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Amazon Robot Contest May Accelerate Warehouse Automation

moon_unit2 writes Amazon is organizing an event to spur the development of more nimble-fingered product-packing robots. Participating teams will earn points by locating products sitting somewhere on a stack of shelves, retrieving them safely, and then packing them into cardboard shipping boxes. Robots that accidentally crush a cookie or drop a toy will have points deducted. The contest is already driving new research on robot vision and manipulation, and it may offer a way to judge progress made in the past few years in machine intelligence and dexterity. Robots capable of advanced manipulation could eventually take on many simple jobs that are still done by hand.

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  1. Some things you can automate, some things won't. by The+New+Guy+2.0 · · Score: 2

    There's plenty of jobs at stake with this kind of thing... Amazon could easily cut staff if the item picking items could do everything, but even robotic pullers wear out over time. Seems like it's a difference between brute force people and those that fix robotic systems.

  2. Not just for amazon by burtosis · · Score: 1
    I mean think of the potential here. FTFA:

    Robots capable of advanced manipulation could eventually take on many simple jobs that are still done by hand.

    Just think with this advancement Walowitz would never have had to go to the ER.

  3. Next prize for: robots to fix the robots by localroger · · Score: 1

    And don't worry, it can't turn into Skynet because Amazon doesn't have nuclear weapons.

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    1. Re:Next prize for: robots to fix the robots by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Are you sure?

      Maybe you can only get it from one of their resellers, but if not, I bet you can get your nukes from AliExpress.

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    2. Re:Next prize for: robots to fix the robots by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      you have to buy those on ebay.

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    3. Re:Next prize for: robots to fix the robots by Neil+Boekend · · Score: 1

      They do have yellowcake.

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  4. Hand Job Contest by Gliscameria · · Score: 1

    It's such a better name for a contest that uses robots to perform monotonous jobs currently done by hand.

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  5. Handles by sexconker · · Score: 2

    Attach a standardized handle to every item. Have the robot look for and grab the handle.
    The handle should be such that when grabbed by the robot in correct orientation, it can properly support the full weight of the item (or the box/packaging containing the item) + some amount of additional torque incurred while moving.
    The handle can either go out with the item or be removed by the robot for reuse. If it goes out with the item, it needs to be reusable/recyclable or represent minimal additional packaging material.

    Many small items already have the standard ____()____ hole for rack display. Make it easily recognizable (contrasting border) and give robots a little finger to grab it.
    Many light items in cardboard boxes have standardized cut-flap handles. Give robots a little hand to grab it.
    Heavier items in cardboard boxes often have handles. Standardize, give hand.

    Think of it as pallets for individual items. When shipping items you don't need to determine how best to pack, handle, move, or store them, let alone program a robot to do so. You just use a forklift and grab the pallet. All of the thinking for the other shit for each individual item is done by the people making the individual item.

    1. Re:Handles by Lumpy · · Score: 2

      It's already this way. Amazon uses Dematic handling systems and robots.

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  6. Re:Great! by silas_moeckel · · Score: 1

    Because putting a rfid tag on all the more expensive stuff would be hard?

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  7. Re:Some things you can automate, some things won't by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

    They will do evaluations to see which is cheaper, of course. A great many low-paid pickers, including management overhead, verses a much smaller number of high-skilled, high-paid service people and a higher outlay cost. One serviceperson could maintain a great many robots, each of which could replace two or three human pickers.

  8. Re:Some things you can automate, some things won't by Jax+Omen · · Score: 4, Informative

    I've worked in an Amazon warehouse.

    They already have robots drive shelves of product to the pickers, so all they do is stand there and pluck things off shelves all day.

    The problems at Amazon aren't the work, it's the artificial conditions imposed by management. ALl workers are treated like thieves, the facility is incredibly cold (like 60F in summer cold, when it's 90F outside) in places, way too hot in others (100F+), there are only cement floors with terrible rubber mats at standing locations, and workers are held WAY too closely to their time punches (i.e. it's a 5 minute walk from your station to the break room, your 15 minute break is now a 5 minute break, too bad, so sad).

    It's also one of those workplaces that emphasizes "culture" heavily, aka does daily pep rallies and wastes a ton of time on false morale, instead of trying to have happier workers.

  9. Re:Great! by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    Why rely on luck?

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  10. flawed approach by wbr1 · · Score: 1
    I have a side business as an Amazon FBA seller. One thing that is often required is item preparation before sending it to an AZ warehouse. This can be bagging, bubble wrapping, etc depending on the item. Amazon also already has frustration free packaging for many items. instead of the impossible clam shell its a simple cardboard sleeve for many items.

    Looking at this, I see it as possible in the future for amazon to require manufacturers and sellers to package items in standard size and shape boxes to make it easy for the bots.

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    1. Re:flawed approach by Bite+The+Pillow · · Score: 1

      Seems clear they are focusing on the after part of "sending it to an AZ warehouse".

      Are they still taking a flawed approach?

      What about by using "the latest computer-vision and machine-learning algorithms" to avoid having standard size and shape boxes?

      Still flawed?

    2. Re:flawed approach by wbr1 · · Score: 1

      I am simply stating that AZ already makes requirements of sellers. It is cheaper for them to require standard prep and packaging than to create a robot that can handle all situations. Given the amount of product they move, it is not a far stretch to imagine them starting to require it and sellers capitulating.

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  11. Re:Some things you can automate, some things won't by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 1

    High paid? With millions of unemployed waiting in line for this or another job?

    Even if you can get the pesky feds away, and pay them less than minimum wage, lazy, entitled, human workers still tend to waste 4-8 hours/day 'sleeping' and engaging in rudimentary grooming behaviors; and their lack of work ethic means that if you try to pay them starvation wages they may just decide to go starve somewhere else, and at least work fewer hours while doing so.

    The effect is most obvious in places where automation is ridiculously efficient(it's pretty tricky for even your most downtrodden human to be cheap enough to stuff PCBs more efficiently than a pick-and-place, for instance); but it's true across the board that no matter how hard you beat them down, humans still have a price floor. Even slaves aren't necessarily cheaper than robots.

  12. Re:Some things you can automate, some things won't by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Do you suspect that this is a product of ineptitude, or an exploration of the theory that degradation enhances compliance?

  13. Amazon contest may accelerate worker displacement by aNonnyMouseCowered · · Score: 1

    Yeah, there's always two ways to title a tech story, the utopian and the dystopian implications of a coming-of-age sci-fi technology. I'm beginning to think maybe only a form of democratic communism will save us from the techno barons of the future. That or the spread of molecular manufacturing, where the only resource you need is the dirt in your backyard, unless the hoi polloi have all been by the time packed into mega-prison-like kilometer-high apartment complexes.

  14. Re:Some things you can automate, some things won't by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative
  15. Re:Workers Have Complained by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    True; I live far away from an Amazon warehouse so I won't have to worry about the laid off workers robbing me for money / food / shelter.

    they should rob CEO of Amazon or some GOV people and they be willing to go to jail / prison where the state will pick up the tab for food and shelter + a doctor that covers more then the ER.

  16. Let Me Guess... by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

    Let me guess... the prize for this contest will be some sort of Amazon Gift Card.

    I work for a company whose motor division was competing to get designed into a 'robot' to shuttle around merchandise in Amazon's warehouses. It's a big commercial thing. They are developing this technology in a big way.

    But contests like this let them 'outsource' their R&D to people who will do the work for free, or for the peanuts that an 'award' for a contest represents.

    Sorry to be so negative about it. They should hire professionals to do this stuff, not exploit the rest of us.

  17. Re:Some things you can automate, some things won't by Mashiki · · Score: 2

    General Motors has tried this a number of times at a variety of different warehouses including the National Parts Distribution Centers in Canada at Woodstock, Edmonton and in the US at the facilities in Ohio and Colorado. Even at the wage that most of the people make between $21-29/hr they're more efficient, have fewer errors, and process the orders more quickly than any automation system did. And they've been running tests and trials of it since the 1980's, and every time a human beats the machine. In the one case where they went with a full automation field trial, the warehouse was losing money. Where as a warehouse like Woodstock makes money hand over fist.

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  18. Re:Some things you can automate, some things won't by SuricouRaven · · Score: 2

    Which would be why Amazon is improving the technology. Human workers aren't going to get an better - but robots can be improved. If they aren't good enough right now, invest some money in engineering until they are.

  19. Re:Some things you can automate, some things won't by Mashiki · · Score: 1

    That was exactly the same reasoning that GM invested heavily in robotics to do the same job, and after 35 years of screwing around with it they simply threw their hands up over it.

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  20. Re:Some things you can automate, some things won't by Lost+Penguin · · Score: 1

    " the theory that degradation enhances compliance"

    We must work for the same company....

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