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Excess Time Indoors May Explain Rising Myopia Rates

Nature reports that an unexpected factor may be behind a growing epidemic of nearsightedness: time spent indoors. From the article: Because the eye grows throughout childhood, myopia generally develops in school-age children and adolescents. About one-fifth of university-aged people in East Asia now have this extreme form of myopia, and half of them are expected to develop irreversible vision loss. This threat has prompted a rise in research to try to understand the causes of the disorder — and scientists are beginning to find answers. They are challenging old ideas that myopia is the domain of the bookish child and are instead coalescing around a new notion: that spending too long indoors is placing children at risk. “We're really trying to give this message now that children need to spend more time outside,” says Kathryn Rose, head of orthoptics at the University of Technology, Sydney.

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  1. Re:Unfortunately by wierd_w · · Score: 5, Insightful

    But NOT going outside increases your risks of bone deformity from vitamin D deficiency, and now also increased incidence of myopia.

    However, the REAL problem is that helicopter mummsy and daddsy are TERRIFIED that pedobear will rape little timmy and throw him away in an old icechest, because Fox News said so.

  2. Surprisingly badly written article by bargainsale · · Score: 5, Informative

    "About one-fifth of university-aged people in East Asia now have this extreme form of myopia, and half of them are expected to develop irreversible vision loss. "

    It doesn't actually say what "this extreme form" is, exactly. Presumably cut out in editing and nobody noticed that this was left stranded. There was probably a reference to so-called "high myopia", which does indeed cause people typically in their teens to go from the ordinary fully-corrected-with-glasses myopia to being much more so, with potential "myopic degeneration" of the retina. It's a mystery why this only happens to some myopes.

    The figures are scaremongering. Although this has indeed been a notable public health problem for a good while - the government of Singapore has been concerned about it for over a decade - it is nonsense that 10% of student-age people will go blind from it.

    I'm an ophthalmologist. I specialise in diseases of the retina.

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    1. Re:Surprisingly badly written article by jpapon · · Score: 4, Interesting
      From TFA:

      In Seoul, a whopping 96.5% of 19-year-old men are short-sighted.

      Say what you want about fear-mongering, that's a pretty crazy statistic. Sounds like I should invest in some Korean laser correction company.

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  3. A mirror on the wall seems to help by ciaran2014 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    A few years ago I worked at a desk facing a wall and I got the feeling that it wasn't good for my eyes that they never focussed on anything more than a metre away, so I put a mirror on the wall and I think this has helped my eyes.

    I tilted the mirror up a little so I could stare into it whenever I wanted without making eye contact with others.

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  4. Re:Unfortunately by AthanasiusKircher · · Score: 5, Informative

    However, the REAL problem is that helicopter mummsy and daddsy are TERRIFIED that pedobear will rape little timmy and throw him away in an old icechest, because Fox News said so.

    It's not just Fox News, and it's not just pedophiles. If you've been keeping up with the news in recent years, you know that the newest trend is for do-gooders to call the police when they see even a 9 or 10-year-old walking alone (e.g. back from the park) or sitting in a car reading while Mommy's doing some shopping.

    And guess what happens in too many cases? Parents get arrested for neglect. Children sometimes get removed for a while by protective services and parents may need to fight to get them back.

    I'd be much more scared of police or child protective services kidnapping my child than "pedobear," because that's certainly the case. (In case you think I'm exaggerating, look up the stats. Roughly a HALF MILLION kids are removed by CPS for short or long term every year in the US... And CPS's own stats admit that in a full 1/3 of those cases, after review there is NO evidence of abuse or neglect... Not counting the cases where the claims are questionable, just the removals where the removals are completely unwarranted.)

    Also, here's a blog that keeps track of some of the more egregious stories in the news.

  5. Re:Congratualtion Sherlock by ls671 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Of course I know. When younger, I use to work outside and I had no myopia. Now I am older, I work underground and I have myopia. See? you can't deny scientific facts like that.

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  6. Re:Causation does not imply correlaton! by nukenerd · · Score: 5, Funny

    You have not just spent too much time indoors, it has been in an echo chamber.

  7. Re:sOrRy ChArLiE WrOnG tUnA by nukenerd · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You're still focusing on the mirror in both cases.

    No. If you are looking at objects seen in the mirror you are focussing at the total distance of : you-mirror plus mirror-object
    The mirror wraps the distance but does not reduce how far the light must travel or the object appears.

    At last : all those hours I spent in school physics drawing light ray diagrams has come in useful.

  8. Re:Unfortunately by AthanasiusKircher · · Score: 4, Insightful

    oh my godsies, parents have to take care of their kids. Wow, that's terrible. Next thing you know they'll have to find them too... tough shit, have a kid, you better be there to take care of them and raise them.

    "Being there" and "taking care" of a kid also involves gradually giving them the freedom to make their own choices and do their own things as they grow. If you don't do this, you end up with kids who never learn to take care of themselves and are still living at home in their late 20s or 30s.

    Anyhow, this needs to be based on age and maturity level, obviously. But nowadays we can't trust a 10-year-old to play outside with a 6.5-year-old younger sibling or to walk home from a park together (and yes, the parents ultimately were found responsible for neglect), nor can we trust an 11-year-old alone in a car for a few minutes while Mommy goes into the store.

    Etc., etc. Sadly, these stories are not uncommon. There are things like this that come up on a regular basis across the U.S., and if you search a bit you can also read some of the harrowing stories of parents who are force to spend months or years struggling to get their kids back or living under draconian state "supervision" by CPS when they do.

    Yes, as parents, you need to supervise your kids when they are little, and then you gradually allow them more freedom. It's called "growing up." But nowadays, people call the cops if they see a kid younger than 16 without a parent around, and CPS comes knocking.

    You don't think that's extreme?

  9. Re:Unfortunately by AthanasiusKircher · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Wait, they're admitting to doing it for no reason? Something isn't right with that. I've never seen a government agency acknowledge any wrongdoing, they go out of their way to avoid any such thing.

    That's not what I said. There are cases where CPS admits -- after investigation -- that they found "no evidence" of abuse or neglect.

    At the least, they'd have to claim they couldn't take the risk, that the mere possibility of harm wasn't acceptable.

    Yes, and that's what they do. But that doesn't change the fact that they are basically admitting that 1/3 of child removals are done without any substantiated evidence.

    Don't get me wrong -- if a child seems in imminent danger, perhaps CPS needs to step in. But the policy with CPS nowadays seems to be "take kid first, ask questions later," which if you're a parent who hasn't done anything wrong seems... well, wrong. Doesn't it?

    But don't limit this to police/CPS for children. It hits adults as well. It's bad enough that people with actual mental illness are neglected because nobody can be bothered to care, both in and out of care, it's worse when people are mistreated by those who are supposed to help them

    Okay, yeah. I know there are other things wrong in the world. But the topic of TFA is kids not going outside enough. One reason they may not be outside as much is because parents can't always be around their kids, and nowadays society seems to be saying if you can't personally supervise your kid until he/she is 16, you can't have them out of your sight (like outdoors). The abuse of people with mental illnesses and other "wards of the state" is another significant problem, but I'm not sure it's particularly related to TFA.

  10. Re:Unfortunately by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yes, as parents, you need to supervise your kids when they are little, and then you gradually allow them more freedom. It's called "growing up." But nowadays, people call the cops if they see a kid younger than 16 without a parent around, and CPS comes knocking.

    You don't think that's extreme?

    And it's getting more extreme.

    http://www.westernjournalism.c...

    The concept of Extended childhood has become pathological.

    So you might need to add another 10 years onto the age where they can be taken away from you. To me, it is subtle abuse. Children as people will remain children as long as they are treated like children. And this is robbing them of years of adulthood. And I have to say, at least in my case, I enjoy adulthood a lot more than childhood.

    I had completed my first education, had a good job and my first retirement plan by age 25. I fail to see how my remaining a child until that time would have helped either myself, my parents, or society in any way. Hell a lot of people are starting to get gray hair at 25.

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  11. Re:sOrRy ChArLiE WrOnG tUnA by Dr_Barnowl · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's you who is the dumbass. Perhaps you should actually think about it, or research it, before calling people out.

    This is school level physics.

    The mirror doesn't emit light, it reflects it. Which means the light has the same path as before, just bounced into a different angle, convergence and everything.

    Try this simple experiment - hold a mirror close by so as to reflect a tree in the distance. Hold a page of text (or a glistening penis, I suppose) next to the mirror. Focus on the text. Now focus on the tree.

    Can't do both at the same time, can you?

  12. Re:Stop it by PPH · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Or at least go outside and masturbate.

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