly). Combined with interesting characters and it's no wonder it's one of my favorite shows at the moment.

  17. Perhaps by NEDHead · · Score: 1

    The Illustrated Man?

    1. Re:Perhaps by rot26 · · Score: 1

      Yes. Also wins the prize for the worst tacked-on story-arc container. I like Bradbury's work, in general, but he's as asshole and this book was some hack's lame attempt at making a shitty movie.

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  18. blogs and online 'zines are the new serial? by mr_mischief · · Score: 1

    There are plenty of places to get readership for a serial these days. BOFH is but one example of a short short serial series. Lots of long-story web comics have a one-page comic out once or twice a week. Many people do a weekly tech blog, business blog, news blog, or politics blog, many of which are multiple case studies or ongoing case studies. Serialized fiction works great on TV. Serialized short stories could definitely find a nice niche again.

  19. Wheel of time was written this way.. by Bonzoli · · Score: 1

    If you look at the Wheel of time, it generally had 3-5 story lines running along the same time line. Just like Game of Thrones does now. This is not a new idea and its already improved on and successful for authors. The issue is how many authors can do a complex time lined parallel story without making crap?

  20. There are some modern examples by jandrese · · Score: 1

    Andy Wier's The Martian started life as a chapter at a time blog. It only became a novel later when people started asking for a version they could put on their Kindles. One advantage of this format is that the author gets feedback after each chapter and can fix things on the fly.

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  21. Vogt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I read every sci-fi short story I could get my hands on, usually in collections or anthologies. Once I ran out of short stories, I stopped reading science fiction. It just doesn't make it in novel form, with many great exceptions.

    1. Re:Vogt by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      I read every sci-fi short story I could get my hands on, usually in collections or anthologies. Once I ran out of short stories, I stopped reading science fiction. It just doesn't make it in novel form, with many great exceptions.

      So you claim to have read every single science fiction short story ever written?

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  22. two of the better fix-ups by prgrmr · · Score: 1

    Cities in Flight by James Blish, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J...

    and Catacomb Years by Michael Bishop http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M...

  23. Babylon 5 by crow · · Score: 2

    I was just scanning the comments to see if this point had already been made. Thanks!

    Perhaps the most obvious example of this was Babylon 5. In many ways that woke up television producers to the option of strong story arcs across seasons or even the entire show instead of the old rule that everything had to end back in the same state where it started. Sure, there are plenty of other examples, even before B5, but I think that is what really changed the market.

    Now it's standard practice for lots of shows: 24, Battlestar Galactica, Doctor Who, and many others.

    Of course, other factors now support this model that weren't really a factor with Babylon 5. Namely streaming video, DVRs, and DVDs. It's no longer a big obstacle to expect fans to not miss any episodes. Fans will stream the old episodes to catch up, record them, or buy the DVDs. In fact, the DVD market encourages strong arcs; I think people are more likely to want to own a complete story than a collection of independent episodes.

    1. Re:Babylon 5 by mjwx · · Score: 1

      I was just scanning the comments to see if this point had already been made. Thanks!

      Perhaps the most obvious example of this was Babylon 5. In many ways that woke up television producers to the option of strong story arcs across seasons or even the entire show instead of the old rule that everything had to end back in the same state where it started. Sure, there are plenty of other examples, even before B5, but I think that is what really changed the market.

      Now it's standard practice for lots of shows: 24, Battlestar Galactica, Doctor Who, and many others.

      B5 wasn't the first series to have a long overlapping story arc, but it was the one that refined it into what we know today. The Prisoner from the 60's is the earliest example I can think of off the top of my head.

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  24. Raymond Chandler: Killer in the Rain by pmarinus · · Score: 1

    The preface to the collection "Killer in the Rain" discusses how Chandler repurposed plot, character and description from these short stories to create "The Big Sleep," "Farewell My Lovely," and "Lady in the Lake." The stories were originally published in pulp magazines and most were not republished until after his death. Short stories can help a writer discover her/his voice, develop characters, and possibly an audience.

    1. Re:Raymond Chandler: Killer in the Rain by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As long as we're straying from science fiction, Wise Blood was written as a series of short stories that Flannery O'Connor modified and expanded to form a novel.

  25. common with 19th century novels by peter303 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Including famous authors like Dickens and Hawthorne. You'd get a new chpater in every monthly magazine.

    1. Re:common with 19th century novels by DerekLyons · · Score: 2

      That's serialization (which is, in SF, far more common), not compilation (the topic of TFA).

    2. Re:common with 19th century novels by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Including famous authors like Dickens and Hawthorne. You'd get a new chpater in every monthly magazine.

      Those works were originally published in serial form, but they were always meant to represent a single story. So I would distinguish them from fix-ups. You can often tell from the internal structure. For example, Foundation and Martin Chuzzlewit are both episodic, but the former has a series of conflicts, resolutions, and (pasted-in) transitions, whereas the latter has a series of cliffhangers. In Foundation where it would make sense to insert "The End" at various point, and in Martin Chuzzlewit it would make sense to place "To Be Continued" (Same Dickens-time, same Dickens-channel...)

    3. Re:common with 19th century novels by radtea · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Others have pointed out that these were serials, not fixups, although some Victorian authors may have published fixups: the concept is ancient.

      Two examples:

      1) the Iliad is probably a fixup. The first bunch of books are heavily focused on Diomedes, who then more-or-less disappears completely from the story. There is some contention that the parts of books V and VI dealing with him were once a separate story.

      2) going even further back, Gilgamesh is probably a fixup. There's a good deal of evidence that it was assembled from pre-existing stories of Gilgamesh and Enkidu (and also Utnapishtim, the Chaldean "Noah" who was lifted by the early Hebrews along with so much else).

      3) and the Bible itself, which seems to have been written rather late in Jewish history, almost certainly assembled from pre-existing stand-alone tales, which explains the contradictions in the two stories of creation and so on.

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    4. Re:common with 19th century novels by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Traditional science fiction serials were somewhat the reverse: take a story, and divide it up into several smaller chunks, each of which would work as a story in its own right, although most would have cliffhangers rather than resolutions.

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  26. sort of by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Some of the short stories (like Dickens magazine publication) were carved out from novels to be able to be published in magazine format. And some novels (Farmer's Riverworld) were carved out of even larger manuscripts.
    And now on Amazon, authors have found the payment plan encourages them to write many really short e-books rather than one novel.

    The major advantage of a first time novelist weaving together a bunch of short stories is that the learning mistakes can be gotten out of the way quickly and then revised as the pieces are stitched together.

  27. Try that today ... by Old+Bitsmasher · · Score: 1

    ...and the Internet pedants will pillory you for "self-plagiarism." (Unless they agree with your politics :-))

  28. Short Storie woven into "novels" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Other examples -
    James Blish: Cities in Flight "series"
    James White - Sector General novels
    all the Perry Rhodan books (how many of you have heard of let alone read these?)
    E E Smith - Triplanetary
    Randall Garret - Lord Darcy (technically a fantasy, but damned interesting in the use of logic and magic)
    John W Campbell - take your pick

  29. Screenwriting by Webs+101 · · Score: 1

    Despite different origins, there's a screenwriting theory that forces this process. The mini-movie method asks writer to create eight "stories" that as a whole are supposed to result in a satisfying movie. In brief:

    • Mini-movie 1: Our hero’s status quo, his ordinary life, ends with an inciting incident or call to adventure.
    • Mini-movie 2: Our hero’s denial of the call, and his gradually being locked into the conflict brought on by this call.
    • Mini-movie 3: Our hero’s first attempts to solve his problem, the first things that anyone with this problem would try, appealing to outside authority to help him. Ends when all these avenues are shut to our hero.
    • Mini-movie 4: Our hero spawns a more grandiose, more extreme plan. He prepares for it, gathers what materials and allies he may need then puts the plan into action -- only to have it go horribly wrong, usually due to certain vital information the hero lacked about the forces of antagonism allied against him.
    • Mini-movie 5: Having created his plan to solve his problem without changing, our hero is confronted by his need to change, eyes opened to his own weaknesses, driven by the antagonist to change or die. He retreats to lick his wounds.
    • Mini-movie 6: Our hero spawns a new plan, but now he’s ready to change. He puts this plan into action...and is very nearly destroyed by it. And then...a revelation.
    • Mini-movie 7: The revelation allows our hero to see victory, and he rejoins the battle with a new fervor, finally turning the tables on his antagonist and arrives at apparent victory. And then the tables turn one more time!
    • Mini-movie 8: The hero puts down the antagonist’s last attempt to defeat him, wraps up his story and any sub-plots, and moves into the new world he and his story have created.

    I suppose it results in formulaic movies

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  30. refer Clute et als Science Fiction Encyclopedia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    From the encyclopedia - a theme entry on fixups (I love the encyclopedia's theme entries)

    "'fixup' was a term created by AE Van Vogt

    "picked up and popularised by SFE in 1979

    "fixups more common in sf than any other English literature

    IMHO its a key part of the case for novella length as being the ideal form for sf stories.

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  31. paging captain obvious by lee+n.+field · · Score: 1

    Many classic SF novels are knit together from previous short stories -- I thought everyone knew this.

  32. Fantastic Voyage - movie to book by myid · · Score: 2

    When Fantastic Voyage was being made into a movie, Bantam Books asked Isaac Asimov to write the story as a book. From the Wikipedia article, "Because the novelization was released six months before the movie, many people mistakenly believed Asimov's book had inspired the film." Asimov made some changes that he thought had to be made, but he kept to the movie's plot as much as possible.

  33. A screenplay rule of thumb by PapayaSF · · Score: 2

    A rule of thumb is that one page of a screenplay is about one minute of screen time. Interestingly, this works whether the page is dialog, description, action, or some combination. So if a 120 page screenplay means a movie of about two hours, most novels need to be drastically cut to be turned into practical screenplays.

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  34. Fantasy Too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not just SciFi, but Fantasy too! Thieves World FTW!

  35. Publication by tehcyder · · Score: 1

    Just because a novel was published as a series of short stories doesn't mean that it was written as a series of stories then lashed to gether later. The author may have intended it to be a single novel all along.

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    1. Re:Publication by RockDoctor · · Score: 1
      ... or planned a novel, which he then sliced up into short-story-sized parts for publication.

      Innovative? Bullshit! Dickens was doing this 150 years ago. The only significant difference was that Dickens had guarantees of the order in which his installments would be published. but he still needed to set up each story (not everyone would have got all the previous parts), continue the established story lines, and lead to a cliff-hanger for the end of the episode. Lather, rinse, repeat.

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  36. Foundation a "Fix-Up"? by doccus · · Score: 1

    What a pile of utter tripe. It's a frikkin SERIES.. that always belonged together. This is a non-sequiter for a /. post, IMHO..