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If You Thought Studying History Was Bad, This Math Professor Is Making It Harder

Raven writes: New research out of Streeling University aims to make planning for the future much easier. The work, led by professor Seldon, tries to set probabilistic values on future events, and then weigh those probabilities against each other to figure out what combination of events is most likely to happen. Describing it under the unlikely moniker "psychohistory," Seldon seems to think planning even 10,000 years into the future might be possible. (Seldon also seems to be a bit of a doomsayer, so this is likely exaggerated.) Nevertheless, it'll be another tool for government planners to consider when developing new colonies.

75 comments

  1. now this more like it by kallen3 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    this is more in the line of a slashdot april fools

    1. Re: now this more like it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Agreed 100%. More posts like this, lads, this is the good stuff.

    2. Re:now this more like it by Penguinisto · · Score: 1

      Yep...

      Besides, don't those idiots know that you can skip the middleman and just ask Daneel?

      (just keep an eye on that ugly big-headed freshman over there...)

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    3. Re:now this more like it by war4peace · · Score: 1

      That would piss Dors off.
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D...

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      ...gis sdrawkcab (usually not responding to ACs; don't bother posting as AC)
    4. Re:now this more like it by Sarius64 · · Score: 1

      Just wanted to read the whole series again when I saw this post, sigh. I smell a binge week coming up for Foundation.

    5. Re:now this more like it by rossdee · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Yes, at least this one is based on a book (series) rather than movies or TV SciFi

    6. Re:now this more like it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Every now and then a /. thread shows up and completely restores my faith in humanity.

      This is not that thread, but it sure beats the usual.

    7. Re:now this more like it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      still dumb though. they are simply not trying, at all lamest april fools ever.. bring back the pink ponies already.

    8. Re:now this more like it by halivar · · Score: 2

      That one reason alone is why I detest Foundation and Earth and the prequels. It's like all the work and struggles of the two trilogies were meaningless, and the genius of Seldon was reduced to a parlor trick.

    9. Re: now this more like it by juanfgs · · Score: 0

      The others have just not enough subtlety. I like this one. nothing bets OMG PONIEZ yet!

    10. Re:now this more like it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      this is more in the line of a slashdot april fools

      Only if you never read Isaac Asimov's Foundation.

    11. Re:now this more like it by Penguinisto · · Score: 1

      I totally get that POV. I even somewhat agree with it. Sometimes, it's better to just have a character die (or at most become so minor later on that his appearance is little more than a cameo, or a wink/nod to fans.)

      It would have been way, way better if Daneel was reduced to some glorified scribe who wrote down history or something minor, and not this 'power-behind-the-throne' thing.

      That said, I don't really detest the series that much... Asimov did manage to pull it off IMHO (barely, but still).

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      Quo usque tandem abutere, Nimbus, patientia nostra?
    12. Re: now this more like it by unami · · Score: 1

      with the only slight fault that psychohistory has become a real thing. too subtle.

    13. Re:now this more like it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Arthur C. Clarke. Good stuff.

    14. Re:now this more like it by sysrammer · · Score: 1

      ...which is probably a majority of 'dotters, nowadays.

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      His ignorance covered the whole earth like a blanket, and there was hardly a hole in it anywhere. - Mark Twain
    15. Re:now this more like it by The+Terminator · · Score: 1

      Isaac Asimov -- A.C. Clarke wrote "The Sentinel" aka "2001 A Space Odissey"

  2. Ha! by GTRacer · · Score: 1

    I laughed, I cried, I remembered what day it was, I sighed.

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    Defending IP by destroying access to it? That makes sense, RIAA/MPAA. Go to the corner until you can play nice!
  3. And he had the revelation by wye43 · · Score: 1

    While being in sector Wye.

  4. Where is the story? by hodet · · Score: 1

    One link on a wiki about fictional psychohistory? 10000 years into the future is incomprehensible and whoever exists in that time will laugh at us. Just write sci-fi instead.

    1. Re:Where is the story? by hodet · · Score: 4, Funny

      Ah fuck.......leaving slashdot until April2. fuck ^*&((^&*(^*&Y&* SUHRUISHUIPY&Y&*)^6

    2. Re:Where is the story? by Penguinisto · · Score: 1

      heh

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      Quo usque tandem abutere, Nimbus, patientia nostra?
    3. Re:Where is the story? by halivar · · Score: 2

      BAHAHAHA! YES! Finally, a victim!!!

    4. Re:Where is the story? by mean+pun · · Score: 1

      Ah fuck.......leaving slashdot until April2. fuck ^*&((^&*(^*&Y&* SUHRUISHUIPY&Y&*)^6

      That last sound is you being eaten by Mozilla, right?

      Or you're fighting a garbage compactor without the help of that #$%^ princess?

      Incoming call from Capt. Sheridan?

    5. Re:Where is the story? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ah fuck.......leaving slashdot until April2. fuck ^*&((^&*(^*&Y&* SUHRUISHUIPY&Y&*)^6

      That last sound is you being eaten by Mozilla, right?

      Or you're fighting a garbage compactor without the help of that #$%^ princess?

      Incoming call from Capt. Sheridan?

      Wrong on all counts. He was obviously replaced by a Perl code generator.

  5. Make it stop! by grimmjeeper · · Score: 0

    Can we please stop with the idiotic stories? One was funny. Two was meh. Three was dumb. At this point it's gone past annoying.

    1. Re:Make it stop! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If they're going to continue with April Fools' Jokes, at least this one was subtle and appropriately geeky... the way it should be done. If you're gonna do it, do it this way...not the way you did with Dune and Star Wars already.

    2. Re:Make it stop! by TheViffer · · Score: 1

      Wow, Psychohistory is true!

      Your response comprises of history on the past articles, the sociology behind those said articles and sequential counting of the articles to supply the mathematical statistics to predict future history!

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      -- Knowing too much can get you killed, but knowing who knows too much can make you rich.
    3. Re:Make it stop! by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      Have you never read Slashdot on April first? This happens every year........the best was OMG-PONIES

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      "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
    4. Re:Make it stop! by grimmjeeper · · Score: 1

      It would be tolerable if the jokes were, oh, I don't know... Funny?

    5. Re:Make it stop! by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      Maybe we can make a 1,000 year plan to improve the jokes. Maybe we can start with an encyclopedia to be the Foundation of your education!

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      "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
    6. Re:Make it stop! by grimmjeeper · · Score: 1

      Maybe we can come up with jokes that are less tedious and irritating than a 4 year old telling knock-knock jokes*.

      * I didn't come up with this comparison. Someone in another story did. But it very accurately characterizes the "jokes" being posted today.

    7. Re:Make it stop! by Thomas+Miconi · · Score: 1

      Can we please stop with the idiotic stories? One was funny. Two was meh. Three was dumb. At this point it's gone past annoying.

      Nah, this one is actually OK. It might even introduce new readers to the original Asimov material. All of us old hats have read it, but the young'uns might not.

      Actually, if they could use the joke posts to highlight some lesser known works, that would be ideal.

    8. Re:Make it stop! by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      Maybe you can get a sense of humor. Room 101 has just what you need, I suggest passing by there for some re-education. The ministry is happy to help.

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      "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
    9. Re:Make it stop! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your response was both predicted and planned. We expect to annoy 17% of the readership, and which point we can progress to phase 2.

    10. Re:Make it stop! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If they're going to continue with April Fools' Jokes, at least this one was subtle and appropriately geeky... the way it should be done. If you're gonna do it, do it this way...not the way you did with Dune and Star Wars already.

      This one was only subtle is that a brick to the face is subtle.

      Seldon seems to think planning even 10,000 years into the future might be possible

  6. more academic BS by Goldsmith · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is just another play for increased grant funding with less oversight. Convenient that the program managers won't be able to evaluate anything until well after the money is spent.

    1. Re:more academic BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Perhaps you should read Asimov's Foundation series. :)

    2. Re:more academic BS by Goldsmith · · Score: 1

      Foundation was one of my favorite books growing up ; )

    3. Re:more academic BS by Crashmarik · · Score: 1

      next thing you know he will want his own planet to protect against predicted disasters.

    4. Re:more academic BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      THANKS, Cleon!

    5. Re:more academic BS by Dragonslicer · · Score: 2

      next thing you know he will want his own planet to protect against predicted disasters.

      My prediction is that he'll ask for two planets.

    6. Re:more academic BS by sysrammer · · Score: 1

      well played

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      His ignorance covered the whole earth like a blanket, and there was hardly a hole in it anywhere. - Mark Twain
    7. Re:more academic BS by Registered+Coward+v2 · · Score: 1

      Foundation was one of my favorite books growing up ; )

      Anything by Asimov is good, and much is great, and most movies made from his writings suck; and as I noted in another post the best part of some of it is you can take it, rename it, and sell it as a real thing to people.

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      I'm a consultant - I convert gibberish into cash-flow.
  7. Home, home on derange by techno-vampire · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...Where Seldon is heard,
    A discouraging word.

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  8. The best part of this is by Registered+Coward+v2 · · Score: 1

    People will actually pay you for this if you call it scenario planning. It's all in the marketing.

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    I'm a consultant - I convert gibberish into cash-flow.
  9. We must build by gibbson · · Score: 2

    a Foundation!

    1. Re:We must build by Kiaser+Zohsay · · Score: 1

      No, two of them! At opposite ends of the galaxy!

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      I am not your blowing wind, I am the lightning.
    2. Re:We must build by Penguinisto · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Damnit! You weren't supposed to tell anyone about the second one yet!

      (Just great... now we gotta build a third one so that no one... shit! Okay, a four- dammit!)

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      Quo usque tandem abutere, Nimbus, patientia nostra?
    3. Re:We must build by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am sure the Asimov Institute will provide financial help.

    4. Re:We must build by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Great book series. Quite surprise to see a April fool joke played with it.

    5. Re:We must build by Dragonslicer · · Score: 3, Funny

      Star's End? Where the hell is that?

    6. Re:We must build by Captain+Sarcastic · · Score: 1

      Didn't Han Solo end up going there? (Extra points to anyone who can name the author...)

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      Strike while the irony is hot! -- The Freethinker
  10. Black Swans by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This guy needs to read The Black Swan and Antifragile by Taleb. Change happens piecemeal and unpredictably. Looking back as a guide to what the future holds only works if the predictor can show that events have happened prior to prediction based on is past observations. This is a fools errand.

    Cheers!

    1. Re:Black Swans by phantomfive · · Score: 2

      Maybe you should read Foundation.

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      "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
  11. Would be funnier if these were mixed in by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When EVERY FRIGGIN POST is an April 1st "joke" and I use that term lightly, it is not very effective and less funny. If they had only thought to mix these in with REAL stories... oh but this is Slashdot...Never Mind!

    And yes I vote for OMG Ponies!

  12. What the heck am I supposed to do with mod points? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Today I just can't be bothered to moderate anyone. Sorry.
    Waste of my effort to moderate on April Fools stories.

  13. AF by Rick+Zeman · · Score: 1

    Not only does a circle have no end, so does the the /. "jokes." This is a good one, though. Why don't they just bring back ZOMG PONIES! and be done with it?

    1. Re:AF by grimmjeeper · · Score: 1

      Throw in building a beowulf cluster running ponies and you might be on to something...

    2. Re:AF by grimmjeeper · · Score: 1

      Sorry. that should be "Beowulf cluster of ponies running Linux". My coffee hasn't kicked in yet...

    3. Re:AF by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bronies would be much more appropriate for the predominantly male slashdot audience.

    4. Re:AF by sconeu · · Score: 1

      Are the ponies powered by hot grits?

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      General Relativity: Space-time tells matter where to go; Matter tells space-time what shape to be.
    5. Re:AF by Captain+Sarcastic · · Score: 1

      Hot grits poured down Natalie Portman's pants... (which I never got the point of, because I don't think she's done anything that justifies 2nd and 3rd degree burns on her groin...)

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      Strike while the irony is hot! -- The Freethinker
  14. Remember Slashdot, Never Go Full Retard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Too late.

  15. the scientists finger by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    All predictive psychology depends on the population NOT KNOWING that they are being analyzed or guided...
    So if a scientist sticks their finger into the pot, it skews the results - kinda like QM....
    Now, another fact is that anomalies cannot be predicted. this is a failure mode of psychohistory.
    Lady Gaga is one example. Paul Atreides is another. Bronies and such are entirely predicatable, as are the
    "Get OFF my lawn" types, and the whining by gamers/hipsters about the April Fools topics here...

  16. yawn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If You Thought Studying History Was Bad

    No, I didn't.

  17. very foundational article by manifestdestinynow · · Score: 1

    You should be ashamed! However psychohistory is alive and well! This is the year of the sheep, and human behavior can be predicted with perfection - show people Fear and they will beg to have their liberty taken away! B

  18. Psh who cares by jeffmeden · · Score: 1

    I already know what's going to happen in the year 2525 and beyond. And, well, the year 9595 doesn't look good. Why bother planning for it.

    1. Re:Psh who cares by fredrated · · Score: 1

      Is Man still alive? Has Women survived?

  19. There is but one Galactic Spirit... by Shadow+IT+Ninja · · Score: 1

    ...and Hari Seldon is his prophet.

  20. Forbidden Research by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But your usage of difference equations is illegal, Professor Seldon! Prepare to face the steely courts of the government.

  21. That will never work... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It hinges too much on the people not looking ahead at the predictions before the prescribed date.

    (I was getting sick of these April 1st posts, I grew up with these books and couldn't resist clicking and commenting)

  22. What a load of metaphysical crap. by tombeard · · Score: 1

    Yea, it sounds good in theory, but only if you assume human nature is determinate. All it would take is a single incident or individual, a mutation perhaps, to totally derail any such prognosis. What are you going to do, hide a secret society of "psyco"-technicians among the populous to try and pull events back on course when the inevitable happens? Please, pull the other one.

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  23. Ahem... I developed a psychohistory too... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But nobody paid attention to it so it is not fully published... but yeah, it does resemble string theory and is of practical importance and gives us some control and yes, it is mathematical in nature and does match (fit) current and _historical events, and yes, it does incorporate the Human psyche in it and I even used it to explain the mechanic of the surge of agriculture... so yeah, it does look feasible a psychohistory like the one promoted in this post and its possibilities, though mine is not a planning tool but rather a **genetic** explanation of history and its underlying mechanics... :-|