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Lawsuit Over Quarter Horse's Clone May Redefine Animal Breeding

schwit1 sends this report from the LA Times: "Lynx Melody Too, a clone of a renowned quarter horse, is at the center of a lawsuit that could change the world of animal breeding and competition. Texas horse breeder Jason Abraham and veterinarian Gregg Veneklasen sued the American Quarter Horse Assn., claiming that Lynx Melody Too should be allowed to register as an official quarter horse. A Texas jury decided in their favor in 2013, but a three-judge panel of the U.S. 5th Circuit Court of Appeals reversed that ruling in January, saying there was 'insufficient' evidence of wrongdoing by the association.

The suit is among the first to deal with the status of clones in breeding and competition, and its outcome could impact a number of fields, including thoroughbred horse racing and dog breeding. The quarter horse association is adamant that clones and their offspring have no place in its registry. "It's what AQHA was founded on — tracking and preserving the pedigrees of these American quarter horses," said Tom Persechino, executive director of marketing for the association. "When a person buys an American quarter horse, they want to know that my quarter horse has the blood of these horses running through it, not copies of it."

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  1. Weak, sentimental, nonsense. by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "they want to know that my quarter horse has the blood of these horses running through it, not copies of it"

    Unless American quarter horses are sinister equine vampires of some kind, I'm fairly sure that no quarter horse has the blood of any other quarter horse, let alone multiple quarter horses, running through it. That's just not this 'heredity' stuff works.

    1. Re:Weak, sentimental, nonsense. by Deadstick · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Perhaps some people worship animal pedigrees because it's no longer socially acceptable to do it with humans...

    2. Re:Weak, sentimental, nonsense. by khchung · · Score: 5, Insightful

      In this case wouldn't the clone be more valuable, since it actually has the blood of an other quarter horse running through it?

      Obviously, logical thinking is unacceptable when one's income is threatened by it.

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    3. Re:Weak, sentimental, nonsense. by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Obviously, logical thinking is unacceptable when one's income is threatened by it.

      Well, that is the real issue. Cloning could totally disrupt horse breeding. Why bother with lots of trial and error, when you can just clone a hundred copies of Secretariat? Barriers to entry would be far lower, stud fees would disappear, and horse racing attendance may drop from lack of interest in watching identical horses compete. For thoroughbreds, not only is cloning banned, but they don't even allow artificial insemination or embryo transfer. The whole industry is predicated on artificial scarcity.

    4. Re:Weak, sentimental, nonsense. by macs4all · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Obviously, logical thinking is unacceptable when one's income is threatened by it.

      Well, that is the real issue. Cloning could totally disrupt horse breeding. Why bother with lots of trial and error, when you can just clone a hundred copies of Secretariat? Barriers to entry would be far lower, stud fees would disappear, and horse racing attendance may drop from lack of interest in watching identical horses compete. For thoroughbreds, not only is cloning banned, but they don't even allow artificial insemination or embryo transfer. The whole industry is predicated on artificial scarcity.

      But then, you could have an entirely different race, the IROC of horse-racing; where the only difference was (supposedly) the skill of the Jockeys and the horses' "crews"...

    5. Re:Weak, sentimental, nonsense. by dAzED1 · · Score: 4, Informative

      "(i.e., a perfect copy of a previous, 'natural-born' horse)" - it's not that. Not at all. Even if the horse lives, and seems to have a healthy life, and breeds...its children could have problems. Or maybe the clone will just be fine for 5 years, and suddenly have problems.

      Your dna /ages/ in a sense. Unless you're cloning an infant, there are differences...and even then really, since even an infant has lost telomeres, and a variety of other things. If you cloned a blastocyst, it would probably be ok. Anything after that...problems occur, and we don't yet fully know why. More importantly, we don't know how to test for the potential problems, since we don't have a complete picture of what causes them. It is correct to exclude clones, in as much as it can be correct to worry about breed purity in the first place. You do understand that fields such as epigenetics and cloning in general are pretty much in their own infancy right now, right?

    6. Re:Weak, sentimental, nonsense. by danbert8 · · Score: 4, Funny

      I'm envisioning this going the way of NASCAR and there end up being massive horse pileups to keep the crowd entertained...

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  2. of course they are worried by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    If they can clone 1/4 horse today, it won't be long until they can clone an entire horse.

  3. Begun the Clone War has. by PPH · · Score: 4, Funny

    n/t

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  4. Or Course they will never allow it by wisnoskij · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It completely destroys their monopoly. They basically just discovered how to factory produce diamonds, they have to make sure they are never worth as much or their entire organisation is doomed.

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  5. Sounds like horseshit to me. by Johnny+Loves+Linux · · Score: 4, Insightful

    said Tom Persechino, executive director of marketing for the association. "When a person buys an American quarter horse, they want to know that my quarter horse has the blood of these horses running through it, not copies of it."

    Does Mr. Persechino not understand what the word "copy" means? Perhaps he's never met twins?

    It sounds a lot like the diamond industry where they finally perfected an industrial means of making diamonds at a much lower price than the ones that De Beers charge for their "precious" diamonds. So what does the "precious" diamond industry do? They claim that manufactured diamonds aren't as "precious" as the ones they dig out of the ground. No shit Sherlock! The price is set by the supply, but now the supply is not so small now is it? And as for the diamonds? I don't think they "care" whether they're made in some deep volcanic process or in an industrial plant. They're still... DIAMONDS!

  6. Missing the point by davmoo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yes, the American Quarter Horse Association is woefully ignorant of science and biology here. But none of that matters. The bottom line is the association is a private, non-governmental organization, and provided they are following federal law and state law where they are headquartered, they should have the right to admit or bar any horse they want. If they decide to bar white horses because its Tuesday, that's their privilege.

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  7. Clone != exact copy by goombah99 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    As we saw with Dolly the Sheep, a clone is not an exact copy of an animal. It may contain nearly all the DNA information but first this DNA may be damaged (if nothing else, shortened telomers) and second it may not contain all the exact matrilineal content. This include both midocondral DNA as well as an epigenetic controls the mother's cell line places on its DNA. It is possible someone could have take those into account and made the best possible approximation to those. But it also possible that the crucial developmental characteristics of a quarter horse are in those missing elements.

    Thus at a minimum the Quarter horse association could reasonably say that unless the donor cell line is from a quarter horse, it is not a quarter horse. It would also be someone reasonable to say that even with that precaution the shortened telomers mean this is a genetically damaged quarter horse and they want to exclude it from breeding with genetically healthy quarter horses.

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