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No Fuel In the Fukushima Reactor #1
An anonymous reader writes To nobody's surprise, the Japanese press reports that a new way to look at the inside of one of the Fukushima 1 damaged reactors has shown the fuel is not in place. Engineers have not been able to develop a machine to directly see the exact location of the molten fuel, hampered by extremely high levels of radiation in and around the reactors, but a new scan technique using muons (details on the method in the media are missing) have shown the fuel is not in its place. While Tepco's speculation is that the fuel may be at the bottom of the reactor, it is a safe bet that at least some of it has burned through and has gone on to create an Uruguay syndrom.
What on earth is "an Uruguay syndrom", and why does google have no idea either.
It shouldn't be hard to find. Just follow the clicks on the Geiger Counter.
Ah, this is obviously some strange use of the word safe that I wasn't previously aware of.
it s a reference to this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_China_Syndrome
'Safe bet' == 'pure inflammatory guesswork'?
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The reality is IF the fuel "burned" through the foundation of the reactor, it would quickly disperse and dilute enough that the reaction would slow down to the point that it would cool enough that it would no longer be molten; and then it would no longer be mobile.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N...
Then, it's _just_ a pain in the arse to safely clean up.
With the decommissioning expected to take 3 to 4 decades, that's pretty good job security.
Just too bad that the half-life of the workers will be less than the half-life of the job. But it "is" a lifetime job."
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They are using muon tomography.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M...
I would take the other end of the 'safe bet'. Essentially all of the fuel is at the base of the reactor vessel. How much would you like to wager?
"Physics is to math as sex is to masturbation." -R. Feynman
Remember, building one at fukushima-Daichi contained a G.E. mark one (BWR) which has holes in the bottom that the control rods would supposedly use. If the fuel is not in the core it would quickly have melted the seals around those holes and oozed into the CV ( 'containment' vessel ). On estimate, it would only take about four hundred pounds of corium ( melted fuel globs) to burn through the CV bottom. This would have taken less than 24 hours from the initial incident. Since the core contained tons of material it is impossibly naive to believe that it is even remotely contained. BUT more importantly, since reactor #1 doesn't have any core material , and it was one of the least spectacular 'explosions' at the plant, How can Tepco get anyone to believe that the really spectacular explosion at three did anything less than blow core materials through the roof like the world's nastiest party popper?
it is a safe bet that at least some of it has burned through and has gone on to create an Uruguay syndrom.
did the missing e melt its way through the earth and end up in china?
While Slashdot's speculation is that "autocorrect gone horribly wrong" may be at the bottom of the submitter's odd new phrase, it is a safe bet that at least some of it has to do with a series of small aneurisms known as "Uruguay Syndrome."
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...it is a safe bet that at least some of it has burned through...
Really? So the containment structures were not in fact designed to contain the melted core? I somehow really really doubt that.
True... but the water is a different problem - it still has to be managed, but a different problem. The fuel is NOT melting its way into the Earth's core as the poster suggests with their China Syndrome reference. By now, it is quite solid;except perhaps for a some small pockets that must already be accidentally contained, otherwise it could not remain liquid.
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The title "No Fuel In the Fukushima Reactor #1" is WRONG.
The fuel is still inside the reactor. It is just melted down at the bottom.
A serious topic is brought up, with at least some news content, and 95% of the comments are people nattering on a "Uraguay syndrome".
There are times I look at this site and hope that it doesn't represent anywhere near the smartest people around, because if it does, we're fucked beyond belief.
that ought to take care of all the problems, right?
never mind methods...
if this is supposed to be a new economy, how come they still want my old fashioned money?
At the bottom of the posting, I read 90 comments as 90 complaints. I was not disappointed.
that ought to take care of all the problems, right?
Start doing that with coal and oil. It makes about same amount of sense too.
a new scan technique using muons have shown the fuel is not in its place.
Hah??? The whole point of this technology was supposed to be able to locate where the fuels debris are so they can start planning the removal. They said it themselves.
http://www.tepco.co.jp/en/pres...
But before those reactor cores can be removed, it is essential to locate where the debris has dropped inside the reactor.
So the technology didn't work. They just confirmed that the it is not in the core, which provide them with zero information to be able to move forward but they didn't say that and pretending it is some kind of achievement and not admitting the fact the they didn't achieve the prime objective of this exercise. Very typical of TEPCO. I hope they don't waste money repeating this to #2 and #3 to confirm that the fuels are not in place there either.
Atomic Suicide... ): We should stop all nuclear programs from energy to defense. Leave that stuff unmined in the ground where it was meant to be.
God has it nestled in his bosom to protect the... Oh wait, they're not Christians are they?
There is a serious proposal to deliberately melt a channel through the earth's crust and send a probe down into the mantle layer below it. Measurement data could be sent back to the surface using a vibrations that could be detected by the LIGO [http://www.ligo.caltech.edu/] gravity wave detectors. The weight of 10,000 cubic meters of molten iron dumped into a crack opened by a modest H-Bomb would move down at ~5 meters a second for a couple hundred kilometers until it reached the out core after a week. But maybe we could skip the bomb and just use Fukushima.
See http://www.forbes.com/sites/brucedorminey/2013/07/31/earth-core-probe-as-controlled-china-syndrome/ [Forbes]
http://www.phschool.com/science/science_news/articles/going_down_core.html [Pearson - Science News]
Sounds good. Just wait a few more years and the core will be deep underground and melting its way deeper. Just toss some dirt on top.
It would appear that Wikipedia redirects "Uruguay syndrome" to Nuclear_meltdown#China_syndrome.
"Stratigraphically the origin of agriculture and thermonuclear destruction will appear essentially simultaneous" -- Lee
What on earth is "an Uruguay syndrom", and why does google have no idea either.
I googled "Uruguay Syndrom" and the first hit takes me back to Slashdot. I'll just keep googling until I get a different result.
maybe we can have enough uranium/plutonium to get the material into the center of the earth, but not enough to get out the other side. then all these nuclear reactions can restart the core!
When I was young, I was taught that if I dig a hole deep enough, I would be shaking
hands with a chinaman.
My fear now, is that if I dig deep enough, I might just shake hands with a Jap that
glows in the dark.
Bet on it.
At this point it might be well to consider how far to a fault line or subduction abduction line.
With that much material it could either re-emerge during an Earthquake, or cause some sort of geologic activity.
In a SciFi movie I'm sure it would lead to some sort of geothermal event, like new Volcanic activity in the area around the site.. cascading the problem.
I just can't keep from thinking about Backing Soda and Vinegar Volcanoes at the Science Fair when I was young.
The only problem being what if those synthetic volcanoes start spewing highly radioactive dust into the stratosphere headed for the U.S.
Your mouth's full of your words you're eating http://slashdot.org/comments.p... after you were fairly called out and RAN. You *really* need to change your diet Dave420! Eating your words != GOOD NUTRITION!
Tell us, how does eating your words taste flavored with the bitter taste of SELF-defeat rammed down your throat since your foot's in your mouth?
Above all else: Get some manners, Dave420 - it's NOT POLITE to talk w/ your mouth full (lmao) of those words of yours you're eating, hahahaha.
(Amazing you can still talk your gibberish bullshit, actually, considering your mouth's full as you "eat your words" (lmao))
Lots of text - now it what way does it contradict - "It's what gets tossed out and how much of it that matters"? It doesn't does it? Why bother posting so much - oh yes - a distraction.
Sorry child, or man pretending to be one, your distraction did not work.
What matters at the end of the day is what damage the explosion (and yes it was one) did, where the debris ended up and if it can be kept from spreading any more.
I really do not get why so many people argue against the fucking obvious when it's not even contraversial as soon as the word "nuclear" is in the mix. Being idiot fanboys is counterproductive.
Look up what happens with an oxygen and hydrogen mix when it combusts before demonstrating your ignorance in a lecture full of shit. The flame front is VERY fast - hence with the EXPLOSIONS.
A metallugist I worked with in the late 1980s was in the middle of a hydrogen explosion in Sweden and due to being very near the ignition point he merely lost his eyebrows as ignition proceeded at a speed aproaching the speed of sound in the material - yet by the time the shock wave hit the wall there was enough behind it to knock bricks out of the wall.
So I suggest you get a few contexts for "deflagration" and then you can use properly instead of as a fucking stupid euphemism for explosion.
This is sort of amusing being lectured to on material science and engineering by a coder boy out of his depth.
It's found its way into our sealife: "A news report says Japan's tsunami-ravaged nuclear plant was so unprepared for the disaster that workers had to bring protective gear and instruction manuals from elsewhere and borrow equipment from a contractor. The report, released by operator Tokyo Electric Co, is based on interviews of workers and plant data. It portrays chaos in a desperate and ultimately unsuccessful battle to protect the Fukushima plant from meltdown, and shows that workers struggled with unfamiliar equipment." ap.org/ - "Scientists have found traces of radioactivity in fish off the California coast that migrated from the waters off of Japan, site of the Fukushima nuclear reactor disaster of 2011, the San Francisco Chronicle reports. The researchers say the evidence is unequivocal. The young tuna were found to be contaminated with two radioactive forms of the element cesium from Fukushima." http://content.usatoday.com/co... - "Japanese whalers caught 2 animals along the northern coast that had traces of radiation from leaks at a damaged nuclear power plant, officials said. 2 of 17 minke whales caught off the Pacific coast of Hokkaido showed traces of radioactive cesium, both about 1/20th of the legal limit, fisheries officials said. They are the first whales thought to have been affected by radiation leaked from the Fukushima nuclear plant since it was hit by a 3/11/11 earthquake and tsunami." nhjournal. com
Actually I do and if you'd been studying mining engineering in the late 1990s you may have had me as a tutor before I went back into private enterprise, so your cut and pastes and wild claims have failed as a bluff coder boy. I'm no expert with explosives but I've done a few dozen experiments using shock waves to compress metal together, so I understand the physics, and now I work with a few real shotfirers, (not imaginary ones) in the seismic industry.
You didn't, made a huge deal about the type being a factor and then attempted to confuse the reader by misapplying technical terms thta you do not appear to understand yourself.
At least your magic steel ball was sort of amusing and showed how little you actually know about the topic you are attempting to lecture us on.