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FCC Posts Its 400-Page Net Neutrality Order

jriding sends word that the FCC has released new rules outlining its recently officialized role as internet regulator. Simply titled "Open Internet FCC-15-24A1," the order runs 400 pages. The actual text of the new rules is only 305 words long. [FCC head Tom] Wheeler said reclassifying broadband as an utility gives the FCC its best shot at withstanding legal challenges. The courts have twice tossed out earlier rules aimed at protecting Internet openness. The FCC chairman has said repeatedly the agency does not intend to set rates or add new taxes to broadband bills. More than 100 pages of the 400-page document released Thursday explain that forbearance. AT&T had hinted it would file a lawsuit once the new rules become public. The company's chief lobbyist, Jim Cicconi, didn't indicate Thursday when or even if AT&T would sue — only that the battle is far from over. "Unfortunately, the order released today begins a period of uncertainty that will damage broadband investment in the United States," Cicconi said. "Ultimately, though, we are confident the issue will be resolved by bipartisan action by Congress or a future FCC, or by the courts."

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  1. We'll know if its a good bill.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ....by whether or not AT&T sues.

    1. Re:We'll know if its a good bill.. by Smidge204 · · Score: 4, Informative

      http://www.fcc.gov/guides/unde...

      The access charge is not mandated by the FCC and the universal service charge is not required to be passed on to you (telcos do it because the FCC can't stop them.)

      So... stop lying, basically.
      =Smidge=

  2. Issue will be resolved... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "Ultimately, though, we are confident the issue will be resolved by bipartisan action by Congress or a future FCC, or by the courts."

    AKA, We will get our way once we buy off enough people.

    1. Re:Issue will be resolved... by Holi · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You know I am getting tired of this anti government rhetoric. Since when in your life has the FCC ever done anything that caused you more harm then the ISP's

      And tell me how hurt are the phone companies from having to deal with their title 2 status? How about FedEx or UPS and their motor common carrier status under the Motor Carrier Act of 1935? You see all regulation as bad? Then you really should study our history and see why these regulations were absolutely necessary.

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    2. Re:Issue will be resolved... by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And tell me how hurt are the phone companies from having to deal with their title 2 status? How about FedEx or UPS and their motor common carrier status under the Motor Carrier Act of 1935? You see all regulation as bad? Then you really should study our history and see why these regulations were absolutely necessary.

      Thank you. I've made this argument several times before. Although I am pretty solidly Libertarian and I don't believe in UNnecessary regulation, Title II regulation for phone companies was necessary and it worked just fine for 60 years or more. And there is very good argument that it should have applied to the Internet from Day 1.

      Big ISPs have a virtual monopoly on Broadband over more than 80% of the U.S. It's a de facto oligopoly, which free market -- as much as I believe in the concept -- won't fix. There IS a time for government regulation, and this is one of them.

  3. What's this "bipartisan Congress" thingie... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "Ultimately, though, we are confident the issue will be resolved by bipartisan action by Congress or a future FCC, or by the courts."

    What is he smoking and where can I get some?

    1. Re:What's this "bipartisan Congress" thingie... by alvinrod · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I think he means that they'll be bribing^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hcontributing to both political parties to pass some laws.

  4. Re:...a period of uncertainty.... by jythie · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Ever notice that 'uncertainty' seems to always be something that someone else is responsible for?

  5. LOL damage broadband investment by Crashmarik · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ATT hasn't invested in decades and does as little as it can get away with to maintain its existing infrastructure.

    As it stands they don't even replace failing equipment, just shift it around so the problems hit different customers.

    1. Re:LOL damage broadband investment by NormalVisual · · Score: 5, Interesting

      AT&T has been laying fiber for their U-Verse rollout. They dug up a whole bunch of land in town here a few years ago, and when they were done, the salesman came by to ask if we wanted to sign up for the newly available U-Verse.

      The AT&T sales guy came around a couple of weeks ago to tout the new fiber rollout in my area. Here's how it went:

      AT&T guy: "Did you know that AT&T is laying fiber in your area?"
      Me: "No, that's great. How fast is the fastest speed you'll be offering when it's in?"
      AT&T: "Let me look...[rifles through papers]...says here it will be 18 Mbps."
      Me: "That's already available here now over your copper lines."
      AT&T: "Really? What do you have now?"
      Me: "I've got a 12 Mbps U-verse business account with five static IPs. The 18 Mbps service is already too expensive for such a small bump, and it doesn't sound like the fiber offering is otherwise going to make any difference at all for me. The *only* reason I'm with AT&T is that Comcast has a ridiculous installation fee for business accounts."

      The guy hemmed and hawed a little bit more, and eventually left looking rather dejected. Seriously, only 18 Mbps over fiber?

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  6. The actual text of the new rules is only 305 words by Pope+Hagbard · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So much for the ZOMG 300-ODD PAGES fucktards. Bet they don't come back and admit they were wrong either.

  7. The Rules by Jason+Levine · · Score: 5, Informative

    In case the 500 pages scare off anyone, he's the TDLR version:

    1) No Blocking - An ISP can't block legal content for any reason. So Comcast can't decide that you can't get to Disney's website anymore because they are having a cable TV dispute with Disney over ESPN.

    2) No Throttling - An ISP can't say "you have broadband Internet" and then tell you "you've used too much so now you're stuck at dial-up speeds." If they want to have caps - e.g. only 500GB of data per month - they need to clearly specify this limitation. ("the Order builds on the strong foundation established in 2010 and enhances the transparency rule for both end users and edge providers, including by adopting a requirement that broadband providers always must disclose
    promotional rates, all fees and/or surcharges, and all data caps or data allowances")

    3) No Paid Prioritization - An ISP can't tell a website that the website will be slowed down unless they pay for "fast lane access." (Note: This doesn't mean the ISP can't sell users faster speeds for more money. Just that ISPs can't try to double-dip by charging web content providers to allow/speed up their traffic through the ISP's network as well as charging users for the Internet access to get the web content.)

    All in all, pretty common sense stuff. It's a shame that it had to come down to a government agency saying this, but the ISPs only have themselves (and their greed) to blame.

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    1. Re:The Rules by habig · · Score: 5, Informative

      Actually, this is the first thing to come out of Government in a while that actually makes senses ... and I generally lean pretty libertarian.

      Net access has a lot of parallels with other utilities (large infrastructure costs means little competition). In the case of phone companies, it's almost a one-for-one swap anyway: land lines are going the way of the dodo, but many of us now mostly use network packets for phone calls anyway (both actual voip phones and skype-like services).

      One can argue whether utility regulation itself is a good or bad thing: but network service quacks and waddles an awful lot like a utility-shaped duck, any way you slice it.

  8. Here is a direct PDF link to the rules by waspleg · · Score: 5, Informative

    As posted by the Washington Post to Scribd. Since my submission was rejected.

    The rules start on page 283.

  9. Re:...a period of uncertainty.... by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 4, Funny

    Well, sure. I always know what I'm going to do. it's those other idiots who are so damn unpredictable.

  10. Re:Have we handed the government control over it? by StikyPad · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You mean how dirty phone calls are illegal? Or porn on cable TV? Or fearmongering on the Internet?

  11. Re:Have we handed the government control over it? by BlueBlade · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Having the government enforce neutrality is actually a very good thing. You read slashdot, so you must be at least a little bit technically inclined, so let me explain what prompted this. Net neutrality has been the default state of the internet since its beginning. How it works :

      - Someone runs a service on a computer and needs it accessible to the internet. This range from big (search engine, email) to tiny and personal (minecraft server, voice chat like teamspeak). They pay an ISP to connect their servers to the internet.
      - End users want access to the internet. They pay an ISP to connect their home to the internet.

    ISPs would charge each according to their needs (link speed, usage, etc) Obviously, there's more than one ISP, so they connect to each others through high-capacity links. This is called peering.

    At first, anybody could be an ISP because it used a phone line. You'd dial a number, connect to your ISP and then gain access to the internet. Competition during those days was fierce and customers were fought over. Then, higher speed were needed. Sending data through an encoded voice channel was not sufficient anymore, so cable and telephone companies started using the copper lines directly. This practically killed competition because, unlike with phone lines, ISPs didn't have to give access to their infrastructure to competitors. Obviously, you can't allow 30 different companies to dig under the streets and wire different cables to every house, so what you do is you allow only one or two, but you regulate it. This is called a natural monopoly.

    Now, these companies are huge and they essentially have a captive customer base. Some customers may have a choice between two providers (mostly phone or cable), but that means that two companies will control any local market. What this means is that they can both raise prices, and as long as they charge mostly equivalent prices, they make much more profit than if they competed to bring price down. This is called an oligarchy.

    These companies finally realized that they had even more power than they first thought. They said "Hey, we've got 30% of the whole country as customers on our own network, why not exploit this as a money source by cutting off access to them unless we get paid?". So now, service companies like Google, in addition to paying for their own internet access, have to pay the individual ISPs for access to their customers. These customers don't have any choice in the matter, because of our natural monopoly. Genius! That's what Comcast and Verizon tried to do companies like Netflix and Google (youtube).

    This isn't how the internet is supposed to work and it's obvious that the telcos aren't adding any value by doing this. They are only abusing their monopolies as middle-men to extort money for services already paid for. This what what prompted this whole legislation.

    It baffles me how little people seem to be aware of the issue. Every single person who knows how the internet works thinks this law was needed and the only dissenting views are simply preying on ignorance.

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  12. Re:Have we handed the government control over it? by BlueBlade · · Score: 5, Informative

    The actual issue is that Verizon was peering with the Neflix ISP (Cogent) with a 2Gbps link for ALL of their customers. The NOC where that link was located had plenty of capacity on the cogent side, but Verizon was refusing to upgrade it. Netflix even offered to buy them the router (we're talking only like $25K here) so that they could upgrade to a 10Gbps link, but Verizon flatly refused unless they were paid money. There was no internal congestion at all on Verizon's network that justified this. I'd say the issue was pretty clearly on Verizon's side there.

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  13. Re:Regulations are all bad in the long term by sjames · · Score: 4, Informative

    Yes, the 1935 law absolutely blocked innovative package delivery services such as UPS and FedEx from even getting start..... Er, wait a minute!

  14. Re:Regulations are all bad in the long term by GerryGilmore · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I do have mod points, but I'd rather respond directly. You do know, don't you, that you undercut your own argument by referencing the superior state of internet access in Europe? Especially as Europe is, in general, much thicker in regulations than here in America. Besides the national laws (and, again, this is Europe we're talikng about), you have an ever-growing raft of EU-wide regulations. Please square that logical circle for us, if you logically can.

  15. Re:Have we handed the government control over it? by BlueBlade · · Score: 5, Informative

    I'm going to reply to my own comment for the sake of not being disingenuous by omission.

    The whole Verizon / Cogent peering issue was a little more complicated that. Initially, peering agreements were made between ISPs and they were fairly simple to manage. If one side was generating an unbalanced amount of traffic, they had to pay the other side.

    The problem is that only worked when ISPs had the same profile : some servers, some end-users. Cogent doesn't provide service to end users, only to big businesses. As a consequence, almost all of their traffic is push, with very little flowing the other way. ISPs like Verizon took that as an excuse to claim that the peering was unbalanced, even if all the requests for that bandwidth was coming from their own users. The truth is that Verizon is already charging their users for that bandwidth, so requiring the other side to pay for access to their network is basically extortion.

    The only reason they were able to do that at all is because of the natural monopoly that they have regarding the "last mile" cabling into people's home. Regulation is the only way to keep competition healthy when you have these natural monopolies in place. Verizon wanted to have their cake and eat it too. This is why this law was badly needed.

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  16. Re:Have we handed the government control over it? by BlueBlade · · Score: 5, Informative

    You're wrong. Have you read the document? It boils down to only 3 things, which are exactly about net neutrality :

    - No throttling of lawful data, no matter the source or destination.
    - No blocking lawful data, no matter the source or destination.
    - No paid prioritization, no matter the source or destination.

    That's all there's in this law. Nothing else. How exactly is this a bad law?

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