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Uber To Turn Into a Big Data Company By Selling Location Data
Presto Vivace sends news that Uber has entered into a partnership with Starwood Hotels that hooks accounts from both companies together. If you're a customer of both, you'll get a small benefit when chartering Uber rides, but the cost is that Uber will share all their data on you with Starwood. The article says,
This year, we are going to see the transformation of Uber into a big data company cut from the same cloth as Google, Facebook and Visa – using the wealth of information they know about me and you to deliver new services and generate revenue by selling this data to others. ... Uber can run the same program with airlines, restaurants, nightclubs, bars – every time you go from point A to point B in an Uber, “A”, “B” or both represent a new potential consumer of your data. ... Uber knows the hot nightclubs, best restaurants and most obviously now has as much data about traffic patterns as Waze (which coincidentally trades data with local governments). Combining Uber’s data with the very-personal data that customers are willing to give up in exchange for benefits, means that Uber can, and is, on its way to becoming a Big Data company.
Geeeeenius.
Super mega bait and switch for easy fast money.
Remember back when Uber's big privacy problem was 'God View?
Well, they promised to cut back their sleazebag executives' personal access to that. They might even have been not-lying. Unfortunately, that just meant that they were growing up, and moving into the big-kid leagues of privacy violation. As I said then:
"So, in a predictable (honestly, surprising they made it to this market cap without doing it already) part of the maturation process; Uber is claiming that they'll rein in discretionary access to personal information by their frat-bro-asshole management, and instead put full database access to all the data ever in the hands of their advertising and customer analytics weasels.
That's the unpleasant flip side to a story like this. Yes, as it happens, Uber has some of the most punchable management shitweasels one could ask for. The very idea of one of them using 'god view' on you makes you want to take a hot shower and scrub yourself until the uncleanness is gone. However, while opportunistic assholerly is repulsive, it is also unsystematic. Once they grow up a bit, and put those data into the hands of solid, value-rational, systematic, people who aim to squeeze every drop of value out of it, then you are really screwed."
Well, there we are: 'turning into a big data company' is pretty much the thermonuclear option when it comes to customer privacy; more or less the most invasive thing we yet have the technology to make cost effective. It'll take some real innovating for them to dig deeper.
What the unexpecting viewer is to goatse.cx.
Did I get that right, mensa people?
They say they'll operate like Google and Facebook, but they'll do the same as they've done with taxi regulations; ignore the rules. Don't be suprised if we hear about data protection regulations being flouted because Uber are "just a car sharing company, and not a marketting giant".
Good thing I don't use Uber, then!
"I don't know, therefore Aliens" Wafflebox1
Did anyone using this service expect anything less? The data created by the company is another product that can be consumed.
I used to love being a free person, now I'm a data product to be bought and sold, much like a slave.
My ism, it's full of beliefs.
Ubers app records location not just when you're using its service, it tracks you always. Uber is part owned by Google, Google also track you always. Lots of companies track your details, from the contacts in your address book, your locations, your messages, the URLs you visit, the search terms, what porn you like. Your bank transactions, your medical details, your identity details, all are sold under the category 'business records'. Your relationships, your family, romantic and sexual links. Where you shop, your loyalty cards, what you buy, your politics, your campaigns, your journalism.
Your business secrets, your job, your CV, your LinkedIn account, your Facebook account, your email, your messages, your SMSs.
All that data is made available to NSA and GCHQ as business records, including all your government records. Those agencies are not passive, JTRIG the UKs attack agency creates false allegations, rigs polls, fakes emails, and HAS ATTACK GONE AFTER BRITS, they decided 'hackivism' would be a valid target, and went after UK script kiddies.
https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/02/24/jtrig-manipulation/
You're an idiot, plain and simple.
Selling "Customers as a service" is the big, new economy and every single "startup" and "app" coming out of places like Y Combinator in the past few years has been about nothing more than selling your information. Every mobile app, every mobile game. Every "CHECK OUT THIS FREE NEW THING!" For example, Life 360. Think they're offering this for free? Life360 is currently valued at $250M. Facebook paid a few billion for WhatsApp Messenger.
You're a complete moron if you haven't been watching this.
Offtopic, cunt.
Privacy will be the new luxury commodity of the 21st century. Seriously, it takes a shitload of time and thought to secure even the slightest bit of privacy these days. The biggest leak point of personal information are definitely smartphones. They haven't matured to a point where they would be as "easily" configurable as PC's and hence users usually haven't got the slightest clue what the phone is doing with all their data. I mean, a great example would be my smartphone's built-in weather widget: why the fuck does it need to access my text messages and e-mails every few hours?
A tax avoiding Luxembourg company breaking EU data privacy laws wont end well.
Never offtopic. Must talk about sexism in FL/OSS at all times.
Triggering.
Haha. Anyone who has been to a South East Asian country knows all about this. You get a cheap price for the taxi and then spend half the day at the driver's cousin's Gem store on Silom Road trying to convince them to take you to see the real Giant Buddha. It's funny how you add a splash of paint and some suits to a scam and everyone thinks the western world is 'advanced'.
As someone who is an SPG member and generally keeps tabs on what new promotions Starwood runs, this is anything but news. Starwood has over the past year or two, as a general strategy, struck up this kind of relationsip with a ton of companies.
- Starwood partners with Caesars Entertainment, where your SPG profile and your Total Rewards profiles can be linked. This means that loyalty shown at Caesars casinos can help you at Starwood hotels, and vice-versa
- Starwood also partners with Delta, where your SPG profile and your Skymiles profile can be linked, in a simmilar capacity - you can earn both skymiles and SPG points for Detla flights and for hotel stays.
- Now, they are doing the same with Uber... same story as above.
Obviously these companies are going to share customer data. However, if you think Starwood has the infrastructure built, capacity or talent to data mine Uber for what restaurants you go to and target hotel promotions, I think you have a bit higher expectations of them than I do. The much more immediate use of these types of partnerships is to encourage cross-brand loyalty for both companies.
With the right of rectification, and the right to privacy, good luck with Uber trying to pull that in EU. If they think they got problem, wait until the prevacy minded folk in the EU crush them.
Well, it's time to change their name to Unter. See ya assholes.
Just another day in Paradise
Anybody who says they didn't see this coming is a complete fool.
This kind of crap was the goal all along.
They're a non-taxi taxi company who has non-employee employees who aren't covered by any rules, who has to justify a billion plus in valuation, and want to sell you data.
Everything about this company has been sleazy from the get go. Suddenly becoming a big-data company was entirely predictable.
Just another greedy technology company, claiming to be innovative, mostly skirting around the rules they claim don't apply to them, and wanting to use their access to your cell phone to sell data about you ... because that's where the real money is.
These guys have always sounded like a sleazy player. Maybe their "customers" will wise up. And maybe their drivers will too. The product has always been data.
Lost at C:>. Found at C.
So how that Uber is going to make all this money from location data, are they going to give free rides? It seems unlikely, but it's possible that the revenue stream from subscribers to their database could exceed the operating costs for fuel, paying drivers, and other overheads. If they give free rides, they may be able to side-step some of the taxi laws, because they're not profiting directly from the riders.
Big data you say? Well then...you're getting a NSL...think of the children!
private cash only transactions.
putting the 'B' in LGBTQ+
Should men with unpopular or "forbidden" views be excised from the opensource movement and "not allowed" to contribute, in a manner similar to that which is done in employment?
It depends... are you Hans Reiser posting from prison? If so, I think the answer to the question is probably "yes".
PS: Killing your wife is pretty sexist...
Why is google listed?
They aggregate and anonymize the data before they sell it; it's just statistical information at that point.
I never did believe for a minute they were nothing but full of shit. I was right. Where I go is nobody's business but mine.
Ugh. All your base R belong to us.
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As it happens, I listened to an EconTalk episode last night dating back to July 2014, which is mainly about Uber.
Michael Munger on the Sharing Economy
This happens to be the audience-favourite EconTalk episode from 2014.
I've never been as much of a Mike Munger fan as many listeners of the show, but I actually thought this episode was well done. It's about 59m30s longer than what fits in an SMS message, so that makes it fairly clear that this episode is not preaching to the Uber choir. It's for those of us north of 30, whose lives are so dismal we sit around and listen to other people converse about how old and dismal we've all become.
just another evil corporation bent on ripping off the public .... no good can come of this
They are just doing everything the wrong way, aren't they?
Like, just when I think things can't get worse for them, they go and make things worse anyways.
That's what they should change their company name to, to be more in line with reality.
Are YOU using the TOOL, or is the TOOL using YOU? Think about it!
Simple as that. Deleted.
...the big boys will probably leave them alone.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
So, move to Somalia already. Or China and enjoy their EPA-less environment.
Learn some fucking history.
Or run for office. Or become an investigative reporter. Or do a Snowden.
But stop fucking bitching because things are not perfectly fairy-land, and take a look around, and appreciate how fucking good you have it.
And pay your fucking taxes. And smile when you do that.