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In Historic Turn, CO2 Emissions Flatline In 2014, Even As Global Economy Grows

mdsolar sends this report from Forbes: A key stumbling block in the effort to combat global warming has been the intimate link between greenhouse gas emissions and economic growth. When times are good and industries are thriving, global energy use traditionally increases and energy-related carbon dioxide emissions also go up. Only when economies stumble and businesses shutter — as during the most recent financial crisis — does energy use typically decline, in turn bringing down planet-warming emissions.

But for the first time in nearly half a century, that synchrony between economic growth and energy-related emissions seems to have been broken, according to the Paris-based International Energy Agency, prompting its chief economist to wonder if an important new pivot point has been reached — one that decouples economic vigor and carbon pollution. The IEA pegged carbon dioxide emissions for 2014 at 32.3 billion metric tons — essentially the same volume as 2013, even as the global economy grew at a rate of about 3 percent. Whether the disconnect is a mere fluke or a true harbinger of a paradigm shift is impossible to know. The IEA suggested that decreasing use of coal in China — and upticks in renewable electricity generation there using solar, wind and hydropower — could have contributed to the reversal.

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  1. Meanwhile... by ckatko · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ...A man has cancer, and and he's still getting sicker, but not sicker at a faster rate, so I'm sure he'll be just fine.

    1. Re:Meanwhile... by Coren22 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If you thought it was easy to cure all the world's ills, wouldn't you expect it to of already happened?

      The world doesn't stop on a dime, it takes time to switch to low CO2 technologies.

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    2. Re:Meanwhile... by microbox · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Don't be so pessimistic -- we have the technological know-how to fix this problem, or at least, we are pretty close, and the right things are in the pipeline, to become mature when we need them. The article is alluding to this fact. The problem with AGW is political will, and bloody mindedness from the "truther" crowd.

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    3. Re:Meanwhile... by duck_rifted · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That depends upon whether curing the world's ills would too negatively impact those who hold the most power and wealth. I sincerely believe that when it really comes down to it, there are very powerful people who would rather see the world end than stop getting richer while it lasts.

    4. Re:Meanwhile... by Obfuscant · · Score: 4, Insightful

      More importantly, this strains the argument that green technologies threaten economic growth.

      No, what it does is require an answer to the question: what is the margin of error on the CO2 emission data? It's not a direct measurement, it has to be an estimate. If the error in the estimate is more than the 3% of the economic growth number, then this data proves nothing at all. The CO2 levels could have actually gone up 3% to match the economy.

    5. Re:Meanwhile... by itzly · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Immigration will help somewhat

      Only if the immigrants are willing to work hard. That's not true for quite a few of immigrants we see in Europe.

    6. Re:Meanwhile... by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1, Insightful

      The amount of trees a private household burns is irrelevant. They are CO2 neutral as they consume the exact same amount you release when they regrow.

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  2. Re:Woohoo! Call off the Apocalypse! by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 1, Insightful

    That's the sad thing. Sadly politicians don't understand that. So the GOP wants to cut Social Security over some potential threat by Baby Boomers but Global Warming - which has far more dire consequences - they're willing to kick the can down the road. Nice.

  3. Not necessarily by JBMcB · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It could also be a result of increased biomass eating up more CO2. Someone needs to compare biomass via satellite mapping with the usage levels of natural gas, wood, coal and oil.

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  4. Cling Away by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    As the pile of evidence contrary to the Global Warming Doomsday narrative continues to grow, a new kind of "Denier" is born.

    Coming up on 20 years with no statistical warming which no one predicted and no one can explain. (Or, take you pick of about 20 contradictory explanations).

  5. Re:Two problems by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Until the price dropped and it became uneconomic. Current fracking is just using sunk infrastructure costs, but unless the price goes back up again, fracking will die.

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  6. Re:Woohoo! Call off the Apocalypse! by cogeek · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Wow, the level of ignorance here is astounding. When Barack and company had both the White House and both houses of Congress, just how much did they get accomplished on this? Or did they too "kick the can down the road?" Politicians are all alike, and if you don't comprehend that then just keep feeding on what they're shoveling to you. Maybe your determined consumption of political bull$h!t will cut down on some cow's carbon footprint.

  7. Why all the anger? by PopeRatzo · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Why does it seem to piss off so many people that there is a bit of good news? What the hell is wrong with needing less and less fossil fuel?

    It's like every time there's any story that indicates renewable resources are becoming for efficient and economical, there has to be this rage over, "But alternative energy's going to kill us all and make us have to live in caves!"

    I guess once you've grabbed hold of a narrative, you'd rather die than give it up. Little by little, step by step, we're going to need less fossil fuel. Don't worry, we'll let you keep your Hummer H3 matchbox cars to play with.

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  8. Re:Disconnect between ... by Tailhook · · Score: 5, Insightful

    And lack of demand for oil is due to economic growth?

    Obviously not. The GP is inventing a narrative to fit his worldview.

    The oversupply that has dropped oil prices is not due to lack of demand. The oversupply has been created by N. American independent oil producers that have absolutely flooded the market with non-cartel controlled oil. There is so much oil sloshing around N. America that they are having trouble finding places to store it. This activity, combined with an effective moratorium on pipeline construction, is why you keep reading news stories about oil train derailments, fires and explosions.

    Crucially, this new supply of oil is not controlled by international oil cartels. Prior to the fracking boom, most oil production (on the order of 93%) was controlled by nationalized oil companies. These nations collude to constrain supply. The appearance of a huge supply of non-cartel oil has broken this arrangement and caused a price collapse.

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  9. E=P*S/T by hey! · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Where
        E = Environmental impact
        P = Population
        S = Standard of living
        T = Technology

    I was at a symposium some twenty years ago when I saw a well known environmentalist write that on the board. He wasn't being literal mind you; this equation was a metaphor for how these factors interact.

    The world's population is increasing, and already many people are living in dire poverty. We naturally want to raise their standard of living, but that will raise their level of consumption which combined with their growing numbers could have devastating environmental consequences. Fortunately raising the living standards of people tends to reduce the number of children they have, so we have something of a lucky break there, but populations are still likely to grow under any development scenario.

    The message was this: if we want to preserve the environment AND raise living standards, we have to get our asses in gear on green technology.

    Now I think it's premature to declare success based on preliminary data about one year; the "win" could disappear with the discovery of a few accounting errors. But I think there's no question technology has got greener and that helps.

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  10. Re:Woohoo! Call off the Apocalypse! by quantaman · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Wow, the level of ignorance here is astounding. When Barack and company had both the White House and both houses of Congress, just how much did they get accomplished on this? Or did they too "kick the can down the road?" Politicians are all alike, and if you don't comprehend that then just keep feeding on what they're shoveling to you. Maybe your determined consumption of political bull$h!t will cut down on some cow's carbon footprint.

    Unfortunately US politics is a lot more complex than that. The Democrats as a whole probably did want to get something done, however the Republicans REALLY didn't want to do anything even on things they could agree with, for something like Global Warming they would have been able to make it extraordinarily costly to do something.

    The Democrats simply didn't have the popular support to enact a serious climate policy, especially after they spent all their political capital on health care reform and economic stimulus.

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  11. Re:Woohoo! Call off the Apocalypse! by phantomfive · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The Democrats simply didn't have the popular support to enact a serious climate policy,

    That's the real kicker. If the public support were there, they would get something done, and Republicans would go along (heck, as hypocritical as politicians are, they might lead the charge. Even Bush supported climate change legislation when it was convenient). If public support were there, then politicians who didn't pretend to go along would be voted out of office.

    Even dictators work to manipulate public opinion, because even they know their power ultimately relies on the people.

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