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Scientific Study Finds There Are Too Many Scientific Studies

HughPickens.com writes: Chris Matyszczyk reports at Cnet that a new scientific study concludes there are too many scientific studies — scientists simply can't keep track of all the studies in their field. The paper, titled "Attention Decay in Science," looked at all publications (articles and reviews) written in English till the end of 2010 within the database of the Thomson Reuters (TR) Web of Science. For each publication they extracted its year of publication, the subject category of the journal in which it is published and the corresponding citations to that publication. The 'decay' the researchers investigated is how quickly a piece of research is discarded measured by establishing the initial publication, the peak in its popularity and, ultimately, its disappearance from citations in subsequent publications.

"Nowadays papers are forgotten more quickly. Attention, measured by the number and lifetime of citations, is the main currency of the scientific community, and along with other forms of recognition forms the basis for promotions and the reputation of scientists," says the study. "Typically, the citation rate of a paper increases up to a few years after its publication, reaches a peak and then decreases rapidly. This decay can be described by an exponential or a power law behavior, as in ultradiffusive processes, with exponential fitting better than power law for the majority of cases (PDF). The decay is also becoming faster over the years, signaling that nowadays papers are forgotten more quickly." Matyszczyk says,"If publication has become too easy, there will be more and more of it."

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  1. "Publish or die" killed the science star by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Predictable, but sad outcome of the popularity contest that our lives have been converted to. Now mandatory for nearly all lifestyles and incomes.

    1. Re:"Publish or die" killed the science star by peragrin · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Or maybe the fact that there are more scientists publishing today than there were 20 years ago.

      The article not the study, completely ignores one fact. The world population has tripled in 70 years. More papers being published is a result of more people existing. While not the sole reason, it is something to remember.

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    2. Re:"Publish or die" killed the science star by riverat1 · · Score: 2

      And I'll add to that science is progressing faster than in the past. Computers help speed up analysis. More researchers help speed the process.

      Regarding cites, as science progresses the people getting the cites now are the ones who cited the earlier paper before. It would be interesting to see a cite tree to see how people who cited you are getting cited and so on. That might be the real measure of the strength of a study.

      (Sorry to reply to myself but I had to add that.)

    3. Re:"Publish or die" killed the science star by gweihir · · Score: 5, Insightful

      And even worse: Publish positive results or die. As a consequence, failed experiments get repeated all the time, because nobody else knew they failed and there is a high level of incentives to lie or at least overstate success. The root-cause, IMO, is the bean-counters that allocate funding. They do not understand that Science is exploration, that mostly it will fail and that well-documented failure is just as important as success and does not in any way reflect negatively on the scientists involved. But the bean-counters only want to see "success", and by that they make it much, much harder to obtain.

      Scientific culture needs to re-invent itself. As it is, it is mostly a problem and does not benefit society much anymore.

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    4. Re:"Publish or die" killed the science star by jellomizer · · Score: 2

      19th century system to a 21st century world.
      Science today is far more complex then it was a hundred years ago. Back then it was easy to get a superstar scientist. Experiment with a few hundred dollars of equipment you can find a new principal. Publish it and you are big news.
      Most of the easy stuff had been found we get some rare finds such as the discovery of graphine, but most of today's work is with expensive equipment needing a larger teams of scientist. That publish or parish methodology is antiquated. The better approach would be open and accessable sharing of data and results in real time where more can work on you work of progress, and less trying to be Mr. Know it all scientist, who will get the Nobel prize for stumbling on the best answer.

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    5. Re:"Publish or die" killed the science star by dj245 · · Score: 2

      19th century system to a 21st century world. Science today is far more complex then it was a hundred years ago. Back then it was easy to get a superstar scientist. Experiment with a few hundred dollars of equipment you can find a new principal. Publish it and you are big news. Most of the easy stuff had been found we get some rare finds such as the discovery of graphine, but most of today's work is with expensive equipment needing a larger teams of scientist. That publish or parish methodology is antiquated. The better approach would be open and accessable sharing of data and results in real time where more can work on you work of progress, and less trying to be Mr. Know it all scientist, who will get the Nobel prize for stumbling on the best answer.

      There is plenty of easy science still yet to be done in taboo subjects. The possibilities for illegal drugs alone are huge. Can't get funding? Crowdfund it. There are plenty of people who will contribute to good science in these areas, like this one which essentially is just putting people on LSD in a fMRI machine and looking at the results. I donated some money and it looks like 1279 other people did too. They are currently at 177% of their funding goal with 34 days remaining.

      Right now, there are obviously a lot of donors and too few studies using crowd funding. That will surely change in the near future but I still think that is a far easier task to find 1280 people willing to give you $50 instead of finding 1 person willing to write a check for $66,000 (44,500 British Pounds). There are plenty of people like me who want to see research into these areas and are willing to pay for it.

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  2. Wow by WGFCrafty · · Score: 5, Funny

    Where's the study which examines studies about studies and found that 50% of them are fueled by irony.

    Further study is needed to confirm that number.

    1. Re:Wow by AikonMGB · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Try digging into this list, you might be able to find something relevant through there.

  3. Not necessarily a bad thing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    As Slashdot patrons are eager to point out every time this sort of story gets published, the phenomenon described is not necessarily a bad thing.

    Many physical chemists these days are investigating ways to build nanostructures that can demonstrate interesting phenomena. For example, chemists have known for a long time that certain molecules will scatter light in the visible range but decrease its frequency by a molecule-specific constant. This process is called Raman scattering. These molecules are often dissolved in water, and it was recently shown that the adding metal nanoparticles to the solution will dramatically increase the amount of observed Raman scattering. Suddenly there's a lot of new research to do: How does the increase depend on the nanoparticles' sizes? On their shapes? On the particular metal of which they're made? On whether their surfaces are smooth or rough? What if the nanoparticles are hollow, or composed of layers of different materials? What are the theoretical explanations for the observed behaviors? And do any phenomena *other* than Raman scattering benefit from the presence of these nanoparticles?

    Many papers have been (and are still being!) published on all the clever things people have tried with these nanoparticles. Ten years from now, we'll have a pretty understanding of all the properties of surface-enhanced Raman scattering and most of these papers will be "forgotten" as researchers consolidate their knowledge into a couple of good textbooks. But that's perfectly fine---in fact, that's the whole point of scientific progress. Science is the process of observing a lot of complicated stuff and finding the most compact explanations for everything that was observed. It's nice that eighty years ago one researcher could sometimes discover a new phenomenon and provide a complete explanation for it before publishing his knowledge to the world. Today we have more researchers exploring a larger space of possible experiments, and the things they're studying are much more complicated. So they publish more papers as "scratch work" to help other researchers who are investigating the same phenomena, and eventually these papers are replaced by books. Again, that's perfectly fine.

  4. Re:Too many studies to keep track of? by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The solution is simple. Throw out studies that sound "too meta".

    Another solution would be to shoot idiotic journalists that misrepresent what studies say. The actual study does not say there are "too many" studies. What it says is that, since there are more studies, individual studies are cited less frequently, and may be read by fewer people. But nobody expects every scientist to read every paper published in their field. I probably read less than 1% of the papers published in my field, but if there is a specific topic I need to research, I often can't find enough papers that focus on what I need. So, from my point of view, there aren't enough studies.

    Also, there are too many books published. Proof: Amazon lists over a million titles, and there is no way that one person can read them all.

  5. Re:While publish or perish has problems... by godrik · · Score: 2

    Of course we are publishing more. We are pushed to publish, so obviously paper get forgotten. But it is not clear to me that it is a bad thing. What pulish or perish accomplished is that we are communicating more. So clearly we are communicating smaller ideas, smaller experiements, smaller contributions but we are also communicating earlier in the process.

    It is frequent nowadays that one idea is spinned into 3 papers, one preliminary workshop, one conference and one journal. Clearly once the journal is published, the workshop and conference version will not receive much citation. But does that mean that they were not useful? The citation they got mean that some people read these papers and that the knowdledge/insight contained in them was spread. This might not be a bad thing.

    Now, if you were using number of publication/citation as a metric of how good people have, the metric is probably ruined now. But that was a terrible metric to being with.

  6. AKA as Database Syndrome by Sir+Holo · · Score: 2

    The crop of PhDs from the last 10 or so years are either unable or unwilling to 'hit the books'. If they can't find it in an electronic database AND easily download a PDF, they will ignore the existence of the work.

    Such work often includes seminal publications, REVIEW articles of a field, and things like conference proceedings before 'everything-PDF' – all of which contain a wealth of information.

    It really bugs me when I see cited references from "whoever did something like that most recently," rather than drilling down to the original source. Unfortunately, there seems little we can do about it, aside from good scientists not referencing lazy scientists.

    1. Re:AKA as Database Syndrome by rsmith-mac · · Score: 2

      The crop of PhDs from the last 10 or so years are either unable or unwilling to 'hit the books'. If they can't find it in an electronic database AND easily download a PDF, they will ignore the existence of the work.

      One of the primary reasons we even have computers is to help organize and locate information. Meanwhile, because computers are so good at it and we now have so much information to process, information that is not available to a computer in 2015 is not useful information.

    2. Re:AKA as Database Syndrome by prefec2 · · Score: 2

      As in CS every invention gets reinvented every 10-20 years it is important that the old stuff cannot be found anymore. Beside that for key ideas I start with any publication I can find and start to find from there the most recent publications in the field and then try to find the original contributions again backward in time. However, this is a time consuming process and if it is only to document a minor argument, I will stop much earlier for instance with a survey on that topic.

    3. Re:AKA as Database Syndrome by Beck_Neard · · Score: 2

      This is extremely and wildly not true. The most basic part of doing literature review is following original sources and everyone I know does this. You have to, because reviewers pick this stuff up. Even when I couldn't find a pdf or physical copy of an original source, I'd still cite it. Also, you're fooling yourself if you think that just because something was done 30 years ago, there's no point in citing more recent sources. A lot of more recent work is nothing more than just repeating old ideas but with slight modifications that nevertheless reveal new insights. Finally, when writing a paper, there is no need to cite everything that has been done right back to ancient Greece. The audience of a scientific paper is assumed to be the scientific community which is already familiar with the body of work.

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    4. Re:AKA as Database Syndrome by JanneM · · Score: 4, Insightful

      For citations central to your argument, sure, you need to track down the main papers. It's not that difficult - just look at what papers everybody else is citing. But most citations are just fulfilling the [citation needed] reqs for facts you use in your work. Any one of dozens, sometimes hundreds, of papers would easily fill in for that role.

      You find two references about the same thing. As far as citing the fact you need they're essentially equivalent. One will take three weeks and thirty dollars - and half a day of arguing to make the lab pay those thirty dollars - to get, and half the time your thirty bucks will give you a badly printed paper copy. The other you can download into your paper manager and read right now. Guess which one almost everybody will use?

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    5. Re:AKA as Database Syndrome by gzuckier · · Score: 2

      For citations central to your argument, sure, you need to track down the main papers. It's not that difficult - just look at what papers everybody else is citing. But most citations are just fulfilling the [citation needed] reqs for facts you use in your work. Any one of dozens, sometimes hundreds, of papers would easily fill in for that role.

      You find two references about the same thing. As far as citing the fact you need they're essentially equivalent. One will take three weeks and thirty dollars - and half a day of arguing to make the lab pay those thirty dollars - to get, and half the time your thirty bucks will give you a badly printed paper copy. The other you can download into your paper manager and read right now. Guess which one almost everybody will use?

      The most frequently cited papers are not great steps forward, but method papers; somebody does some doofy study of fish farts, but it includes a great method for analyzing exhaust gases, so every gas analysis paper ever afterwards references it
      I read a study that showed that, ironically.

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  7. So many terrible posts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It saddens me to see so many sarcastic and cynical posts which fail to demonstrate that the poster has given the issue any thought whatsoever. Does the Slashdot community really consider it self-evident that scientific research is a failed enterprise? And does the Slashdot community really have no idea how scientific research works?

    Scientific papers aren't published for your benefit, you silly Slashdot reader. They're published for the benefit of other researchers. Suppose that some meta-researcher studied email patterns at your place of employment and found that this year a smaller percentage of your emails are replies to other messages [as compared to last year]; that is, a higher percentage of this year's emails are about new subjects. Then this paper gets referenced on Slashdot and someone (the author of the original article, the Slashdot submitter, or the editor) suggests that the lower reply percentage implies that intelligent discussion must be on the decline at your workplace because discussion requires people talking back-and-forth about the same topics. Then imagine that a bunch of people make short sarcastic posts that agree with that interpretation and variously lament about the decline of society as a whole or of your workplace in particular.

    Let us now make the biggest assumption of all and suppose that you have enough self-respect to be offended by this challenge to your intelligence. What would be the most mature contribution you could make to this discussion? I suppose it could be something like, "Your statistical analysis of my company's email habits is interesting, but your interpretation seems a bit misguided; it seems like a pretty big jump to go from 'percentage of emails which are replies to other emails' to 'abundance of intelligent discussion.' "

    So too it is with research papers. A statistical analysis has shown that researchers in various fields are more likely to cite recent papers than older papers, and the "half-life" of the typical paper (in the author's own words) has decreased somewhat over the last couple of decades. What conclusion should we draw from this? If scientists are less likely to cite a ten-year-old paper today than they were a decade or two ago, does that mean that there are "too many papers" and they're just swamped with recent stuff? Or does it mean that they're sufficiently well-organized that problems that used to take fifteen years to work out now only take five, and the investigations are moving on to new things?

    To paraphrase an old joke: I don't go to where you work and statistically analyze all the dicks in your mouth. So stop doing the same to scientists.

  8. Re:Too many studies to keep track of? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If only we had the technology to be able to search the available research for specific items of interest [...]

    Actualy, the technology is here, the problem is in the paywalls. Probably No scientific institution in the world has access to all the journals that cover the relevant fields of the institution.

    Big problem.

  9. A good thing? by excelsior_gr · · Score: 2

    Although this could be due to the "publish or perish" mentality, that often forces researchers to break down their work in several publications of lesser impact than make a single publication of larger impact, the fact that the "lifetime" of publications is getting shorter may also mean that the research is speeding up. Knowledge moves faster from papers, then to books, and then to being "common", and before you know it you don't really have to cite someone every freaking time anymore because everyone knows what you're talking about (I'm talking about things that are considered "common knowledge" here; you surely don't cite Newton every time you mention that white light can be broken up using a prism). More commonly, somebody will sum the "state of the art" into a book or in a good introductory chapter of a doctoral dissertation and people will cite that, instead of all the papers. Also, books keep getting cited for decades after their publication, so maybe a follow-up study could check whether there is a similar trend in the citation of books?

    While the plurality of journals has made publishing quite easy nowadays, I don't think this is the reason for the observation that papers get forgotten faster. A bad paper will not even get noticed and will probably get cited only by its own authors in subsequent publications. Since we are talking about papers that do get cited here, this means that they have managed to attract some attention, and can therefore not be too crappy.

  10. Re:Or even more... by C0R1D4N · · Score: 4, Funny
  11. Re:Too many studies to keep track of? by Firethorn · · Score: 2

    I probably read less than 1% of the papers published in my field, but if there is a specific topic I need to research, I often can't find enough papers that focus on what I need. So, from my point of view, there aren't enough studies.

    I took a writing class where I had to write 'scientific' papers. On my chosen topic, admittedly very narrow(but that's kind of what the teacher wanted), I found myself having to kind of 'circle' my chosen target with tangential studies. I ended up writing into the review paper that here's my hypothesis, it's supported, at least in theory, by the results of these studies(and the same 3 names popped up in quite a few of them), but that the topic itself doesn't appear to be directly studied, so it would be useful to get some direct measurements.

    Oh, and as the AC mentioned, I had to discard a couple studies where I couldn't access more than the abstract, even using my university credentials.

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  12. Re:i have studied slashdot by riverat1 · · Score: 2

    No there are just the right number of first posts. But there are way to many posts proclaiming "First Post!!!!!" or variants that aren't.

  13. Re:filtration is key by david_thornley · · Score: 2

    Seems to me that Einstein was rather big on proving his ideas correct, and therefore was biased.

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