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Islamic State Doxes US Soldiers, Airmen, Calls On Supporters To Kill Them
An anonymous reader writes in with this story about the latest weapon used by ISIS: doxing. "Middle East terrorist organization Islamic State (ISIS) has called on its followers take the fight to 100 members of the United States military residing in the US. A group calling itself the 'Islamic State Hacking Division' has posted names, addresses, and photographs of soldiers, sailors, and airmen online, asking its 'brothers residing in America' to murder them, according to Reuters. Although the posting purports to come from the 'Hacking Division,' US Department of Defense officials say that none of their systems appear to have been breached by the group. Instead, the personal data was almost certainly culled from publicly available sources, a DoD official told the New York Times on the condition of anonymity."
That sounds like the kind of work the CIA is supposed to do.
For large sets, this will be our guide even unto death, for the LORD will work for each type of data it is applied to...
The military needs to post a few names and addresses themselves.
Maybe they just did, and this is a false flag operation to lure ISIS supporters into the open.
Even though they are little more than rednecks with AKs, we see articles on them all the time
Because where they are located as a group (not to be confused with the "lone wolf" types that the communication in question is trying to egg on), they've brutally killed thousands of people, and are armed with pretty nice toys, left behind by the courageous Iraqi regulars who went running for the hills when ISIS showed up.
Imagine if the same amount of press was done with some far right-wing militia group in the US.
If some group in the US did anything LIKE what ISIS is doing in across huge swaths of land in the Middle East, and did so with tens of thousands of people gleefully participating, then you'd see far MORE press about it that we're seeing about ISIS. But because there are no such huge groups of prisoner-burning, foreigner-decapitating militarized crazies occupying the equivalent of large portions of multiple states in the US, there's nothing to talk about.
ISIS's propaganda is working so well that even Europe has all but recognized them as a sovereign state.
Well, they control land, have a standing army, control and sell oil resources, and have people from around the world traveling to submit to their regime. That's about as (or more) put together as, say, Yemen is right now - a country that the EU recognizes.
If ISIS loses the ability to show some atrocity or chop off another head
So you're proposing control over the internet as a solution, here?
Don't disappoint your bird dog. Go to the range.
From a group that made its name slaughtering helpless civilians, I wouldn't expect a whole lot of guile.
I'm confused and not properly following this thread. Are you saying ISIS or the US military have made their names slaughtering helpless civilians?
Or both?
In the free world the media isn't government run; the government is media run.
you really hold an organization like ISIS and the US Govt on the same moral equivalency?
i don't care how much you hate the USA, you fail the ability of coherent thought if you think the USA and ISIS are morally the same
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
I understand your anger. But we're supposed to be better than them. I feel compelled to warn against becoming like your enemy.
Fifty years of Yippie! 1968-2018
In case you wonder how ISIS is receiving US support
So if you give your neighbor some used garden tools including a good brush clearing machete, and then your neighbor is run out of their house by MS13 so they can set up a meth lab, and they happen to use the machete to kill a rival drug dealer ... are you supporting MS13?
Get a grip.
Don't disappoint your bird dog. Go to the range.
The fact that they have survived this long with most Europe virtually recognizing them as a sovereign state
They *are* a sovereign state, by all rights. They control territory with military force, they tax citizens, they provide services, they buy and sell oil resources, they make and enforce laws, they have a standing army; how do they not meet the definition of a sovereign state or legitimate government? Yeah, they suck, they're brutal, etc., but so is North Korea.
you really hold an organization like ISIS and the US Govt on the same moral equivalency?
i don't care how much you hate the USA, you fail the ability of coherent thought if you think the USA and ISIS are morally the same
I wasn't claiming moral equivalence, just behavioral equivalence. The USA is run by a completely amoral group of people for whom human life has little value. I'll say the same about ISIS. Since I'm talking about amoral people its hardly a matter of 'moral equivalence'. Its not like I'm giving it a number and saying they are both at the same level of morality. They don't even have NO morality. They see themselves as operating at a meta-level above morality.
In the free world the media isn't government run; the government is media run.
You know, taken to the extreme, that becomes a difficult position to defend.
A group of people who want to force their beliefs on the world, and who are willing to cause civilian deaths if it achieves their ends, who don't care about the rights of anybody not in their number ... and then there's ISIS.
ISIS pretty much act like barbarians. Then again, killing civilians indiscriminately with drone strikes as "collateral damage" is pretty barbaric as well.
America are no angels here, and their security apparatus is undermining the rights and liberties of everyone on the planet.
I find it hard to accept the notion that there is no moral equivalency for the worst behavior.
I think ISIS are ideological crazy bastards. And then I look a the American right, and see equally crazy bastards who want the world to reflect their religion and are more than willing to force their beliefs on power through force.
And then I'm forced to conclude they're really both crazy and delusional, and view their own cause as somehow being different.
Lost at C:>. Found at C.
....They need to die. Every last one of them..... It's about a power-vacuum that was created in the Middle East....
That's exactly the problem. We make a list of every so-called asshole and kill them all only to find out that the problem hasn't been solved and that we need to make a new list of the new assholes who filled in the power-vacuum we created by killing the last bunch of assholes. Not to get all soft here, but the ISIS, Al Quida, etc. are symptoms of underlying political and social-economic problems that need to be addressed. The middle-east was always politically unstable since we broke up the Ottoman Empire in 1920. But the violence was limited as long as the economy was able to provide employment for the majority of the population. What we have had since the 1990s is the rise of globalism and the erosion of middle-class jobs, especially in the countries that have failed to diversify their economies and encourage innovation. The combination of economic pressure and lack of legitimate political structures has caused a perfect storm in which organisations such as ISIS can thrive.
OK, now can we admit its not a "religion of peace"?
(quick, mod him down, he said something we don't like! Plus all religions are equally evil - Presbyterians are just itchin to shop off some heads! Plus, wascally wepubwicans!)
Your argument is based on a lie. Show me any evidence that the US is killing civilians "indiscriminately" much less deliberately.
That is why things like this happen occasionally. Lives sacrificed for propaganda and public relations. Nobody is checking who our 'allies' really are.
“He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
you don't have to like the USA, but if you look at the leadership of the USA, and you look at the leadership of ISIS, and you see the same kind of people, you aren't announcing an understanding of the world, you are merely announcing that you have a horribly stunted social defect, and no grasp on moral reasoning
the usa has done horrible horrible things in the world. but to examine their motivations, actions, targets, etc., and see the same as ISIS on those measures, you're a moron on this topic. there's no other nicer way to say it. and it's not a baseless insult to call you that. it's an objective appraisal of the quality of the words you have written and the topic at hand. you're a socially stunted individual who should stop talking about a topic you lack the social abilities to understand
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
Yeah, well call me when John Boehner starts burning people alive and posting it to Youtube.
This is most certainly NOTprotected speech. It is a specific and immediate threat to harm someone. If Isis had posted something like 'death to soldiers' this might be protected because while it is a threat it is not specific or immediate.
Most of the USA does not agree with the American religious right, which is what you are referencing. Most of ISIS does not disagree with ISIS.
What the religious right wants, they don't necessarily get. And that's because there are more opinions than assholes in USA.
You pointed out less than 50 million people, as if they represent the rest of the 400 million population, said yeah that's basically the same. So you didn't even come close to making even a semi-coherent point.
Most of the USA does not agree with the American religious right, which is what you are referencing. Most of ISIS does not disagree with ISIS.
Actually most of ISIS disagrees with ISIS much more strongly, since most of them are coerced into joining at gunpoint.
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The Romans had little use for unifying the refugees of their occupied lands. They killed all that resisted and the rest were enslaved. Those that remained assimilted Roman culture because the opposite was death. This basic structure is the same in every place where force was successful.
The West's military misadventures have failed because Western militaries have become preoccupied with defeating armies and weapon systems. They are no longer focused on defeating a nation. Military force can only be successful to the extent that it is willing to defeat a people and break not only their ability to fight but to their willingness to fight.
This is not done through "nation building", nurturing or any other touchy-feely behavior. It is done by killing people who resist and destroying their places of living. Every act of resistence should be dealt with death and destruction until everyone willing to fight is dead and everyone else won't fight.
You approach a village and you take fire from it? You level the village and kill everyone who resists. You keep doing this and you will not have any resistence. People will learn that resistence is futile, that resistence means death.
There is nothing nice about this. It is vicious and it is brutal. Which is why we should not engage in military actions unless we are willing to pursue it. Because the opposite is viciousness and brutality for both sides without any resolution.
If the US were deliberately targeting civilians the dead would not number in the hundreds or even thousands but in the millions. A lot of the reason for the slow progress against ISIS is that ISIS has gotten so good at hiding among civilian populations and as a result the US and it's allies have to sift through and try to surgically remove them. Mistakes are made and innocents die but if not for the attempt at pinpoint strikes an incredible body count would arise. I disagree with what the US is doing as I've basically become an isolationist in the last couple of decades. The aim is to be proactive so as to prevent a bad situation from becoming a nightmare down the road. Militant Islam is a much bigger threat to Europe than the US and I'd like to see how it plays out against the moral snobbery of the European hypocrisy. I think I'd enjoy watching as the crazies finally force France and other enlightened nations to make hard choices about how to handle an insurgent assault against their freedom. Yes, I'd love to see all those hypocrites respond to charlie hebdo style attacks on a weekly basis. I wonder if they'd still have their outrage against collateral damage.
They are indeed not comparable. The U.S. government has murdered hundreds of thousands of Arab and Muslim civilians over the past few decades. ISIS? A relative handful.
Nonaggression works!