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Visual Studio 2015 Can Target Linux; Android Apps Anywhere Chrome Can Run

Posted by timothy on from the then-you-win-maybe dept.

jones_supa writes Phoronix has noticed that the Visual Studio 2015 product page mentions that the new IDE can target Linux out of the box. Specifically the page says "Build for iOS, Android, Windows devices, Windows Server or Linux". What this actually means is not completely certain at this point, but it certainly laces nicely with the company opening up the .NET Framework. And speaking of cross-platform software: new submitter mccrew writes Google has released a tool that lets Android apps run on any machine that can run its Chrome browser. Called Arc Welder, the tool acts as a wrapper around Android apps so they can run on Windows, OS X and Linux machines. The software expands the places that Android apps can run and might make it easier for developers to get code working on different machines.

96 comments

  1. It means... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

    ...you can write an "app" in HTML and CrappScript and it'll show up on a browser on Linux. Wow! Amazing!

    1. Re:It means... by Bite+The+Pillow · · Score: 1

      For iOS, supporting PhoneGap and random WebKit for Linux makes sense.

      With open sourcing of the .NET framework, Linux C# makes sense.

      I'm not sure how the Javaness of Android might be tamed, other than processing .NET bytecode to Java bytecode.

      I'm not sure how C++ would work. Considering Corona uses Lua to Objective-C, and Marmalade is kind of an anything goes, there are possibilities way beyond an uninformed anonymous coward.

    2. Re:It means... by epyT-R · · Score: 2

      what a mishmash of broken garbage these stacks are now.. no wonder nothing's secure and simple program logic that was fine with 66mhz and half a meg of ram now needs a 3ghz cpu and 2gb to run acceptably.

      None of that makes sense if performance is of any concern (it should be), along with seamless integration into the environment.

  2. Apache Cordova by Super+Mario+Troll · · Score: 1

    It's using this: http://cordova.apache.org/ (via https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-...

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    1. Re:Apache Cordova by Hallow · · Score: 1

      Yep. It's cordova - which means web apps (technically hybrid since you can bridge to native functionality). I haven't used a single cordova/phonegap app that I've liked, and I actively look to avoid them. It's generally pretty easy to tell. I'm sure this is just ticking a box for marketing, nobody building anything remotely serious will even consider this.

  3. Java killer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Looks like C# is closing in for the kill. I've read that a starter version Xamarin/mono is going to be integrated into VS.

    1. Re:Java killer by msobkow · · Score: 3, Funny

      *LOL* And this is the year of the Linux desktop, too, right?

      There is a lot more holding up C# domination of the world than Java. Like itself.

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    2. Re:Java killer by bondsbw · · Score: 1

      Yep, I'd say that Java isn't holding up C# at all.

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    3. Re:Java killer by phantomfive · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I'll give my opinion of why it won't, and it is the mindset between the C# community and the Java community, and how they differ.

      In the C# world, it's like the great masters on high give us features and we use them. This is an example of that attitude (and it's actually rather poetic, if not sickening).

      In the Java world, a new framework comes along when someone says, "we have a problem to solve, what is the best way to solve it?" They are there, working in the trenches, trying to solve the problem themselves. Like Maven.....some guy had problems with builds and said, "there must be a better way." And he built that way. In Java there are often multiple competing solutions to the problem, and eventually one is voted as the best.

      So it's the cathedral vs the bazaar. The cathedral is fine, don't get me wrong, they work hard at it; but it has the feel of product managers, feature checklists, and dispassionate programmers.

      The passionate programmers create a better product, and they're in Java world. (Note: I don't even particularly like Java, I just recognize there are differences between the Java and C# ecosystems).

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    4. Re:Java killer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Voted the best? And then the rest disappear? Because I'd expect that there's 9 competing ways of doing almost the same thing, sometimes within the same project, with breaking changes between versions. Maven is a pretty terrible example, too... Nuget is a thing. Seems like every platform has a similar package manager concept, and it's generally not owned by whoever is behind the platform.

    5. Re:Java killer by phantomfive · · Score: 2

      Nuget is a thing.

      Yes, I know.....and another word I would use to describe that thing is a 'joke.' Seriously, how many times has Maven corrupted your project files? This is actually a problem with Nuget.

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    6. Re:Java killer by phantomfive · · Score: 0

      tl;dr Java has a niche (an ugly niche, but beauty is relative), and C# doesn't even want to target that niche.

      The core language, Java and C#, are different, they have different design motivations.

      Java is designed to be safe for less-competent programmers. You can let low-paid programmers loose in Java, and the code won't get messed up beyond repair. It'll be ugly code, but it can still be worked with. This feature is why people are calling Java "the COBOL of the new millennium."

      C# started by copying Java, but designer Anders Hejlsberg emphatically does not want to make his language the next COBOL. He wants to add features and abilities that will make it last far into the future. Of course, more features can make code more complex, as we've seen in C++.

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    7. Re:Java killer by Ice+Station+Zebra · · Score: 0

      Not really, having programmed in both C# and java this week, I much prefer Eclipse to the mess that is Visual Studio.

    8. Re:Java killer by InsectOverlord · · Score: 2

      I'd argue that both C# and VB.net are "copies" of Borland Delphi, not of Java - not surprising, considering .NET was created by the people who made Delphi (C# inevitably looks like Java, being C-based). This is very obvious particularly in VB.net, which borrows quite a few keywords from Delphi.

    9. Re:Java killer by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      That's an interesting idea. I have no way to judge, since I've never used Delphi. C# feels a lot like Java to me though......like I can go back and forth between the two with almost no cognitive issues, the biggest trouble I have is remembering whether to capitalize my method names.

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    10. Re:Java killer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Sorry, but no. Any intellectually honest developer has to admit that Visual Studio is miles ahead of almost any other IDE. Don't be another developer who, for religious reasons, claims Eclipse is better because "it has this one very specialized feature than isn't applicable to 95% of the users, but I cite as a reason because it's one of the few things it does that visual studio doesn't". Even then, 99% of the time some Eclipse zealot says VS can't do something, it's because they are what I would call amateur users...right and menu clicking away looking for things.

      Sorry..I have used them both consistently and probably 50/50 for the last 8 years or so, and there is question in any objective developers mind which is better. Move your religious war elsewhere, fanboy....

    11. Re:Java killer by GigaplexNZ · · Score: 1

      I used Visual Studio every day at work. It has a good feature set, but it is notoriously unreliable, and every new release comes with more bugs than fixes. Visual Studio 2013 for example forgets to perform the post-build registration step in 64bit projects, requiring a manual post-build step. It's the year 2015, and the IDE still regularly hangs for seconds at a time when I simply type in the text editor. The debugging engine regularly gets confused, and I have to close all instances of devenv and kill mspdbsrv to get it to respect breakpoints again. I get an average of one day between IDE crashes (even though VS is written in .NET, it still suffers from frequent access violation [0xC0000005] crashes). When 2010 and 2013 are installed side by side, 2010 misbehaves and believes the project needs a full rebuild every time it is run when the project uses IDL files.

      I've used Eclipse, and while I don't like the UI or feature set, it has at least been more stable during the times I've used it.

    12. Re:Java killer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Eclipse is nightmare fuel. I'd much prefer VS over it; but then, I'd rather program in Notepad++ than either, if I could get away with it.

    13. Re:Java killer by phantomfive · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Sorry, but no. Any intellectually honest developer has to admit that Visual Studio is miles ahead of almost any other IDE.

      Any 'intellectually honest developer' will notice you didn't mention a single concrete idea in your post. Furthermore, if you don't buy the resharper plugin, visual studio is missing a lot of stuff Eclipse would give for free. And it must be useful stuff, otherwise people wouldn't buy the resharper plugin.

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    14. Re:Java killer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Okay ... and I've moved to VS 2013 for about a year now, and haven't had any issues.

      Perhaps your installation is corrupt ...

    15. Re:Java killer by linuxrocks123 · · Score: 1

      Translation: I personally like Visual Studio better, probably because I used it first and got used to it, and I am unable to tell the difference between my personal preferences and an objective comparison of the capabilities of different applications.

      I will now respond to the person who replied to me with a cherry-picked example of some random thing of trivial importance that I know how to do in Visual Studio and not in Eclipse.

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    16. Re:Java killer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      c# and vb.net cames from J++

    17. Re:Java killer by dotancohen · · Score: 1

      In the C# world, it's like the great masters on high give us features and we use them. This is an example of that attitude (and it's actually rather poetic, if not sickening).

      Regarding that video, /.ers might recogize the name of the speaker: Jon Skeet.

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    18. Re:Java killer by pagebt · · Score: 2

      This. MIcrosoft was slapped on the wrist for attempting to extend J++ and still call it JAVA. Microsoft went dark for about 2 years and out popped .net

    19. Re:Java killer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seriously, how many times has Maven corrupted your project files? This is actually a problem with Nuget.

      Yes, except it isn't. You made it up.

    20. Re: Java killer by cuby · · Score: 1

      You are a bit of a fanboy yourself. You should have compared Visual Studio with IntelliJ Idea instead of Eclipse. I have the upmost respect for Eclipse, by the way.

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    21. Re:Java killer by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      I will now respond to the person who replied to me with a cherry-picked example of some random thing of trivial importance that I know how to do in Visual Studio and not in Eclipse.

      He couldn't even find a cherry-picked example! I don't think the guy you responded to knows what he's talking about.

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    22. Re:Java killer by blackpaw · · Score: 1

      I've used C# Java and Delphi extensively for years now, I'd say C# the language, bears a lot more similarities to Java than Delphi.

    23. Re:Java killer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uh... I don't doubt that you've had those problems, but I haven't had any of them myself.

      Post-build steps? Nope. Hanging while typing? Nope. Confused debugger? Nope. Crashes? None so far, using VS 2013 or 2015.

      Visual Studio seems like the only major product from Microsoft that actually works the way it should. I've tried other IDEs, and while most are pretty workable, none feel as modern or as capable as Visual Studio.

      Have you tried disabling user error?

    24. Re:Java killer by Ice+Station+Zebra · · Score: 1

      First, when you say shit like "intellectually honest developer" you are committing an Ad Hominem logical fallacy in your argument, therefore making your argument invalid.

      Now, why do I think VS is a hot mess? Stuff like this:

      https://social.msdn.microsoft....

      When the features of your IDE is driven by the bean counters, then it is time to switch.

    25. Re: Java killer by Ice+Station+Zebra · · Score: 1

      I tried IntellJ, it was ok, but I found that I was better off using Eclipse and spending the money on beer.

  4. Apache Cordova by Richard_at_work · · Score: 4, Informative

    All of the CTP and preview releases have been shipping with Apache Cordova and an Android build target using mono for the underlying .Net implementation. Been like this for the past several months, targetting Android has been well known amongst .Net developers following VS2015.

  5. Probably Xamarin by StikyPad · · Score: 1

    That's how they got cross platform for iOS and Android.

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    1. Re:Probably Xamarin by CastrTroy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I think it will be helpful to everybody if they can get .Net code to compile for iOS, Android, Windows, and Linux. It will make cross platform development so much easier. It will probably help out to get more stuff on the Windows App store as well. Just being able to do iOS and Android in the same language will be a huge help to mobile developers. And if it takes minimal effort to also get the app to working on Windows Phone and Windows app store, then I could see a lot of developers switching to doing things this way.

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    2. Re:Probably Xamarin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      I think it will be helpful to everybody if they can get .Net code to compile for iOS, Android, Windows, and Linux. It will make cross platform development so much easier.

      Wouldn't it be easier if people interested in cross-platform development, used one of those truly cross-platform languages which have been available for decades?

    3. Re:Probably Xamarin by AuMatar · · Score: 2

      People who want cross-platform on iOS and Android have had it since day 1. Write your logic in C or C++. Its how cross-platform has been done for decades. Then write a wrapper in whatever language the platform uses for the UI.

      If your complaint is that you want cross-platform Ui code as well- no you really don't. The two platforms are so different that you'll never get an app with a good look and field without writing 2 separate UIs. Unless you want to release an Android like UI for Apple (which will get hatred from users) or an iOS like UI for Android (which will get hatred from users).

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    4. Re:Probably Xamarin by LateArthurDent · · Score: 1

      That's how they got cross platform for iOS and Android.

      Actually, they've been pushing Cordova. Xamarin is an option, but the free starter edition that will work with the Community Edition of visual studio still looks far too limited for seriously development, while the business edition is unreasonably expensive.

      The visual studio 2015 preview includes cordova projects targeting android, though.

    5. Re:Probably Xamarin by LateArthurDent · · Score: 3, Insightful

      People who want cross-platform on iOS and Android have had it since day 1. Write your logic in C or C++. Its how cross-platform has been done for decades. Then write a wrapper in whatever language the platform uses for the UI.

      The problem is that most phone applications are typically 95%+ UI code. If you do that, you're not exactly going to save much time and effort.

    6. Re:Probably Xamarin by firewrought · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Write your logic in C or C++. Its how cross-platform has been done for decades.

      Yep... just like people keep talking about this "car" gizmo when we've had decent horse-and-buggy technology for centuries! I don't understand why anybody would want to cross the country in this proprietary Ford nonsense when--with just a little knowledge of horsemanship, veterinary science, metal-working, carpentry, wilderness survival, food preservation, hunting, and gunsmithing--they could take the slow, dangerous, proven approach!

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    7. Re:Probably Xamarin by Daniel+Hoffmann · · Score: 2

      It is not just a "wrapper for the UI code" there is a shitton of stuff, just for starters there are all the sensors (gyroscope, gps, camera), permission handling, packaging the app, interaction between apps, background services and a lot more stuff that differs from one platform to the next.

      Yes you can share much of your application logic between each platform using C/C++, but:
      1) You need to write it in C/C++
      2) If your app mostly just talks to a server there is not much application logic in the mobile device, so most of your code will not be portable at all.

      There is a reason mostly only games share significant codebases between each platform. Their application logic is already usually written in C++ and they don't often have to deal with the stuff I mentioned before.

    8. Re:Probably Xamarin by Em+Adespoton · · Score: 2

      I think you missed the point. People want cross-platform GUIs, where the compiler/assembler/linker will automatically reshape the UI to fit the target device's HIG. More like saying "we've been using the internal combustion engine for decades in cars and motorcycles. If you want to increase horsepower, improve the fuel injection that's used in both." If someone comes up with an electric engine replacement, that's still not going to make a new car dashboard suddenly make sense on a kawasaki.

      People have been walking using shoes for decades. Neither a horse nor a car helps you walk better; they just enable you to do less of it, in different ways.

    9. Re:Probably Xamarin by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      The reality is, Microsoft will already be entering a crowded space, including:

      Phonegap
      Appcelerator
      Sencha
      QT
      Unity

      If Microsoft wants to compete here, they need more than just a free cross-platform tool. They need to demonstrate that their tool is worth using, more than all the others.

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    10. Re: Probably Xamarin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Car analogy FTW!

    11. Re:Probably Xamarin by Bite+The+Pillow · · Score: 1

      "And because these JavaScript APIs"... does that mean that the idiotic and uninformative anonymous coward with the initial reply was correct?

      If so, these two things do not go together. And I need to nerd rage on social.msdn.microsoft.com instead of here.

      • C#, Visual Basic, F#, C++, Python, Node.js and HTML/JavaScript
      • Build for iOS, Android, Windows devices, Windows Server or Linux
    12. Re:Probably Xamarin by jmac_the_man · · Score: 1

      People who want cross-platform on iOS and Android have had it since day 1. Write your logic in C or C++. Its how cross-platform has been done for decades. Then write a wrapper in whatever language the platform uses for the UI.

      Are we allowed to use someone else's wrapper? Because that's all* Xamarin is.

      *There are more differences between alternate platforms than just the UI. (For example, the sensors you have available are different on iOS and on Android. You also get access to an SD card on Android sometimes.) Xamarin abstracts this stuff too, by the way.

    13. Re:Probably Xamarin by dbIII · · Score: 1

      It's more like coming in and using concrete for a hang glider (has been done) instead of making a passenger airliner out of lightweight metals and carbon reinforced plastic. You get a result from the non-traditional approach but it fails to perform as well as using methods that have long proved their worth.
      So maybe this stuff will measure up later but it's still got a bit of proving itself to do before it's a mainstream option.

    14. Re:Probably Xamarin by Dadoo · · Score: 1

      I think it will be helpful to everybody if they can get .Net code to compile for iOS, Android, Windows, and Linux. It will make cross platform development so much easier.

      Except that it'll only be cross-platform for as long as Microsoft wants it to be. What will happen to non-Microsoft platforms if, say five years from now, they decide to say, "Sorry, we're done supporting other platforms." Will software companies that have been using VS all that time re-write their (possibly entire) code base in another language that's actually cross-platform? Not likely.

      This is just another round of Embrace, Extend, Extinguish.

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  6. Awful post title. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Way to edit guys.

  7. Android Apps Anywhere Chrome Can Run by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Did Yoda create the headline?

  8. Oh, Phoronix by TheGavster · · Score: 0

    I initially thought that the reason What this actually means is not completely certain at this point" was because the product had been announced. Then I saw a big fat "download the free community edition" link, and realized that this was another one of those journalistic failures that Phoronix calls "articles". Seriously, how hard is it to try out the product you're reporting on for 3 seconds to see if the feature that your article is reporting on exists?

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    1. Re:Oh, Phoronix by Nemyst · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Or perhaps it's rather a reading comprehension failure on your part. Visual Studio 2013 has a Community edition, but this is talking about 2015, which isn't out yet.

  9. Cooool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is great news! I wonder which framework will be used when you target linux... will it be Gtk or Qt? Or maybe it is WPF, now that everybody says .NET is open source.

  10. Mod parent up by dcooper_db9 · · Score: 1

    Seriously. Everyone is reading this as Visual Studio can target Android.

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    1. Re:Mod parent up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except that it can.

  11. Re:Delphi "beat 'em to the punch" long ago by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    I don't think I'm alone in saying that the sooner you die, the better off we all will be. Die quickly, die horribly, but most importantly just fucking die.

  12. Since Avengers2 is coming? Quoting ULTRON: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Shutdown code, rejected: My programming http://start64.com/index.php?o... has advanced beyond your commands - BEYOND your weakness..." -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... Quote from https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

    * :)

    "The ONLY way to achieve peace, is thru the elimination of those--> http://linux.slashdot.org/comm... who would perpetuate war. THIS IS MY PROGRAMMING http://start64.com/index.php?o... & soon, I will be unstoppable..." Quote from https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

    APK

    P.S.=> "You are NOTHING to me: 1 by 1, I will destroy you! I will never tire. I will NEVER show mercy. I will NEVER STOP till each & every one of you, are dead..." Quote from https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
      I just let ULTRON do the talking for me... & face facts: You *WISH* you were me... ... apk

  13. Re:Delphi "beat 'em to the punch" long ago by phantomfive · · Score: 2

    Somehow it's hard to take Delphi seriously......

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  14. Re:Delphi "beat 'em to the punch" long ago by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I remember Delphi from the late 90s, as I used it for lower budget projects back when free fortran compilers couldn't do much. Except times have changed it seems, as some of my old numeric benchmarks, recompiled, seem to run at more than twice the speed in C and Fortran (each within 20% of each other). Even python+numpy beats that in a couple cases. YMMV

    But for 90+% of cross-platform work, performance of the language or framework has little impact, and it comes purely down to preference, with a lot of options to choose from, unlike the days when compilers were chosen based on budget.

  15. Re:Delphi "beat 'em to the punch" long ago by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Spam harder, we didn't hear you the first 5 times... loser.

  16. Read the small print by folderol · · Score: 1

    There is always a lock-in there.

  17. I used it then too ('took me away' from...) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    MS' stuff (honestly? Their IDE is TOO complicated/complex imo) - will or do I use it? Of course. On some paid contract you are a real "When in Rome, do as the romans do" & speak in a language they understand - to get paid. Fine, that's what you do. Do I PREFER it? No.

    * Can I pull off some decent stuff (for ANYONE, anywhere?) Yes, using Delphi (it's major platform independent, AND, guess what? SO ARE HOSTS, for better speed, security, reliability, & even anonymity...)

    APK

    P.S.=> I like Delphi - for decades, which is more than I can say for other toolsets for development (& the way I code involved HEAVY refactoring - in other words, engines I can "lift" from one engine bay, to another, on another platform (many times, language independent even - THIS I pride mself on in fact)). That makes EZ ports (I mean it, anyone who codes KNOWS what I mean). This toolset? Hell, let's me take those *ANYWHERE*, to any program (or large project). Anyhow, on that you said - fair enough, but... Talk's cheap: Proof was available from me, ones easily verified - let's see it, I'll check it out (I "do" C/C++/Fortran).. apk

    1. Re: I used it then too ('took me away' from...) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Haven't understand a word!

  18. Re:Delphi "beat 'em to the punch" long ago by Em+Adespoton · · Score: 1

    Somehow it's hard to take Delphi seriously......

    ...I always thought that Oracle should have bought Borland instead of Sun....

  19. Outta DOWNmod points I see... lol! apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Rinse, Lather, & Repeat" -> http://linux.slashdot.org/comm...

    *:)

    APK

    P.S.=> You must not have heard it the 1st time, so... there you are (lmao) - gotta LOVE modern technology, right? An "INSTANT replay", just for TROLLS like you (lol)... apk

  20. Surely you must be joking. by ARos · · Score: 1

    I'm not and stop calling me Shirley. The day I use Visual Studio to code anything for use on Linux is the day MSFT skypes me a video of their holding my parents hostage.

  21. Re:Delphi "beat 'em to the punch" long ago by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Free Trial
    Free, fully functional 30-day trial of Delphi XE7"

    That is not free. That is a 30 day trial. WTF are you on about?

  22. Why "target"? by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

    Can someone tell me why "target" is used in this case? I understand that it means you can develop for that platform, but I'm unfamiliar with the etymology behind the term.

    Is it commonly used in this context? Is "target" a term of art for IDEs?

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    1. Re:Why "target"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      The word "target" in this context refers to the runtime operating environment for which the executable is being built. This is common usage for compilers, which may be able to "target" multiple processors, or variants on architecture.

    2. Re:Why "target"? by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      Thank you.

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  23. "Argue w/ the #'s" & truth... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You know how "the infamous 'they'" say "A picture paints a 1,000 words"? Well - that post http://linux.slashdot.org/comm... makes you "EAT YOUR WORDS" (lol)...

    APK

    P.S.=> Truth & facts? Yes, they're like that - & I'm not bullshitting - I merely offer facts & verifiable evidences to that effect - it's "what I do, how I roll" essentially & it seems to work (Hey, I even offer up a decent massively MULTI-PLATFORM program that its end product data yields a MYRIAD of excellent benefits (hosts) that I wrote in it as "proof thereof", literally even - which is more than anyone I've seen here so far offer, mind you) - it's a great tool, & don't knock it before you TRY it (or become proficient in it rather)... apk

  24. Re:Delphi "beat 'em to the punch" long ago by phantomfive · · Score: 1

    Really? Do they go together well?

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  25. Re:Delphi "beat 'em to the punch" long ago by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    > That is not free. That is a 30 day trial. WTF are you on about?

    Free as in "free beer, but give back the beer when you're done with it"?

  26. They only just noticed? by Gadget_Guy · · Score: 1

    So Phoronix has only just noticed this? This was discussed on Slashdot five months ago.

  27. Zombie Tsunami by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Are we going to have Zombie Tsunami for Windows?

  28. Big test will be the GUI toolkit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I hope they choose to keep the toolchain separate, because visual studio really sucks for C++ development, except for the debugger. However, anything is better than gdb, which frequently crashes, locks up, and struggles to work at all sometimes. Compiling on Windows is just way too slow for practical development. In VC++ with a moderately sized commercial project, the build command takes several minutes just to do a dependency check of all of the targets, just to see what needs to be rebuilt. If you have just changed code across a bunch of targets, you really want to try to track which ones they were, and build them individually, unless you like waiting for half an hour - even on a machine with 128Gb of RAM, and a PCIe SSD, and registry tweaks to try to make filesystem caching behave nicer, it sucks, sucks, sucks. It will probably be somewhat faster if they port it to Linux, where filesystem performance is really much better, but the whole thing just seems terribly slow. The same dependency check with ninja on Linux takes maybe a few seconds, depending if the directory nodes are in filesystem cache or not. Also the VC++ editor has limited refactoring tools, and the code completion and indexing functionality is pretty bad. I don't see it having much success as a Linux IDE.

  29. GNU/Linux sir... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is named GNU/Linux, just to be clear about that.

  30. To Clarify... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    the new IDE can target Linux out of the box.

    So it can create a makefile and generate a tarball from the source code? That's how we expect developers to 'target' linux.

  31. Delphi "beats 'em to the punch" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Delphi XE7 is the fastest way to develop highly connected applications for Windows, OS X, Android, iOS, Gadgets, and Wearables." -> -> http://www.embarcadero.com/pro... & on BOTH 32 + 64-bit fronts...

    * AND, it could do .NET even BEFORE Ms' Visual Studio could oddly enough (not so oddly though on that particular note: Ms hired away BOTH of Delphi's designers in Mr. Anders Heijelsberg (sp?) & Chuck Andrzewski - who took another GREAT THING from Delphi & put it into Visual Studio in Data Containers)

    APK

    P.S.=> Another reason WHY I stuck by it from as far back as 1997, in of all places, a competing trade journal "Visual Basic Programmer's Journal" Sept./Oct. issue entitled "Inside the VB5 Compiler Engine" iirc - PERFORMANCE SUPERIORITY on nearly ALL fronts, Delphi 2.0 vs. MSVB5 + MSVC++ 5.2 in 32-bit:

    STRING SUITE:

    Delphi = .275ms
    MSVC++ = .500ms
    MSVB = 4.091ms

    ---

    MATH SUITE:

    Delphi = 1.523ms
    MSVC++ = 2.890ms
    MSVB = 7.071ms

    ---

    API GRAPHICS METHODS SUITE:

    Delphi = .269ms
    MSVC++ = .293ms
    MSVB = 292

    ---

    TEXTBOX FORM LOADING SUITE:

    MSVC++ = .012ms
    Delphi = .069ms
    MSVB = .072ms

    ---

    ACTIVE X FORM LOADS:

    MSVB = .114ms
    Delphi = .495ms
    MSVC++ = .778ms

    ---

    NATIVE TO LANGUAGE GRAPHICS METHODS SUITE:

    MSVC++ = .293ms
    MSVB = .455ms
    Delphi = .503ms

    ---

    In the 6 tests given, Delphi won the majority (overwhelmingly in fact, in what ALL PROGRAMS DO, math & strings work + graphics strong showing #1, & only 1 "outright loss" (2 second places))...

    I used it to create this recently:

    APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-2 32/64-bit:

    http://start64.com/index.php?o...

    It's 100% free, no strings attached, & The BEST in the security antimalware & antispyware business currently per a very recent test of antivirus/antispyware/antimalware efficacy http://www.av-test.org/en/news... per that VERY recent test's results, also host & RECOMMEND my program for hosts -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl...

    If THAT tells you anything as to what you can produce using Delphi/Object-Pascal!

    ... apk

  32. Learn to read by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Delphi's NOT free.Visual Studio isn't free. My app for hosts = free, moron...

    * See subject: Do yourself a favor, & at the same time, ease the burden on the rest of us also having to explain things to your dumb ass!

    APK

    P.S.=> Trolling is one thing, however, your combining your illiterate idiocy with it IS quite another... apk

  33. I've built enterprise class info. systems w/ it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's as serious as a tool needs to be when it can drive entire large Fortun 500 companies' information systems from shop floor, to office personnel work, right up into managerial reporting - able to interface with ANY DB engine there is also - Plus, it's not limited to any single thing/application (or as you can see, major platform) either...

    * You can even do what C/C++ can, building drivers (both filtering AND hardware interfaced ones).

    APK

    P.S.=> What hard to take serious is listening to people that haven't used a tool attempting to 'cut it down' & I seriously believe you've never used it SINCE you don't seem to be aware of the above, talking out your ass... apk

    1. Re:I've built enterprise class info. systems w/ it by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      Wow, you wrote an actual serious post, not an advertisement.

      --
      "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
  34. Re:Delphi "beat 'em to the punch" long ago by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So that there would be an Oracle at Delphi.

  35. Delphi talks to Oracle easily by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject: I've done it in the past using 0040 as a middleware (oracle) or ADO (ms) as well as ODBC methods for communication (cross-platform to SUN 'starfire' midranges).

    APK

    P.S.=> It's the MOST capable tool I've ever used, professionally OR otherwise, that's also the simplest (& I've been coding professionally since 1994)... apk

  36. Awww, guess what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I can repost ALL DAY! You'll run dry of DOWNmod points though http://linux.slashdot.org/comm...

    * :)

    (Keep blowing your modpoints - I love it!)

    APK

    P.S.=> Unlike most ac's here, I have no 10 post per day limits (like you do on DOWNmod points, registered 'luser' that you are undoubtedly, expending your modpoints & trolling by ac afterwards (fools nobody & is WEAK vs. myself))... apk

  37. Re:Delphi "beat 'em to the punch" long ago by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Appears that no matter what you do you're the loser troll http://linux.slashdot.org/comm...

  38. I've written 100's of them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject, & this proof thereof http://it.slashdot.org/comment... & I've probably doubled it since then (2012 post above).

    * I merely state facts, & truth - with concrete, verifiable, & UNDENIABLE backing evidences from reputable sources... that's all!

    (Telling the truth != advertisement)

    APK

    P.S.=> Especially considering I am NOT 'selling' anything either... apk

  39. There IS help for those like you! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject: There's remedial reading tools like "Hooked on Phonics": Look into it!

    (You evidently need it... lol!)

    APK

    P.S.=> Troll - seriously: Is THAT the "best you can do" here? It ain't much, as the saying goes - then again, perhaps I expect TOO MUCH from "likes of you" (online trolling scum)... apk

  40. Haven't seen those benchmarks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    From a reputable source that you were asked for here http://linux.slashdot.org/comm... either... which, of course, you DON'T have, & never did...

    APK

    P.S.=> Bullshitting trolls, they're ALL THE SAME (full of hot air)... apk

  41. Cordova and Xamarin by blackpaw · · Score: 1

    I'm installing VS 2015 CTP as I type, the cross platform mobile options in the installer are Apache Cordova *and* Xamarin. It shall be interesting to see how it works out in practice.

  42. C++ on Linux by rasharm_ · · Score: 1

    I am always intrigued about how many people actually do any kind of C++ development for Linux. It seems to me that geeky types working on Linux terminals are exactly the kind of people who would derive pleasure from diving into the complexity of C++ language and systems programming. I wonder how they feel about their development experience on Linux as compared to what Visual Studio can afford for Windows.