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Stanford Study Credits Lack of Non-Competes For Silicon Valley's Success

HughPickens.com writes Natalie Kitroeff writes at Bloomberg that a new study says the secret to Silicon Valley's triumph as the global capital of innovation may lie in a quirk of California's employment law that prohibits the legal enforcement of non-compete clauses. Unlike most states, California prohibits enforcement of non-compete clauses that force people who leave jobs to wait for a predetermined period before taking positions at rival companies. That puts California in the ideal position to rob other regions of their most prized inventors, "Policymakers who sanction the use of non-competes could be inadvertently creating regional disadvantage as far as retention of knowledge workers is concerned," wrote the authors of the study "Regional disadvantage? Employee non-compete agreements and brain drain" (PDF). "Regions that choose to enforce employee non-compete agreements may therefore be subjecting themselves to a domestic brain drain not unlike that described in the literature on international emigration out of less developed countries."

The study, which looked at the behavior of people who had registered at least two patents from 1975 to 2005, focused on Michigan, which in 1985 reversed its longstanding prohibition of non-compete agreements. The authors found that after Michigan changed the rules, the rate of emigration among inventors was twice as a high as it was in states where non-competes remained illegal. Even worse for Michigan, its most talented inventors were also the most likely to flee. "Firms are going to be willing to relocate someone who is really good, as opposed to someone who is average," says Lee Fleming. For the inventors, it makes sense to take a risk on a place such as California, where they have more freedom. "If the job they relocate for doesn't work out, then they can walk across the street because there are no non-competes."

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  1. Steve Jobs is the Monkeywrench by Baby+Duck · · Score: 5, Informative

    And then there's those Steve Jobs emails that revealed major players in Silicon Valley created their own de facto non-compete policies with each other. The study is incomplete without examining intra-California career stifling.

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    1. Re:Steve Jobs is the Monkeywrench by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Libertarian crank theory #44732: Contract law trumps all!

      Hate pesky worker freedoms? Human rights? Basic human dignity? The laws of physics?

      Don't worry! Sign a contract! Contracts are magical documents that can nullify even the most annoying and persistent impediments that get in the way of you god given right to make money.

      Simply apply your favorite form of corrosion or obfuscation to get that signature and you're gold!

    2. Re:Steve Jobs is the Monkeywrench by tlhIngan · · Score: 2

      And then there's those Steve Jobs emails that revealed major players in Silicon Valley created their own de facto non-compete policies with each other. The study is incomplete without examining intra-California career stifling.

      That only affected "pull" style recruitments - where a company recruits from another company.

      You as an employee were completely free to apply for a position at the other company. If you worked at Apple and wanted to go to Google, you submitted your resume to Google. If Google liked you, you interviewed and got hired.

      What Google couldn't do is go to an Apple employee and make them an immediate offer.

      And there are PLENTY of ways around this - including the use of mutual friends to say "Please apply for this job" - the only thing Google would want is to make sure it is YOU that made the first move.

      Which is why the scope of it is extremely limited - if people want you, you know it and are free to apply. And if you networked properly, you would hear about the opportunity through your grapevine with no official documentation saying it really was Google poaching you in the end. All it takes is a few phone calls and you're in.

      How do I know? I was part of this - I knew a company wanted me, and someone I knew at that company basically said "Phone (xxx) 555-5555". Made the call and they said they were posting a job that I should apply for (basically it was tailored for me). It was a public posting, so anyone could apply, but really it was my job to lose. And the only official documentation that existed would be my accessing the public jobs site.

      All perfectly legit. Sort of a loophole, but none of the agreements said you couldn't work there, just they won't pull you.

      And really, in the end, if you're being pulled, it's because you know someone there. Google will not call up random Apple employees offering them a job - they'd consult with employees who worked at Apple to pick specific employees.

      Even at a job fair - if Apple employees walked past the Google booth, as long as it was on the up and up (Apple employees dropped off their resumes along with everyone else), it was fine.

      If you were wanted, you knew. If you weren't, you made sure to keep in touch to build a grapevine.

    3. Re:Steve Jobs is the Monkeywrench by bouldin · · Score: 3, Interesting

      In my state (Georgia), non-compete contracts were specifically banned in the constitution until the Republicans snuck through a constitutional amendment with some amazingly blatant doublespeak.

      The ballot read:

      Shall the Constitution of Georgia be amended so as to make Georgia more economically competitive by authorizing legislation to uphold reasonable competitive agreements?

      Unfortunately, the state is full of enough weak-minded sheep that the amendment won 2:1.

    4. Re:Steve Jobs is the Monkeywrench by BradMajors · · Score: 2

      Nope.

      * I have contacted some companies directly and I have been explicitly told my someone at that company that they can not hire me because my current company would retaliate against them.
      * I have seem copies of contracts where it explicitly stated that the two countries agreed not to hire each other's employees.

    5. Re:Steve Jobs is the Monkeywrench by the+gnat · · Score: 2

      I have seem copies of contracts where it explicitly stated that the two countries agreed not to hire each other's employees.

      I assume you meant "companies", not "countries", but even this seems really strange to me, at least as an American - under our antitrust laws, they'd have to be insane to put something like that into writing.

    6. Re:Steve Jobs is the Monkeywrench by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Libertarian crank theory #44732: Contract law trumps all!

      Don't be an ass. It is illegal to MAKE a contract that discriminates in certain ways, breaks certain laws, etc.

      Nobody I know thinks "contract law trumps all". You don't know much about Libertarians, do you?

      The Libertarian philosophy says that in an ideal world, such laws would not be necessary. But only an idiot thinks we currently live in an ideal world.

    7. Re:Steve Jobs is the Monkeywrench by chihowa · · Score: 2

      That's a fucked up way of amending a constitution anyway. A ballot to amend a constitution should contain the actual text that will be amended to the constitution. If the purported reasoning for the amendment (eg, to make Georgia more economically competitive) is going to be on the ballot, then different interpretations should be included from opposing groups.

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    8. Re:Steve Jobs is the Monkeywrench by bwcbwc · · Score: 2

      Yeah, even Florida requires the actual text of the proposed amendment to be put on the ballot.

      It's a sad reflection on society that "right to work" laws and non-compete contracts are touted as engines to grow the economy, while things like a living minimum wage are denigrated as class warfare. When your middle class is disappearing, you actually get more economic bang for the buck when the money goes to consumers rather than investors. The fact that consumers have more money to spend creates true investment opportunities due to increases in demand. Giving incentives to investors when business opportunities are limited by lack of demand just throws money at get-rich-quick schemes.

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  2. Can't comment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    I can't provide any substantial comments on this article for another 4 months.

    1. Re:Can't comment by TWX · · Score: 3, Funny

      What will your excuse be after that?

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  3. Re:Utility vs. freedom by AuMatar · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Great. Then you don't mind if I take a hit out on your life? I mean, its just a contract, the fact its to kill someone doesn't outweigh my liberty to enter into it, does it?

    Congratulations, you've just said the stupidest thing I've ever read on the internet. That includes "Where does babby come from".

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  4. Re:Utility vs. freedom by knightghost · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There is no freedom when the contract is de-facto mandatory for employment.

  5. Re:Utility vs. freedom by taustin · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It's only freedom if both parties are equal in the negotiations. That is rarely the case in employment contracts. Since a free market is, almost inherently, impossible, it is a choice between being regulated by the more powerful of the two parties, or by an outside third party.

    Only one side of the contract would agree with you.

  6. Refuse by SumDog · · Score: 4, Informative

    I have refused to sign any contract with a non-compete in it for IT work starting with my first IT job in 2005. I think I saw something on slashdot back then making me weary of them.

    My first company was getting everyone to sign them after sales people were leaving and taking clients, but I just refused and they never asked. With every other company, if I saw it in the contract, I'd tell them "I don't sign non-competes." They would always take it out or give me a new contract. Only one company made a big deal about it, a start up, and it wasn't even the company but their horrible lawyer. The principal investor told me to "sign the contract you want." I wasn't about to writing my own contract and they started paying me anyway...so I basically got paid without a contract. Made it easier to open source what I wrote after the company failed. :)

    TL;DR NEVER SIGN A NON-COMPETE. They are unethical.

  7. Why Boston's Route 128 lost to Silicon Valley by twasserman · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Non-compete agreements may be part of it, as were the decline and fall of Digital Equipment Corporation, Wang, Data General, Prime Computer and more. With the notable exception of Akamai, there were relatively few big Internet successes among Boston area companies, and the past 15 years have continued that trend.

    But I think that Boston's terrible weather is also a big factor. Here's an analysis of Boston winters that shows the grim reality of 5 or 6 months out of every 12. When sunshine, mild weather, and Silicon Valley jobs beckon on a gloomy February day, it takes a wicked love for the Hub or the Bruins to turn down a good offer. The cost of housing is much higher in the Bay Area, but the bills for heating oil and winter clothing go away, and cars last a lot longer, just to name a few things.

    Boston remains one of my favorite American cities to visit (only during baseball season, though), but I no longer [perhaps unfairly] associate it with startups. Maybe the innovative and creative ideas get frozen out.

  8. There's another law, too... by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 4, Informative

    TFA says:

    ... the secret to Silicon Valley's triumph as the global capital of innovation may lie in a quirk of California's employment law that prohibits the legal enforcement of non-compete clauses.

    Yes, that's important.

    But (IMHO even more important) is another "quirk" of California's labor law, which you'll find as a page in the bundle of every employment agreement you're handed in Silicon Valley. This affects patent assignments:

    To paraphrase: If
      - you Invent something,
      - you didn't use the company's resources, and
      - building and selling it isn't in the company's current or expected business model
    It's yours.

    Any patent assignment terms to the contrary are void, overridden by the state's compelling interest. Your employer can't put your great idea on a shelf to gather dust and make it stick. You can partner with a couple of your buddies, move into a garage across the street, and start a new company to exploit the invention.

    This makes California an inventor's Mecca. Startup companies bud like yeast. Inventions go to market rather than being shelved or becoming just playing cards in a game of cross-licensing poker. Inventors get rich. This attracts more talent, so the longer it goes on the easier it is to find the "other two guys" with the complimentary talent you need to make your startup work, making things even easier, in continual positive feedback.

    Small companies get a hiring advantage over conglomerates, too, because the fewer things an employer is into, the fewer classes of invention the employer can lock up rather than exploit.

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  9. Getting it Right by Mullen · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This is where I think the Right Wing and Republicans get it wrong when it comes to business. They look at it as, what is best for business is what will drive business, but in the case of California, it is what is best for employees is what drives business. Who in their right mind would want to work in a state where business can keep you from leaving by creating non-compete contracts? People with talent are going to go where they think it is best for them. In the case of California, weather and not being locked into a company is what is best for them.

    On a side note, I left a company in California that was based out of New Mexico and they told me I could not work in IT for three years because of the non-compete I signed with them. I laughed at them and told them to come to California and try to enforce it. Needless to say, I kept working in California.

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  10. Re:Utility vs. freedom by taustin · · Score: 3, Interesting

    If you don't like the terms offered — walk away.

    And find out that everyone else has agreed (secretly) to require the same terms. "Agree to our terms, or go hungry" is not a free market.

  11. Re:Utility vs. freedom by bouldin · · Score: 2

    It's only freedom if both parties are equal in the negotiations. That is rarely the case in employment contracts.

    Both parties enter into the agreement willingly, without either side being compelled -- that's all, that matters.

    No, jackass, it's a contract of adhesion.

  12. Re:Headdesk by BradMajors · · Score: 2

    Nope.

    If someone does work as a contractor without a formal contract, by default the software / IP is the property of the contractor, and not the other company. He is hence perfectly within his rights to open source his software.

    The situation is different if you are an employee.

  13. Re: Or maybe it's because by vanye · · Score: 2

    Yes its a two edged sword - you can leave, but you can also be fired for no reason.

    I know prefer to work in a free environment than an English manufacturing company where the union was in control....

    But that's me... others maybe are lazy/stupid and prefer to work somewhere that has no risks and no gains and expect others to look after them...

  14. You are confused, or seem to be by s.petry · · Score: 2

    No compete != No poaching. No poaching matches your last statement about career stifling, no competes means that companies won't try to produce products that someone else produces. I'm not claiming they are not both issues to discuss, I'm pointing out that you can't mix the two conversations like you did and have a rational discussion.

    On one hand, the no-competes are stifle innovation and harm consumers. This is not unconstitutional as some have said, but it is a problem with anti monopoly laws. Further, the garbage patent laws allowing "ideas" to be owned makes it unfortunately easy to perform.

    No poaching on the other hand does stifle careers of people working for companies. Good players can't grow into new better if they are currently stagnant by changing employers which these agreements block.

    In both cases the benefactor is the company execs (board, owners, etc..), not consumers or employees. In fact the latter two are harmed by these agreements.

    TFA's claim is simply deluded and ignores history. No competes are monopoly protection, and a racketeering. To see how this really works, look at who makes money in the DB market space today vs. 15-20 years ago. The only reason consumers have seen benefit from Oracle is by competition from Open Source DBs. Until MySQL (now Maria) and Postgres came along Oracle owned their customers. Products were poor, development was slow, and only big money people could play. Today, it's a different story because of competition which had to come from Open Source products. There are a couple other Silicon Valley companies that could have played in the SQL space but didn't due to these no-competes. You can find out who these are by simply following executives over time and see the other companies they started.

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  15. No, so what, and no again by s.petry · · Score: 2

    First "no": I would agree if you had said that the no competes are unprotected by the US Constitution, but they are illegal. Illegal by both the Sherman Act and Racketeering laws.

    "so what": Not relevant to the discussion, you are confusing two types of agreements (intentionally?). One where Company owners agree mostly in back rooms not to produce products the other makes. The second, is an employee contract which has no bearing on the former.

    The last part is not only a "no", but also not relevant to the discussion in TFA. Employee contract != Apple agreeing to never develop a Database and only using Oracle products, while Oracle agrees not to develop iPods, phones, etc.., etc...

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  16. Re:Utility vs. freedom by mi · · Score: 2

    And find out that everyone else has agreed (secretly) to require the same terms.

    Citation needed.

    "Agree to our terms, or go hungry" is not a free market.

    Why not? Nobody owes you anything. If you wish other people to pay you, you have to agree to those people's terms.

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